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moverguy wrote: SO WHAT YOU HAVE REALLY PROVEN is this:
You all call each other, you would go and defend each other from imminent domain seizure and that means that you are all exceptions as you have indeed used your senses to evaluate, and connect with your colleagues, friends and family as it were beyond a mere COMPUTER SCREEN!
You are all a reall bunch of heaping piled high good guys - and gals!
Nice ShowThere is a real person behind every computer screen. Those replies are not from AI. It's up to you whether or not you want to connect. Sociopaths want to but cant, Psychopaths do and we wish they wouldnt! LOL! Then again you have your everyday human bean that just likes to reach out and touch........that can be fun! LOL!
You all call each other, you would go and defend each other from imminent domain seizure and that means that you are all exceptions as you have indeed used your senses to evaluate, and connect with your colleagues, friends and family as it were beyond a mere COMPUTER SCREEN!
You are all a reall bunch of heaping piled high good guys - and gals!
Nice ShowThere is a real person behind every computer screen. Those replies are not from AI. It's up to you whether or not you want to connect. Sociopaths want to but cant, Psychopaths do and we wish they wouldnt! LOL! Then again you have your everyday human bean that just likes to reach out and touch........that can be fun! LOL!
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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I'd love to go to Vegas with you, Snooze!
I hear they have a whole Star Trek setup there.............
I hear they have a whole Star Trek setup there.............
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SnoozeControl wrote: I'm serious! Lemme know if/when you could get away and I'm there, even if I have to call in sick and say I've got a brain tumor. :DI agree. the truth's always best. :p
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I'll make sure next time I fly out there, I stop over in Vegas-for a few days! (I usually do connect through there)
Meet you there!
Meet you there!
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Being a "Trekkie" I call the Las Vegas Hilton my "Mothership."
I've been there twice. It is absolutely FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!
You get to "beam up". I'm not kidding, you are standing in a room, the air gets sparkly and then suddenly, you're in a completely different room floors and all! I have no idea how they do it. You get to run down the corridors of the Enterprise, play around on the bridge, (it's huge!) run down to the shuttle bay, get in a shuttle, fly around the Enterprise at close range, get in a battle, warp to las Vegas, fly over the strip (I'm not kidding when I say that I could see my hotel room and I had left the lights on!) crash into the Hilton, and fall down the elevator shaft! Wild and WAY, WAY worth it!
In addition, they have a very state-of-the-art Star Trek store with real costumes, pins and everything. Best yet, while you wait in line you are actually in the "Star Trek" museum!! You file by all the cool props, sets, and actors in all the series and movies! It wasn't even like standing in line at all!
Highly, highly recommended!
I've been there twice. It is absolutely FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!
You get to "beam up". I'm not kidding, you are standing in a room, the air gets sparkly and then suddenly, you're in a completely different room floors and all! I have no idea how they do it. You get to run down the corridors of the Enterprise, play around on the bridge, (it's huge!) run down to the shuttle bay, get in a shuttle, fly around the Enterprise at close range, get in a battle, warp to las Vegas, fly over the strip (I'm not kidding when I say that I could see my hotel room and I had left the lights on!) crash into the Hilton, and fall down the elevator shaft! Wild and WAY, WAY worth it!
In addition, they have a very state-of-the-art Star Trek store with real costumes, pins and everything. Best yet, while you wait in line you are actually in the "Star Trek" museum!! You file by all the cool props, sets, and actors in all the series and movies! It wasn't even like standing in line at all!
Highly, highly recommended!
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Gosh Jives, I'm going with Snooze! That sounds way too cool!
*finished my midterm too inbetween posts!*
Beam me up!
*finished my midterm too inbetween posts!*
Beam me up!
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Jives wrote: Being a "Trekkie" I call the Las Vegas Hilton my "Mothership."
I've been there twice. It is absolutely FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!
You get to "beam up". I'm not kidding, you are standing in a room, the air gets sparkly and then suddenly, you're in a completely different room floors and all! I have no idea how they do it. You get to run down the corridors of the Enterprise, play around on the bridge, (it's huge!) run down to the shuttle bay, get in a shuttle, fly around the Enterprise at close range, get in a battle, warp to las Vegas, fly over the strip (I'm not kidding when I say that I could see my hotel room and I had left the lights on!) crash into the Hilton, and fall down the elevator shaft! Wild and WAY, WAY worth it!
