A Challenge For Bush Supporters

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:23 pm

Without attacking Clinton or liberals (or insulting anyone), describe what you consider to be George W. Bush's top 5 accomplishments as president.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:35 pm

1. Bush has kept terrorism off our native soil.......he has kept them busy on their own turf.

2. Taxes have not risen as significantly as they did with Clinton and our unemployment rate is down. The economy of the US is GOOD!

3. He has not sacrificed the environment as badly as Gore or Kerry would have - what a concept.

4. He has kept "BIG Business" - the driving force behind our economy in fairly good tact --- how many businesses left under Clinton?

5. He stands firm behind his policy and has never been accused of sexual indiscresion.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:40 pm

Ooooooooh! So close! That #4 doesn't really qualify as an attack, does it Ben?

*that really was a good-natured rib

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:49 pm

Accountable wrote: Ooooooooh! So close! That #4 doesn't really qualify as an attack, does it Ben?

*that really was a good-natured rib

BEN??????????? Last time BTS checked I was still female.....:wah: I didn't know this was supposed to be an attack...........HAHAHAHAHA

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:55 pm

nvalleyvee wrote: BEN??????????? Last time BTS checked I was still female.....:wah: I didn't know this was supposed to be an attack...........HAHAHAHAHA
Uhh....I'm fairly certain he's talking to BENjamin.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:58 pm

nvalleyvee wrote: BEN??????????? Last time BTS checked I was still female.....:wah: I didn't know this was supposed to be an attack...........HAHAHAHAHABr's right, I was asking the ref - the guy that set the challenge. :guitarist Ben & I haven't had many chances to goof around so I wanted to be clear.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:00 pm

BabyRider wrote: Uhh....I'm fairly certain he's talking to BENjamin.

We posted at the same time......kind of...........:-3 I didn't relate it to Ben. Thanks guys.

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:53 pm

I do not self-identify as a "Bush supporter." I cannot take ownership of labels that others might assign. I do recognize our President has had positive accomplishments. I do not believe in allowing others to limit me. The following information was taken from http://boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm and http://boycottliberalism.com/BushII.htm :

January 2001

President Bush authorizes White House Office of Community Initiatives.

February 2001

President Bush releases platform for tax relief.

May 2001

President Bush announces formation of a Social Security Commission.

June 2001

President Bush signs bill reducing Federal Income Tax Rates.

July 2001

President Bush unviels Medicare initiative.

September 2001

President Bush signs Authorization for Use of Military Force Bill.

October 2001

President Bush establishes the Office of Homeland security.

November 2001

President Bush signs bill to improve the quality of military housing.

December 2001

Presdient Bush signs the Defense Authorization Act.

January 2002

President Bush signs Landmark Education bill.

February 2002

President Bush announces plan to strengthen the Peace Corps.

March 2002

President Bush signs Campaign Finance Reform Act.

April 2002

President Bush calls for Crime Victims' Rights Amendment.

May 2002

President Bush and Russian President Putin sign Nuclear Arms Treaty.

June 2002

President Bush signs Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Bill.

July 2002

President Bush signs the Corporate Corruption Bill.

August 2002

President Bush signs the born-Alive Infants Protection Act.

September 2002

President Bush sends Iraq Resolution to Congress.

October 2002

President Bush signs historic election reform into law - Help America Vote Act.

November 2002

President Bush signs Pledge of Allegiance Bill and Homeland Security Act.

December 2002

President Bush signs the National Defense Authorization Act.

January 2003

President Bush signs National Flood Insurance Act.

February 2003

President Bush meets with the National Economic Council.

March 2003

President Bush initiates Operation Iraqi Freedom.

April 2003

President Bush signs the Protect Act - Amber Alert Bill.

May 2003

President Bush signs U.S. - Singapore Free Trade Agreement.

June 2003

President Bush and Russian President Putin sign Traety of moscow.

July 2003

Uday and Qusay Hussein are killed during raid in Iraq.

September 2003

President Bush signs the Do Not Call Registry.

October 2003

President Bush signs the Homeland Security Appropriations bill.

November 2003

President Bush signs Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003.

December 2003

Saddam Hussein is captured in Iraq.

January 2004

President Bush celebrates 2nd anniversary of the No Child left Behind Act.

February 2004

President Bush calls for a Constitutional Amendment protecting marriage.

March 2004

President Bush welcomes seven nations to the NATO Alliance.

April 2004

President Bush signs the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004.

May 2004

President Bush honors the nation's fallen law enforcement officers.

June 2004

President Bush presents the Medal of Freedom to Pope John Paul II.

July 2004

President Bush signs the African Growth and Opportunity Act.

August 2004

President Bush signs an executive order establishing National Counterterrorism Center.

September 2004

President Bush proposes new "opportunity zones."

October 2004

President Bush signs the Working Families Tax relief Act of 2004.

November 2004

President Bush nominates Condoleazza Rice as Secretary of State.

December 2004

President Bush signs the Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of 2004.

January 2005

President Bush congratulates Iraqis on election.

February 2005

President Bush signs the Class-Action Fairness Act of 2005.

March 2005

President Bush honors Jackie Robinson at Congressional Gold Medal Ceremony.

April 2005

President Bush presents the Medal of honor to Sergeant First Class Paul Ray Smith.

May 2005

President Bush discusses Social Security at Latino Coalition Conference.

