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So Americans are getting fat?

I'm not surprised because they have been trusting their purveyors of fast

food to make sure that their food was not only inexpensive, but, that it

be nutritional too.

Guess what folks? They chose the profits instead of keeping their clientel

healthy and buying for a long time to come.

In the early seventies I became involved in a food cooperative. I am not a

communist. I am not a socialist. If anything, I am a Liberal (Canadian style).

What caused me to become a founding father of the food coop movement in

Ontario was the fact that it focussed, not on politics, but on healthy

living through understanding the foods you were eating.

Our food prices were about fifty percent of what you would pay at

the cheaper supermarket, as opposed to corner neighbourhood, stores.

This was only a bonus because the real winning point was being able

to study and understand our food consumption.

It was so successful that one of the, and now most, major food

distributors copied, for all intents and purposes, out template of

distribution e.g. bulk foods.

It is this facet that gave rise to the rise of the Health Food Movement

in North America( not that we were the center of the universe.a lot

of our info came from the states.) In Toronto, many of the members made

their mark in the business world by opening up Health Food stores, many

of which are still operating today.

There are two kinds of people that came out of the project. Those that

grew physically and those that remained about the same. Those that grew, needless to say, were the ones that forgot what they had learned and

went willy-nilly into the future with a diet that just wasn't cutting it. The

good life, as they know now, has its drawbacks. Too much of a good thing

comes into play at this point.

The others are basically the same but far fitter.

More Americans should get back into studying their dietary intake. They

should learn to regulate the nutrition that they need. Eating fresh,

healthy foods will give them the energy to get up out of their seats and

partake in moving things,other than hot air, around. Once you get the gist

of what's going on then you are home free and hanging around this planet

a lot longer, that is unless you get hit by a car.

Just a friendly reminder. Not putting anyone down. Eat in good health

by eating healthy food.
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Americans ARE a fat lot overall. i attribute it to many things, one is lack of education, one is growing up on junk food, and one is poverty, the cheapest stuff contains the most empty calories. there is the pizza and burger culture here, and what is most disturbing is i see obese parents with very obese children. my British friend here last week even noticed it and commented. on any given day i can walk through walmart and i see 350 pound women and wonder if they don't own mirrors. men too, but women more. and despite the rare "glandular" condition, it is self-imposed for whatever psychological reasons. i KNOW it is hard to get weight off, i am NOT slamming "fat" people, but the fact is this country lives on fast food, potato chips, soda, etc. and it shows. when i was a kid we did not even know what junk food was, and we were out playing (ie excercising) all day long. we were not a fat generation. nor was my parents' generation. this is a disaster for our times, and creates myriad health problems. these children who have already stored twice the fat cells they need are going to be morbidly obese very young. it will affect everything from childbearing to quality of life.
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There is hardly any physical activity in gym classes at my daughters school, nothing to get the heart pumping and the legs burning...



When we were kids the nuns would have us exhausted :D we had gym at least 3 times a week... now they do it once a week (and sometimes that class is grouped in with a health presentation - like film, etc with no activity)
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lady cop wrote: . it will affect everything from childbearing to quality of life.


Exactly my point.
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>>^..^ There is hardly any physical activity in gym classes at my daughters school, nothing to get the heart pumping and the legs burning...



When we were kids the nuns would have us exhausted :D we had gym at least 3 times a week... now they do it once a week (and sometimes that class is grouped in with a health presentation - like film, etc with no activity)


Can't see the forest for the trees.
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posted by kensloft

In the early seventies I became involved in a food cooperative. I am not a

communist. I am not a socialist. If anything, I am a Liberal (Canadian style).


Interesting you seem to feel the need to be defensive about being in a co-operative.

We have similar issues here, McDonalds and Birger King now advertise their healthy options of salds and other stuff. Has there been a similar response in the US. It has been mooted that unheaklthy foods be taxed to discourage people from buying them. Different attitude perhaps as it is costing the NHS a small fortune to treat the consequences of obesity.
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Sheer laziness. THAT'S what is to blame for America's obesity. People are suing McDonald's and others because they eat it 12 times a week!!! Guess what??? YOU'RE GONNA GET FAT IF YOU ONLY EAT CRAP!!!!! Get up off your fannies and move. Go for a walk, take the stairs, anything. If people would quit blaming food companies for their own sloth-like lifestyles and start holding themselves accountable, we wouldn't be the most overweight nation in the world.
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gmc wrote: Interesting you seem to feel the need to be defensive about being in a co-operative.