In addition, they have a very state-of-the-art Star Trek store with real costumes, pins and everything. Best yet, while you wait in line you are actually in the "Star Trek" museum!! You file by all the cool props, sets, and actors in all the series and movies! It wasn't even like standing in line at all!
Highly, highly recommended!
C'mon Jives! You have to know I'd be there if I could!
I've been there twice. It is absolutely FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!
You get to "beam up". I'm not kidding, you are standing in a room, the air gets sparkly and then suddenly, you're in a completely different room floors and all! I have no idea how they do it. You get to run down the corridors of the Enterprise, play around on the bridge, (it's huge!) run down to the shuttle bay, get in a shuttle, fly around the Enterprise at close range, get in a battle, warp to las Vegas, fly over the strip (I'm not kidding when I say that I could see my hotel room and I had left the lights on!) crash into the Hilton, and fall down the elevator shaft! Wild and WAY, WAY worth it!
In addition, they have a very state-of-the-art Star Trek store with real costumes, pins and everything. Best yet, while you wait in line you are actually in the "Star Trek" museum!! You file by all the cool props, sets, and actors in all the series and movies! It wasn't even like standing in line at all!
Highly, highly recommended!
C'mon Jives! You have to know I'd be there if I could!
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Jives wrote: Being a "Trekkie" I call the Las Vegas Hilton my "Mothership."
I've been there twice. It is absolutely FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!
You get to "beam up". I'm not kidding, you are standing in a room, the air gets sparkly and then suddenly, you're in a completely different room floors and all! I have no idea how they do it. You get to run down the corridors of the Enterprise, play around on the bridge, (it's huge!) run down to the shuttle bay, get in a shuttle, fly around the Enterprise at close range, get in a battle, warp to las Vegas, fly over the strip (I'm not kidding when I say that I could see my hotel room and I had left the lights on!) crash into the Hilton, and fall down the elevator shaft! Wild and WAY, WAY worth it!
In addition, they have a very state-of-the-art Star Trek store with real costumes, pins and everything. Best yet, while you wait in line you are actually in the "Star Trek" museum!! You file by all the cool props, sets, and actors in all the series and movies! It wasn't even like standing in line at all!
Highly, highly recommended!
Does your school random drug test Jives?:)
I've been there twice. It is absolutely FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!
You get to "beam up". I'm not kidding, you are standing in a room, the air gets sparkly and then suddenly, you're in a completely different room floors and all! I have no idea how they do it. You get to run down the corridors of the Enterprise, play around on the bridge, (it's huge!) run down to the shuttle bay, get in a shuttle, fly around the Enterprise at close range, get in a battle, warp to las Vegas, fly over the strip (I'm not kidding when I say that I could see my hotel room and I had left the lights on!) crash into the Hilton, and fall down the elevator shaft! Wild and WAY, WAY worth it!
In addition, they have a very state-of-the-art Star Trek store with real costumes, pins and everything. Best yet, while you wait in line you are actually in the "Star Trek" museum!! You file by all the cool props, sets, and actors in all the series and movies! It wasn't even like standing in line at all!
Highly, highly recommended!
Does your school random drug test Jives?:)
Someone asked me why I swear so much. I said, "Just becuss.":)
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I will admit I spend too much time logged on here and sometimes I wonder why. There has to be a balance, its healthy to have a diversion from the grind but I think it might be dangerous to spend too much time here as well.
Everything in moderation as they say.
When I came here I decided I wasnt going to get involved, I didnt want to make any enemies yet I didnt want to reveal too much of myself either. I did that on my last forum and it didnt turn out well. Its inevitable though, it just happens, you do get involved, you start to care. Im not capable of denying that part of myself for long. Its in my nature to feel love, actually in contrast to my previous life its the easiest thing in the world for me to do, to care.
Its the most rewarding aspect of my life. When a wonderful woman here was in trouble, she was welcome in my home, no questions aked. I would extend the same offer to anyone here. The people here have creeped into my life, some just rushed right in, couldnt be helped, I fell in love with their humor, or their sincerity. Perhaps their cantakerous selves just wormed their way into my heart. Others became admired slowly, after reading something that gave me blinding insight into their struggles, or one day I just realized thats a real person typing those words, a life with similar experiences or very different, no matter, they were real. It just happens.