June 2005

President Bush hosts the United States - European Union Summit.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:00 pm

Thank you.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:03 am

Far Rider wrote: I like the way he's visited the troops, I like that he addresses them with respect for a job well done.

There have been a number of occasions where he shows up without the press, and he quietly goes from room to room, I ve been told he does not know then as he visits randomly... it takes a lot of guts to step into a mans room not knowing his condition or if he supports you or not politically.Especially considering that, for better or worse, he is there supporting your order. Gotta respect that.

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:20 am

Accountable wrote: Ooooooooh! So close! That #4 doesn't really qualify as an attack, does it Ben?
All of them except #1 in nvalleyvee's list attack Clinton or a democrat to some extent.

ChiptBeef couldn't come up with anything and just posted links from http://boycottliberalism.com :wah:

Come on, it can't be that hard. I can come up with a few. In no particular order:

* Reacted quickly and effectively to the 9/11 attack (flopstock mentioned this)

* Removed a brutal dictator from power

* Committed billions of dollars to fight AIDs

* Provided a endless supply of material for comedians

* Was responsible for creating jobs in liberal talk radio

Okay, so the last two are sarcastic. I could only come up with 3 accomplishments.

Come on, help me understand why you support him.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:03 pm

Here's why I personally support him.

#1 and always #1. He is our Commander-in-Chief. I support him exactly as I supported Clinton, Bush, and Reagan before him.

#2. With all the blustering and complaining, no one has brought charges against him.

#3. He makes decisions and leads through strong conviction.

#4. He does not micromanage the military

#5. He leads his country with the same respect, loyalty, and love as he apparently leads his family.

I can stand proudly and say the same about Bill Clinton on #1 and #5.

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:35 pm

Fifty positive accomplishments from my prior post isn't enough. Here's fifty-one. Today the stock market hit the 11,000 mark. The first time since September 11, 2001. It made all the front-pages when it happened under Slick Willie's presidency. What's "good for the goose is good for the gander," right?

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:41 pm

I still don't understand why Bush has the support he does. Most of the responses have been more ideological or emotional than of actual accomplishments. Someone listed things he HASN'T done as accomplishments.

As far as the economy, there was virtually no growth in jobs after Bush's first four years in office. Average income is down from when he took office and poverty is up. His policies have resulted in record budget and trade deficits. We went from record surpluses to record deficits. The U.S. debt has increased by 2-1/2 TRILLION dollars during the past five years. An economy based on debt is not a healthy economy. When Bush took office in 2001, the Dow was right around 11,000 and after five years, it finally got back up to that level. How that's an accomplishment is beyond me.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:46 pm

Benjamin wrote: I still don't understand why Bush has the support he does. Most of the responses have been more ideological or emotional than of actual accomplishments.

As far as the economy, there was virtually no growth in jobs after Bush's first four years in office. Average income is down from when he took office and poverty is up. His policies have resulted in record budget and trade deficits. We went from record surpluses to record deficits. The U.S. debt has increased by 2-1/2 TRILLION dollars during the past five years. An economy based on debt is not a healthy economy. When Bush took office in 2001, the Dow was right around 11,000 and after five years, it finally got back up to that level. How that's an accomplishment is beyond me.
I agree that Bush should have used the veto many times. He never did, not once. That could have reigned in this out-of-control spending Congress is addicted to.

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:12 pm

Accountable wrote: I agree that Bush should have used the veto many times. He never did, not once. That could have reigned in this out-of-control spending Congress is addicted to.
It's not only pork spending, but all the money we're spending on the war and the tax cuts that are causing the problem.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:31 pm

Benjamin wrote: It's not only pork spending, but all the money we're spending on the war and the tax cuts that are causing the problem.Some economists argue that tax cuts kept us out of a recession.

I'm certain you and I disagree on how much involvement the gov't should have in our lives. We can discuss that if you wish. Had Congress acted more responsibly and/or Bush used his veto pen to curtail the pork, we probably would still be in a deficit, but it would be because of the war, rather than waste.

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:56 pm

Accountable wrote: Some economists argue that tax cuts kept us out of a recession.
Some economists argue that tax cuts do very little to stimulate the economy. For example, in the early 90s Clinton raised taxes and what followed was the longest period of economic expansion in U.S. history. You can find an economist to back any economic policy. Their theories often seem to be politically motivated.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:35 pm

Benjamin wrote: Some economists argue that tax cuts do very little to stimulate the economy. For example, in the early 90s Clinton raised taxes and what followed was the longest period of economic expansion in U.S. history. You can find an economist to back any economic policy. Their theories often seem to be politically motivated.
:-6 no doubt

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:18 am

flopstock wrote: He did sign into law that landmark 'annoying internet user' law..

Just as Slick Willie signed the landmark telecommunications law that was the basis for the "annoying internet user" law. But he gets a free pass, right?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:45 am

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Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:06 am

flopstock wrote: He did sign into law that landmark 'annoying internet user' law..

He only signed that because people were making fun of him when he went into chat rooms.

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:50 pm

Benjamin wrote: He only signed that because people were making fun of him when he went into chat rooms.
Got any links to those sites or posts, or was that another assumption?

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:53 pm

flopstock wrote: there may have been
Speculation, speculation, speculation..... let's try to get a few more dancing angels on the head of that pin.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:57 pm

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ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:21 pm

Well, if the kitchen is too hot for you....:driving:.... debate is out of the question.