We have similar issues here, McDonalds and Birger King now advertise their healthy options of salds and other stuff. Has there been a similar response in the US. It has been mooted that unheaklthy foods be taxed to discourage people from buying them. Different attitude perhaps as it is costing the NHS a small fortune to treat the consequences of obesity. And if your Skinny-ma-link, you are considered to be Anorexic or have Aids. You cannot win.
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gmc wrote: Interesting you seem to feel the need to be defensive about being in a co-operative.

We have similar issues here, McDonalds and Birger King now advertise their healthy options of salds and other stuff. Has there been a similar response in the US. It has been mooted that unheaklthy foods be taxed to discourage people from buying them. Different attitude perhaps as it is costing the NHS a small fortune to treat the consequences of obesity.


Not being defensive at all. Just clarifying my position. Too many people jump to conclusions, like you did, when the word cooperative is used.
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posted by kensloft

Not being defensive at all. Just clarifying my position. Too many people jump to conclusions, like you did, when the word cooperative is used.


What concluscion do you think I jumped to? I just thought it odd you felt the need to clarify that's all. No matter. In the UK there are now farmer's markets and co-operatives springing up selling direct to the public at weekend markets. Quite interesting actually-well the beer was :D

It is more due to concerns about our food that this is happening, many are now wary of buying from some supermarkets, they want to know whether stuff is genetically modified and that meat is hormone free.

There is rumblings of a trade war with the US about it, The EEC requires labelling of all genetically modified crops and the US take this as simply being a tactic to stop US corn and meat imports. It's not our supermarkets were forced to remove such stuff from the shelves as it was being boycotted. Now some are sneaking it in quietly.

http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/contentloo ... N=76335006

After the farce of BSE and foot and mouth and a few well publicised salmonella outbrealks traced back to abbatoir practice the British public are ever so slightly cynical when the government says stuff is safe to eat.
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gmc wrote: What concluscion do you think I jumped to? I just thought it odd you felt the need to clarify that's all. No matter. In the UK there are now farmer's markets and co-operatives springing up selling direct to the public at weekend markets. Quite interesting actually-well the beer was :D

It is more due to concerns about our food that this is happening, many are now wary of buying from some supermarkets, they want to know whether stuff is genetically modified and that meat is hormone free.

There is rumblings of a trade war with the US about it, The EEC requires labelling of all genetically modified crops and the US take this as simply being a tactic to stop US corn and meat imports. It's not our supermarkets were forced to remove such stuff from the shelves as it was being boycotted. Now some are sneaking it in quietly.

http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/contentloo ... N=76335006

After the farce of BSE and foot and mouth and a few well publicised salmonella outbrealks traced back to abbatoir practice the British public are ever so slightly cynical when the government says stuff is safe to eat. hmmm and the Mad cow
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That is the thing about co-operating with your neighbour for your food. You are both on the lookout for good food and good prices. A lot of the packaging that goes into food presentation does nothing but add to the price. It's pretty but you can't eat it.

More greenhouse gasses when you make them. More greenhouse gasses when you destroy them. A veritable catch-22. It was better to leave the trees on the ground getting rid of the co2 than going through the process of adding gas to the environment.

You find yourself forgetting about why you are buying the food in the first place and are focussing on the pretty packaging, instead.

Properly identifying the nutrients in the food is a wiser method of using the packaging that is used today. (another offshoot from the movement was forcing the food manufacturers to detail what was in their products) If its always in your face, like the golden arches or what have you, then the details of what you are eating will help you to keep on track for a healthier life.

Educating the uneducated is the key. Fortunately, almost everyone is uneducated so, we're starting on an even playing field.
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Forum Fat, right here is one of the problems. Eating correctly is common sense. We as a country are not getiing FAT, we are FAT. Need a Fat Forum so people can discuss their diets? hahahahahaha :wah:
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Paula wrote: Forum Fat, right here is one of the problems. Eating correctly is common sense. We as a country are not getiing FAT, we are FAT. Need a Fat Forum so people can discuss their diets? hahahahahaha :wah: :wah:
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Paula wrote: Forum Fat, right here is one of the problems. Eating correctly is common sense. We as a country are not getiing FAT, we are FAT. Need a Fat Forum so people can discuss their diets? hahahahahaha :wah:


Now's your chance to set up a specific forum. Hopefully not only fat people can join.
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I think Convenience rather than Junk is the correct term for this food. Although it is junk the companies that provide it know how to site their outlets. I was stunned on a recent visit to the USA by the sheer quantity of these places.

Every mile or so is a strip mall that contains at least 3 fast food outlets, on one mile long stretch I counted 23 of them. If I lived there I would be in the damn things all the time basically because it is easy I dont even really like the food. Over here I exsist during the day on sandwiches from our godawful service stations because I spend so long driving, I know it's a crap excuse but there you are.

