Brokeback Mountain

franx · Post by **franx** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:00 pm

[QUOTE=SnoozeControl]This whole subject is going to drive me insane, but how can being in love with someone, no matter what sex each partner is, be wrong? Isn't that one of God's gifts to us... love?

QUOTE]

I don't think it is wrong snoozecontrol at all.:-6

franx · Post by **franx** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:01 pm

Accountable wrote: I think you will never have a better time to stand strong for what you believe without threat of physical harm.
Pardon?

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:02 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: This whole subject is going to drive me insane, but how can being in love with someone, no matter what sex each partner is, be wrong? Isn't that one of God's gifts to us... love?

Hard to explain, but I think things are a little out of wack when people can get so riled up over a movie they'll most likely never see.

Gay is more than love of the same sex, it is wrong as it goes against what humans were created to do... pro-create. Gays can't do that. Gay is an act of un-natural sex, sorry this is wrong.

franx · Post by **franx** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:04 pm

SOJOURNER wrote: Don't go weak-kneed on us, Franx. Stand tall and speak straight (no jab intented :sneaky: ). Your opinion is as valuable as anyone elses............ :-6
I won't go weak-kneed sojourner:wah:

I have always spoken my mind . I might not agree with them but I will always listen to them and respect their point of view.

franx · Post by **franx** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:05 pm

minks wrote: Gay is more than love of the same sex, it is wrong as it goes against what humans were created to do... pro-create. Gays can't do that. Gay is an act of un-natural sex, sorry this is wrong.
So it's just the sexual act thats wrong?

So people who chose not to have children are wrong?

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:06 pm

mrsK wrote:

I know I will never have to sit through another cowboy movie again once he see's this as he is very,very homophobic:-6

Cool!

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:06 pm

KarazePapa wrote: Franx, first off, welcome to FG. Good folk around here.

Yes, in answer to your question, there are ignorant people out there that will take this movie and the 2 charcaters and start a ruckus to say that now cowboys who are sheep herders, are gay. Come to think of it, we cowboys have always wondered about those sheep herders. Cowboys-they tend and care for cattle. Sheepherders-they tend and care for sheep. So I think we have hit this all wrong. We are no longer talking of Cowboys as we are talking of Sheepherders. Cowboys don't tend Sheep. Think about that.................

Go see the movie......lmao

they were just doing xtra work when they where young.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:06 pm

Far Rider wrote: No, but, its another tough icon thats degraded, my point, much like what Jives was saying is that its insidious...

This is an attack on masculinity. It's really designed to make the homosexuals more openly accepted... it doesnt matter if there isnt one gay cowboy.

The "perception" is now that there could be... so yes, some people in order to justify their own liscivious behavior will take this movie as proof that their lifestyle is ok.

yep i agree far and what next? This is a little on the extreme side, but Gay is a sexual preference, and what will be coming to light next, People being accepted because they prefer sex with?? I dunno whom or what. But my point is, it isn't right and should be out there for public consumption. I really don't want to offend anyone with this I just believe it is incorrect.

franx · Post by **franx** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:08 pm

KarazePapa wrote: No one needs to be laughed at. Educated huh. How do you educate someone who has views that are so imbedded into themselves. Laughing at someone is cruel. There will always be ignorance in this world. We change someone by leadership, by how we live our lives. We change by example.
Forgive me, I've had to deal with countless bigots in my time and it's one of my defences. To brush things of and try to laugh.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:09 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: I never had children, am I unnatural?
Nope

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:17 pm

Oh for god sakes look at the way we are put together..... insert Tab A into Slot A. That is the bottom line. We all know how it works and we all know the problems that are out there if you monkey around with it.

franx · Post by **franx** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:17 pm

I don't think you actually know the bigots who I have encountered.

I was explaining to another poster why I said to laugh at people who would think all cowboys are gay due to one film.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:19 pm

Far Rider wrote: Franx.

If your gonna play that card I challenge you to point out the bigotry.

Franx are you gay? I don't hate ya if you are, I just believe your life style is wrong in so many ways. But you come in here all hot and defensive from the start line I have to wonder.

