Legalized Prostitution

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:05 am

Should prostitution be legalized? Why or why not?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:31 am

we know it's the oldest profession. and it is NEVER going away. but today it is driven by drugs, most prostitutes are addicts needing money for a fix or crack , or a pimp. forget "Pretty Woman". that's a false image of the reality of dirty street life and AIDS and death that i see. 30 year old females who look 55. emaciation. murder, as they are vulnerable to the serial killer trucker culture that is rampant. maybe 1% is high-priced and "classy". the rest is down and dirty and consumed by disease and drugs. and producing crack-addicted babies by the score. if you are talking regulated nevada prostitution that's one thing, but for the rest of the country, it's the road to DEATH.where does the hooker go after her "charms" fade? and in fact the nevada experiment wasn't all it was touted to be. the "girls" were society's throwaways and always will be. if anyone thinks regulation and legalization will solve societal problems i would strongly disagree since only a certain element would apply. the females are not only trying to survive, it's 90% drug-driven today. which is not the road to survival or a happy retirement. or grandkids and normalcy. with few exceptions.i.e. the ones who get out of the life very early. before they are ravaged by disease, drugs, prison and males who kill them.

beautyful · Post by **beautyful** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:06 am

even if prostitution is legalised then it will still have a stigma attached to it and i don't think anything is gonna make it 'acceptable' in society.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:56 am

Amsterdam seems to control the prostitutes & brothels ok. Can't ever see it being legalised in the uk though.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:58 pm

Peg wrote: Should prostitution be legalized? Why or why not?

Don't be ridiculous. Prostitution *is* legal.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:45 pm

Bill Sikes wrote: Don't be ridiculous. Prostitution *is* legal.
???? EXPLAIN YERSELF PLEASE MR SIKES..

Last i heard it was illegal to solicite.

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 4:43 pm

why should it be legal to be a HOME WRECKER??? People, as there are men too who provide sexual services, have no feelings...you just don't share your toothbrush with the world? the industry DRAWS its own kind, a very low level of life..smells like a STINK bug to me. :wah:

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:13 pm

Prostitution was finally made legal here in New Zealand (population 4 million) in June of 1993. It decriminalises prostitution and establishes a legal framework around the sex industry, with licensed brothels operating under public health and employment laws..People connected with the industry are called sex workers.

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:10 am

I am not sure of anywhere in the Uk that has "Legal" prostitution, I do know however that ceratinly Edinburgh and Nottingham have a sort of Look the other way policy.

No law will ever stamp out sex, some people look for it in prostitution always have always will. Do you want it regulated in some way and kept out of residential areas and schools. Regulated may also take away some of the pimps and other criminals who earn off the girls.

I honestly believe that there are some dangerous individuals out there who if not able to pay for no emotion sex would start comitting crimes on unwilling females.

As for the "Home Wrecker" tag I am sure working girls are just lining up to settle down with the next man who pays them for a back street "Encounter".

As ever Ladycop you give us the truth about what actually happens, I just do not think you will ever stop it so do you drive it further underground or shine a light on it.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:26 am

abbey wrote: ???? EXPLAIN YERSELF PLEASE MR SIKES..

Last i heard it was illegal to solicite.

That's right. Prostitution is legal under many circumstances, though. A quick

google will show you details. Approximately, no public street solicitation.

Individual prostitutes only, not brothels. Advertisements OK unless very

graphic. Kerb crawling law prohibits men from soliciting a women for prostitution

on the street or in a public place. If more than one prostitute in a house, it

is a "brothel", which is prohibited. Pimping ("living off immoral earnings") is

prohibited, too.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:31 am

Bothwell wrote: I am not sure of anywhere in the Uk that has "Legal" prostitution

Prostitution is legal. Solicitation is not.

Bothwell wrote: I honestly believe that there are some dangerous individuals out there who if not able to pay for no emotion sex would start comitting crimes on unwilling females.

This seems quite likely - to an extent pronography of any sort may be similarly

"beneficial", 'cos if "they" can go off & fantasise in the comfort of their own

place, they may just not go out and do awful things.

However, I have grave doubts about the relative benefits/problems of a free-

for-all

Bothwell wrote: As for the "Home Wrecker" tag I am sure working girls are just lining up to settle down with the next man who pays them for a back street "Encounter".

It takes two to tango, as they say. If you've got someone who can't keep

themselves for their "other half", then IMO you've got a bad 'un.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:33 am

Paula wrote: the (sex) industry DRAWS its own kind, a very low level of life..smells like a STINK bug to me.