I guess if I were a parent of 4 or 5 kids maybe on my own, a burger and chips may seem a quick cheap alternative to getting all the raw ingredients to make a meal from scratch. I am not excusing it but I think this is one of the reasons it happens.
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Has anyone read the book that was popular a couple of years ago.. cant remember the name.. It was sort of an expose on the fast food industry? Two incredible points stuck with me.. Our menu is designed to keep you eating here from the cradle to the grave.. and that they develope formulas like the fat salt ratio in the foods.. that keep the human body craving more...I get very upset about the advertising regarding salads for fast food restaurants. Those salads are not the same as making your own salad. The greens are coated with an enhancer that enables the restaurants to keep the greens longer. Its aimed at the dieters.. we will keep you eating here too.. My mom was a great cook, Still is.

There was not one pizza delivered to my house when I was a kid. No soda, candy, chips etc.. My parents didnt have the money for that stuff. but my mom didnt believe in it either, I owe so many physical benefits to my mom. Good eyes,

no gum diseses..good bones, clear skin. I truly believe it camr from the Escarole,

world of vegetables,chicken, grain breads. and fruits that she fed us. Good diet during pregnancy does contribute to the delivery of a healthy child. I too am appaled at the sight of grossly obesce young women. Im not rail thin.. despite the good diet.. but to live that way at a young age is a sure ticket to poor health in later years. What a shame.
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Okay.. my two cents for what it is worth. First of all it is not just the fast food industry. Look at all the convience foods being offered by supermarkets, retail stores (KMart, Walmart.. etc). All of these foods are high in fat, sugar, preservatives .. etc. Hell eat enuff of this stuff and you will not have to be embalmed when you die, and trust me eating this crud will help you die that much quicker. Second point, portion size. We are convinced that bigger is better... Supersize this.. Mega size that. You don't need to drink a gallon of soda with an oversized burger with a ten pound package of fries. There is no way that your body can burn off that number of calories without some serious exercise.. which brings me to point number 3... get of the sofa moron. Put down the game contoller or remote, hoist your lazy butt off the sofa or out of the barcalounger and move. I am not saying that you have to be pumping iron 5 days a week at a gym but do something active. Your heart is a muscle.. it needs exercise.. Now the point that will probably get me in trouble. Obesity has become socially exceptable... by that I mean that if you call someone fat you are infringing on thier rights. There are people that have a genetic disposition to obesity.. and I will be the first one to say that making fun of them is wrong and that they do need help. It is the people that eat at fast food restaurants every freaking day, do a half gallon of Ben and Jerry's Phish Food (very yummy stuff and my personal fav), then wash it down with a liter of diet Dr. Pepper while they watch endless movies on HBO that are the problem. I am endlessly amused watching what others buy at the supermarket. All ready made pop it in the oven meals.. Doesn't anyone know how to cook anymore.. I mean really cook or bake.. No wonder they can't fit in an airline seat.. or a seat at the theater. These are the ones that I have a problem with. And kids see this and think there is nothing wrong with it. Then the young girls dress like Britney Spears.. of course that is a whole different topic.. Diabetes is running rampant. Heart disease is taking over... and even better is alot of the over weight people I see are smokers too.. hoo yeah.. double dipper. No wonder my health insurance rates are skyrocketing.. I belong to a gym and you know.. the people I admire are the onest that are trying.. not the life long lifters.. and cardio freaks.. I am not either of those by any stretch of the imagination.. but I can climb a set of stairs without wheezing... and fit in a seat with room to spare. My diet is not perfect.. I love my cocktails.. and all that stuff that is not good for ya.. but I do refrain from making it my daily diet. Common sense people.. that is all it is. okay .. rant over..
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Bothwell wrote:

I guess if I were a parent of 4 or 5 kids maybe on my own, a burger and chips may seem a quick cheap alternative to getting all the raw ingredients to make a meal from scratch. I am not excusing it but I think this is one of the reasons it happens.


Reality is that it is cheaper to buy the fixings but the convenience makes it seem as if you are getting a bargain. The bargain is how lazy you can get to be for not cooking. It's all an illusion that the food sellers use to their advantage time and time again. Fish and chips would probably be a big advantage nutritionally speaking.

Someday, Lord willing and the creek don't rise, the concept of healthy food will come into being the regular fare at restaurants and fast food take outs.
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posted by Paula

Forum Fat, right here is one of the problems. Eating correctly is common sense. We as a country are not getiing FAT, we are FAT. Need a Fat Forum so people can discuss their diets? hahahahahaha


On the other hand there is that category of people who obsessed by dieting. They don't exercise just talk about diets aaaargh!:-5 . Diets are boring and i don't want to listen to what people ate.