Listen I am not a Gay basher, I work with one, I like her as a person, but I will never accept her life choice. But I don't hate her or anyone else. My opinion is merely such that I see it wrong.

franx · Post by **franx** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:21 pm

lol, not hot and bothered at all Minks.

Is this a normal sort of question a newbie is asked?

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:24 pm

franx wrote: lol, not hot and bothered at all Minks.

Is this a normal sort of question a newbie is asked?

yes please read all my welcomes to the FG first words out of my mouth are

Hey nice to meet you are you gay.....

No for cryin out loud I asked because you came in here right as soon as you signed up in strong defense of the gay community I just wondered.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:36 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Maybe I'm not explaining this very well, but I was only questioning the logic behind the statement "it is wrong as it goes against what humans were created to do... pro-create." I haven't "procreated" so does this make it wrong that I didn't? I don't really think that's a strong argument against homosexuality.

And I'm done with this topic!:D la la la la la la

no you aren't wrong you did not go against what you were made for. You chose not to pro-create.... end of that. Gayness ensures there will be no procreation, not even the choice.... there is my opinion on the difference. For cryin out loud my man chose to not pro-create he is not wrong either. That is so not what I was going on about.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:38 pm

Far Rider wrote: Oh, no in my opinion it is not wrong that you did not procreate.

It may not be a strong arguement alone, but it is an argument against a homosexual couple calling themselves a family. And that is an issue I have.

Yes there is a better explanation, family Homosexuality does not give procreation a chance. Gawds that was impossible to explain wasn't it.

I think we should let this drift back to a thread about the movie hehehehe

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:03 pm

(dum de dum dum...jives comes back in after teaching night school.)

Wow! Is this thread still going?

(Jives reads the previous 10 pages!)

Whoa, Far, you and Minks have said what I wanted to say far more eloquently than I could have, and without ruffling any feelings. I bow to your debate skills!

Let's all just end this thread by saying that some people will like the movie as just that, a movie about sheepherders, while others will not like this movie because of a percieved agenda.

I guess that all it really boils down to, eh?:wah:

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:04 pm

Jives wrote: (dum de dum dum...jives comes back in after teaching night school.)

Wow! Is this thread still going?

(Jives reads the previous 10 pages!)

Whoa, Far, you and Minks have said what I wanted to say far more eloquently than I could have, and without ruffling any feelings. I bow to your debate skills!

Let's all just end this thread by saying that some people will like the movie as just that, a movie about sheepherders, while others will not like this movie because of a percieved agenda.

I guess that all it really boils down to, eh?:wah:

I will offer up a handshake to everyone here and call it a truce.... exit stage left for moi

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:08 pm

Jives wrote: (dum de dum dum...jives comes back in after teaching night school.)

Wow! Is this thread still going?

(Jives reads the previous 10 pages!)

Whoa, Far, you and Minks have said what I wanted to say far more eloquently than I could have, and without ruffling any feelings. I bow to your debate skills!

Let's all just end this thread by saying that some people will like the movie as just that, a movie about sheepherders, while others will not like this movie because of a percieved agenda.

I guess that all it really boils down to, eh?:wah:

Didn't Jesus herd sheep?

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:19 pm

Far Rider wrote: Um no, he was a carpenter or so some say...

He did use analagies to shepherding... and compared people to sheep.

Maybe thats why so many people are easily fooled.
You caught my drift Ace................PEOPLE!

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:57 pm

franx wrote: Pardon?Sorry, I must've misread. On our side of the pond, a face-to-face pro/con conversation about homosexuality sometimes ends up in a fight. Here, there is all the emotion and heat without anyone being within arm's reach. It gives one a chance to arrange one's thoughts, and is wonderful practice for the face-to-face variety.

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:31 pm

Far Rider wrote: Alright I finally got one! :wah: Night stu!

