In Defense of ChiptBeef

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:33 pm

OK---I believe I have read all of ChiptBeef's posts, and while I still reserve judgement on where he's coming from, I read nothing in his posts that indicate he's a troll. Unless you consider posting things that disagree with your own political persuasion or religious convictions to be trolling. I have read far more controversial posts on Forum Garden than those posted by ChiptBeef. I for one will not put him on by IGNORE list--------------yet.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:46 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: I was particularly offended by the link to the site about Dr King and its subsequent racist and anti-semitic rants

There are lots of links that one might find offensive, does that mean that we ostrazise the poster of the link. I have posted links to forums and newsgroups that covered ideas that I don't believe in, but posted for general information. Due we rush to judgement so quickly?

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:54 pm

Lon wrote: There are lots of links that one might find offensive, does that mean that we ostrazise the poster of the link. I have posted links to forums and newsgroups that covered ideas that I don't believe in, but posted for general information. Due we rush to judgement so quickly?

A lot of these things I have heard before, History channel, A&E, PBS, Biography......(The forum blew my mind)....I wasn't expecting it.........I hear worse from Rush,Hannity and O'Riley and Faux News.

Lil~Basco · Post by **Lil~Basco** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:58 pm

I'd enjoy seeing a different side of chipt....funny side, not all these serious posts. I'd like him to show a sense of humor occasionally....play, have some fun!

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:03 pm

Lil~Basco wrote: I'd enjoy seeing a different side of chipt....funny side, not all these serious posts. I'd like him to show a sense of humor occasionally....play, have some fun!

I love your glasses dear.

So would I.........as long as he doesn't copy anyone.

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:03 pm

Lon wrote: There are lots of links that one might find offensive, does that mean that we ostrazise the poster of the link. I have posted links to forums and newsgroups that covered ideas that I don't believe in, but posted for general information. Due we rush to judgement so quickly?

Thank you for a voice of reason. I never endorsed the link personally. I was merely trying to provide information that put forth an opposing view to encourage debate. I despise guilt by association, which is clearly present in this instant case.

I did take notice of that sole link because it contained factual information about Mr. King's plagiarism, but then thought it might be of interest to FarRider since he/she claimed a lack of knowledge of Mr. King. Funny thing is, no one question that claim. What adult in America doesn't have a basic knowledge of Mr. King from the history books in school?

I was offended by the unfounded racist remarks and labels directed towards me, as they had no basis in fact. I was attacked in that manner after only 4 posts as a member of this forum for one day. In my mind, that's very troubling as to a possible double standard as there wasn't a similar level of outrage and reprisal proposed against that member. Just my thoughts and opinions. No links.

Lil~Basco · Post by **Lil~Basco** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:05 pm

StupidCowboyTricks wrote: I love your glasses dear.

So would I.........as long as he doesn't copy anyone.
Why thank you SCT! Better to see you with, my dear!

How 'bout it Chipt? Can ya try having some fun...I know you have it in you!

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:15 pm

Lil~Basco wrote: How 'bout it Chipt? Can ya try having some fun...
I have no objection to fun in the least bit. However, serious times do call for serious people to be serious. I'm just trying to do my part. If others can't take the heat, well.... LET THE FUN BEGIN!!!!!!!

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:26 pm

ChiptBeef wrote: I have no objection to fun in the least bit. However, serious times do call for serious people to be serious. I'm just trying to do my part. If others can't take the heat, well.... LET THE FUN BEGIN!!!!!!!

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Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:26 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: Lon it depends entirely in what context it was posted. In my opinion the build up was intended to trash Dr King. Not only my opinion but that of others. My decision to ignore is mine and should not concern you. I respect your decision to read his blinkered posts please respect my decision to do otherwise

Arnie , you can ignore anything you like. I did not critizise your decision or indicate any concern. Frankly, I could care less.

You are easily offended I suspect.

Lil~Basco · Post by **Lil~Basco** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:32 pm

ChiptBeef wrote: I have no objection to fun in the least bit. However, serious times do call for serious people to be serious. I'm just trying to do my part. If others can't take the heat, well.... LET THE FUN BEGIN!!!!!!!
OMG...don't tell me you are one of those porcupine people??? :-3

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:14 pm

Lon wrote: OK---I believe I have read all of ChiptBeef's posts, and while I still reserve judgement on where he's coming from, I read nothing in his posts that indicate he's a troll. Unless you consider posting things that disagree with your own political persuasion or religious convictions to be trolling. I have read far more controversial posts on Forum Garden than those posted by ChiptBeef. I for one will not put him on by IGNORE list--------------yet.