I absolutely agree with the above. Not sure what a "stink bug" is, though,

but the expressed sentiments are dead on.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:31 am

posted by Bothwell

I am not sure of anywhere in the Uk that has "Legal" prostitution, I do know however that ceratinly Edinburgh and Nottingham have a sort of Look the other way policy.

Edinburgh used to have "red light" or tolerance zone areas where the police turned a blind eye to street prostitutes, the derelict area where it was located has since been renovated and the areas no longer exists. The saunas and massage parlours are essentially legal brothels if you want to you can just go there, the girls reportedly are safer and it is also more discreet.

The tolerance zone was confined to one area and safer for the girls and the criminal involvement was apparently less. In glasgow where they have a no tolerance policy thay are all over the place in the town centre and violence towards the girls is rife, most of the girls involved are on drugs.

Soliciting on the streets is illegal but selling sexual favours for money i.e. prostitution is not.

Legalising it might leave it less open to criminals to exploiting the women, if someone WANTS to earn a living that way then it is up to them, if men WANT to pay for sex it is their choice, so if they chose and the women choose where is the crime? Apart from that the police have got better things to do with their time than chase prostitutes they never get the real criminals behind them often enough the girls are victims themselves.

I don't think it is prostitution people object to so much as having it out on the streets where everybody can see it. If both parties have a choice then I see no problem, there is a problem where it is underground and the activity is criminal, then you get victims and people being used. Whether legalising it would stop that is a moot point.

posted by paula

why should it be legal to be a HOME WRECKER??? People, as there are men too who provide sexual services, have no feelings...you just don't share your toothbrush with the world? the industry DRAWS its own kind, a very low level of life..smells like a STINK bug to me.

It takes two to tango, a "home wrecker" can only succeed if the other party is willing to participate so why just blame one party.

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:28 am

Go to where it is legal, if you need the service...Do the SEX WORKERS get to decide who to do the service on? what if some moldly, old drunk checks in, what do they do? Are they steam cleaned and disinfected? Do men offer sex service and is it called prostitution for them too, i would assume so. Do gay women go for service also? :rolleyes: These are interesting questions, since it is a service? like a walk in clinic? :wah: :wah:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:35 am

Paula wrote: Are they steam cleaned and disinfected?

I wouldn't employ the services of a prostitute even if they were.

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:10 pm

Ah GMC I had forgotten about the beautification of Leith. Spent an hilarious couple of hours once in the "port of Leith pub" very scary establishment.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:59 pm

posted by Paula

Go to where it is legal, if you need the service...Do the SEX WORKERS get to decide who to do the service on? what if some moldly, old drunk checks in, what do they do? Are they steam cleaned and disinfected? Do men offer sex service and is it called prostitution for them too, i would assume so. Do gay women go for service also? These are interesting questions, since it is a service? like a walk in clinic?

Do the SEX WORKERS get to decide who to do the service on? haven't a clue and don't know who to ask.

Do men offer sex service and is it called prostitution for them too, i would assume so.

yes and no they are not called prostitutes they are called gigolos.

Don't know how interesting you will find this, it's entertaining, bear in mind this is presbytarian scotland we are talking about-the you are put on earth to suffer brigade.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburghfest ... 34,00.html

the tolerance zones have now ceased,

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2004/3 ... id=pp5.htm

posted by Bothwell

Ah GMC I had forgotten about the beautification of Leith. Spent an hilarious couple of hours once in the "port of Leith pub" very scary establishment.

The wine bar set have moved in, the warehouses are Ã‚£150,000 plus flats now.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:01 pm

The wine bar set have moved in, the warehouses are Ã‚£150,000 plus flats now.

SIGN OF THE TIMES MY FRIEND, THEY LIKE TO CALL IT PROGRESS!! :-3

Post by **kensloft** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:04 pm

I've been with prostitutes but I've never paid for their services. Wouldn't pay for their services even if I had the need. Not because they are dirty or filthy or diseased just because they are women that desrve to live the decent lives that they are, allegedly, supposed to live here on earth.

You see their hopes and ambitions and they are no different than the girl next door.

From the male perspective it is easy to talk about being open-minded about prostitution because they are the ones that are going to benefit from the situation.

I agree with LC when she talks about their present physical condition brought on by their burying themselves in their pain with drugs. That is another reason why I wouldn't want to engage in prostitution. Knowing that my money would be put towards their buying the drugs that are going to shorten their lives.

Not only are they going to shorten their lives they are going to shorten the time that they are going to spend with their children. What will become of these children that are without parents? Are they going to be the ones that fill up the jails from their hate and frustration of where they came from and how they got on this earth.

