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Yikes...



Well you are right, by 4 she knows better than to go to the bathroom in her bed... peeing in your sleep is different than what she did on purpose.



She is also old enough to clean it up herself... so for starters I would have made her strip the bed, and deal with what needed to be cleaned.



I am sure in her little 'it's all about me' :) 4 year old brain ~ she would have found that very distasteful and would think twice about doing it again.



I also might have made her sit there for a while with it and ask her if that is how she wants to live? with a dirty bed like that?



I know you say you pay lots of attention and give her lots of hugs and kisses - but this really sounds like a cry for attention to me, negative or positive attention is still attention - maybe hearing you planning a wedding is bothering her, perhaps you are distracted?



About beating on the other kids... that is unacceptable, is she losing her temper with them and hitting in reaction to something or is she just seeking them to bully withour provocation? What does her teacher say about it?



So many questons... this could all just blow over, a stage persay.



Back when my daughter was in Grade one she was being botherered by a boy who kicked her in the shins..... I spoke to the school and he was suspended for a few days but when he came back he was still a little brat.. then one day when I was walking to school I saw his Mom there so I went to have a word.. she was the nicest lady and she felt terrible, she said she was at the end of her rope and she apoligized and was so upset. Then she asked if I wanted to have a 'strong word' with him.... and I had her permission...



So when he came out.. she was around the corner and I took him to the side, put on my sternest expression, and told him I was Noel's Mom and if he ever bothered her again he would have to deal with me. Then I added that Noel is a lot of fun and woud be a good friend if he would be nice to her... I never had a problem after that and Noel said he was good.



Good luck with your little girl! did you try taking her favorite toy away for a bit? something that means something to her.
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Well nothing is as frustrating as a mouthy 4 year old, I can see your fiance getting quiet because he is so mad at her.



Kicking the other kids because she is bored... she needs one of them to kick back and teach her a lesson. I am not fan of spanking or corporal punishment of any kind, but sometimes it takes a swat to make them wise up.



Do you think she is spoiled? has too much? she seems to feel she is in charge of everyone, she needs a demotion!! does she disrespect you?
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Yuck. Never mind, I've bothered to read despite that. Anyway, you might go to:- http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en ... le.parents

and post your text there - Google groups, whilst a clunky gateway to Usenet, will give you a vast audience and high probablity of a useful reply. BTW, you will have to register first, but to do that you only need an e-mail address. Give it a go!
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I forgot to mention - there are other groups such as:

alt.childcare

alt.parenting.solutions

alt.parenting.spanking

and a raft of others, but I find some of the "alt" heirarchy somewhat "noisy". u.p.p. is OK.
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What is she like when you sit down and talk with her about it? When you tell her that Mommy is upset and she has been doing some bad things.
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I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH!!!!!! MY SON IS 3 AND THERE ARE DAYS I COULD KILL HIM. HE DOSENT POOP IN HIS BED BUT JUST RECENTLY STOPPED POOPING IN HIS PANTS. IT TOOK US A YEAR TO POTTY TRAIN HIM HE WOULD STAND IN THE LIVING ROOM FLOOR AND PEE AND THEN SAY" I PEED IN YOUR LIVINGROOM HA HA HA". EVERYTIME I TURN ARROUND HES INTO SOMETHING MAKING A HUGE MESS. HE HITS AND SPITS AND SCREAMS TO THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS WHEN THINGS DONT GO HIS WAY..... IM NOT SURE HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT WHO DOES THE PUNISHING BUT WHAT REALLY HELPS AROUND MY CRAZY HOUSE HOLD IS DADDY, DADDY MAKES THEM WALK THE CHALK LINE. BEING A MOM I KNOW I LET THEM GET AWAY WITH ALOT MORE THAN THEY SHOULD AND IM A STAY AT HOME MOM TOO SO I FUSS AT THEM ALL THE TIME THEY PROBABLY THINK THATS JUST SOMETHING MOMS DO..... THE CORNER WORKS GREAT TOO THE EXPERTS SAY 1 MIN PER YEAR OF AGE BUT I LEAVE HIM THERE UNTIL I GET THE MESS CLEANED UP OR UNTIL IM NOT MAD ANYMORE USUALL NO LONGET THAN 10 OR 15 MINS...... YOUR HUSBAND DOESNT EVEN HAVE TO SPANK HER JUST THE BIG DEEP VIOCE USUALLY WORKS.. GOOD LUCK
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If your four year old daughter is beating on other children and having acccidents in her pants, something is going on with her. Does she go to daycare or stay with a babysitter? Is someone there abusing her in someway? She is trying desparately to get attention for some reason. You say you give her a lot of attention so something else is going on.

