Allied troops should say they are sorry.

Der Wulf · Post by **Der Wulf** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:30 am

While we are on the subject of Abu Ghraib, I need to point out that the abuse had nothing to do with interrogation. It was simply the disgusting attempt by some antisocial misfits to entertain themselves and others of their ilk. These are the type that give themselves giggles by torturing kittens and puppy's.

These freaks don't qualify as humans, much less soldiers.

If the choice were mine, they would be given to the Iraq'i Govt. for justice under their laws.

Post by **kensloft** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:39 am

Well if I were to believe that Americans weren't as bad as the rest of the world then I would agree with you, but you and I know that that is pure bs.

Towel heads? It's the towel heads with the red and white squares that are scarey.

If you don't believe that there are any bad Americans then you and I are on different planets.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:46 am

kensloft wrote: Well if I were to believe that Americans weren't as bad as the rest of the world then I would agree with you, but you and I know that that is pure bs.

Towel heads? It's the towel heads with the red and white squares that are scarey.

If you don't believe that there are any bad Americans then you and I are on different planets. Daughters of Islam in America

Post by **kensloft** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:56 am

They certainly want to be ascribed to being as American as American pie, but they aren't. They may be able to get Americans to adhere to what they think they are, but, reality dictates that they aren't.

Just because they have an American pleading their cause doesn't mean that it is an American cause!

Thanks for the query!

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:30 pm

Why are you here? Are there any "other" subjects you can discuss? Are you a Male or a Female, what does Abdullah mean? Do you know what a Cheeseburger is? What brings you here to the FG? I don't understand, clarify....

Post by **kensloft** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:49 pm

Canadian. Beer. Chick? Beer? What the f_ck, beer.

Spell smack.

Long live beer.

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:59 pm

Sounds like you're on BEER right NOW! Never post during a drinking binge? SAy, you are sorry, or you could be banned for drinking and typing..Do you know what a cheeseburger is?

Wednesday's Child · Post by **Wednesday's Child** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:08 pm

Right Abdulla

I'll hop up to San Francisco where my nephew has half his left side blown away and ask him to apologize to you....k?

I mean what was he thinking actually going to Iraq when his orders came through?

I already have my world in perspective.... my family serve....when they are called.

Expletives galore to you and yours...Ab!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:33 pm

Well, Abdullah...guess there's your answer.

I'm with Paula: Do you have anything to contribute besides the propoganda you have been spoon-fed for so long? Cause guess what?? WE AIN'T BUYIN'!!!

If you have something worthwhile to add to another topic, by all means, copy & paste away!!! But don't for one second think you can come in here and upchuck this utter nonsense and flat-out CRAP and expect anyone with an IQ above 40 to be sucked in.

"Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage....

this big dog will fight when you rattle his cage....

And you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A......

Cause we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way!"

Thank you very much, Toby Keith!!! I believe that about sums it up. :yh_flag

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:16 am

Der Wulf wrote: While we are on the subject of Abu Ghraib, I need to point out that the abuse had nothing to do with interrogation. It was simply the disgusting attempt by some antisocial misfits to entertain themselves and others of their ilk. These are the type that give themselves giggles by torturing kittens and puppy's.

These freaks don't qualify as humans, much less soldiers.

What action is taken against them in the 'States? This a.m. in the Telegraph, I see this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... altop.html

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:43 am

That's nothing new Sir Bill. Didn't they do the same thing in Northern Ireland. And not one was ever charged with this torture ect. www.birw.org

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:30 am

capt_buzzard wrote: That's nothing new Sir Bill. Didn't they do the same thing in Northern Ireland. And not one was ever charged with this torture ect.

Wow, that was a good change of target. Are you a terrorist apologist?

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:31 am

As you are a Brit :wah:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:32 am

capt_buzzard wrote: As you are a Brit

You will have to explain that.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:39 am

Bill Sikes wrote: You will have to explain that. stiff upper lip eh Bill

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:46 am

capt_buzzard wrote: stiff upper lip eh Bill

What are you on about?