Are they going to be the next generation of prostitutes? Is it our purpose to perpetuate this horror? Methinks not.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:30 pm

Kensloft,

When you say you've been with prostitutes do you mean BEEN with prostitutes?

I've worked with a few of them (prostitutes and strippers), doing body makeup in B movies for sex scenes. They are invariably damaged people and the only semi-good attitude I've witnessed is when they think it's funny that people will pay money just to see their bodies.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:44 pm

Legalized Prostitution came into being here in New Zealand last year. Like in the U.K., they are called sex workers. Don't make the assumption that sex workers and drugs go hand in hand. With many of the women it's a choice not made by a need for drugs.

Post by **kensloft** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:17 pm

koan wrote: Kensloft,

When you say you've been with prostitutes do you mean BEEN with prostitutes?

Some women decide that they don't want to live the lifestyle. I've met more than a few. Yes I've BEEN with prostitutes but they were no longer in the loop. They were caring. They were loving. They were the girl next door that had a few bad breaks along the way. I didn't go looking for prostitutes.

Nothing came of it but friendship. They moved on and built their lives. I am grateful that they shared their lives with me.

I've worked with a few of them (prostitutes and strippers), doing body makeup in B movies for sex scenes. They are invariably damaged people and the only semi-good attitude I've witnessed is when they think it's funny that people will pay money just to see their bodies

I don't even go into strip bars.

A lot of the strippers are just not jaded enough to make the transition into the world of prostitution. A substantial number of them are doing both. It is the hatred between those that show their bodies to men and those that let men use their bodies for gratification. Essentially the non-prostitute versus the prostitute but they are both using their bodies for cash from horny males.

Both are wrong as far as I am concerned. All they are doing is perpetuating the problem and refusing to acknowledge each other means that they'll drift into both orbits at one time or another. The adage of not learning the lessons of history comes into play.

The somewhat female cavalier attitude is what makes them laugh at and hate the men in their lives. It's a vicious circle.

Post by **kensloft** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:30 pm

Lon wrote: Legalized Prostitution came into being here in New Zealand last year. Like in the U.K., they are called sex workers. Don't make the assumption that sex workers and drugs go hand in hand. With many of the women it's a choice not made by a need for drugs.

You can euphemize the name but the fact is they are prostitutes. Why they do it is as varied as there are women. One thing is for sure and that is that they are doing it for a living. Maybe its a higher degree of earnings, I don't know.

In Canada the concept of soliciting has been around and in use for the John's for years. It is nothing new here. All it means is that they hang out in a certain neighbourhood and they'll get picked up. Makes it easier to keep the pushers and pimps in the money. Drugs in America are a primary way of keeping the victims on the streets collecting cash.

If you ask a new to the trade woman if she likes it she'll wax eloquently about it. Ask someone who has been in it for a long time and they'll let you know in no uncertain terms that they'd rather if they didn't have to do it. Just don't tell me that body rub parlours aren't used for prostitution

koan · Post by **koan** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:18 pm

Is there a difference between a street prostitute and a woman who uses her "charms" to get a man who will take care of her? Other than the number of men involved. I have known women who go on about how they are going to trick men into letting them live with them. And one who actually said in her sleep "I want **** to move in with me and pay all my bills." Unfortunately for her he was sleeping over that night and she got busted. Fortunately for her he was too dumb to drop her and paid a few bills before he finally called it quits. To me this is prostitution.

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:36 am

koan wrote: Is there a difference between a street prostitute and a woman who uses her "charms" to get a man who will take care of her? Other than the number of men involved. I have known women who go on about how they are going to trick men into letting them live with them. And one who actually said in her sleep "I want **** to move in with me and pay all my bills." Unfortunately for her he was sleeping over that night and she got busted. Fortunately for her he was too dumb to drop her and paid a few bills before he finally called it quits. To me this is prostitution.

Boy! You sure can lay those poser questions.

Sometimes when men are miffed about women or the woman in their lives they come out with the line that they are all whores... meaning they are all prostitutes that make them go out to work, give them some and then collect the paycheque at the end of the week.

"What's the difference between an old lady and a hooker", they bemoan.

I don't know if I'd call the woman in questioin a prostitute. A little f***ed up about her priorities? Yes.

I'm still waiting for the blonde in the Caddilac with the suitcases filled with cash who is going to pick me up and give me the life of love and leisure that I so deserve. Somehow, I think that she is on the same trip. Only she is a woman and she, as a rule, holds power over men.

One of the funniest scenarios that I see is when a couple decide that they are going to have an open relationship as a result of some argument or other. I always shake my head when I see the guy strutting around claiming that he is now free to go after the babes. He is positive that they'll be lined up at the apartment door waiting to taste his abilities.

