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Forum Garden rules prohibit me from posting links to other sites for a time. There is ample evidence on the web from other sites that proves the Democrats have had exposure to, and dealings with Jack Abramoff, yet the liberal media is trying to make it appear to be exclusively a Republican scandal.

A site shows Democrats and Republicans getting large amounts of donations in 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006. It shows 105 Democrats and 185 Republicans getting heavy donations during that period.

http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff.asp

http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff_recips.asp?sort=R

A site shows 40 of the 45 members of the Senate Democrat Caucus received donations from Abramoff. A Washinton Post article from June 2, 2005 shows ties between Abramoff and senior-level Democrats. A Washington Times article from December 13, 2005 shows similar ties between Democrats and Abramoff.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1545902/posts

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02158.html

http://washingtontimes.com/national/200 ... -2879r.htm

I would feel much better about the coverage if it were honest. The corruption is on both sides of the political isle. That's no great revelation. Stop trying to hide the facts. Bring out all the facts and let the chips fall where they may. :cool:
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Agreed, and welcome!
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Here's the article. I don't endorse CNS News and don't know how skewed they are. I suspect they are at least as skewed as CNN.



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Democrats Benefited from Abramoff Contributions, Too

By Melanie Hunter

CNSNews.com Senior Editor

January 05, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - The National Republican Senatorial Committee said Wednesday that 40 of 45 members of the Senate Democrat Caucus have taken money from lobbyist Jack Abramoff, his associates and Indian tribe clients.

Abramoff pled guilty Tuesday to conspiracy, fraud and tax evasion. He also plans to implicate a number of U.S. lawmakers and congressional staffers in a bribery scandal.

Among those named by the NRSC as the worst examples of "Democrat hypocrisy" for taking money from Abramoff and his associates are: Sen. Byron Dorgan, (D-N.D.) who received at least $79,300; Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), who received at least $45,750; Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who received at least $68,941 and Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), who received at least $6,250.

Dorgan is among the lawmakers who have already returned campaign donations or given those donations to charity.

Bush campaign

President Bush's re-election campaign plans to give away $6,000 in campaign contributions from lobbyist Jack Abramoff, the Associated Press reported.

Abramoff reportedly raised at least $100,000 for Bush's re-election campaign, earning himself the honorary title of "pioneer."

The White House said Bush does not know Abramoff personally, but it's possible the two met at holiday receptions.

Several Republican lawmakers, including House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), also announced plans to give Abramoff's campaign contributions to charity.

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It's good to get a welcome from a "senior member." Your username says it all in a good way. I try not to get caught up in left, right or party affiliation. It's clear that there are serious issues on both sides in this Abramoff scandal. I wish those that are guilty, and the know who they are, would come out a accept responsibility and save us all the tooth pulling in order to get to the truth.

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ChiptBeef wrote: Forum Garden rules prohibit me from posting links to other sites for a time. There is ample evidence on the web from other sites that proves the Democrats have had exposure to, and dealings with Jack Abramoff, yet the liberal media is trying to make it appear to be exclusively a Republican scandal.



A site at "capitaleye.org" shows Democrats and Republicans getting large amounts of donations in 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006. It shows 105 Democrats and 185 Republicans getting heavy donations during that period.



A site at "freerepublic.com" shows 40 of the 45 members of the Senate Democrat Caucus received donations from Abramoff. A Washinton Post article from June 2, 2005 shows ties between Abramoff and senior-level Democrats. A Washington Times article from December 13, 2005 shows similar ties between Democrats and Abramoff.



I would feel much better about the coverage if it were honest. The corruption is on both sides of the political isle. That's no great revelation. Stop trying to hide the facts. Bring out all the facts and let the chips fall where they may. :cool:
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Rep. Robert Ney faces questions over his connections to Jack Abramoff

Update: Rep. Bob Ney has said he will donate $9,000 in contributions he received from Jack Abramoff to a charity, the Associated Press reported January 4. By Courtney Mabeus





November 21, 2005 | The controversy surrounding former Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff has enveloped several powerful members of Congress, including Tom DeLay. Among those also on the hot seat is Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio), a lawmaker little known outside the beltway who wields considerable influence on Capitol Hill as chairman of the House Administration Committee.

