" Go get a prostate exam"
"NO"
" You realise prostate problems can cause erectile dysfunction?"
"Your finger or mine?"


A list of draft states plans is at https://www.kff.org/report-section/stat ... ate-plans/ - you might need to request access for some of them but the link requests it.Snooz wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:45 pm I don't know the logistics involved since (I think) the vaccine being discussed needs to be kept at sub-zero temps but many people can get regular flu shots at their local pharmacies. It doesn't take much knowledge to jab a small needle into a person's arm.
and as for the last paragraph, that's the pie in the sky category.Vulnerable and Frontline Population as defined by CDC
Healthcare personnel: Acute Care Hospital, EMS, Long-term care, Pharmacy
All other healthcare
Other frontline workers
Long-term care facility residents, People with underlying medical conditions, People 65 years of age and older
People from racial and ethnic minority populations, People from tribal communities, People who are incarcerated/detained, People experiencing homelessness/living in shelters, People attending colleges and universities, People living and working in other congregate settings, People living in rural communities, People with disabilities, People who are uninsured or underinsured.
(copied from the Texas plan)
Sufficiently little time that only 70 hospitals in the UK at the moment are capable of giving the injections, and only on site. I'm sure they'll work out a distribution process but that haven't got one yet.Snooz wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:14 pm Also, how long are the vaccines good for once they're warm enough to inject them?
Here we are - from the same Texas pdf document from the URL provided. I am aghast at the weasel wording which is clearly there to allow a demand for payment.Snooz wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:14 pm They could make mobile vaccine sites, putting special freezers in vans and then going to prearranged locations to give out shots. I doubt they'll be free though and trying to either get people's insurance info or payment would be a pain in the butt. Also, how long are the vaccines good for once they're warm enough to inject them?
So you can't charge for the material, if it came free through a Federal scheme, and you can't check ability to pay for your administration fees.Organization must not sell or seek reimbursement for COVID-19 Vaccine and any adjuvant,
syringes, needles, or other constituent products and ancillary supplies that the federal
government provides without cost to Organization.
Organization must administer COVID-19 Vaccine regardless of the vaccine recipient’s ability to
pay COVID-19 Vaccine administration fees.
I'm slowly gaining an impression that you consider the man an untruthful opportunist whose opinion of his fellow Americans is lower than most.Snooz wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:04 am I heard at one point that Trump wanted the military involved in administering the vaccines so that would cut the cost... I guess. I don't trust the Trump administration to tell me what the weather is (remember Trump's sharpie map?) so I'm taking all of this with a grain of salt.
DITTO!!!!Snooz wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:44 pm Do you remember how much I despised Dubya? I feel warm nostalgia for the old war criminal now, my dislike for Trump has been decades in the making and it's now veered wildly into hatred. I hope only the worst for him in the very near future.
I hope that wasn't too vague.
No sooner booked than cancelledBryn Mawr wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:12 pm I’m very impressed, my wife is booked in for the first of her Covid jabs on Friday - I wasn’t expecting that until next year.
Despite the warnings, the government’s strategy throughout the pandemic has been to slow the spread of the virus and reduce pressure on the NHS, rather than eliminating Covid altogether [...] Nine months later, China and South Korea have recorded three and 12 deaths per million people respectively. By contrast, based on the government data for deaths occurring within 28 days of a positive Covid test, the UK has recorded 970 deaths from Covid per million people.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tion-occur
Anthony Costello is professor of global health and sustainable development at University College London and a former director of maternal and child health at the WHO
I have never had a high regard for the Home Secretary, nor for her recent predecessors.Pippa Crerar
22 Dec
Home Sec Priti Patel tells #r4today: “The Government has consistently this year been ahead of the curve in terms of proactive decisions on coronavirus.”
The stance of the Home Office should not, and never should have been, the pursuit of a Hostile Environment. The Home Office ought to bend itself backward to do everything possible under the law to assist and facilitate everyone on British soil, and they don't do that. The fault lies squarely with their political master. Priti Patel has not moved a muscle beyond claiming "compassion", a claim I find beyond belief.The Home Office’s new commitment to “compassion” is poorly served by a minister who attacks “lefty human rights lawyers” and boasts of “sending the left into meltdown” over her new plans to turn ever more people away.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... 27861cf4d8
beginning in January or February, Americans employed in a range of industries will be eligible for inoculation, provided they are essential front-line workers.