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:50 am

:wah: Bill Sikes wrote: What are you on about? :wah:

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:50 am

BabyRider wrote: Well, Abdullah...guess there's your answer.

I'm with Paula: Do you have anything to contribute besides the propoganda you have been spoon-fed for so long? Cause guess what?? WE AIN'T BUYIN'!!!

If you have something worthwhile to add to another topic, by all means, copy & paste away!!! But don't for one second think you can come in here and upchuck this utter nonsense and flat-out CRAP and expect anyone with an IQ above 40 to be sucked in.

"Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage....

this big dog will fight when you rattle his cage....

And you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A......

Cause we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way!"

Thank you very much, Toby Keith!!! I believe that about sums it up. :yh_flag

I think it is a Male, a delicate one....tah, tah...is upchuck=hurl?

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:18 pm

Dear Paula,

Even I like to get a rise from Abdullah. Three major sins in one fell swoop. Not sins to me, but, definitely, sins to his point of view. I hope that he starts to drink because it'll probably straighten his attitudes out.

The same is true with his attitudes about women. They are not, contrary to popular belief, baby factories.

The bane of smack issues from the mideast and Afghanistan. The horrors of this addiction are plentiful and is used as a weapon against Western culture. He should realize that this is yet another nail in the coffin of the Al Quaeda. Unfortunately, for his ilk, we do not kill the addicts but try our best to help them out of the rut that they are put into by this menace.

Cheeseburgers? Love 'em but don't eat them that often.

Kensloft

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:21 pm

kensloft wrote: Dear Paula,

Even I like to get a rise from Abdullah. Three major sins in one fell swoop. Not sins to me, but, definitely, sins to his point of view. I hope that he starts to drink because it'll probably straighten his attitudes out.

The same is true with his attitudes about women. They are not, contrary to popular belief, baby factories.

The bane of smack issues from the mideast and Afghanistan. The horrors of this addiction are plentiful and is used as a weapon against Western culture. He should realize that this is yet another nail in the coffin of the Al Quaeda. Unfortunately, for his ilk, we do not kill the addicts but try our best to help them out of the rut that they are put into by this menace.

Cheeseburgers? Love 'em but don't eat them that often.

Kensloft

McDonalds and other Burger Joints to offer free gym classes :wah:

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:41 pm

I learned years ago that proper diet meant a healthier life. Moderation is a key to being able to eat the diverse diet that is North American. Every few years I might go into a burger joint such as McD's or Harvey's.

For all intents and purposes I am still the same size, now, that I was when I was a teenager. Found that the heavy fat content would make me balloon. Cut out the fat and the weight disappeared.

Got into vegetarianism for years but, as Ben Franklin discovered when seeing the cycle of fish eating fish, realized that meat was OK, in moderation.

A lot of my contemporaries are ballooning and they can't figure out why? They thought that I was wierd but now they are getting the message.

Could be that Abdullah is suffering from dietary problems?

Der Wulf · Post by **Der Wulf** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:50 pm

Memo to Donald Rumsfeld;

Subject: New Weapons system

Deploy the McDonalds cholesterol bomb [serve cheeseburgers and french fries to enemy]

:sneaky:

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:58 pm

I never eat junk food. Never been in a burger join either. :-5

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:10 pm

What a scary thought. Let's tell them about trans fats. They won't believe us and we'll just shrug our shoulders at yet another rebuke for telling the truth. But that sentiment is aimed at those that are not wise enough to realize that we are their friendly brothers and sisters. 15 centuries of blindered living doesn't disappear overnight.

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:15 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: I never eat junk food. Never been in a burger join either. :-5

Wish I could say the same but I can't.

Der Wulf · Post by **Der Wulf** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:48 am

capt_buzzard wrote: I never eat junk food. Never been in a burger join either. :-5
And more's the pity, maybe we can send you a care package.

