Yet another newbie...

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:57 am

Welcome Sagan hope you enjoy the forum, try to be kind the people here are really nice :-4 I used to live in Crewe in cheshire not too far from you.

minks · Post by **minks** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:32 am

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums

Greetings

And welcome to the garden, it is a great place for intellegence. Like yourself I am not a fan of religion and as a child I too endured many a sunday morning in church, it really pushed me the other way.

The above like is a bit of a hit and miss thing but it is an interesting health forum link. You will have to copy and paste it into your search but I though you may like to get on there as it offers some awesome support forum threads.

I hope you enjoy the garden.

Cheers from Canada

Minks

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:55 am

hello sagan, i am so sorry about the MS. My mother had MS and i took care of her a long time. It is wonderful you have this outlet here, you will enjoy getting to know us. Your disease must not be progressed as you can type? How old are you and how long have you had MS?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:32 am

sagan wrote: My pet hates include (...) the Royal family.

Why?

persephone · Post by **persephone** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:32 am

You need to ask Bill and you're a tax payer (I assume anyway :p )

Hello and welcome Sagan

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:00 am

letha wrote: You need to ask Bill and you're a tax payer (I assume anyway :p )

For the return, I don't begrudge the Ã‚£1 or whatever sum it is per annum!

Der Wulf · Post by **Der Wulf** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:25 am

sagan wrote: I suffer from M.S. and the Internet is a good outlet for my argumentative nature.

My pet hates include having religion shoved down my throat by people telling me what a sinner I am,
Welcome from one of them "damn yanks",:sneaky: I'm a retired Aerospace Engineer, a paraplegic, and have been known to engage in an argument occasionally. Religion?, they gave up on me long ago. :-6

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:38 pm

Der Wulf wrote: Welcome from one of them "damn yanks",:sneaky: I'm a retired Aerospace Engineer, a paraplegic, and have been known to engage in an argument occasionally. Religion?, they gave up on me long ago. :-6

sagan, see there are people here that like to debate. I think you and DerWulf will get along well. Religion i have to agree, i don't like it jammed down my throat either. To argue is good just don't call anyone a richard head or a female dog, careful. are we having fun yet? alright! :sneaky:

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:25 pm

Hey Sagan! Another "damn yank" here. I also was appreciative of the lack of abusive language. It can get heated at times, but for the most part, people are very respectful. And when they aren't, the Head Gardeners nip it in the bud! It's a great place, enjoy, and Welcome!!!

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:50 pm

sagan wrote: I was diagnosed last year after enduring six months of doctors scratching their heads and prodding me. At this stage the symptoms are pretty mild - short term cognitive dysfunction; double vision, muscle weakness and tremors. All at a level that can be coped with.

Its important to eat well and not get stressed out, does any one in your family have it and do you have children? My mothers illness was down hill from the start, she was about 26 when it was discovered. It is a TERRIBLE disease, i hope the best for you. one day at a time...

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:46 pm

Hello Chester in Wales :guitarist

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:56 pm

[QUOTE=sagan]No, get it right! Chester near Wales.

[/QUOTE right :driving:

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:39 am

sagan wrote: No, get it right! Chester near Wales.

Hey hon why have a Welsh flag when you live in England

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:42 am

sagan wrote: No, get it right! Chester near Wales.

But are you Welsh, or not?

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:26 am

sagan wrote: As I said at the top of the thread. If I put near Chester, then there's a chance that people have some idea of the general area where I live. I am living in a small village in Wales, close to the English border, Chester is the nearest major conurbation.
OOPS.......

SORRY X

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:57 am

sagan wrote: (dislikes the Royal Family because) Because they are unnecessary, undemocratic, expensive, and their existence in our constitutional set up concentrates far too much power in the hands of politicians.

Unnecessary? OK (there are lots of things that are unnecessary, though. Should we do without everything but the strictly necessary?).

Not sure why undemocratic comes into it.

Expensive... it can easily be argued that, although the "cost" to the taxpayer is about Ã‚£0.61p per head per annum, that the returns are over 3 times that... not a lot of money, anyway.

