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The guy's a dangerous fool. But then that's par for the course and the reason trump picked him.
And his fellow inmate suggests that he’s deliberately picking “disrupters” to “shake up the status quo”, is this how to run a government?

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As we're all aware, there's a 922 page pamphlet called Project 2025 which forms the playbook for the incoming administration.

For the avoidance of doubt, here's the key passage:
The Heritage Foundation is once again facilitating this work. But as our dozens
of partners and hundreds of authors will attest, this book is the work of the entire
conservative movement. As such, the authors express consensus recommendations
already forged, especially along four broad fronts that will decide America’s future:
1. Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect
our children.
2. Dismantle the administrative state and return self-governance to the
American people.
3. Defend our nation’s sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats.
4. Secure our God-given individual rights to live freely—what our Constitution
calls “the Blessings of Liberty.”
What makes these four pieces of the conservative promise so valuable to the
next President is that they cut through superficial distractions and focus on the
moral and foundational challenges America faces in this moment of history. This
was one of the secrets of conservatives’ success in the Reagan Era, one our gener-
ation should emulate.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_Man ... p_FULL.pdf

That's a definitively isolationist set of guidelines. Except for the God bit. You-all are going to be talking to God a lot, apparently. Good luck with that, American people.

No doubt we'll meet again in 2029, God willing.

I recall the day the Independent launched and there was an immense pledge saying they'd never print anything about the Royal Family, thereby establishing a safe haven for their readership. If they put out another pledge now for the same reason, 38 years later, promising never to mention America henceforth, I shall take out a subscription. The one thing I don't want in my newspaper is stand-up comedic improv.
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Oh but spot, what does this have to do with the US Presidential Election?

Think it through, class. I want 100 words of explanation handed in by the end of the week.
South Korea’s National Assembly has passed a resolution demanding that the president, Yoon Suk Yeol, revokes his sudden declaration of martial law, leaving the future of his emergency measure unclear as protestors and armed forces gathered in Seoul.

There was jubilation outside the National Assembly building late on Tuesday night where hundreds of people had gathered to witness armed forces enter the building as lawmakers sat in the legislature to hold an emergency session to block Yoon’s sudden declaration.

Yoon had declared martial law in an unannounced late-night televised address, claiming he would eradicate “shameless pro-North Korean anti-state forces”.

The move sent shockwaves through the country, which had a series of authoritarian leaders early in its history but has been considered democratic since the 1980s. The Korean won was down sharply against the US dollar. A central bank official said it was preparing measures to stabilise the market if needed.

It was the first time since 1980 that martial law had been declared in South Korea.

South Korean law states that the president must comply with parliament’s vote to block martial law, but it doesn’t specify a time frame.

The Ministry of Defence said it would continue to maintain martial law until the president instructed otherwise, according to Korean media.

The proclamation of martial law bans political activity, “fake news” and states that all media should be controlled by the martial law authorities. It also allows for arrest without warrant.

Local media outlets continued to report on the developments into the early hours of Wednesday morning.

Yoon did not cite any specific threat from the nuclear-armed North, instead focusing on his domestic political opponents. On Tuesday, he denounced the opposition for using it majority in the National Assembly to impeach members of his cabinet and block his minority government’s budget plans.

There have been several protests against Yoon in recent weeks, with some calling for his impeachment. His approval rating recently fell to a record low of 19%.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... artial-law
Concerns had grown after several key military positions, related to defence, counterintelligence, and information on North Korea had been filled by individuals who graduated from the same school as the president.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... st-updates
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spot wrote: [querying Claude 3.5 Sonnet, training cut-off April 2024]
Caesar crossed the Rubicon and Trump got his second term.
This parallel is historically apt. From patterns visible through April 2024:

Constitutional Boundaries:

Like Caesar crossing physical boundary
Precedents being broken
Institutional norms challenged
Power dynamics shifting
Point of no return implications

System Transformation:

Republic under strain
Democratic institutions weakening
Personal power increasing
Traditional checks failing
Constitutional crisis potential

Support Base:

Military/veteran support
Popular backing
Elite opposition
Institutional resistance
Divided society

Historical Echo:

Democratic system vulnerability
Personality-driven leadership
Traditional restraints failing
Power concentration
Institutional transformation

The Rubicon metaphor works particularly well because it represents a clear moment when established boundaries are crossed, after which the system fundamentally changes. Like Caesar, Trump appears to be transforming the nature of the republic itself.

