Hard and soft....Brexit

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:25 pm

Does anyone know what the difference is between hard as opposed to soft Brexit ?

Post by **spot** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:40 pm

Soft involves a combination of many of the following, Hard involves few or none:

Tariff-free imports and exports

Right to reside and work without qualification or quota

Research participation in European-funded projects

Cross-border police intelligence and cooperation

Pre-Eurotunnel passport control

Visa-free crossing for citizens between the EU and Britain

Post by **Betty Boop** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:42 pm

Are the rest of Europe going to allow a soft one? :-3

Post by **spot** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:52 pm

The rest of Europe is lining up to hammer Britain senseless.

I'd leave Strong and Stable May in sole personal charge until the day the ink dries on the Brexit signatures and then force another election, I don't see why she should be let off this particular Brexit hook of her own making. She authorized applying Article 50, with any luck she's destroyed right wing government in Britain for the rest of the century. Letting her skulk off early isn't desirable.

A soft Brexit would also abandon getting back exclusive national access to offshore resources including fish out to 200 miles - the exclusive economic zone. A hard Brexit would establish the right, but you can bet the next Westminster government would then barter it off in a deal so it's not likely to ever happen. It's why the fishing ports were full of Leave supporters hoping to get the fish re-labelled British.

Every possible Brexit is going to end all farming subsidies instantly. I'll be very annoyed if any taxation is then passed on to farmers in lieu.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:52 pm

The difference between hard and soft brexit? In soft brexit (ie keeping some of the trade rights we will lose when we leave) a load of machines we build here gets put on a lorry and transported to Italy, crossing two borders and is delivered, subject only to delays required to make sure the driver gets enough breaks to be a safe driver.

In a hard brexit (ie no deals we already have apply) the machines are loaded and spend hours or days at Dover queuing to be checked. Every component of all those machines has to be checked to be sure it complies with EU standards and safety regs. Then it crosses France and repeats the procedure at the Italian border unless we have a deal that means the French pass our details to the Italians so they know we've been checked and let us through.

I'm going to be wrong about some of the detail here, but this illustrates what brexit actually means for trade.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:54 pm

So then......soft is like not leaving .....and hard is our worst nightmare ?

Bit naive to think right wing government has been destroyed until the end of this century.......it has been pruned......it will come back stronger.....trust me.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:13 pm

I expect the far right to be back within a year: Liar Johnson is in that category as far as I'm concerned.

A soft brexit depends on the negotiations. What we definitely lose is any right to say what the regulations we must follow actually are. They could ban right hand drive vehicles from their roads and there's nothing, absolutely nothing, we could do about it. Any sort of brexit means we lose EU support for the status of Gibraltar, for example, and the EU now supports Spain's claim to have it back.

I don't think it likely, but they could create a situation where the price for a good deal is Gibraltar. What would we do then?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:10 am

Soft brexit our economy might survive, hard brexit we are screwwd and the uk will become a once proud pimple on the arse end of euroep.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:20 am

A proud pimple ?..............the mind boggles.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:42 am

Bruv;1510079 wrote: A proud pimple ?..............the mind boggles.

I believe the Scottish term is a pleuch...(though my slang may be out of date by now) So we'd be a pleuch on the arse of Europe.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:25 am

The long knives are out.

May must sack her 2 advisers or else.........good job she is so strong and stable.

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:02 am

Bruv;1510081 wrote: The long knives are out.

May must sack her 2 advisers or else.........good job she is so strong and stable.

It's odd to think that the present Doctor Who is the archetype and model of these Number 10 carrion-eaters, not that I saw the series in which he did it. Malcolm Tucker.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:18 pm

I haven't had the pleasure of either series, but I know what you mean.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:52 pm

Clodhopper;1510080 wrote: I believe the Scottish term is a pleuch...(though my slang may be out of date by now) So we'd be a pleuch on the arse of Europe.

It's actually pluke

Scottish word of the week: Pluke - The Scotsman

Didn't use it as I didn't think any of you would know what I was talking about. Good analogy when tyou consider the festering pus at the heart of our political establishment.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:37 pm

chuckle. Thanks for the update. You can see I didn't spend 4 years at St Andrews in vain...

Post by **spot** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:57 am

Even down here at the tip of Cornwall I've heard the local fine misty rain described as dreuchit. Useful words travel.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:37 am

spot;1510100 wrote: Even down here at the tip of Cornwall I've heard the local fine misty rain described as dreuchit. Useful words travel.

I have used a similar word when it's rained whilst cycling.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:01 pm

spot;1510100 wrote: Even down here at the tip of Cornwall I've heard the local fine misty rain described as dreuchit. Useful words travel.

It's actually dreich methinks you are thinking of drookit which is what you would be were you to stay out too long or were the misty rain to become torrential.

Not so surprising that words should travel many lowland scots words are germanic and scandanavian in origin. Broad scots or lowland scots is actually an anglo saxon dialect a fact which is great fun to wind up the more pretentious wankers on the scots nat scene when you meet them.

Gaelic is a celtic language.

I see theresa may is hanging on by her gingernails still. The woman is delusional

Post by **spot** » Mon May 19, 2025 8:24 am

spot wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:52 pm A soft Brexit would also abandon getting back exclusive national access to offshore resources including fish out to 200 miles - the exclusive economic zone. A hard Brexit would establish the right, but you can bet the next Westminster government would then barter it off in a deal so it's not likely to ever happen. It's why the fishing ports were full of Leave supporters hoping to get the fish re-labelled British.

And, here we are, eight years later. "you can bet the next Westminster government would then barter it off in a deal"? Let me find a cutting...

Boris Johnson wrote:He has sacrificed UK fishing interests, handing over our seas to be plundered again - when under the current Brexit agreement we are on the point of taking back full legal control, next year, of every fish in our waters …

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... op-of-blog

So you have to wonder why access to Cornish and Scottish waters has been handed back to the EU until 2038.

How about because there's no Labour Westminster MP anywhere in Cornwall? Or, effectively, Scotland?

If Labour isn't going to lose an MP by using fishing waters as a payoff for other deals with the EU, can you see a single reason why they'd not throw it on the table as a sweetener?

And as a deliberate affront to all those Leave voters? Come on, it's blatant payback.

Entirely predictable reaction from Britain’s maga media. But makes you think, if they were going to react like this anyway what was the cost to Starmer of going bigger.

ibid.