All members of Congress qualify for vaccine priority but disagree on whether this shows leadership by example or special treatment
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... -congress/
I flew in a plane in October. It had around 15% seat occupation and the airports were extremely quiet, one of them closed the week after.cars wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:21 pm People are such damn fools, finally the light is at the end of the tunnel for us all. And yet they continue to ignore the fact that the pandemic is still here running rampant (most are not yet vaccinated, twice) and they are disregarding all Covid-19 protocols, gathering in large crowds, fly in planes, no social distancing, not washing hands and therefore continue to get themselves infected and die!
They are so close, and yet still so far! Sad.
cars wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:21 pm People are such damn fools, finally the light is at the end of the tunnel for us all. And yet they continue to ignore the fact that the pandemic is still here running rampant (most are not yet vaccinated, twice) and they are disregarding all Covid-19 protocols, gathering in large crowds, fly in planes, no social distancing, not washing hands and therefore continue to get themselves infected and die!
They are so close, and yet still so far! Sad.
Anthony Costello, as professor of global health and sustainable development at UCL and member of Sage, said:
It’s great news about the vaccine, but at the moment we are doing 50 thousand vaccines a day, and Matt Hancock [the British health secretary] says we’ll get up to 2 million a week very quickly. If we’re to give 2 doses to 22 million people - that’s the number of people who are over 65, frontline workers, or with underlying conditions - that will take until June. If we’re going to reach herd immunity, it will take until the end of the year. So let’s get this into perspective.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ne-updates
The news in England is that you have our imbecilic Brit-student youth partying on your beaches without a care in the world, the way they did in Spain back around September. I'd apologize if I thought they were in any way related to me. I suggest you swap them for your indefinite-period prisoners on Nauru, that way the drunken idiots can party on without harming society any longer and you'll get some useful citizens in exchange.magentaflame wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:29 pm Well it's seven hours to midnight .......................and the proverbial just hit the fan. Big time. Over the last 10 hours all hell has broken loose and we're back to masks and border closures. But you have to laugh. Because I just saw that idiot of a Prime Minister just do the New Year Address. We're doomed. ...and don't fucking god bless me you lunitic!!! Even a bloody preacher or priest asks permission to step into your home. AAAWWWW......not happy Jan!
That will depend very much on what you measure, I expect. I'd be surprised if either the US or the UK have reached half way so far on the deaths count, for example. Both our watched pots are boiling over at the moment.LarsMac wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:12 am And I confess a certain reluctance to hope 2021 will prove to be much better.
More than 14m vaccine doses had been distributed in the US, but only 2.1 million people have been vaccinated, said leaders of the federal vaccine program, Operation Warp Speed, at a Wednesday news conference.
The chief adviser to Operation Warp Speed, Moncef Slaoui, said: “We know it should be better and we are working hard to make it better.”
Terry Beth Hadler was so eager to get vaccinated that the 69-year-old piano teacher stood in line overnight in a parking lot in Florida with hundreds of other senior citizens.
She waited 14 hours and a brawl nearly erupted before dawn on Tuesday when people cut in line outside the library in Bonita Springs where officials were offering shots on a first-come, first-served basis to those 65 or older.
“I’m afraid that the event was a super-spreader,” she said. “I was petrified.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -americans
I count as Priority #6 for Vaccination. I put my details into the Online Calculator, and my expected Vaccination Date isn't until Sept - Oct.spot wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:35 am
A timely quote from today's Guardian for the UK's situation:
And his contribution last week is well worth reeding in full... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tion-occurAnthony Costello, as professor of global health and sustainable development at UCL and member of Sage, said:
It’s great news about the vaccine, but at the moment we are doing 50 thousand vaccines a day, and Matt Hancock [the British health secretary] says we’ll get up to 2 million a week very quickly. If we’re to give 2 doses to 22 million people - that’s the number of people who are over 65, frontline workers, or with underlying conditions - that will take until June. If we’re going to reach herd immunity, it will take until the end of the year. So let’s get this into perspective.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ne-updates
I had no idea such a page existed.FourPart wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:10 am I count as Priority #6 for Vaccination. I put my details into the Online Calculator, and my expected Vaccination Date isn't until Sept - Oct.
https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-ukBased on your profile, there are between 6,029,525 and 9,926,645 people in front of you in the queue for a COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 1,000,000 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your two doses of vaccine and be fully protected by between 26/03/2021 and 20/05/2021.
I saw somewhere a 10-day or so window between inoculation and protection, it would be surprising if it were much less than that - the immune system has to react to the provocation.LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:03 am I have not even looked to see if such a tool exists in the States.
I am perfectly happy to continue Social Distancing and other such methods 'til the Cows come home.
Not that I will refuse the vax, if it is offered by my doctor's office. I don't see that happening for many months, though.