Ney, who is also known as the "mayor" of Capitol Hill because of his committee's jurisdiction over everything from assigning House office space to overseeing lawmakers' expense accounts, has been accused by critics of doing favors for Abramoff's clients in exchange for campaign contributions.

Ney's political committees have received at least $54,000 from Abramoff, his business associates and his former clients since 1994. But despite the questions those contributions have raised, Ney seems determined to hold on to them.

Ney spokesman Brian Walsh said last month there were no plans to return campaign contributions to the lawmaker or his political action committee from Abramoff, his associates or former clients. Walsh also called news reports attempting to link Ney to Abramoff "misleading."

Last month, Sen. Jim Talent (R-Mo.) became one of the first lawmakers to return a contribution from Abramoff since the scandal began. A review of Talent's latest campaign finance report filed with the Federal Election Commission revealed that Talent returned a $2,000 contribution from Abramoff to his 2002 campaign, as well as a $1,000 donation made earlier this year by the political action committee of Greenberg Traurig LLP, Abramoff's former law firm.

Talent's decision followed Abramoff's indictment on wire and mail fraud charges in connection with his 2000 purchase of SunCruz Casinos, a casino boat company that he had formerly represented. Adam Kidan, a business partner, was also indicted.

Ney twice inserted comments in the Congressional Record that related to the SunCruz deal. Ney's first comments, submitted prior to the transaction in March 2000, assailed SunCruz's existing owner, Gus Boulis. The second comments, filed after the purchase in October that year, praised Kidan's new leadership. Abramoff's associate, Michael Scanlon, orchestrated the remarks, The Washington Post reported last month.

Months after Ney inserted his second comments, Boulis was murdered in Florida. One of the men arrested in the slaying has been linked to Kidan in news reports.

Ney raised $4,000 in campaign contributions during the 2001-2002 election cycle from individuals associated with SunCruz, including $1,000 from Kidan during that year. Kidan also contributed $1,000 to Ney in 2000.

Ney returned Kidan's money earlier this year after learning more about Kidan's background of bad business deals, Walsh said.

"The congressman just felt that it was the appropriate thing to do," Walsh said on October 27. "We were not aware of Mr. Kidan's background."

Ney has said Abramoff duped him. Walsh denied any connection between Ney and Abramoff, adding that neither Ney nor his staff was aware that Scanlon and Abramoff were working together.

Scanlon, a former aide to DeLay, was charged Friday by the Justice Department with conspiracy to corrupt a U.S. lawmaker, identified only as "Representative A." He is also accused of defrauding his Indian tribe clients.

The Justice Department has not said who Representative A is, but the document filed in court alleges that Scanlon and "Lobbyist A," thought to be Abramoff, gave a lawmaker gifts, meals, trips and campaign contributions in exchange for an agreement to pass legislation, have statements placed in the Congressional Record and promote Scanlon's client's application to provide the House with wireless service. Ney took a golfing trip to Scotland in 2002 that was sponsored by Abramoff. That same year, he also awarded a license to provide cellular service inside the Capitol and surrounding office buildings to a wireless company represented by Abramoff. That company, Foxcom (now MobileAccess) is not listed as a Ney contributor.

Abramoff is also under federal investigation for his dealings with at least six American Indian tribes, which have accused him and Scanlon of bilking them out of millions of dollars in fees. Scanlon went to work with Abramoff at the Washington lobbying shop of Greenberg Traurig in 2002.

From 1998 through 2004, the years that Abramoff represented the tribes, three of them, including the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians and the Saginaw Chippewa contributed at least $19,000 to Ney.

