Do these peoiple have different ears than me ?

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:47 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: Oh it gets better....

Mr Ringo "ordinary" Starr gets a 53 status but Jon Hiseman of Colliseum only gets an honarary mention and not a top 100 place...huh !

Cozy "average" Powell gets to 41 and Rick Allen (who only has one arm for God sake ) again only gets a mention....huh !

what the hell ooops sorry for the expletive, that is criminal to rate Santana so low, where might Mark Knopfler be?? Geeze crazy fools.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:53 pm

Don't sweat it Arnoldlane, these list things are always stupid, anyway, music is an artform and a means of self-expression, its not a spectator sport so these things mean nothing, well they shouldn't anyway. Though I will add my tupence to the rock pantheon.

Best Guitar Player. Jimi H.

Best Drummer. Jon Bonham

Best Bass. Who cares, (if your a bass player then sorry, but still, who cares? Oh! alright then, the house bass player for Motown, whatshisname)

Best Singer. Roy O, (just his vocal talent now).

Best Band. Beatles.

Best solo. Dylan or Neil Young or Bowie (can't decide, but I'm going to see dylan nxt week!).

Best Album. Dark Side of the Moon or Revolver (again can't decide).

Best Live. U2

Best Songwriter. Lennon&McCartney

Best Music Film. The Last Waltz.

Most rocking band. Led Zepp.

Best Song Ever. "A day in the Life"

Best Female. Kate Bush.

Best Alternative. The Smiths and the Pixies (honours even).

Favorite Moment During a Gig. Watching McCartney in Dublin throw "the" hofner bass to a roadie for the laugh and hearing the crowd gasp in horror in the belief he wouldn't catch it. Though the "Floyd" proving they are still untouchable gods at "Live 8" was pretty good as well.

Worst Live Act. The Cranberries, they are an unbeliveably bad live act compared to their recording success.

Worst thing about rock. These types of lists.

venus · Post by **venus** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:17 pm

two words for you.....

VAN HALEN......

music to rock too, and the guitar solos...... well check em out and l dare you not to be impressed

Also a not knickers l put in the wrong smiley:-5

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Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:37 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: Arnold , please. Arnoldlayne seems a bit formal

You didnt make a bad fist of " the worst thing about rock"

I disagree. Rock is very much a spectator sport for us who can only dream of playing like David Gilmour. Nothing wrong in being a bit anal now and again, its cleansing. Certainly no worse than talking about the weather

I guess I look at it like a musician, though I do add a not hugely sucessful one, though I have had my moments here in Ireland. Well of course it is a spectator sport in effect because people are so passionate about it, whether they play or not, actually probably more so when they are not musicians, but ultimately its meaningless. Actually I saw the Floyd boys last night in channel 4 and as a personal though unpublicised tribute I spent most of today working out "Breathe" and "The Great Gig in the Sky" (not very easy vocal to copy!) on my Telecaster. As Bothwell would say: "I have done my duty, and I thank god for it!"

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:41 pm

BTW, I hope that you havn't had any more quantum mechanical problems with that doppleganger Arnold from the collapsed alternate universe have you? I hope not, but if you do I am contactable at the clinic at all times.

P.S. Van Halen are not that great, too flashy, too many notes in the guitar solos, your much better off with Gilmour, he is a class act.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:01 pm

I couldn't write a list. My favourites change from day to day. But I remember that their was a superb bass player who could actually play riffs on bass. Damn if I can remember his name. It's on the tip of my tongue. Must go and bang my head against a wall. (Goddammed memory always let's me down when I need it.)

Rock is full of superb musicians both known and unknown. "Top" lists are meaningless to me.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:14 pm

Galbally wrote: BTW, I hope that you havn't had any more quantum mechanical problems with that doppleganger Arnold from the collapsed alternate universe have you? I hope not, but if you do I am contactable at the clinic at all times.

P.S. Van Halen are not that great, too flashy, too many notes in the guitar solos, your much better off with Gilmour, he is a class act.