I worry that people who receive the vax will, almost immediately want to go back to "The way it was"
There is already at least one case of a health worker receiving the vaccine and coming down with COVID a couple of days later.
I suspect that he was already exposed before the shot, but, the media picking up on such newsy bits will fan the flames of the anti-vaxxers.
I'm sorry to hear that. Funeral services here stick to a fixed maximum attendance and have a zoom camera and screen where people can see and take part, I was at one a few months back and it was quite effective.[Aside]
My sister-in-law just passed the other day, from Old Age and COVID. Our niece and her hubby are handling the burial and services. They are of some Baptist faction who does not believe in taking the precautions or in Vaccinations. They are holding services at their church. The Mrs wants to go. We are having quite the discussion. I've seen the church in question. To keep to the guidelines of the State, no more than 10 people at a time could possibly be in the place, yet they expect 100 or more people to attend the services.
Just, No.
That's just the icing on the cake. We have people trying to escape through airports, trying to escape hotels. It's becoming insane again. But.... what's interesting this time around is people are beginning to discuss imprisonment for those who deliberately flout the quarantines. And why not? it should be a type of terrorism under the definition of home grown terrorism. Western Australia did it to a 21 year old .....I think he's still quarantining in under the three month imprisonment that State gave him. lol We've already had the harsh lockdowns and nobody wants to see that back again. I do believe the general populace are beginning to get angry. The turmoil people had to go through to get back over the borders within a very short period of time . If they didn't make it over by midnight the 1st they had to isolate. From now on though you can leave our State whenever you want.....but you can't come back again during the border lockdown period unless you're an essential worker/truck driver. The news have just reported 80m people a day are streaming into Canberra from hotspot areas....???????? Why?????spot wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:23 amThe news in England is that you have our imbecilic Brit-student youth partying on your beaches without a care in the world, the way they did in Spain back around September. I'd apologize if I thought they were in any way related to me. I suggest you swap them for your indefinite-period prisoners on Nauru, that way the drunken idiots can party on without harming society any longer and you'll get some useful citizens in exchange.magentaflame wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:29 pm Well it's seven hours to midnight .......................and the proverbial just hit the fan. Big time. Over the last 10 hours all hell has broken loose and we're back to masks and border closures. But you have to laugh. Because I just saw that idiot of a Prime Minister just do the New Year Address. We're doomed. ...and don't fucking god bless me you lunitic!!! Even a bloody preacher or priest asks permission to step into your home. AAAWWWW......not happy Jan!
How in gods' name does THAT happen?LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:08 pm There's a News bit about a town in Colorado that has been nearly 100% infected, after two National Guardsmen who came to help out with the inoculation program at a nursing home arrived, already infected, and passed it on to the entire town before it was detected.
They must have been welcomed with open armsmagentaflame wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:23 pmHow in gods' name does THAT happen?LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:08 pm There's a News bit about a town in Colorado that has been nearly 100% infected, after two National Guardsmen who came to help out with the inoculation program at a nursing home arrived, already infected, and passed it on to the entire town before it was detected.
It appears to be the new variant that has been in the news, lately.magentaflame wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:23 pmHow in gods' name does THAT happen?LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:08 pm There's a News bit about a town in Colorado that has been nearly 100% infected, after two National Guardsmen who came to help out with the inoculation program at a nursing home arrived, already infected, and passed it on to the entire town before it was detected.
You guys hit a horrible milestone today.LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:32 pmIt appears to be the new variant that has been in the news, lately.magentaflame wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:23 pmHow in gods' name does THAT happen?LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:08 pm There's a News bit about a town in Colorado that has been nearly 100% infected, after two National Guardsmen who came to help out with the inoculation program at a nursing home arrived, already infected, and passed it on to the entire town before it was detected.
They apparently were infected prior to arriving. No mention of how that happened, at least not in the media, so far.
Since we have no contact tracing to speak of - That would be a violation of our inalienable rights, you know.
Well we only have 29 cases in the state at the moment but I've donned the mask again and I'm not going near anyone. Work and home that's it. And I'm going to start using shopping over the internet.magentaflame wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:25 pmYou guys hit a horrible milestone today.LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:32 pmIt appears to be the new variant that has been in the news, lately.magentaflame wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:23 pmHow in gods' name does THAT happen?LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:08 pm There's a News bit about a town in Colorado that has been nearly 100% infected, after two National Guardsmen who came to help out with the inoculation program at a nursing home arrived, already infected, and passed it on to the entire town before it was detected.
They apparently were infected prior to arriving. No mention of how that happened, at least not in the media, so far.
Since we have no contact tracing to speak of - That would be a violation of our inalienable rights, you know.
I have no words.