That $19,000 total does not include $5,000 in 2002 to Ney's American Liberty PAC from the Tigua Indian Reservation. Senate lobbying records do not show that the tribe ever hired Abramoff. However, documents released by the committee investigating Abramoff, Senate Indian Affairs, show that in the spring of 2002 he was working on legislative language on behalf of the tribe. During that time, Ney agreed to help insert language into legislation that would have helped the tribe re-open its Texas casino. The provision failed and the language was never included.

The Washington Post reported that Abramoff directed the Tiguas to contribute $32,000 to Ney and his PAC in three installments after the lawmaker agreed to help with the tribe's casino effort. It is unclear how those contributions were made, and as a result, that $32,000 is not included in the $54,000 total from Abramoff, his clients or associates.

Abramoff himself contributed $5,750 to Ney and his PAC between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002 election cycles. That total represents all the money that Abramoff has personally contributed to Ney. The PAC and employees of Greenberg Traurig, where Abramoff worked as a lobbyist from 2001 until his resignation in 2004, contributed $12,985 to Ney during Abramoff's tenure.

Employees of Preston, Gates and Ellis contributed $5,250 to Ney and his PAC while Abramoff worked there from 1994 until 2001. That total includes a $2,000 contribution from Scanlon.

In a related matter, the Associated Press reported Thursday that at least 33 lawmakers received more than $830,000 in Abramoff-related donations between 2001 and 2004 as Abramoff lobbied against a request for a casino by the Jena tribe of Choctaw Indians. The tribe was competing against the Louisiana Coushattas and Mississippi Choctaws, both Abramoff clients. Some of those lawmakers sent letters to the Department of the Interior opposing the tribe's request, many within days of receiving money from Abramoff clients, though those contacted by the AP claimed that the timing and donations were coincidental. Ney's PAC received $8,000 in contributions from the Mississippi Choctaws, all of it during the 2001-2002 and 2003-2004 election cycles. The Hill newspaper reported this month that Ney is setting up a legal defense fund to deal with the fallout over Abramoff. Word about the fund came less than a week after Ney received a Justice Department subpoena to hand over any documents related to Abramoff. Walsh has said he did not believe Ney was being targeted by the investigation.



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ChiptBeef wrote: It's good to get a welcome from a "senior member." Your username says it all in a good way. I try not to get caught up in left, right or party affiliation. It's clear that there are serious issues on both sides in this Abramoff scandal. I wish those that are guilty, and the know who they are, would come out a accept responsibility and save us all the tooth pulling in order to get to the truth.



Thanks again for making me feel welcome. I hope to be a good forum neighbor.:-6You're off to a great start!



Check out the Introductions forum & tell us about yourself. I think you'll be happily surprised at the support. :-6
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Accepting donations isn't a crime, accepting bribes is. Why would anyone bribe a democrat. They have no power! :wah:
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Benjamin wrote: Accepting donations isn't a crime, accepting bribes is. Why would anyone bribe a democrat. They have no power! :wah:


Oh it isn't? Are you Tom Delay?
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Well at least the Democrats didn't get into bed with the family of Osama Bin Laden.

Republicans are ruining the country. Piling us headlong into incalculable debt and terrible war. It's time for a change!

Shame on all republicans.

Basically, republicans want to take us all back to a time that cannot exist today. Stagnation and an unwillingness to change are their trademarks. As is corruption!

Democrats, on the other hand, are more tolerant and willing to change. The term "liberal" is a badge of honor for all who wear it and denotes an ability to see new solutions and try new things. To change with the times.

Just like Nixon, Bush thinks that his way is so important that laws don't apply to him. i expect he'll be impeached soon.

In the meantime, everyone should read, "House of Bush, house of Saud" To see the real reasons why we are at war with Iraq instead of the actual culprits, the Saudis.
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StupidCowboyTricks wrote: Oh it isn't? Are you Tom Delay?
I think you missed my point. Tom Delay accepted bribes. Donations in exchange for political favors are bribes.
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flopstock wrote: That's a joke, right? What's next? BJs aren't part of sex? Can I see a show of hands from the guys that would accept that as an explanation from 'their wives' when they come home late?