Even if hes a full blown racist so what ? Im not in the business of mind control. If he has something to say he has a right to say it.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:20 pm

Every Gardener has a right to post whatever he/she will within limits.

I have a right to be offended at overt and covert bigotry such as ChiptBeef has shown.

I have a right to ignore whom I will.

I have an obligation to my friends to warn them against offensive people.

I have an obligation to voice my concern to my community when I detect a disengenuous detriment to the community.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:23 pm

Nomad wrote: Even if hes a full blown racist so what ? Im not in the business of mind control. If he has something to say he has a right to say it.

DITTO!!!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:26 pm

Accountable wrote: Every Gardener has a right to post whatever he/she will within limits.

I have a right to be offended at overt and covert bigotry such as ChiptBeef has shown.

I have a right to ignore whom I will.

I have an obligation to my friends to warn them against offensive people.

I have an obligation to voice my concern to my community when I detect a disengenuous detriment to the community.

Of course ! No argument here.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:35 pm

ACC, I thank you for the headsup.. I followed your lead sir and put the dude on IGNORE.. long ago..

I value your opinion it's good enough for me any day..

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:42 pm

Accountable wrote: I have a right to be offended at overt and covert bigotry such as ChiptBeef has shown.
Yet another statement with no basis in fact. Spin, spin, spin... in my opinion.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:53 pm

I dont know dude, maybe your message would carry more weight if you werent creamed beef ? I think that sends out an oogy vibe. Try changing your name to chicken ala king or something else ???

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:13 pm

Nomad wrote: I dont know dude, maybe your message would carry more weight if you werent creamed beef ? I think that sends out an oogy vibe.
It's a matter of heritage. It's something I grew up with, and of course my mother made the best I've ever had.

I think it goes much deeper than a screen name. When you challenge the staus quo, you often become a target, like Mr. King. He stood up to the establishment and was even jailed. Since a select minority here cannot control me, they try to impose sanctions of their own (i.e. call for a massive use of the "ignore list"). That didn't come as too much of a surprise, based on prior attempts at intimidation.

Accountable Post #33, "Alito Confirmation" thread, General Forums, Current Events:

"If you are concerned about inclusion, note that you have not been banned."

As if he has the ability to make that happen, even though I have done nothing that would warrant such actions. To the contrary, one of the threads I posted about Hillary Clinton's false FEC reports was closed by accident. When I inquired, I was assured by forum officials that I had not violated any forum rules. But, that doesn't stop Accountable. He calls for a psuedo "ban" of his own. If the select minority is unable to debate, it's just as well that they make themselves invisible.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:42 pm

Well ok then but I still think chicken ala king would open some doors for you

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:24 pm

Nomad wrote: Well ok then but I still think chicken ala king would open some doors for you
Then "Lobster Thermador" should even earn me the love of Jives, right? :yh_hugs

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:17 am

OK, I'm jumping in here even though I haven't been around much lately and don't have the full picture of what's been happening. From what I"ve seen so far, (and I'll be looking around more) I see CB as having some very different views from the the largely tolerant group we have. Most of you know my views on topics such as these, and have not ostracized me. Granted, CB is going through a "probationary" period, as it were, just as every poster does. We are all skeptical until someone has been around a while. Also granted that if he would take part in the more light-hearted threads, we'd be less wary.

(As I'm typing this I'm cringing at the "we" and "them" lean my statements are making.)

I for one can see where he's coming from in a lot of the stuff I've read from him. I can relate. He sounds somewhat like me in a lot of his posts. But you all tolerate my views.

See where I'm headed with this? I won't be ignoring CB until and unless I have reason to. So far, I don't. A radically different viewpoint isn't enough to warrant discarding his input.

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:32 am

BabyRider wrote: A radically different viewpoint isn't enough to warrant discarding his input.
Millions of people world-wide oppose certain aspects of liberalism, and the subsequent bi-products that emerge. I do not consider that "a radically different viewpoint." I consider that reasonably main-stream. I'm just not big on group-think. I like "thinking outside the box." Diversity is good.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:42 am

posted by chiptbeef

Millions of people world-wide oppose certain aspects of liberalism, and the subsequent bi-products that emerge. I do not consider that "a radically different viewpoint." I consider that reasonably main-stream. I'm just not big on group-think. I like "thinking outside the box." Diversity is good.