"Ttheir existence in our constitutional set up concentrates far too much power in the hands of politicians"???? I woul've thought that it might (only very slightly) act as a brake on excess. How does this power get concentrated? Isn't "power" concentrated in the hands of politicians everywhere else, too?

Looks like time for a new thread, to me!

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:47 am

Bill Sikes wrote: Unnecessary? OK (there are lots of things that are unnecessary, though. Should we do without everything but the strictly necessary?).

Not sure why undemocratic comes into it.

Expensive... it can easily be argued that, although the "cost" to the taxpayer is about Ã‚£0.61p per head per annum, that the returns are over 3 times that... not a lot of money, anyway.

"Ttheir existence in our constitutional set up concentrates far too much power in the hands of politicians"???? I woul've thought that it might (only very slightly) act as a brake on excess. How does this power get concentrated? Isn't "power" concentrated in the hands of politicians everywhere else, too?

Looks like time for a new thread, to me!

Yes shall we start with those unnecessary letters in some english words ... let us drop the u from, neighbour, colour and honour ok :wah:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:08 am

minks wrote: Yes shall we start with those unnecessary letters in some english words ... let us drop the u from, neighbour, colour and honour ok

But the "u" is essential to pronounciation, likewise the "re" in (e.g.) "theatre".

Perhaps we should progress, in a speedful manner, to using "Newspeak"?

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:53 am

Bill Sikes wrote: But the "u" is essential to pronounciation, likewise the "re" in (e.g.) "theatre".

Perhaps we should progress, in a speedful manner, to using "Newspeak"?

Newspeak is that what the kids these days use on chat sites and messenger etc

as in

how r u 2day??

Through ... pray tell why do we need the ough there?? what is wrong with just thru? I mean how different can the pronunciation be of this word. Much more complex with the ough.

Culor that is how colour is pronounced how do you pronounce it

And back to Neighbour

Naybor that is how we pronounce it how do you???

It just seems english has excess letters. I know how frustrating it is to people trying to learn it, I volunteer in this field. I work with people from afghanastan, Russia, and the Ukraine, they all agree there is many oddities to the english words they can't understand.

Der Wulf · Post by **Der Wulf** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:39 pm

minks wrote:

It just seems english has excess letters.
Tis just another British affection, ..daft, but charming. :-6

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:34 pm

sagan wrote: Because they are unnecessary, undemocratic, expensive, and their existence in our constitutional set up concentrates far too much power in the hands of politicians. the Politicans are here to stay Sagan. Only you can change them,by casting your vote. Its free too.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:13 am

minks wrote: Newspeak is that what the kids these days use on chat sites and messenger etc as in how r u 2day??

No, it's not! See: http://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_app

minks wrote: Through ... pray tell why do we need the ough there?? what is wrong with just thru? I mean how different can the pronunciation be of this word. Much more complex with the ough.

Culor that is how colour is pronounced how do you pronounce it

And back to Neighbour

Naybor that is how we pronounce it how do you???

It just seems english has excess letters. I know how frustrating it is to people trying to learn it, I volunteer in this field. I work with people from afghanastan, Russia, and the Ukraine, they all agree there is many oddities to the english words they can't understand.

Yes - to "dumb down" (sic) language is to remove much flexibility and intent. If it's so difficult to understand, how is it that babies can start to learn it, children continue to learn while speaking, and adults speak it and polish it, not to mention the more subtle possibilities of writing? How many words do you know? Do you prefer Newspeak (not just telephone abbreviations?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:27 am

sagan wrote: No. But the natives are friendly.

Not too bad, are they, despite the appalling beer (yes, I know there are exceptions). I lived in South Wales for a while...

Der Wulf · Post by **Der Wulf** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:19 pm

Bill Sikes wrote:

Yes - to "dumb down" (sic) language is to remove much flexibility and intent. If it's so difficult to understand, how is it that babies can start to learn it, children continue to learn while speaking, and adults speak it and polish it, not to mention the more subtle possibilities of writing? How many words do you know? Do you prefer Newspeak (not just telephone abbreviations?
C'mon Bill the discussion was about spelling, not vocabulary.

Just for your entertainment, and elucidation, I submit the following:

http://www.stanford.edu/~rickford/eboni ... mples.html

I await the explosion :yh_rotfl