And Jives, really! The only reason the liberals didn't go to bed with them was because ABSCAM made them gunshy!:D



They are all liars and all crooks, with the exception of the short guy that went down in a plane crash a few years ago... Politicians today are all about getting power in their party, not serving the people that sent them to represent them!Are you sure we're not family? :-4
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flopstock wrote: The only reason the liberals didn't go to bed with them was because ABSCAM made them gunshy!:D



They are all liars and all crooks... Politicians today are all about getting power in their party, not serving the people that sent them to represent them!
It looks to me like some of them were all in the same bed, kind of like we did growing up, only they had different ideas and there was a much different outcome. I think we will find there's been enough corruption in this thing to cover many Democrats and Republicans like a blanket. One question is who will have the integirty to come forward and come clean before warrants have to be issued? :-5
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They are all liars and all crooks, with the exception of the short guy that went down in a plane crash a few years ago... Politicians today are all about getting power in their party, not serving the people that sent them to represent them!
That's a bit simplistic. Some politicians actually want to do good things. We have a republican governor here in Colorado who, while I don't agree with some of the things he's tried to do, I think overall he's done a good job. We have a democratic mayor here in Denver who's done a lot of good things for the city. There are quite a few congressmen who want to do good things, although not many of them are republicans. Republicans are dominated by sleaze and corruption and no amount of Clinton bashing is going to change that.
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Benjamin wrote: I think you missed my point. Tom Delay accepted bribes. Donations in exchange for political favors are bribes.
No I didn't and that scenario about favors is being brought to the surface.
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Benjamin wrote: no amount of Clinton bashing is going to change that.
Not to get too bogged down by facts, but I didn't see Clinton's name mentioned in this thread. Could you point me in the right direction? :-6
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Benjamin wrote: That's a bit simplistic. Some politicians actually want to do good things. We have a republican governor here in Colorado who, while I don't agree with some of the things he's tried to do, I think overall he's done a good job. We have a democratic mayor here in Denver who's done a lot of good things for the city. There are quite a few congressmen who want to do good things, although not many of them are republicans. Republicans are dominated by sleaze and corruption and no amount of Clinton bashing is going to change that.


Again I like this guy! Stick to your guns, Ben!
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Jives wrote: Stick to your guns, Ben!
Even if the guns are loaded with blanks? :wah:
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ArnoldLayne wrote: This is a view from a distance. Take it as you will.



Clinton was hugely popular this side of the pond. We were very suprised you got rid of the best president you had for donkeys years . I think we would have forgiven him, nay cheered him, for his sexual indiscretions. Would it have mattered if he had been straight up(no pun intended :D ) from the start and not lied about itWe have term limits. That's undoubtedly the only thing that put him out. I shudder to think the panty-waist response he would have given to 9/11.
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ArnoldLayne wrote: Let me be controversial and contemplate the fact that 911 would not have happened during his "panty-waist" term of office ;)You're not controversial, you're naive. They put a bomb in the underground parking there under Clinton's watch.
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Accountable wrote: We have term limits. That's undoubtedly the only thing that put him out. I shudder to think the panty-waist response he would have given to 9/11.
I heard discussion about term limits several days ago on the radio. The Congress doesn't have term limits like the presidency. I don't have any use for career politicians. If there is going to be limits on the presidency, similar limits should apply to Congress as well. The argument about term limits at the ballot box is mostly put forward by the same career politicians, protecting their turf. Which am I now... Radical Democrat, Radical Republican or Radical Independent?

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ChiptBeef wrote: I heard discussion about term limits several days ago on the radio. The Congress doesn't have term limits like the presidency. I don't have any use for career politicians. If there is going to be limits on the presidency, similar limits should apply to Congress as well. The argument about term limits at the ballot box is mostly put forward by the same career politicians, protecting their turf. Which am I now... Radical Democrat, Radical Republican or Radical Independent?

:confused:Thirsty! I'm buyin' you a round in the pub!



BTW, I'm with ya about career criminals.
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Accountable wrote: Thirsty! I'm buyin' you a round in the pub!
As long as we can make it on the Riverwalk at night since - "God blessed Texas with His own hand, brought down angels from the promised land..."