"The Lord is my shepherd I'll walk with him always

always, always, I'll walk with him always"

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:10 am

'Brokeback Mountain' Conquers Golden Globes

'Walk The Line' Top Musical/Comedy Winner

UPDATED: 1:11 am EST January 17, 2006

"Brokeback Mountain," a drama about a forbidden romance between two cowboys, won four Golden Globe Awards Monday night in Los Angeles, including Best Motion Picture Drama and Best Director for Ang Lee.

"Wow, getting this award, for this movie -- from the man? That's too much," beamed Lee, motioning to Western film icon Clint Eastwood, who presented the filmmaker with the honor.

Lee took the time to recognize his colleagues, noting that it's been an "amazing year for American cinema."

"I want to give my first thanks to my fellow filmmakers for strengthening my faith in movies -- and to the power of movies to change the way we're thinking," Lee said.

"Brokeback Mountain" also won for Best Screenplay and Best Original Song.

The Johnny Cash biopic "Walk the Line" won the Golden Globe for Best Musical or Comedy while Joaquin Phoenix and Reese Witherspoon took the Best Actor and Actress Globes for playing Cash and June Carter, respectively.

"Who ever thought that I'd win in the comedy or musical category? It was not expected," Phoenix joked. He went on to thank, among many others, Johnny Cash and June Carter for "sharing their life with all of us."

Witherspoon said her role hit home, quite literally.

"This film is really important to me," Witherspoon enthused. "It's about where I grew up, it's about the music I grew up listening to, so it's very meaningful."

Phillip Seymour Hoffman won the Best Actor Drama trophy for his role of Truman Capote in the biopic "Capote," while Felicity Huffman nabbed the Best Actress Drama Globe for playing a man whose about to undergo a sex change operation in "TransAmerica."

"I know as actors our job is usually to shed our skins, but as people our job is to become who we really are," Huffman said, holding back tears. "And so I would like to salute the men and women who brave ostracism, alienation and a life lived on the margins to become who they really are."

"Syriana" star George Clooney and "The Constant Gardner" star Rachel Weisz won Globes for Best Supporting Actor and Actress, respectively, to start the night.

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George Clooney holds his Golden Globe backstage after winning for Best Supporting Actor for "Syriana"

Clooney thanked the film's writer and director Stephen Gaghan, as well as the film's studio (Warner Bros.), for taking on the film's difficult subject matter.

A political thriller, "Syriana" takes the global oil industry to task with a complicated plot.

"I'm standing up here because of dozens of people doing very courageous things -- starting with Steve Gaghan, who wrote a screenplay that asks a lot of difficult questions," Clooney said. "I think he has to be commended for that."

Clooney also took his win as an opportunity to take a political jab at embattled ex-Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff, by poking fun at his first and part of his last name.

On the television side, "Desperate Housewives" won for Television Comedy, while "Lost" won for Best Television Drama.

For their Best Actress and Actor Drama wins, "Commander in Chief's" Geena Davis and "House's" Hugh Laurie delivered lively, wit-filled speeches.

Davis said that a little girl stopped her on her way into the show to say, "Because of you I want to be president some day," but then cracked, "Well, that didn't actually happen. But it could have."

Laurie claimed he had a list that included 172 names, and being that he didn't have time to thank them all, he had 172 little pieces of paper in his pocket listing each person individually.

"I'm just going to draw out three at random, and everyone else can just lump it," Laurie said, joking.

One of the names was of Laurie's agent, to which the star observed, "I'm not sure if that's my handwriting."

Even though they had four of the five nominations in the Best Actress Comedy category, the "Desperate Housewives" cast lost out to Mary-Louise Parker for "Weeds." Steve Carell drew laughs as he accepted his Best Actor Comedy globe for "The Office," mentioning his wife throughout his speech.

For his speech for the Cecil B. DeMille award for career achievement, Sir Anthony Hopkins not only thanked people he's worked with in front of the camera, but behind it.

"I particularly want to pay a big salute, a tribute to the extraordinary people who make movies -- the crews, the camera people and the sound people, the grips, the electricians, the wardrobe, costume and props, hair and makeup, transport -- a wonderful bunch of anonymous people who work harder than anyone," Hopkins said.