I do think it is a mistake to ground her to her bed for the day. I think that is too harsh a punishment for a four year old. I think something better would be to have her help you change the bed clothes and I wouldn't make too much of a deal about the accident. I think the more you make a deal of it, the worse it will get.

I know you love her and want the best for her. I would try looking into a reason for this behavior. Children are not deliberately "bad". Something else is going on with her.

Good luck to you.
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Have You Ever Thought About A.d.d.? Mybrother Is A.d.d. And He Did Alot Of The Same Things. Hes 13 Now And Getting Alot Better. Does A.d.d. Run In Your Family? My Husband Is A.d.d. And Im Almost Con Vinced That My Son Is Too But Its Hard To Tell Until They Get In School The Good Thing Is If You Are On A Fixed Income And The Teacher Seems To Think That She Is A.d.d. The School Will Have Her Tested For Free....
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samanthaguy wrote: I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE, (snip) EVERYTIME I TURN ARROUND HES INTO SOMETHING MAKING A HUGE MESS. HE HITS AND SPITS AND SCREAMS TO THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS WHEN THINGS DONT GO HIS WAY.....


If he does this, what happens? With mine (3 y.o.), I feel he's just trying to provoke a reaction, so I let him get on with it (the screaming, not the mess).... he will stop it if I don't react. Can be interesting in shops, though.

samanthaguy wrote: THE CORNER WORKS GREAT TOO THE EXPERTS SAY 1 MIN PER YEAR OF AGE BUT I LEAVE HIM THERE UNTIL I GET THE MESS CLEANED UP OR UNTIL IM NOT MAD ANYMORE USUALL NO LONGET THAN 10 OR 15 MINS...... YOUR HUSBAND DOESNT EVEN HAVE TO SPANK HER JUST THE BIG DEEP VIOCE USUALLY WORKS.. GOOD LUCK


I tend to be against spanking, except in extremis - not at all frequently! It can be counter-productive, and lead to children "smacking" each other. Not good! To be stuck in a corner for three minutes is a lot, too. You try standing somewhere for 3 or five minutes, doing nothing - it's quite a long time. I am not sure "the experts" are much good in some cases.

Aha! I *knew* I'd found it on-line - the UK National Health Services produces the best guide ever to small children:

http://www.publications.doh.gov.uk/birthtofive/

You may want to look at Chapter 4 (available on-line as PDF).























Also:

YOUR FLIPPIN' CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK ON AND IT MAKES YOUR PSOTS HARD TO READ. BLACK AND WHITE IS ALSO BETTER IMO RATHER THAN YOUR STRANGE DUNG-COLOURED WORDS.
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tmbsgrl wrote: She has stood in the corner the longest for about 20 minutes. It doesn't work. She has sat in kitchen alone for a while, that didn't work, She has had spankens from me and Tim. We have both yelled at her.. She just laughs. I am also a stay at home mom.. Maybe out of a month she has 1 or 2 days where she doesn't get in trouble. I have sat on my bed and cried because i think i am a bad mother and Tim thinks he is a bad Father. We do not know what to do. In front of other people she acts like an angel.


It's just rebellion and a desire to push things to see how far she can go and what happens. Ignore it & see what happens. Don't react if possible. Note, she's coming up to an age where she may permenantly remember what happens. Most people's real memories start at around this age.
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It sounds to me like she knows just what buttons to push on Mom and Dad to get them going. Have you considered taking her to a counselor for evaluation. I have to agree with Photobug, there is more to this situation than meets the eye. These violent outbursts, hittting other kids, hitting you, are very distrubing, especially combined with the apparent lack of remorse she is displaying..
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First Off You Are Not A Bad Parent If You Are Doing Everything You Can, Nobody Is Born Knowing How To Do This, Im Only 22 And Have 3 Kids Ages 1,3,4. And Trust Me On My Best Day I Dont Know What Im Doing, But I Am A Firm Believer That If You Try You Will Never Fail, If You Give It 110. Age Has Alot To Do With This Too They Always Get Better With Age And I Bet When She Gets In School She Will Be A Totally Different Child. My Nephew Is An Only Childe And My Sis Is Single And He Is Very Spoiled And Sometimes Runs All Over Her But Hes An Angel At Daycare. Does Your State Have Abc Vouchers That Could Help You Pay For Preschool?
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Just basic questions.

How long has it been going on for?

How long have you been with your man and how long have you been discussing getting married?

Any other major changes?

Do any of the above fit in time wise?