You need to stick around. There is actually a cery wide spectrum of people, cultures and attitudes apparent on this forum and on some issues deep and passionate disagreement that get expressed without falling in to yaboo arguements all the time.

Reasonably main stream means what exactly? Try explaining what you mean to someone on the other side of the planet where a liberal is a cuddly inoffensive midle of the road politician and where if you claim to be a socialist the next question is what kind of socialist.

Given how much america owes to liberalism what aspects of a believe in individual liberty and social responsibility offend you?

I'm curious, is all you can do spout bits of the last pamphlet you read and post links to controversial articles or is there more substance there?

From the Oxford English dictionary

liberal

Ã¢â‚¬¢ adjective 1 willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from oneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s own. 2 (of a society, law, etc.) favourable to individual rights and freedoms. 3 (in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate reform.

Now tell what what is so objectionable about being a liberal? It seems to me in America those who oppose individual liberty have managed to change the meaning in to a convenient insult.

What's chipped beef by the way?

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:54 am

Whats chipped beef? Oh darling! You need to go to a new york deli! Or a southern resteraunt! New york serves it up on a sandwhich from heaven and the south serves it up with biscuits and gravy from hell!

Chipped Beef

1910 Manual for Army Cooks

Recipe no. 251

Yield: 60 men

Portion: not given

INGREDIENTS WEIGHTS MEASURES

Chipped beef 15 lb ---

Fat, butter preferred

Flour, browned in fat 1 lb

1-1/4 lb ---

---

Evaporated milk, 12 oz can

Parsley

Pepper ---

---

1/4 oz 2 cans

1 bunch

---

Beef stock --- 6 qt

Method:

Melt the fat in the pan, and add the flour; when it has been cooked a few minutes, add the milk, dissolved in the beef stock, or water. Stir the batter in slowly to prevent lumping, and then add the beef. Cook a few minutes, add the parsley, and serve on toast.

Notes:

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:56 am

And to rest of you good 'ol boys,

.........We already fought the civil war. The north won, so give this racist crap a rest will you?

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:31 am

Raven wrote: And to rest of you good 'ol boys,

.........We already fought the civil war. The north won, so give this racist crap a rest will you?
What's the Civil War got to do with this thread? What "racist crap?" Could you define the label "good 'ol boys?"

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:36 am

posted by raven

Whats chipped beef? Oh darling! You need to go to a new york deli! Or a southern resteraunt! New york serves it up on a sandwhich from heaven and the south serves it up with biscuits and gravy from hell!

Chipped Beef

Just for a minute there I couldn't understand what an essex girl was doing giving out recipes then I remembered you're a yank in white stilettos:sneaky:

Sound fairly disgusting but then most foreign food does until you try it. What kind of biscuits? Digestive, Rich Tea?

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:42 am

Have you read this thread? You obviously posted something about MLK that upset a few folks. And based on that upset, the underlying theme of this is the old civil war flaring up again. Now if you want to research the political schemes and reasoning of the those times, you will find ample material on-line. But this whole argument has been done before. The Americans call it the civil war. 1860-1865. The north won when robert e. lee surrendered at the appomattox court house. The issues that followed the war, which they called reconciliation, including the assination of lincoln, is where you will find this very same argument.

Good 'ol boys, refers to the mindset of the south. Tongue in cheek remark, I assure you.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:45 am

gmc wrote: posted by raven

Just for a minute there I couldn't understand what an essex girl was doing giving out recipes then I remembered you're a yank in white stilettos:sneaky:

Sound fairly disgusting but then most foreign food does until you try it. What kind of biscuits? Digestive, Rich Tea?
LOL!! nope, the biscuits I refer to are buttermilk bicuits. Very similar to scones without the fruit. Want the recipe?:yh_bigsmi

chrisb84uk · Post by **chrisb84uk** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:46 am

Raven wrote: LOL!! nope, the biscuits I refer to are buttermilk bicuits. Very similar to scones without the fruit. Want the recipe?:yh_bigsmi

OOOOOOOOOh I love Scones!!!! Where can I get some of these buttermilk biscuits, they sound lovely!!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:52 am

chrisb84uk wrote: OOOOOOOOOh I love Scones!!!! Where can I get some of these buttermilk biscuits, they sound lovely!!
Gawd they are! Here it is!

----- Now You're Cooking! v4.20 [Meal-Master Export Format]

Title: Easy Buttermilk Biscuits

Categories: breads, breakfast, biscuit, sthrn/livng

Yield: 16 biscuits

2 1/2 c flour; all-purpose

3 ts baking powder

1 ts salt

1/2 ts soda

1/3 c butter; melted

1 c buttermilk

Combine flour, baking powder, salt, and soda. Add butter and

buttermilk and stir to form a sticky dough. Knead a few times on a

lfoured board to make a smooth ball. Roll out to 1/2 inch thickness.