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:05 am

Der Wulf wrote: And more's the pity, maybe we can send you a care package.

The problem would be that if we sent it by snail mail, it would probably be as fresh, when he got it, as when it came off the grill?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:38 am

Der Wulf wrote: And more's the pity, maybe we can send you a care package.

Erm... That reads as if.... oh well!

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:34 pm

Seems to be a little off topic but we do need humour.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:52 pm

posted by kenloft

Seems to be a little off topic but we do need humour.

Het you can spell. I always thought canadians spelt the same funny way americans do.

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:34 pm

gmc, do you wear a skirt? I thought scottish and english males wore skirts...is that true at all? I have seen that somewhere? The skirt was woolen?

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:37 pm

gmc wrote: Het you can spell. I always thought canadians spelt the same funny way americans do.

One of the joys of being a Canadian is that you get the best of both worlds when it comes to spelling. For the most part, Canadians are taught to write in the British form that has that hated extra "u". American if you want to but... ?

:-4 It let's us both know that we are different, but we are enough the same that we can get along even with these little spelling quirks. Gives us something to talk about when we've solved the problems of the world and there's nothing else to talk about.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:39 pm

Big McDonald's are offering Free Gym classes :wah:

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:43 pm

First you get a snack?

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:54 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: Big McDonald's are offering Free Gym classes :wah:

Don't trust 'em. They'll raise their prices without you knowing it and you'll be paying for the "Free Gym". They aren't that dumb that's why they're in business.

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:58 pm

Paula wrote: First you get a snack?

Elucidation, please?

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:14 pm

kensloft wrote: Don't trust 'em. They'll raise their prices without you knowing it and you'll be paying for the "Free Gym". They aren't that dumb that's why they're in business.

Aren't they all :wah:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:24 pm

posted by paula

gmc, do you wear a skirt? I thought scottish and english males wore skirts...is that true at all? I have seen that somewhere? The skirt was woolen?

Nope as a lowland scot I don't and never actually have. It's a kilt not a dress which, as I am sure you know is a female item of clothing. Apart from that the kilt you see nowadays was designed by an englishman, and the tartans were a victorian invention designed for the tourist industry. The real traditional dress was a single plaid wrapped round the body and yes it was wool which is warm even when wet. What you saw in Braveheart is actually more accurate than so called highland dress.

If you are in scotland and see a scot wearing a kilt he is either, in the military, in a pipe band, at a wedding, going to an international football or rugby match, an english settler or an american tourist.

So far as I know the only englishmen that wear skirts do so for recreational purposes, as you would expect

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:32 pm

gmc wrote: Nope as a lowland scot I don't and never actually have. It's a kilt not a dress which, as I am sure you know is a female item of clothing. Apart from that the kilt you see nowadays was designed by an englishman, and the tartans were a victorian invention designed for the tourist industry. The real traditional dress was a single plaid wrapped round the body and yes it was wool which is warm even when wet. What you saw in Braveheart is actually more accurate than so called highland dress.

If you are in scotland and see a scot wearing a kilt he is either, in the military, in a pipe band, at a wedding, going to an international football or rugby match, an english settler or an american tourist.

So far as I know the only englishmen that wear skirts do so for recreational purposes, as you would expect

Let the wind blow high, and the wind blow low......donald where's your trousers. :wah:

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:36 pm

gmc wrote: So far as I know the only englishmen that wear skirts do so for recreational purposes, as you would expect

Ooer... that was a bit below the sporran :wah: :wah:

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:06 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: Aren't they all :wah:

Ya, but they still aren't healthy eating.

Post by **kensloft** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:46 am

Abdullah wrote: copy&paste :-6

"Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains."

: Jean-Jacques

Rousseau - (1712-1778) Political philosopher, educationist and essayist

-Source: The Social Contract

"Liberty is rendered even more precious by the recollection of

servitude."