Can you arrange for one of those angels to go with the adult beverage?
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ChiptBeef wrote: As long as we can make it on the Riverwalk at night since - "God blessed Texas with His own hand, brought down angels from the promised land..."



Can you arrange for one of those angels to go with the adult beverage?We have our own angels. Click here.
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JAB wrote: It matters not a whit to me what anyone does in their sex life. When Clinton took the oath to tell the truth in a deposition yet then did the opposite, that triggered the impeachment. The details Starr got into just made for titilating material to read in the paper and gave comedians material to use for years.
If Slick Willie had kept his "sex life" in private, off government property... no problem. He engaged in his adulterous behavior in "the people's house." That brought discredit and shame upon the Office of the President. His lies and violations of federal law after the fact just made it worse. Since her demotion from co-president to Senator of New York, Hilliary got $1000 from Abramoff, but all we hear on that front is crickets. I wonder if she has turned that $1000 into $100,000? :cool:
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JAB wrote: You don't honestly believe that Clinton was the only President to have an affair while on gov't property, do you?
Never laid claim to that. It's not about party affiliation. I just don't have any use for Slick Willie. Just a personal opinion. God bless America.
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flopstock wrote: Talk about simplistic! Would you qualify your opinion of a democratic governor the same way and how much did your shorts knot typing the words 'good job'? How about a qualifier on that democratic mayor, eh? Or do they just get a deaf dumb and blind, stamp of approval? 'YOU PEOPLE' crack me up!:wah:



You're all like the worst of the sports parents at their kids game. Your kid can do no wrong..your kid was robbed or cheated..the other team never plays fair!!:-1 Quit the whining already! Pay attention to the game, not just your kid!



And don't be so surprised that local politicians seem more connected to the issues that are important to you...they actually have to live there too, not just stop by on the campaign trail...while on their way to a fundraiser sponsored by a big corporation that doesn't expect any 'favors' in return..talk about a load of crap!



Take a good look at the parties that 'folks like you' are so busy building up by trashing the other guy... just don't forget to wipe your ass when you're through....;)
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A November 2004 news article tied Senator Chris Dodd (D-Con) to Jack Abramoff and $300,000 Abramoff gave to both parties. Rep. Ney was mentioned as well, but of course he's the only one reported on now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn//a ... Nov17.html



A January 2006 news article reports Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) does not plan to return $42,500 received from Abramoff's associates. Yet the President returning $6000 of funds received from Abramoff's associates is national news.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01420.html

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flopstock wrote: ah..ah..ah- not quite as middle of the road as we profess, eh? next you'll be telling me that bush got in on his intelligence and sharp wit..:wah:






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I was listening to Alan Combs the other night and Alan, who I usually find pretty smart, slipped into fantasy land when he argued that since the Democrats were in the minority statistically, they couldn't be part of the Abramoff scandal. Now I understand, Democrats don't have as many seats in Congress or the Senate, so they can violate rules and laws at will... they get a free pass. Sweet.

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ChiptBeef wrote: I was listening to Alan Combs the other night and Alan, who I usually find pretty smart, slipped into fantasy land when he argued that since the Democrats were in the minority statistically, they couldn't be part of the Abramoff scandal. Now I understand, Democrats don't have as many seats in Congress or the Senate, so they can violate rules and laws at will... they get a free pass. Sweet.

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StupidCowboyTricks wrote: OK, "Faux News" has arrived.
No, just someone offering facts and opinions. Isn't that standard operating procedure on discussion forums? :-3
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ChiptBeef wrote: No, just someone offering facts and opinions. Isn't that standard operating procedure on discussion forums? :-3


Sources Say 'Duke' Cunningham Wore a Wire



TIMOTHY J. BURGER, TIME



(Jan. 7) - Washington's power players have always bragged about being well-wired, but for disgraced former congressman Duke Cunningham, "wired" wasn't just a figure of speech.