When one member overcame her addiction, something Ive struggled with all of my life, I couldnt have been prouder. I felt touched, that was real, that can only happen when you care. Not what I had in mind for myself here, but truthfully I wouldnt have it any other way.
There is one prevalent evidence here that makes this place work so well. Respect. You dont always get that in life, you can pretty much count on it here, thats a very desirable quality and I revere it.
I frequently fall short of the goals I have set for myself, yet I hope that enough of my true personality shines through that I can be an accepted part of this family. I act the fool, I say stupid things, hell while Im at work I try to think of things that I can say when I get home to confound, or at the very least make you chuckle. But I sincerely hope that the people here can see the real person behind the Nomad from time to time.
To get at the question posed here, I think this place is a family photo album. Glimpses, snapshots of lives that some days are good, others not so good, just like in the world with your family and friends. Dont question it too much unless its causing you harm. Relax and enjoy its unique unfolding.
Everything in moderation as they say.
When I came here I decided I wasnt going to get involved, I didnt want to make any enemies yet I didnt want to reveal too much of myself either. I did that on my last forum and it didnt turn out well. Its inevitable though, it just happens, you do get involved, you start to care. Im not capable of denying that part of myself for long. Its in my nature to feel love, actually in contrast to my previous life its the easiest thing in the world for me to do, to care.
Its the most rewarding aspect of my life. When a wonderful woman here was in trouble, she was welcome in my home, no questions aked. I would extend the same offer to anyone here. The people here have creeped into my life, some just rushed right in, couldnt be helped, I fell in love with their humor, or their sincerity. Perhaps their cantakerous selves just wormed their way into my heart. Others became admired slowly, after reading something that gave me blinding insight into their struggles, or one day I just realized thats a real person typing those words, a life with similar experiences or very different, no matter, they were real. It just happens.
When one member overcame her addiction, something Ive struggled with all of my life, I couldnt have been prouder. I felt touched, that was real, that can only happen when you care. Not what I had in mind for myself here, but truthfully I wouldnt have it any other way.
There is one prevalent evidence here that makes this place work so well. Respect. You dont always get that in life, you can pretty much count on it here, thats a very desirable quality and I revere it.
I frequently fall short of the goals I have set for myself, yet I hope that enough of my true personality shines through that I can be an accepted part of this family. I act the fool, I say stupid things, hell while Im at work I try to think of things that I can say when I get home to confound, or at the very least make you chuckle. But I sincerely hope that the people here can see the real person behind the Nomad from time to time.
To get at the question posed here, I think this place is a family photo album. Glimpses, snapshots of lives that some days are good, others not so good, just like in the world with your family and friends. Dont question it too much unless its causing you harm. Relax and enjoy its unique unfolding.
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Wise as always, O Nomad!:-4
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Nomad wrote: I will admit I spend too much time logged on here and sometimes I wonder why. There has to be a balance, its healthy to have a diversion from the grind but I think it might be dangerous to spend too much time here as well.
Everything in moderation as they say.
When I came here I decided I wasnt going to get involved, I didnt want to make any enemies yet I didnt want to reveal too much myself either. I did that on my last forum and it didnt turn out well. Its inevitable though, it just happens, you do get involved, you start to care. Im not capable of denying that part of myself for long. Its in my nature to feel love, actually in contrast to my previous life its the easiest thing in the world for me to do, to care.
Its the most rewarding aspect of my life. When a wonderful woman here was in trouble, she was welcome in my home, no questions aked. I would extend the same offer to anyone here. The people here have creeped into my life, some just rushed right in, couldnt be helped, I fell in love with their humor, or their sincerity. Perhaps their cantakerous selves just wormed their way into my heart. Others became admired slowly, after reading something that gave me blinding insight into their struggles, or one day I just realized thats a real person typing those words, a life with similar experiences or very different, no matter, they were real. It just happens.
When one member overcame her addiction, something Ive struggled with all of my life, I couldnt have been prouder. I felt touched, that was real, that can only happen when you care. Not what I had in mind for myself here, but truthfully I wouldnt have it any other way.