As I often say to my scrawny wife. How can more of you be a bad thing?

Joking aside I have just bought a new pair of running shoes. I hate running, I really really really hate running but there is too much of me for my own good.
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gmc wrote: posted by Paula



On the other hand there is that category of people who obsessed by dieting. They don't exercise just talk about diets aaaargh!:-5 . Diets are boring and i don't want to listen to what people ate.

As I often say to my scrawny wife. How can more of you be a bad thing?

Joking aside I have just bought a new pair of running shoes. I hate running, I really really really hate running but there is too much of me for my own good.


Whatever the aims and ambitions of dieters if they aren't getting the right nutrition then all they are doing is destroying their health and undermining their ability to enjoy it (their lives) to the fullest.

Exercising without looking at the nutritional intake will only exacerbate the situation. GMC the last thing that we want is to be hearing about you having a heart attack during one of your jogs. Look into the nutrition that you are taking into your system.

There are any number of books that are available that would decribe the nutrients in the foods that you eat. What vitamins, protein, fats etc. etc. Sit down with these food...table... compositions and figure out what your intake is. In no time at all you'll feel better and because you are nutritionally satisfied. You'll find yourself smiling and running around more with the kids.

It is when your nutrition is out of whack that your body says that it needs something and, as is the wont with people, they will stuff their faces(been there. done that) with foods that will only cover up the yearning that it craves for sustenance. Without getting the nutrient(s) that is needed the eating goes on and on and on etc. Fat people are that way because they don't understand diet. Not dieting. Diet!

Even the American government is changing its take on how to eat properly.
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America is the fattest country in the world. We have too many donut shops, drive thru burger joints, finger lickin stick to your arteries chicken, Quick Food. There are no health food drive thrus, WHY. I love Sprouts, Tofu, Veggie Pockets, Whole Grain Breads, Mock Salads, to name a few healthy options? Subway has processed meats and dead vegetables, bad bread, thats crap too.

Where is the Health Food Connection drive thru? At my age i need all the fiber i can get plus vitamins minus the yeast. Hello, i would like to stay healthy? When is something like this coming to us? ;)
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Paula wrote: America is the fattest country in the world. We have too many donut shops, drive thru burger joints, finger lickin stick to your arteries chicken, Quick Food. There are no health food drive thrus, WHY. I love Sprouts, Tofu, Veggie Pockets, Whole Grain Breads, Mock Salads, to name a few healthy options? Subway has processed meats and dead vegetables, bad bread, thats crap too.

Where is the Health Food Connection drive thru? At my age i need all the fiber i can get plus vitamins minus the yeast. Hello, i would like to stay healthy? When is something like this coming to us? ;)


Well, Paula, now is your chance to go into business. What a great idea!

I opened the first Health Food restaurant in Toronto but my socialist landlords and I didn't see eye to eye on a lot of matters, so... . I didn't claim health food but healthy foods. There are lots of people that probably feel like you do.

One of the things that we did was get to know the farmers. They could use the money and when they know that they are getting a fair shake for their crop they are more than helpful.

One of the problems with natural foods is that because they aren't treated, the crops aren't as huge and, the price differential can be staggering. People choose esthetics over nutrition. If it looks pretty then it must be better.(?)

A lot of the Health Food establishments got caught up in the pill pushing nutrition of enzymes, vitamins, supplements etc. But this usually followed the old owners selling their businesses to new investors. It is easier to stock shelves with bottles of pills than it is to keep rotating the actual food.

Find a wholesaler for whole wheats and the other grains and start a baking spree. There are lots of people that will want your wares. Get a young partner and go to town.

Drive thru... Hot Damn!
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kensloft, i am vested into my business's now and there is no time for another? Some of us like the "better" qualities in life that do not fatten us if available in a hurry or daily, whatever we need real food, hello? You are correct about the organics. It takes the right people to compose food of this type. This is the 70's again, organic! Why can't someone come up with Health Foods & Then Some? Yes i will pay the price too! Ok? :thinking:
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Paula wrote: kensloft, i am vested into my business's now and there is no time for another? Some of us like the "better" qualities in life that do not fatten us if available in a hurry or daily, whatever we need real food, hello? You are correct about the organics. It takes the right people to compose food of this type. This is the 70's again, organic! Why can't someone come up with Health Foods & Then Some? Yes i will pay the price too! Ok? :thinking:


If enough people are talking about it then someone will pick up the gauntlet to deliver the goods. Would that everyone had the requisite finances to enable them to eat properly.

The world is a huge place and if it is properly managed there is no reason that we can't cut back on the required chemicals that are used today. Brazil is opening up and the boats should be down there reaping the harvests for the rest of the world. It'll take time but it will be done, eventually.

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