In a week when legislators are focused on the question of who else might be brought down by ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s cooperation with prosecutors as he seeks lenient sentencing over his two federal guilty pleas this week, sources tell TIME that in a separate investigation, ex-Rep. Cunningham wore a wire to help investigators gather evidence against others just before copping his own plea.

Sources familiar with the situation say Cunningham, a California Republican who pleaded guilty Nov. 28 to taking $2.4 million in bribes ” including a yacht, a Rolls Royce and a 19th Century Louis-Philippe commode ” from a defense contractor, wore a wire at some point during the short interval between the moment he began cooperating with the feds and the announcement of his guilty plea on Nov. 28.

The identity of those with whom the San Diego congressman met while wearing the wire remains unclear, and is the source of furious ” and nervous ” speculation by congressional Republicans.

A Cunningham lawyer, K. Lee Blalack, refused to confirm or deny the story, and wouldn't say whether Cunningham will implicate any other members of Congress. The FBI is believed to be continuing its probe of defense contractors involved in the Cunningham case.

An FBI spokesman declined comment. Asked whether Cunningham, an ace Navy fighter pilot decorated for his service in Vietnam, had worn a wire, the spokesman said the response from a higher-up was, "Like I'd tell you."

With reporting by Brian Bennett in Washington
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And your point? :confused:
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ChiptBeef wrote: And your point? :confused:


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someone offering facts and opinions. Isn't that standard operating procedure on discussion forums? :-3"
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More imitation and flattery. Thanx. How about a sentence or two of your opinion to enhance the facts? Or is this going to be a debate of the links? Surely, you can do better than that. Or can you............ :confused:
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ChiptBeef wrote: More imitation and flattery. Thanx. How about a sentence or two of your opinion to enhance the facts? Or is this going to be a debate of the links? Surely, you can do better than that. Or can you............ :confused:


Let me get this straight, you are allowed to post and bring up links etc. and I'm not?

For someone who is "Non-partisan" you appear to be slipping into the Neocon abyss.
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This scandal is so bad, even Newt Gingrich is criticizing the republican party.

"The more I have learned about this, frankly the angrier I have gotten," Gingrich, the former speaker of the house, told a gaggle of reporters. "The indifference to right and wrong is very troubling."


While "democrats know jack too," the majority of the players are republicans. Here is a list of congressmen who have been implicated in the scandal:

Tom DeLay (R-TX)

Bob Ney (R-OH)

Tom Feeney (R-FL)

Richard Pombo's (R-CA)

Mike Ferguson (R-NJ)

Byron Dorgan (D-ND)

Conrad Burns (R-Montana)

John Cornyn (R-Texas)

David Vitter (R-Louisiana)

Tom Harkin (D-Iowa)

Charles Grassley (R-Iowa)

William Gormley (R-NJ)
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Thanks, Ben. I've been looking for this. I'm also looking for a list of all the fed politicians that have accepted contributions from him. Any suggestions on where/if such a list exists?



See, I'm of a mind that all of them are crooks. If we can put all the crooks in jail, that may make room for more of the guys like the governor & mayor you mentioned.
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This is tiresome. Trust that those interested in politics are going to read it without plastering such a long post in every thread.
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StupidCowboyTricks wrote: Let me get this straight, you are allowed to post and bring up links etc. and I'm not? For someone who is "Non-partisan" you appear to be slipping into the Neocon abyss.
Putting words in my mouth and slapping on ficticious labels. I'm just saying it might be helpful to give a sentence or two of your interpretation of the issue that you are trying to raise. It's a free country. Do whatever floats your boat. God bless America. :yh_flag :yh_flag :yh_flag :yh_flag
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ChiptBeef wrote: Putting words in my mouth and slapping on ficticious labels. I'm just saying it might be helpful to give a sentence or two of your interpretation of the issue that you are trying to raise. It's a free country. Do whatever floats your boat. God bless America. :yh_flag :yh_flag :yh_flag :yh_flag


Where did I do this? I just questioned your words erm... your post words. Are you wraping yourself in the flag now?
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