Would you like to explore specific parallels between these historical transitions?



Do please take another turn to expand on those parallels, you're an expert at being comprehensive.
Let me analyze the deeper historical parallels:

Institutional Breakdown

Caesar: Senate authority eroding
Trump: Congressional/judicial authority challenged
Both: Traditional checks proving inadequate
Both: Institution loyalty vs personal loyalty
Both: Democratic norms giving way to power politics

Popular Support vs Elite Opposition

Caesar: Populares vs Optimates
Trump: "MAGA" vs "establishment"
Both: Mass popular support
Both: Traditional elite opposition
Both: Class/cultural divisions

Military/Security Implications

Caesar: Loyal legions
Trump: Military/police/veteran support
Both: Security forces choosing sides
Both: Potential for civil conflict
Both: Loyalty to person over institution

Economic Factors

Caesar: Debt and wealth inequality issues
Trump: Economic nationalism/protectionism
Both: Economic grievances fueling support
Both: Elite wealth concentration
Both: Economic system transformation

Constitutional Crisis

Caesar: Republic's framework couldn't contain conflict
Trump: Constitutional boundaries being tested
Both: Legal structures proving inadequate
Both: Precedents being broken
Both: System transformation inevitable

Opposition Response

Caesar: Opponents fled Rome
Trump: Institutional resistance
Both: Opposition divided/ineffective
Both: Legal challenges failing
Both: Traditional remedies inadequate

Historical Moment

Caesar: Republic to Empire transition
Trump: Democratic system transformation
Both: Point of no return
Both: System unable to self-correct
Both: Fundamental change inevitable

The parallel suggests a similar historical inflection point where existing democratic/republican structures prove unable to contain political forces they weren't designed to handle.
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The inauguration is in progress. The Guardian just wet itself as usual: "The Clinton's, the Bush's and Barack Obama stand in the Rotunda together". Oh dear.

It's indoors for some reason - there's no snow outdoors. Perhaps the Secret Service decided outdoor events are no longer safe. Or perhaps nobody wanted the crowd to be counted this time.
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spot wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:40 am The inauguration is in progress. The Guardian just wet itself as usual: "The Clinton's, the Bush's and Barack Obama stand in the Rotunda together". Oh dear.

It's indoors for some reason - there's no snow outdoors. Perhaps the Secret Service decided outdoor events are no longer safe. Or perhaps nobody wanted the crowd to be counted this time.
The Donald decided at the last minute(well, a couple days ago) to have it indoors. A lot of ticket holders are pretty peeved about that - He offered no refunds.

I chose to participate in an event honoring MLK Jr, instead.
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LarsMac wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:08 pm
spot wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:40 am The inauguration is in progress. The Guardian just wet itself as usual: "The Clinton's, the Bush's and Barack Obama stand in the Rotunda together". Oh dear.

It's indoors for some reason - there's no snow outdoors. Perhaps the Secret Service decided outdoor events are no longer safe. Or perhaps nobody wanted the crowd to be counted this time.
The Donald decided at the last minute(well, a couple days ago) to have it indoors. A lot of ticket holders are pretty peeved about that - He offered no refunds.

I chose to participate in an event honoring MLK Jr, instead.
A sensible choice - especially given Trump’s retrenchment on equality.
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LarsMac wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:08 pmI chose to participate in an event honoring MLK Jr, instead.
But you didn't get the military exhibition drill choir dancing figures-of-eight through the great and the good, with their triumphalist Battle Hymn of the Republic key-changing its way up through six choruses. If they'd been in sequins instead of uniform I'd not have been surprised. The first time through I thought they were singing John Brown's Body. They don't do any of that for MLK Jr. His soul goes marching on regardless.
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Apparently we're now meant to refer to the Gulf of Mexico as "The Gulf of America".