Of all of them, Dave Gilmour was in his element on Live8. Thought he played exceptionally well. It was good to see the concert goers grooving to the music (like lots of little furry animals with picts, hehe).

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:23 pm

Galbally wrote: Don't sweat it Arnoldlane, these list things are always stupid, anyway, music is an artform and a means of self-expression, its not a spectator sport so these things mean nothing, well they shouldn't anyway. Though I will add my tupence to the rock pantheon.

Best Guitar Player. Jimi H.

Best Drummer. Jon Bonham

Best Bass. Who cares, (if your a bass player then sorry, but still, who cares? Oh! alright then, the house bass player for Motown, whatshisname)

Best Singer. Roy O, (just his vocal talent now).

Best Band. Beatles.

Best solo. Dylan or Neil Young or Bowie (can't decide, but I'm going to see dylan nxt week!).

Best Album. Dark Side of the Moon or Revolver (again can't decide).

Best Live. U2

Best Songwriter. Lennon&McCartney

Best Music Film. The Last Waltz.

Most rocking band. Led Zepp.

Best Song Ever. "A day in the Life"

Best Female. Kate Bush.

Best Alternative. The Smiths and the Pixies (honours even).

Favorite Moment During a Gig. Watching McCartney in Dublin throw "the" hofner bass to a roadie for the laugh and hearing the crowd gasp in horror in the belief he wouldn't catch it. Though the "Floyd" proving they are still untouchable gods at "Live 8" was pretty good as well.

Worst Live Act. The Cranberries, they are an unbeliveably bad live act compared to their recording success.

Worst thing about rock. These types of lists.

Side note, Trivia bit.....Dark Side Of the Moon the album was on the top 100 charts for 10 years yep one song or the other but he hung in there for 10 years now that speaks volumes. No wonder those guys never regrouped and came back for the next generations, they did it right the first time.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:29 pm

Galbally wrote: BTW, I hope that you havn't had any more quantum mechanical problems with that doppleganger Arnold from the collapsed alternate universe have you? I hope not, but if you do I am contactable at the clinic at all times.

P.S. Van Halen are not that great, too flashy, too many notes in the guitar solos, your much better off with Gilmour, he is a class act.

ahahaha Van Halen has too much hair ahahahaha Go Bon Jovi hehehehe now there is a voice.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:36 pm

minks wrote: Side note, Trivia bit.....Dark Side Of the Moon the album was on the top 100 charts for 10 years yep one song or the other but he hung in there for 10 years now that speaks volumes. No wonder those guys never regrouped and came back for the next generations, they did it right the first time.

Pink Floyd originally started out as a jazz band. They spent about ten years or so on the underground scene before emerging with Dark Side of the Moon.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:41 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: some early reviews were not that complimentary. Silly twats

Animals.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:12 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: DSOTM has sold approx 35 million copies worldwide and was on the Billboard top 200 for a consecutive 591 weeks (11.4 years). It sold over 400,000 copies in the US last year

It only got to number 2 in the UK believe it or not and some early reviews were not that complimentary. Silly twats

Its always a pleasure when a masterpiece is recognized by the general public, i think the reason that it recieved mixed reviews was that it was at least 15 years (if not more) ahead of its time, it is a remarkable achievement.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:24 pm

Galbally wrote: Its always a pleasure when a masterpiece is recognized by the general public, i think the reason that it recieved mixed reviews was that it was at least 15 years (if not more) ahead of its time, it is a remarkable achievement.

Strange, my favourite is Atom Heart Mother followed by Meddle.

sherry · Post by **sherry** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:58 pm

Galbally wrote: Don't sweat it Arnoldlane, these list things are always stupid, anyway, music is an artform and a means of self-expression, its not a spectator sport so these things mean nothing, well they shouldn't anyway. Though I will add my tupence to the rock pantheon.

Best Guitar Player. Jimi H.

Best Drummer. Jon Bonham

Best Bass. Who cares, (if your a bass player then sorry, but still, who cares? Oh! alright then, the house bass player for Motown, whatshisname)Best Singer. Roy O, (just his vocal talent now).