I agree it sounds like she's crying out for attention good or bad. Remember at 4 she doesn't have the ability to communicate her feelings. All types of things could be going through her mind, you are left to rack your brains as to what they are.

Also remember children pick up on a lot more than we realise or sometimes more than we pick up ourselves, they also don't know how to deal with this.

For instance as a child I always knew if my Aunts new boyfriend was "nasty", even though everyone else loved him... I was always right, my aunt would move out with him and he would beat her up.

I'm in no way saying that is the problem just an example of children sometimes being more astute than us at times.

Well I know it's not that helpful, and I don't have children myself but I've grown up being the eldest in a large extended family, where all sorts have gone on.
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http://www.publications.doh.gov.uk/birt ... s51-64.pdf

the direct URL - you never know, this fairly somple text may have something to offer...
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Kids!



Your daughter is not a demon. She is a perfectly normal, though extremely headstrong, little person. I add that because I think all parents wonder if they've given birth to demon spawn when kids behave this way. (LOL).



Bodily functions are fascinating to kids. They'll get over it.



The hardest part is this ~ the second you lose your temper, she wins. Instead of parenting, it becomes a battle between you for who is controlling who. Make sense? This battle will escalate over time, and one day she will be too big for you to do much about. You will lose. :(



I'd try a new approach. It's not about how she behaves (so much) but about what she needs to learn.



1) People don't like to be hit, kicked, etc and they won't play with you if you keep it up.



2) Living in a dirty home is unacceptable. You are responsible for the messes you make. Wanna poop in your bed? Ok, then you must do the laundry, wash the mattress, etc. (I'd also get a plastic sheet to cover the mattress, followed by a soft quilt top. It'll at least protect the mattress from permanent damage.)



I think she nailed it for you. She's bored. Bored kids are a terror. You'll need to find a way to capture her attention and interest. Something that she enjoys but is challenging for her. Can she join a local sports team? Take local classes like art, drama, gymnastics...something? The park districts usually offer very affordable classes.



My dad was very wise in this. He used to offer me challenges and rewards that I would have to grow into. He used to say things like, "It's too bad you didn't get all of your homework done. I was hoping you'd be responsible enough for a new puppy. Well, perhaps later." Then of course, I'd work like mad to get the new puppy! He NEVER offered anything he wasn't willing to give, and he was always casual about offering me new challenges. Obviously it doens't have to be a huge thing like a new puppy, but something that appeals to her and that she will work towards.



This is a tough one, too...but change your sentences.

I am very angry with you for

I do not like it when-

I love you best when- (lots of tickles and hugs go well with this)

Nice people don't-

Look how well you-



When scolding or pointing out unacceptable behavior, it's always about "people" or a simple statement about your disapproval. When pointing out something wonderful about her, it's always personal and direct, using "you" and her name.



I know it sounds stupid, but it does help. You don't want her to have a self-image where she's the bad one. If you believe her to be good, then she will believe this about herself.



Sometimes, parents can only shrug and say ok. Of course, this has to be followed by making the child bear the consequences. If she insists on hitting other children, then she can no longer play with them. Period.



The 4 year old has figured out that they can make choices without you. They are completely self-centered and do not realize that other people feel as deeply as they do. That takes years to figure out.



And your daughter is right...she can make choices without you. This is exactly what you want her to do, eventually. This is her practice time - to see what happens when she makes good choices and what happens when she makes bad choices.



Withdrawing from the girl will step up her behavior. You will need to be fully engaged and in control of you at all times. This is why parenting is so exhausting! It will take a variety of ideas and actions to work through this stage. And it probably is just a stage. It will take time for her to respond and work through whatever it is she's learning. Don't expect immediate results. We are all a bit slow when it comes to growing. :)



Personally, I have no problem with spanking a child on the rear, so long as the boundaries are very clear to the child. Others will disagree, but I think that's a decision each parent has to make.



Not sure if this will help or not. You are her mother. You know her best. Don't feel bad about being stern with her. She needs it, and she expects it from you. Fair, loving, stern when necessary, and fun...always have fun time with her every day, even for 15 minutes.



Finally, if she has a bad temper, use physical exercise to get it out. My son used to rage when he was about her age. I would jog with him and challenge him until he started laughing... Betcha can't pick up that acorn without stopping! Betcha can't outrun the dog! Or whatever....It worked really well. Still today, he immediately looks for physical exercise when he gets mad.



Best of luck. :)
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Have you considered professional help for your daughter? Her actions appear to be beyond a parental solution.
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tmbsgrl wrote: Yes she disrespects us. She is spolied but not that spoiled. One little girl hit her back one time and gave her a black eye ( She busted this little girls lip 1 week earlier) . She looked at her and laughed. We have spanked her and it does not work!
Umm...you spanked her to try to teach her not to hit.