Sometimes I just can't wait for the scenario to play out, so, I will take him off to the side and ask him earnestly if he thinks that he is going to get it as often as his girlfriend will? You see the eyes glaze over and the realization set in that she will probably do a lot better than he will in the singles market.

The point being, that being a woman she can try to snare another man to pay her bills. Her self esteem must be pretty low if she can't get it together to pay her bills and figures that she'll be able to capture some man to do it for her. One would think that if she didn't get it every time that she put out with the same man then she wouldn't be a prostitute per se.

The guy, as a rule, will provide the money until he realizes that there is nothing more to the tryst than her emptying his bank account.

Now a prostitute does it with strangers to pay her bills. Everytime that she performs the deed she gets paid. There is no fantasizing about the white knight in shining armour on her part. She may have the dream but she knows that the liklihood of it happening is from slim to nil. She will continue with the nose to the grindstone attitude. She is a prostitute.

Your friend prostitutes her charms to get what she wants or feels that she needs. That doesn't make her a prostitute. It's a thin line but it is, nonetheless, a line.

On the same token it is another one of those "You've got to be there" scenarios. If that is all she does, then yes she is. But if she doesn't then she's a sl*t. Slatternly.

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:08 am

ScoupeSlave wrote: prostitution comes in many many shapes and sizes. my fiance works at a stip club and there is so many situations that they can be shut down because of "prostiution" i think that there needs to be a better defintion of prostitution in the law. just because it is such a broad defintion. but if they did legalize it, then what next??? three year olds doing crack???? i know that is an exageration but i mean what next?-SS

If you go to a lot of countries around the world you will find children being used as sex slaves. It is heartbreaking.

Working at a strip club doesn't say whether your girlfriend is a stripper or a waitress or a bartender.

The only definition of a prostitute that a lot of people want to see is the one that says that it no longer exists.

Depraved people will always seek out what they are not supposed to have. Where they dream their needs up is dependent on many things including abuse that they may have suffered in their own lives.

Prostitution serves the one with the money and not the one without the money. The one without the money wil do the things that she wouldn't do otherwise because she needs to keep a roof over her head and food in her belly. It is a risky business from drugs to pimps to insane clients that has destroyed more than one life.

The money is good but is it enough when you take into consideration that you have lost your soul and free will to do the things that you want to do. Out of every hundred prostitutes you might find one that is satisfied with plying the trade. The rest aren't and they know that eventually the lone one will see it the way they do.

If your girlfriend works in a strip club then you know exactly what I'm talking about. Life goes on. Age removes beauty and the inner beauty is jaded and is in a rage. Just because they are putting out the right words doesn't necessarily mean that they know or believe what they are saying.

Legalizing it is not the answer. If it gets legalized then it should be on the pay scale that is commensurate with worker salaries. See how many women will be prostitutes then.

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:09 am

Liverpool is about to establish a Red light zone this week. it will be a "Tolerance" Zone.

One different facet of this discussion I would like your views on is the Porn Industry, I find it amazing that the female/male "stars" of the Adult Film Industry (as they like it to be called) are not reviled as worse than a street prostitute. At least there is some privacy for the prostitute who can return to being whatever she wants to be at home. The porn star has it out there for anyone to see who can aford the DVD, Parents, siblings, children etc. they are paid to sleep with strangers and are not even really in control of what they are asked to do.

We ocasionaly get documentaries on the subject over here and I have to say the "performers" plaintive mewing as to how what they do is "Acting" and they all want to finance their way through med school has me rolling in the aisles. No Ladies and Gentelmen you are people who are paid to have sex with strangers on camera. My definition of a prostitute would be someone who cahrges money for sex, QED

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:22 am

I would agree with you when you say that they are prostitutes.

They are just a bunch of people that make bigger money which only helps to perpetuate the myth of sex. Watch a porno flick and you get horny. You get horny... you go out and find a prostitute. You'll find a lot of dirty money involved in the porn trade that can be traced mobsters.

It is probable that the "stars" are wanting to get cash to go to med school but would you want to be treated by someone that enabled crooks to keep women in their bondage. It might be easy for them but it doesn't make it easier for the prostitutes. It keeps the vicious cycle going and that's not good.

LottomagicZ4941 · Post by **LottomagicZ4941** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:36 am

I would like to have less laws on the books.

I'm a fan of restoritive justice. No harm no fowel.

Don't think tax payers money should be spent to lock somoene up for just using drugs or selling their bodies.

I think both these issues should be a health or moral issue and not a legal issue.

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