: Marcus Tullius Cicero - (106-43 B.C.) Roman Statesman, Philosopher

and Orator

"No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails,

And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to

please."

: Hiram Mann

Well done Abdullah. Now, if you get to realize that this is what we are talking about, when it comes to being lacking in Iraq, then we are getting somewhere.

The quote by Hiram Mann is significant. It shows how the conquerors treat their new found slaves. This is an illustration of what has been going on in Iraq under the rule of the Baathists since they came to power. The noose and prisons were replaced by death by whatever means were expedient.

The death and lack of freedom are a compelling tale for what happens when there is no Democracy. Freedom is not granted but fought for because those that want to rule require that you lay down and do as they say. Saddam is only one in a long line of despots that have been described by history.

The Allies do not want to have to watch, helplessly, while people are murdered, tortured, raped, gassed and maimed. No free people wants to see this happening to anybody.

Saddam thumbed his nose once too often at the free people of the world and now he is paying for his murderous ways. Those that were under him are the insurgents and their greatest fear is that they will be treated by those they imprisoned in the same manner. It shows their guilt ,of having relied on their criminal actions, coming back to haunt them.

The Allies want to leave but they can't leave as long as the people of Iraq are threatened and unable to defend themselves against the onslaught of the murderers posing as freedom fighters. No one wants to see Iraq sink back into the slavery that was imposed upon them by the Husseinites.

Hope you are in the process of seeing things for how they are and not what others tell you they are. The mark of free people is being able to see and act for themselves.

lynny · Post by **lynny** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:04 am

exactly, saying your sorry for freeing these people from saddam & his murdering , raping all the harm he has done , he's killed about 1 million Muslims , filled mass grave after mass grave with bodies, not all of them adults! And we should say sorry for helping these people?

You liberals never give up do you? When you go to bed at night try to imagine "living" in a country run by the likes of saddam , try to picture having your child taken from you at someone else's say so to have Lord only knows what happen to him or her . Eventually these people will have their own country back in their own hands until then they need our help , call it what you want but I doubt that you would ever jump at the chance to live under saddam's rule!

Post by **kensloft** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:25 am

lynny wrote: exactly, saying your sorry for freeing these people from saddam & his murdering , raping all the harm he has done , he's killed about 1 million Muslims , filled mass grave after mass grave with bodies, not all of them adults! And we should say sorry for helping these people?

You liberals never give up do you? When you go to bed at night try to imagine "living" in a country run by the likes of saddam , try to picture having your child taken from you at someone else's say so to have Lord only knows what happen to him or her . Eventually these people will have their own country back in their own hands until then they need our help , call it what you want but I doubt that you would ever jump at the chance to live under saddam's rule!

Gee Lynny. Did you read the entire thread or did you just let this thread know that you think they are all a bunch of idiots? I hope you are just venting your beliefs because you saw the title and decided to give us what for.

Every day we hear about the American fighting forces being killed and our hearts sink. Every day we realize that they are there giving these people a hand up so that they can stand on their own feet and live as free people.

I would appreciate it greatly if you would tell me if you read the start of this thread?

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:43 pm

I am always troubled when people seek out and define the world's situation as being the direct result of American aggression, interference or uncontrolable rape of the resources of different regions of the world.

From my perspective I see how, since its inception, the US has been a free trader. Most, if not all, the wars that they have been involved in are as a result of other countries not being able to settle their regional differences.

If America had gone into the world, since its inception, with the intent of removing despots and tyrranical regimes then they would not be seen as Democracy but as a hegemonistic entity that was trying to build the world in their image. They didn't do that. They were after the resources with which they could build and develop the American Dream.

They would hold their noses and have to negotiate with people that, were they in America, would be in jail for the despicable atrocities that they had perpetrated against their fellow man. But America couldn't because they were only seeking resources to make work and a better world for their countrymen.