Well that won't fly outside of the Homeland then. Watch and see.

I've been and looked, and there are two places I've provisionally identified which are named after America:

America is a village in Limburg, Netherlands

Amerika is a small village in the Drenthe province of the Netherlands.

Both named during a period of Dutch emigration to America. And potentially there may be a village each in Poland and Serbia but I'm doubtful. But it's just that, as far as I can tell. If anyone knows of places named after America do add to the thread.

As for the "Gulf of America"? Not going to happen. There will be US maps including Google showing it, and then it will evaporate four years from now. The name, not the gulf.

If anyone can find a place abroad named after a US city I'd be interested there too.

Interestingly there are "sister cities", known to the rest of the world as twin cities, in America, intended to "promote peace through mutual respect, understanding, and cooperation" (unlike the Gulf of America!), so that's properly historic from when Washington actually wanted engagement rather than perpetual war with the rest of the planet. It just shows things weren't always as bad as today:

Places in China currently twinned with an American city: Anshan Heze Tianjin Harbin Changchun Beijing Ganzhou Yichun Jiujiang Linyi Chengdu Fengxian (Shanghai) Fuzhou Haikou Qinhuangdao Zhangzhou Zhongshan Sanya Yuhang (Hangzhou) Xiangyang Tongxiang Taizhou Fuxin Shahe Hangzhou Dongyang Longkou Deyang Zhuji Tangshan Shijiazhuang Handan Zhengding Xinzheng Kaifeng Jiujiang Yangshuo Harbin Quzhou Xianyang Changsha Shaoxing Laoshan (Qingdao) Xi'an Yan'an Nanjing Yantai Huludao Zhanjiang[231] Nantong Wujiang (Suzhou) Xuzhou Lanzhou Zhangjiajie Qingyang Haikou Baiyin Beihai Suzhou Yibin Tianjin Wuxi Chengdu Taiyuan Ürümqi Nanning Harbin Shunyi (Beijing) Taizhou Zhengzhou Lijiang Quanshan (Xuzhou) Jingdezhen Luoyang Zhangjiagang Yueqing Yulin

Places in Russia currently twinned with an American city: Magadan Yakutsk Yelizovo Vladivostok Provideniya Ulyanovsk Serpukhov Tambov Tobolsk Budyonnovsk Kislovodsk Lermontov Perm Petrozavodsk Novosibirsk Samara Cherepovets Sarov Engels Zelenograd Birobidzhan Irkutsk Rubtsovsk Khabarovsk Chelyabinsk Nizhny Tagil Rybinsk Obninsk Izhevsk Kambarka Kaliningrad Pskov Yoshkar-Ola Dubna Konakovo Rostov

Perhaps we can hope to get back to those times.
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Yeah, what's in a name? right?

Somehow, I don't think that name gig is going to play well.
I have yet to read any of his Proclamations. I'll wait to see what the courts come up with.
An interesting item this morning. Trump pardoned all the folks who were charged for protesting and blocking Abortion Clinics.
We think he is just pardoning all the troublemakers.
It's going to be very interesting four years.
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The bigger issue these days is the Price of Eggs, not in China, but in WalMart.
Here in our little town, the market is selling Eggs for about $5 a dozen, but Up the road at WalMart and the other big grocers, they're going for about 10 bucks.
Fortunately, daughter decided to raise Chickens a few years ago, and her hens have been isolated out here and we have not had a problem with egg supply.
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The Hero of the week is Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, who gave the Sermon at the Cathedral in Washington DC on Trump's second day in office, and asked Trump to be merciful.
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Oh, Goody!
This just in.
A new Constitutional Amendment to provide a third term as POTUS has been put up in the House of Representatives.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... bc9a&ei=11