Best Band. Beatles.

Best solo. Dylan or Neil Young or Bowie (can't decide, but I'm going to see dylan nxt week!).

Best Album. Dark Side of the Moon or Revolver (again can't decide).

Best Live. U2

Best Songwriter. Lennon&McCartney

Best Music Film. The Last Waltz.

Most rocking band. Led Zepp.

Best Song Ever. "A day in the Life"

Best Female. Kate Bush.

Best Alternative. The Smiths and the Pixies (honours even).

Favorite Moment During a Gig. Watching McCartney in Dublin throw "the" hofner bass to a roadie for the laugh and hearing the crowd gasp in horror in the belief he wouldn't catch it. Though the "Floyd" proving they are still untouchable gods at "Live 8" was pretty good as well.

Worst Live Act. The Cranberries, they are an unbeliveably bad live act compared to their recording success.

Worst thing about rock. These types of lists.
What are you talking about man? It's drummers who get the **** taken out of them!:sneaky:

And I think the best bass player is probably Flea or The ox

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:08 pm

sherry wrote: What are you talking about man? It's drummers who get the **** taken out of them!:sneaky:

And I think the best bass player is probably Flea or The ox

Yes, yes, but in reality good drummers who can actually play properly, own a drum kit, and have their own car are a very rare commodity. Bass players are a dime a dozen, though good ones are much less common. This is of course also true for Guitar players (even more so) but I am biased, so thats that. Though I did play bass in previous lives and it was fun to do, so its not all bad.

sherry · Post by **sherry** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:14 pm

Really? Funny because it's always bass players we need. Can't find any for love nor money.

sherry · Post by **sherry** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:18 pm

I saw him about 10 years ago and he was crap.

I saw him 2 years ago and he was a god.:-6

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:23 pm

sherry wrote: Really? Funny because it's always bass players we need. Can't find any for love nor money.

I'm guessing thats because none of you could be bothered playing bass, now why is that?

sherry · Post by **sherry** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:24 pm

Because we're all kind of busy doing other things. *lol*

sherry · Post by **sherry** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:25 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Laid back is his motto... I saw him in concert a million years ago, and the only body part he moved were his fingers.
I really wanted to go and see cream when the reformed earlier this year. That would have been really good.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:25 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Since I can't be arsed to read this entire thread, has anyone mention Eric Clapton?

He may have come up in polite conversation. Its funny with Clapton isn't it, sometimes he's very uncool, then he's a god again. I think he's always been good though, well except when he's crap.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:26 pm

sherry wrote: Because we're all kind of busy doing other things. *lol*

Tell that to the god of rock at judgement day sherry, I'm sure he'll understand!:rolleyes:

sherry · Post by **sherry** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:28 pm

Galbally wrote: He may have come up in polite conversation. Its funny with Clapton isn't it, sometimes he's very uncool, then he's a god again. I think he's always been good though, well except when he's crap.
I think he was having a bad time when I saw him. He couldn't play at all. So many bum notes it was terrible.

Last time I saw him though he was really good, technically as well as vocally.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:28 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: I have a rather stilted attitude about this thread... I love spanish guitar. Its all about acoustic, baby.

It surely is, till somebody feels the need to rock that is.

sherry · Post by **sherry** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:29 pm

Galbally wrote: Tell that to the god of rock at judgement day sherry, I'm sure he'll understand!:rolleyes:
*lol* I think I'll be alright, there's only so many jobs one can do in a band you know.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:30 pm

sherry wrote: I think he was having a bad time when I saw him. He couldn't play at all. So many bum notes it was terrible.

Last time I saw him though he was really good, technically as well as vocally.