It was these people in these regions that fought amonst themselves for the resources and the riches that they would bring into their coffers to be spent as they saw fit that created the wars. If their fellow countrymen starved while digging out these resources then it did not matter as long as they had their golden toilet bowls to relieve themselves in. If their stupid countrymen died and killed themselves trying to become the ones that would conquer the owners of the coveted bowls then there was no reason to feel guilty at killing those that would dare to usurp their thrones.

To suggest that America is the reason that there is war in the Middle East, because of its policies, is to betray the concept and meaning of Democracy and Democratic will. The Middle East had been a fomenting cauldron long before men knew there was a Middle East or that the world was round. Right was never might to men that saw might as right. It didn't in days of yore nor the days of these modern times.

Asking the kind hearted to Americans to help them because they are truer believers in Democracy than their foes became only too apparent when Americans gave their lives for their belief, that every man should be able to walk free of chains that despots would place upon them, in Viet Nam. The graves of tens of thousands painted the soil with the blood of their being because they trusted that their leaders would never lead them or the principles for which they fought, astray.

The leaders did not lead them astray because they (the leaders) were too full of themselves to realize that it was they who were being led astray by those that they had, in years gone bye, held their noses doing business with and while they, with noses held, had delivered the cheques and goods of commerce the wanton death of warfare carried on its march. When it was over the world blamed America for these things that happened.

Now America and the free world have been attacked by their one time allies who still held their beliefs that it was they that should control the resources of the region and sought to control the halls of the golden bowls. They would rid the world of golden bowls. They would create a world of golden beds instead. They have made their beds and now they must lie in them.

Like bettors at a dogfight the world contingent jumps around placing their

bets on whom is right in their, how the fight is going to turn out, synopsis.

Egging both dogs on they ply their savvy to the suddenness of the change that is fighting. Encouraging both, laughing at the death that is not theirs to own.

They lie, use subterfuge, demean and all the the other tricks that you could expect out of people who are not in the pit knowing and feeling the pain that is battle. It is not their pain.

It is easy to point fingers at scenarios when you are on the outside but the Iraqis are a young nurturing society that, like children, must be taught and followed about by the parent, keeping them safe so that they can grow up in liberty and know that the meaning of being a free man is not just meaningless words mouthed by some insolent, avaricious demagogue.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:51 pm

Al-QA'IDA vowed last night to pursue ''holy war'' in Iraq and the West after failing to wreck the election in which millions of people flocked to the polls.Sounds to me like SINN FEIN IRA here. Do it our way or be bombed.

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:18 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: Al-QA'IDA vowed last night to pursue ''holy war'' in Iraq and the West after failing to wreck the election in which millions of people flocked to the polls.Sounds to me like SINN FEIN IRA here. Do it our way or be bombed.

I don't think that anyone should believe that it is over. It is not by a longshot. We are talking about men that are insane with having lost their positions of power, prestige, money and all the other perqs that their insolent and vicious upbringing gave them as what they thought to be their birthright.

We are talking about men that believe that their women are their chattels. To be abused and murdered if they don't toe their line. Baby factories that can't plan their children but must have them as they are given or come.

If you want a parallel with the IRA? I would say that it was the brave Iraqi people that went into the fury of war being lesser armed and motivated by the fact that they were right and the heavily armed insurgents are the equivalent of the British troops.

When the Iraqi people realize that they are working for each other's right to a decent, safe life then the insurgents will either sue for peace or die like those that they have murdered... through bullets and bombs.

As long as these murderers are allowed by citizens of their ilk, that abuse their fellow countrymen's trust in the noble thoughts of not killing ordinary citizens, then they will continue to fester the poison that they are promising to spread across Iraq and the Western world.

Personally, I think that the Iraqis will be able to take matters into their own hands and solve the problem themselves, but that will take time, which the killers want to exploit because they see their end is near. They have nothing to lose but the poverty that they foisted on their fellows citizens coming home to roost