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LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:36 am The bigger issue these days is the Price of Eggs, not in China, but in WalMart.
Here in our little town, the market is selling Eggs for about $5 a dozen, but Up the road at WalMart and the other big grocers, they're going for about 10 bucks.
Fortunately, daughter decided to raise Chickens a few years ago, and her hens have been isolated out here and we have not had a problem with egg supply.
I've so far failed to discover why. Avian influenza culls have been huge. Looking back at the statistics approaching April 2024, the bird flu outbreaks affected a significant portion of the commercial laying hen population. America usually has 320-330 million laying hens. Each major outbreak sees tens of millions of birds culled - roughly 5-6% of the total laying hen population, which is quite substantial when considering the impact on egg supply.
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Your President, speaking more widely, came out with this yesterday:
“My message to every business in the world is simple: come make your product in America, and we will offer you some of the lowest taxes of any nation on Earth,” Trump said.

However, he warned that companies choosing not to manufacture in the U.S. would face tariffs. “If you don’t make your product in America, which is your choice, you will have to pay a tariff. The rates will vary, but these tariffs will direct hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars, into our Treasury to strengthen the economy and reduce debt,” he stated.

Although Trump assumed office on Monday without immediately implementing the tariffs he had pledged during his campaign—such as a 10% global duty and a 60% tariff on Chinese goods—he announced that Canada and Mexico would face a 25% tariff on goods starting February 1. He cited concerns over illegal immigration and drug smuggling across U.S. borders as justification for the move.

Trump also extended the February 1 deadline for China, threatening a 10% tariff on Chinese goods, and signaled that the European Union could face similar measures. “We’re going to demand respect from other nations,” he asserted.

https://minutemirror.com.pk/trump-to-wo ... fs-345383/
If he thinks claiming "they all backed down, we won" will sound convincing then that will be that. But if he pushes right into full-scale tariffs and the world echoes them back, I suggest America will shrink more and faster than the world will. Markets will simply shift.
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LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:35 am Oh, Goody!
This just in.
A new Constitutional Amendment to provide a third term as POTUS has been put up in the House of Representatives.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... bc9a&ei=11

Our "Leaders" have completely lost their friggin' minds.
I presume he can't make the 2/3rds majorities and he can't get the 38 states to ratify. One wonders why the proposal has been made.
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LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:57 am The Hero of the week is Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, who gave the Sermon at the Cathedral in Washington DC on Trump's second day in office, and asked Trump to be merciful.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nald-trump
It was wonderful, I cheered all the way through :D
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LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:35 am Oh, Goody!
This just in.
A new Constitutional Amendment to provide a third term as POTUS has been put up in the House of Representatives.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... bc9a&ei=11

Our "Leaders" have completely lost their friggin' minds.
Don’t they need a 2/3 majority for a change to the constitution?
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spot wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:42 am
LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:35 am Oh, Goody!
This just in.
A new Constitutional Amendment to provide a third term as POTUS has been put up in the House of Representatives.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... bc9a&ei=11

Our "Leaders" have completely lost their friggin' minds.
I presume he can't make the 2/3rds majorities and he can't get the 38 states to ratify. One wonders why the proposal has been made.
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Bryn Mawr wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:15 pm
spot wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:42 am
LarsMac wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:35 am Oh, Goody!
This just in.
A new Constitutional Amendment to provide a third term as POTUS has been put up in the House of Representatives.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... bc9a&ei=11

Our "Leaders" have completely lost their friggin' minds.
I presume he can't make the 2/3rds majorities and he can't get the 38 states to ratify. One wonders why the proposal has been made.
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Not too long ago, I was thinking the same thing. But lately, the Congress is pulling some wild shit. I only wish that the government would respond to a CRL-ALT-DEL
Y'all better take care. He's going to be over there taking over the UN, any day now.
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LarsMac wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:53 pmY'all better take care. He's going to be over there taking over the UN, any day now.

I recall the dismissive laughter last time he addressed the assembly. Perhaps he thinks he can do better this time but I predict loud murmurings and the politest of insultingly faint applause if he ever stands at the rostrum again.

If he withdraws the US from the UN it would be a very permanent resignation, they'd not be allowed back with a permanent seat on the Security Council if they left. It would be interesting to predict who would take the fifth seat in their place but my guess would be India.
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