We had been hoping it was just insanitary revellers rather than quite so big a jump in infectivity but apparently not.The new variant of Covid-19 is "hugely" more transmissible than the virus's previous version, a study has found.
It concludes the new variant increases the Reproduction or R number by between 0.4 and 0.7.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55507012
During January, the government will publish the R number and growth rate estimates on the following dates:
Friday 8 January
Friday 15 January
Friday 22 January
Friday 29 January
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
People like him think of the populace as a nuisance and not people they are supposed to serve. He couldn't give two roots about anyone except himself. American Doctors are expecting an enormous rise in number within the next month, due to the holiday period .spot wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:48 am President Trump appears to have taken his eye off the ball these last few weeks...
From today's Washington Post:
In the past week in the U.S....
New daily reported cases rose 12.6%
New daily reported deaths rose 16.8%
Covid-related hospitalizations rose 5.4% Read more
Among reported tests, the positivity rate was 13.1%.
The number of tests reported fell 14.7% from the previous week.
And, if I red the table right, one American in sixteen has now tested positive.
The variant discovered in England which raises the R value replication rate by another "0.4 to 0.7" is causing most cases in England now, having first been seen here in November. That might suggest it will become the majority variant in America by March. If President-elect Biden is right in claiming he will vaccinate a third of the American population by Wednesday April 14 2021, which is what he recently announced as his intention, then that might start reducing the figures from whatever maximum they hit by then. Personally I don't expect him the reach half that many by then.magentaflame wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:27 amPeople like him think of the populace as a nuisance and not people they are supposed to serve. He couldn't give two roots about anyone except himself. American Doctors are expecting an enormous rise in number within the next month, due to the holiday period .spot wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:48 am President Trump appears to have taken his eye off the ball these last few weeks...
Strange isn't it. We were told it will take up to three years to vaccinate all of us. We have the new strain here also.spot wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:57 amThe variant discovered in England which raises the R value replication rate by another "0.4 to 0.7" is causing most cases in England now, having first been seen here in November. That might suggest it will become the majority variant in America by March. If President-elect Biden is right in claiming he will vaccinate a third of the American population by Wednesday April 14 2021, which is what he recently announced as his intention, then that might start reducing the figures from whatever maximum they hit by then. Personally I don't expect him the reach half that many by then.magentaflame wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:27 amPeople like him think of the populace as a nuisance and not people they are supposed to serve. He couldn't give two roots about anyone except himself. American Doctors are expecting an enormous rise in number within the next month, due to the holiday period .spot wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:48 am President Trump appears to have taken his eye off the ball these last few weeks...
If the Flying Doctor is vaccinating a dozen at each station you can see why it might be a drawn-out campaign.magentaflame wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:42 amStrange isn't it. We were told it will take up to three years to vaccinate all of us. We have the new strain here also.spot wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:57 amThe variant discovered in England which raises the R value replication rate by another "0.4 to 0.7" is causing most cases in England now, having first been seen here in November. That might suggest it will become the majority variant in America by March. If President-elect Biden is right in claiming he will vaccinate a third of the American population by Wednesday April 14 2021, which is what he recently announced as his intention, then that might start reducing the figures from whatever maximum they hit by then. Personally I don't expect him the reach half that many by then.magentaflame wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:27 amPeople like him think of the populace as a nuisance and not people they are supposed to serve. He couldn't give two roots about anyone except himself. American Doctors are expecting an enormous rise in number within the next month, due to the holiday period .spot wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:48 am President Trump appears to have taken his eye off the ball these last few weeks...
So around 120 million people in about 100 days?spot wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:57 amThe variant discovered in England which raises the R value replication rate by another "0.4 to 0.7" is causing most cases in England now, having first been seen here in November. That might suggest it will become the majority variant in America by March. If President-elect Biden is right in claiming he will vaccinate a third of the American population by Wednesday April 14 2021, which is what he recently announced as his intention, then that might start reducing the figures from whatever maximum they hit by then. Personally I don't expect him the reach half that many by then.magentaflame wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:27 amPeople like him think of the populace as a nuisance and not people they are supposed to serve. He couldn't give two roots about anyone except himself. American Doctors are expecting an enormous rise in number within the next month, due to the holiday period .spot wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:48 am President Trump appears to have taken his eye off the ball these last few weeks...
MorseLife has made scarce coronavirus vaccines — provided through a federal program intended for residents and staff of long-term-care facilities — available not just to its residents but to board members and those who made generous donations to the facility, including members of the Palm Beach Country Club, according to multiple people who were offered access, some of whom accepted it. The precise number of invitations, and how many may have also gone to non-donors, could not be learned.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... d-vaccine/