Things that make you go "hmmmm....."

Be consistent, be firm, do NOT say anything you don't mean (such as "I'm going to leave you here if you don't come with me" as I saw in the grocery store the other night). I like the idea of making her clean up after herself. Don't leave soiled sheets on the bed too long or you'll be looking for a new mattress.

She probably doesn't associate the loss of the toys with soiling the bed. She's a bit young to be making that connection. Put her back in diapers, or pull-ups. If she doesn't like the diapers, she'll quit.

Don't give her "one more chance" when she hits. If you are with her, remove her from the situation IMMEDIATELY. Put her in a neutral spot with no toys, and no attention, as soon as you see her do something like that.

If she throws a toy, she loses it. Instantly, with no appeal, for the rest of the day. If she breaks a toy, it doesn't get replaced.
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tmbsgrl wrote: No it doesn't run in the family. I have thought that but like you i decided to wait until school to see how she acts there.
DO NOT wait for her to start school, if you suspect this is the case. I have a nine-year-old with ADHD, and I am SO glad we got a jump-start on his treatment. If she needs treatment, it is much better to start that as soon as possible. Starting school and starting ADHD treatment at the same time will be incredibly stressful, and you will have a much more difficult time regulating the medication. If you start her now (assuming she needs it - don't just throw drugs at this), you will have a much better chance of getting the dosage regulated properly before she starts school. School will produce its own set of stresses, and it'll be hard to differentiate those stresses from the ADHD factors. If you control the ADHD (again, assuming that's what this is, I'm not diagnosing here) before she starts school it will be much, much easier on all concerned.

It is entirely possible that this is what is occurring here - and it doesn't have to be genetic. The symptoms are similar to what my son does.

There are several disorders that manifest with similar symptoms...don't just label this ADHD until you've had a second (and maybe a third) opinion. It could be Aspergers syndrome, non-verbal learning disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bipolar, or oppositional defiant disorder. Some kids have more than one of these. Some kids (like my son) don't fit neatly into any one category. You have to manage the symptoms.
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Erinna1112 wrote: Don't leave soiled sheets on the bed too long or you'll be looking for a new mattress.Solution... Plastic mattress protectors.
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This sounds like classic Child Frustration and your daughter not understanding how to manage it (children do not develop "coping" skills until well into their teens) I have to ask a personal Q, is your fiance your daughters father? If no how long has he been in the picture? She is going throug a phase of just not being able to express herself proper. Something has ber bugged, and I have heard the term "the terrible twos are awful but the f***ing Fours are the worst) I wonder if she is being bullied by other kids? Maybe check out what she is watching on TV as well, 4 is a very impressionable age. As well she is an only child she could be bored and this is how she gets attention and yes negative attention is still attention. And her being bored is not your fault at all, but I bet once she gets into school she will settle down as well. But as for beating on other kids you have to continually remind her this is not acceptable behavior. And ask her if someone is using this behavior on her. The poor mite is going through lots in her life even though it could be happy events sometimes youngsters just get overwhelmed. Think of us as adults and stress, and how we react, lots of mixed up emotions and how we react, yeah we are adults and know right from wrong but she is still learning. Sorry no easy solution just options to look at, the other is take her to your family dr. They may have advise. But it is rather typical behavior for a kid that age.
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Erinna1112 wrote: DO NOT wait for her to start school, if you suspect this is the case. I have a nine-year-old with ADHD, and I am SO glad we got a jump-start on his treatment. If she needs treatment, it is much better to start that as soon as possible. Starting school and starting ADHD treatment at the same time will be incredibly stressful, and you will have a much more difficult time regulating the medication. If you start her now (assuming she needs it - don't just throw drugs at this), you will have a much better chance of getting the dosage regulated properly before she starts school. School will produce its own set of stresses, and it'll be hard to differentiate those stresses from the ADHD factors. If you control the ADHD (again, assuming that's what this is, I'm not diagnosing here) before she starts school it will be much, much easier on all concerned.

It is entirely possible that this is what is occurring here - and it doesn't have to be genetic. The symptoms are similar to what my son does.

There are several disorders that manifest with similar symptoms...don't just label this ADHD until you've had a second (and maybe a third) opinion. It could be Aspergers syndrome, non-verbal learning disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bipolar, or oppositional defiant disorder. Some kids have more than one of these. Some kids (like my son) don't fit neatly into any one category. You have to manage the symptoms.