Never seen him live, actually to pick up on something snooze said the best guitar player I've ever seen is this spanish bloke, a flamenco player, off the frickin planet he was, makes rock guys look like amateurs.

sherry · Post by **sherry** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:32 pm

Galbally wrote: Never seen him live, actually to pick up on something snooze said the best guitar player I've ever seen is this spanish bloke, a flamenco player, off the frickin planet he was, makes rock guys look like amateurs.
I agree, I saw a busker on the streets in barcalona and he was fantastic. My other half was spellbound.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:41 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Thank christ I don't have sticky traps in my apartment (reference to another post, but lets just say ew!)

This is an intriuging, though perhaps disturbing, sidetrack! :-2

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:50 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: Check out the gross thread

That's a big commitment arnold, I would prefer to maintain my sexy illusions about snooze's domestic habits.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:57 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: LOL! It was a work reference, you twit!

I was only going on yere posts, so I jumped to some strange conclusions. Therefore, yes, I am an idiot.

ComfortablyNumb · Post by **ComfortablyNumb** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:07 am

Galbally wrote: BTW, I hope that you havn't had any more quantum mechanical problems with that doppleganger Arnold from the collapsed alternate universe have you? I hope not, but if you do I am contactable at the clinic at all times.

P.S. Van Halen are not that great, too flashy, too many notes in the guitar solos, your much better off with Gilmour, he is a class act.

Dave's okay (can't admit to liking him as I know him!). Serious ommissions:

Rory Gallagher

Michael Schenker

Dave Navarro

.. and putting Satriani so low.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:39 am

Anyway. There is a musician who I'd like to make mention of. She's probably not known outside the musicians circle. Her name is Carol Kaye from the U.S. Carol Kaye started of as a guitar player, and if you listen to these records again..... La Bamba - Ritchie Valens, ... Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys, ...What A Wonderful World, Summertime - Sam Cooke, that is her playing the guitar.

River Deep, Mountain High - Tina Turner

Get Ready, Ã¢â‚¬¦.I Second That Emotion - Temptations

Light My Fire - The Doors

Doo Ron Ron - Crystals

Bang Bang, Ã¢â‚¬¦Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves Ã¢â‚¬¦- Cher

A Little Less Conversation, Ã¢â‚¬¦.Suspicious MindsÃ¢â‚¬¦. - Elvis Presley

Sugar Town, Ã¢â‚¬¦You Only Live Twice theme,Ã¢â‚¬¦.. - Nancy Sinatra

I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie wonder

Shaft Theme - movie MGM

Someday We'll Be together Again, Ã¢â‚¬¦.Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross

Ain't Nothin' But The Real Thing - Marvin Gaye & Tami Terrell

I'm A Believer, Ã¢â‚¬¦Last Train To Clarksville Ã¢â‚¬¦& others - Monkees

Homeward Bound, Ã¢â‚¬¦.I Am A Rock, Ã¢â‚¬¦Scarborough Fair Ã¢â‚¬¦- Simon & Garfunkle

Supremes

Love Child,Ã¢â‚¬¦ Baby Love, Ã¢â‚¬¦Stop In The Name Of Love, Ã¢â‚¬¦Back In My Arms Again, You Can't Hurry Love, Ã¢â‚¬¦My World Is Empty Without You, Ã¢â‚¬¦Reflections, Ã¢â‚¬¦Love Is Here And Now You're Gone, Ã¢â‚¬¦You're All I Need To Get By .

Too Many other hit recording artists to name, so here is another heavily edited list of just a few :

[CENTER]"The Fender bass player Carol Kaye.....could do anything and leave the men in the dust." - Quincy Jones in his book "Q - The Autobiography of Quincy Jones" 2001

"Carol taught me more about the bass than is decent."

- Sting

I will say in my defence that I did say thay the best bass player in my opinion was the house player from Motown, so I was fairly much in agreement with you, though I got her sex wrong as I'd forgotten who she actually was (the problem with being a session musician I guess), but anyway that was my point about these lists as they only really reflect who's currently most popular, not who is technically the best, and anyway thats kind of a subjective thing isn't it. There are so many aoustanding performers, muscians, singers, producers, arrangers, writes in all musical fields that its impossible to really be definitive on any of this. Anayway, let the debate continue.