This will be an extremely difficult topic

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:34 pm

Warning up front: i'm going to discuss the beheadings in iraq. move on if this is disturbing to you - it sure was disturbing to me.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:43 pm

back in May of this year, i did what many people did who have morbid fascination - i went out on the net and found the video of Nicholas Berg being beheaded. Why? I don't know. well - as i said - it's a morbid fascination. Like people look at a car crash. who knows why we do it.

It was extremely disturbing. extremely. the video quality was poor, you could barely even make out any blood, but there was no question of what you were seeing, and it was shocking.

but here's where i may diverge from many people: i believe this video should have been widely distributed. certainly, keeping kids from seeing it would be good (god knows, a high school teacher actually showed it to a class, unbelievably - i don't know if he was fired or just reprimanded, but that was nuts). but i think it's very important that people see the video. it gives you an understanding - to the core - of just how deeply sick and twisted the islamic extremists are. they will stop at nothing. and it has nothing - and everything - to do with 'our' being in iraq. we are infidels, and infidels are not allowed in holy islamic lands. at the same time, we could be living our peaceful lives with no presence in the middle east, and i think 9/11 would still have happened. it is our way of life that they reject, and reject totally, to the level that annihilating us isn't good enough for them. this is religious intolerance at its worst. killing peaceful people in the name of god - can you imagine?

seeing the beheading video made this very, very real. we are far too sheltered by the news - everything is soft-focused, black-barred, or simply not shown, for fear of offending someone. this was something that was offensive, and deserved to be seen because of that!

for more than a month after watching the video, each night as i fell asleep, it replayed in my mind. it is that disturbing. it changed me to some degree.

Serenity · Post by **Serenity** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:34 pm

there was a fake beheading circulating the internet too. wonder if that was the same one.

you know.....i'm with you in the same way that i've a great respect for life.

I think we have to go one step further in this case, because we're not just dealing with an act of violence, so much as the reasons behind that act of violence. Sometimes acts no matter how gruesome, have justification. It may not seem right, but fear takes people to extreme measures.

while the person who was beheaded may be innocent himself to a higher degree then a millitary officer (depending on how you look at it), we've still got to question who's opinion holds validity.

We talk about terrorists in america, but we're terrorists to the fellas on the other side of the fence.

it seems we get mixed up in a argument over who's being the bad guy.

Let's deal with the facts. Our presence in the east is over oil. we don't care about people lives and how their aunt sally is. we simply want the damned oil and all of it, already.

We're a people of different beliefs and values introducing only the familiarity of fear and death to the people of anti-compliance.

I'm yet to see iraqi's controlling the borders of Idaho over potatoe extraction, or farmers being beheaded over fruit in the orange state.

We've got different ideoligies then the islams. Doesn't make anyone more so correct then another. fact is, if you want to try and play "keep-away" on someone else's turf then don't be surprised when the rules aren't the same.

i can't justify what the islams do, but what's to look forward to when you're informed you can give up the only thing other then sand your country posesses...or die of course.

I would imagine that it goes a stage deeper then that too. If you're part of the saudi royals or anyone else that gets a dividend from oil production, you'd be welcoming militia control.....if you're some lesser-being being pushed by your country and some white dudes with hummers playing AC/DC sporting M-16's you're day's have got to be getting increasingly less interesting to the point where a public beheading is a last resort to get people to stop ****in around with your backyard.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:24 am

warsai wrote:

and now that we've gone into Iraq, and killed millions

i think you're off by several orders of magnitude. even the most biased sources state the number as 'possibly ten to thirteen thousand civilian casualties'.

obviously, one is too many.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:23 pm

I don't know what you mean by Irish Freedom? We were not slaves,as the black was in 1800s. And I don't back IRA SINN FEIN. They were certainly were not fighting on my behalf any Irish people I know. They were from Ulster in Northern Ireland,part of the United Kingdom. And long may it stay part of the UK. :wah:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:15 am

homer wrote: Remember: the people of Ireland were evil terrorists 20 years ago.

No they were not, and never have been. There were, and are, terrorists on

both sides of the border, but they are not "the people of Ireland".

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:20 am

Thanks Mate.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:32 am

An Extremist Iraqi group has killed 12 Nepalese hosages and showed grisly pictures of the executions.

The Army of Ansar al- Sunna have said the West will suffer for our brothers. And this is only the beginning. They said in a statement that,they have carried out the sentence of ALLAH. And those who serve the Jews will also be dealt with.

These Extremists have scared away foreign firms,disrupted supplies to US troops and discouraged investment in the ravaged economy.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:31 am

capt_buzzard wrote: Thanks Mate.

S'ok.