Hearing problems or allergies as well. Look into food allergies. Milk products is the first I would watch. Red dye the next. My 14 year old has ADHD but what we first noticed with her and her aggressive behavior was a severe allergy to Red dye (lots of kids medicine were dyed red way back when) and at 3 we had to pull her off all red, pink, purple and orange foods, tomatoe soup, kids meds, some juices, spagetti sauces, ketchup etc, What a difference the aggression vanished.

ADHD does not always create and agressive child. Don't go under that assumption.
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minks wrote: Hearing problems or allergies as well. Look into food allergies. Milk products is the first I would watch. Red dye the next. My 14 year old has ADHD but what we first noticed with her and her aggressive behavior was a severe allergy to Red dye (lots of kids medicine were dyed red way back when) and at 3 we had to pull her off all red, pink, purple and orange foods, tomatoe soup, kids meds, some juices, spagetti sauces, ketchup etc, What a difference the aggression vanished.

ADHD does not always create and agressive child. Don't go under that assumption.
True...ADHD does not always manifest as aggression. You're absolutely right. Thanks for the clarification. <--- that was sincere, not sarcastic...sometimes it's hard to tell in this medium.

One thing, though...just because a food is red does NOT mean that there is artificial red dye in it. Spaghetti sauce is red from the tomatoes. Sure, check and see that the product hasn't been enhanced by the addition of artificial color (and in that case it would be a problem) but if the food is naturally red, don't take the child off of something that's potentially good for them.

Elimination diets help in such situations. When I was nursing my son, he tended to be a bit colicky....I went on a juice fast for a couple of days, then started adding food in, one at a time, very slowly. It was easy to tell what was bothering him, doing it this way (turned out to be CHOCOLATE, of all things....argh....the things we give up for our kids). This may not be as feasible when it comes to a child, though.

Please do check with a medical professional - or even several. My son's father and I have had him to five different doctors, three of whom are still on his treatment team. It takes a while to find someone you're comfortable with. Do NOT stay with a physician who doesn't have time to explain what he's doing to your child. He should be able to make you understand what's going on to the extent that you can explain it to someone else. Make sure you understand it that well before you let him proceed (before I get wet-noodled here, I use the male pronouns generically).
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Sorry as I go along today I keep thinking of things to add to this...

Dicipline, reinforcement (of dicipline and explanation), praise (where do and maybe excessively) and repeat.

Dicipline her, and stick with it, and always remind her about it and stay consistant. And praise her excessively for the good things then she may see that the attention she gets for being good feels better than the negative stuff. Raising kids is no simple task and there is no handbook on it. We kind of go by the seat of our pants. Keep trying all kinds of things. Try a reward system too. If she has ADHD rewards are invaluable. Something simple like stickers, extra TV time, special mom and child time, something inexpensive. ADHD kids are a load of work in the early stages, their focus is a mess, they have no sense of priority. A way of looking at this is ... Its cold out, they want to go out and play, soooo they go out and play. Yep they do not have the ability to rationalize always and say I need a coat, hat mitts and boots no they only focus on getting out and playing. That is for life.

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She displayes some pretty common 4 year old traits and you got excellent advise here. Hang in there girl and I do agree with a pervious post, don't make a deal out of the little things. Let those go. And remember be her guide. Guide dont' control
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I'm going to mother you in this post - a bit of stern and a lot of caring. I truly hope it doesn't offend you, because that is not my intent.



You sound exhausted. You need a break. Your coping skills are overwhelmed right now.



There are lots of ways to get that break - you can trade with another mom a few hours a week. You can join a group (exercise or painting or something you like) one or two nights a week and let her father spend time with her while you're out.



You definitely need to recharge yourself. For you, and for her. :)



I'm hearing some defeatist talk. It's sounding as if your 4 year old rules the house, that you've tried everything, and nothing works. Exhaustion will do that to you.



I've locked myself in the washroom for a 10 minute break more than once. I know very well that they try every ounce of your patience and then some.



Here's the stern parent part....You are the parent. It's your job to find a way, to keep searching, trying, working, coaxing, etc etc. I wish kids were easy, but they aren't. They are worth every minute of it - I can promise you that.



If you've tried 10 ways and that doesn't work, then you keep at it until something does work. She's 4. You are much more experienced than she is. You are smarter, tougher, leaner, meaner, greener...(LOL).



The only way you can get the energy to do that is to take care of you first. It's not selfish at all - it's necessary for all of you. Find something that makes you feel good. Some women jog early mornings, some women join book clubs, some women do community service...there are tons of arts and crafts groups that meet once a week...I don't know your interests, so it's hard for me to point you in a good direction.



Just something to think about. :)
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.

Aristotle
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