Cut into 2 inch rounds. Place biscuits on greased cookie sheets.

Bake at 450 degrees for 10 to 12 minutes.

SOURCE: Southern Living Magazine, sometime in the 1970's. Typed for

you by Nancy Coleman.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:56 am

I knew a lady that made what she called "grease biscuits." My wife asked for the recipe. When the lady got her breath back from laughing so hard, here's the recipe.

1. Get a broad bowl (wide and shallow). Hers was wood and abut 18 inches across.

2. Put some self-rising flour in it. She filled it about half.

3. Get some grease (shortening), how much depends on how big you want the biscuit.

4. Drop it in the flour and work it with your hand until it feels about right

5. Put it on the cookie sheet and make another biscuit.

6. Bake. "What temperature?" we asked. "What do you mean?" she responded (her oven was ancient and she used pliers to adjust the gas, as the knobs were long gone). "Okay, for how long?" "Till they're done!" She answered irritably.

They were delicious!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:58 am

thats priceless AC!:yh_laugh

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:05 am

ChiptBeef wrote: What's the Civil War got to do with this thread? What "racist crap?" Could you define the label "good 'ol boys?"

Ahh creamed beef you came to take everyone on eh ? HeHeHe have your fun.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:10 am

boobs come in all shapes and sizes, eh nomad?;)

ChiptBeef · Post by **ChiptBeef** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:13 am

Raven wrote: Have you read this thread?
Yes, I have. Have you read the title of the thread? Mr. King was a civil rights leader in the 1950's and 1960's. You are obviously getting the "civil rights movement" confused with the "Civil War." This thread has nothing to do with the "theme of this... civil war flaring up again." You might find a thread like that in the "History" forum. Unless, of course, you are simply trying to add fuel to a fire that shouldn't be burning in the first place. Since you brought it up, could you define "the mindset of the south?"

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:18 am

Raven wrote: boobs come in all shapes and sizes, eh nomad?;)

We should discuss this.

In detail.

Also I would like to note that a picture is worth a thousand words.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:19 am

Nomad wrote: We should discuss this.

In detail.

Also I would like to note that a picture is worth a thousand words.

:wah: ... :sneaky:

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:27 am

ChiptBeef wrote: Yes, I have. Have you read the title of the thread? Mr. King was a civil rights leader in the 1950's and 1960's. You are obviously getting the "civil rights movement" confused with the "Civil War." This thread has nothing to do with the "theme of this... civil war flaring up again." You might find a thread like that in the "History" forum. Unless, of course, you are simply trying to add fuel to a fire that shouldn't be burning in the first place. Since you brought it up, could you define "the mindset of the south?"
Obviously you havent paid much attention in school. Let me educate you then.

First and formost, the civil rights movement is TOTALLY based upon the civil war. Most of the blacks in the U.S. are decendants of slaves. Get it? Whites owned them. They were classified as property. On the same lists as cattle and poultry. Shameful though that is. The southern mindset has always been not seeing them as fellow humans. If you knew anything about the state of existence for those people, you wouldnt have the cheek for bringing it up.

Their rights as human beings was totally denied them by the white majority south. They NEEDED someone like Martin Luther King. I assume you are white? Well at least you dont have to worry about someone burning a cross in your front yard. Or being blown up as you worship in your church. This is still going on. But I digress.

The civil war was fought because a number of states decided to secede from the union. The reasons are varied. But one of the issues formost stated was the abolition of slavery in the south. The south felt slaves were necessary to keep up the work on the plantations, as the south was mostly agricultural. Living in virginia you should know this.

chrisb84uk · Post by **chrisb84uk** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:28 am

Nomad wrote: We should discuss this.

In detail.

Also I would like to note that a picture is worth a thousand words.

:wah: Good to see that despite the New Year, Nomad hasn't changed one bit!!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:29 am

the mindset of the south?"

It was never more apparent to me after I moved down south that the mindset that caused the civil war in the first place still lives and breathes. The differences were mind blowing, it was like being sucked into a vacuum. The north and south are still quite different in regards to racial issues (for the most part)

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:29 am

Nomad wrote: We should discuss this.

In detail.

Also I would like to note that a picture is worth a thousand words.
LOL! cheeky monkey!