Queen Latifah and Chris Rock both made references the show being held the same day as the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday. Latifah's tribute was energetic and heartfelt, while Rock's, not surprisingly, was more comedic.

"I want everybody to relax, you only have to be nice to black people for two more hours," Rock joked.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:38 pm

tonight, Jan. 17, on Larry King....should be rather heated conversation.....Larry King Live:The debate over gay love heats up with Brokeback Mountain's big night. Gays face off with religious conservatives.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:41 am

lol. Gay cowboys. Gay astronauts? Gay military men?

Sometimes people say, "We need to drag this out in the open and talk about it."

Occasionally they're right...but sometimes my reply is the same as my grandfather's and his father's:

"No. No we don't. It's good for that to hide in the shadows where it belongs."

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:52 am

Did you watch Larry King, LC?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:52 am

Accountable wrote: Did you watch Larry King, LC?i half-listened to it, it was well-reasoned discussion without the jerry-springer-like acrimony i expected.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:58 am

lady cop wrote: i half-listened to it, it was well-reasoned discussion without the jerry-springer-like acrimony i expected.
Of course not. Larry bored them sh*tless.

Slade1 · Post by **Slade1** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:36 pm

Since I have registered on this site I have been simply amazed with some of the narrow minded and bigotted views on display. I especially find the link between morals, religion and the sense of what is right & wrong astounding. If there is a God (and it's a long shot) and these are the values that the all knowing, all seeing and wise creator harbours then he is not a God that I wish to know.

Or of course, these could be the opinions of someone who lived in medieval times that also believed in witches and evil spirits (crazy I know).Maybe I'd better shut up now, before you all appear at my front door with torches and pitchforks...

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:59 pm

Slade1 wrote: Since I have registered on this site I have been simply amazed with some of the narrow minded and bigotted views on display. I especially find the link between morals, religion and the sense of what is right & wrong astounding. If there is a God (and it's a long shot) and these are the values that the all knowing, all seeing and wise creator harbours then he is not a God that I wish to know.

Or of course, these could be the opinions of someone who lived in medieval times that also believed in witches and evil spirits (crazy I know).Maybe I'd better shut up now, before you all appear at my front door with torches and pitchforks...

Since I have registered on this site I have been simply amazed with some of the common sensical and traditional views on display. I especially find the link between morals, religion and the sense of what is right & wrong astounding. But since it's so obvious how connected religion is to values, I don't know why I should be surprised.

If there is a God (and it's a sure thing) and these are the values that the all knowing, all seeing and wise creator harbours then he is a God that I wish to know. And he is obviously a God that many of you are in tune with.

I'd just like to say that I am very, very proud that there are still so many people that believe in the goodness and wholesomeness of the traditional values. It's also good to know that so many of you are willing to stand up against the onslaught of immorality and degradation so common today.

I'm just proud to know you!

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:13 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slade1

Since I have registered on this site I have been simply amazed with some of the narrow minded and bigotted views on display. I especially find the link between morals, religion and the sense of what is right & wrong astounding. If there is a God (and it's a long shot) and these are the values that the all knowing, all seeing and wise creator harbours then he is not a God that I wish to know.

Or of course, these could be the opinions of someone who lived in medieval times that also believed in witches and evil spirits (crazy I know).Maybe I'd better shut up now, before you all appear at my front door with torches and pitchforks...

Since I have registered on this site I have been simply amazed with some of the common sensical and traditional views on display. I especially find the link between morals, religion and the sense of what is right & wrong astounding. But since it's so obvious how connected religion is to values, I don't know why I should be surprised.

If there is a God (and it's a sure thing) and these are the values that the all knowing, all seeing and wise creator harbours then he is a God that I wish to know. And he is obviously a God that many of you are in tune with.

I'd just like to say that I am very, very proud that there are still so many people that believe in the goodness and wholesomeness of the traditional values. It's also good to know that so many of you are willing to stand up against the onslaught of immorality and degradation so common today.

I'm just proud to know you!

Yaaaaaaay Freedom!!