There is one prevalent evidence here that makes that makes this place work so well. Respect. You dont always get that in life, you can pretty much count on it here, thats a very desirable quality and I revere it.
I frequently fall short of the goals I have set for myself, yet I hope that enough of my true personality shines through that I can be an accepted part of this family. I act the fool, I say stupid things, hell while Im at work I try to think of things that I can say when I get home to confound, or at the very least make you chuckle. But I sincerely hope that the people here can see the real person behind the Nomad from time to time.
To get at the question posed here, I think this place is a family photo album. Glimpses, snapshots of lives that some days are good, others not so good, just like in the world with your family and friends. Dont question it too much unless its causing you harm. Relax and enjoy its unique unfolding.
Very eloquently put Nomad, this place really has grown on us all hasn't it.
Everything in moderation as they say.
When I came here I decided I wasnt going to get involved, I didnt want to make any enemies yet I didnt want to reveal too much myself either. I did that on my last forum and it didnt turn out well. Its inevitable though, it just happens, you do get involved, you start to care. Im not capable of denying that part of myself for long. Its in my nature to feel love, actually in contrast to my previous life its the easiest thing in the world for me to do, to care.
Its the most rewarding aspect of my life. When a wonderful woman here was in trouble, she was welcome in my home, no questions aked. I would extend the same offer to anyone here. The people here have creeped into my life, some just rushed right in, couldnt be helped, I fell in love with their humor, or their sincerity. Perhaps their cantakerous selves just wormed their way into my heart. Others became admired slowly, after reading something that gave me blinding insight into their struggles, or one day I just realized thats a real person typing those words, a life with similar experiences or very different, no matter, they were real. It just happens.
When one member overcame her addiction, something Ive struggled with all of my life, I couldnt have been prouder. I felt touched, that was real, that can only happen when you care. Not what I had in mind for myself here, but truthfully I wouldnt have it any other way.
There is one prevalent evidence here that makes that makes this place work so well. Respect. You dont always get that in life, you can pretty much count on it here, thats a very desirable quality and I revere it.
I frequently fall short of the goals I have set for myself, yet I hope that enough of my true personality shines through that I can be an accepted part of this family. I act the fool, I say stupid things, hell while Im at work I try to think of things that I can say when I get home to confound, or at the very least make you chuckle. But I sincerely hope that the people here can see the real person behind the Nomad from time to time.
To get at the question posed here, I think this place is a family photo album. Glimpses, snapshots of lives that some days are good, others not so good, just like in the world with your family and friends. Dont question it too much unless its causing you harm. Relax and enjoy its unique unfolding.
Very eloquently put Nomad, this place really has grown on us all hasn't it.
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We love you too, Nomad.
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JAB wrote: Wow. I feel like I just got a hug from all of you who've shared a response to this thread.
The gang here are more real to me than some people I meet face to face on a daily basis. I just think it's kinda neat that this cold thing called a PC and internet can actually bring people together, to bond as true friends do.
:-4
Have I groped you yet ? I dont think so *grope* :-4 (thats how it works in Nomad world)
The gang here are more real to me than some people I meet face to face on a daily basis. I just think it's kinda neat that this cold thing called a PC and internet can actually bring people together, to bond as true friends do.
:-4
Have I groped you yet ? I dont think so *grope* :-4 (thats how it works in Nomad world)

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i certainly, and with good reason, consider many people here real-life friends. :-4
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Ladycop said she would handcuff me to a lightpole in Yonkers and leave me there if I wouldnt be her friend. So sometimes it goes down like that too. But even after her maliscious threats Ive come to adore her, cant be helped.
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JAB wrote: Maybe I should have said buttocks instead? 
Uhh never mind, Im dying from the bird flu so Im a little off my game. :-5
Uhh never mind, Im dying from the bird flu so Im a little off my game. :-5
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geeze, you're STILL not dead??? :rolleyes:
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JAB wrote: The afterlife must not want him...!
Well thats bad news for you cause if I get stuck in that in-between thingy who do you think Im going to haunt ?
Yup you got that right....you guys
Well thats bad news for you cause if I get stuck in that in-between thingy who do you think Im going to haunt ?
Yup you got that right....you guys

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Nomad wrote: Well thats bad news for you cause if I get stuck in that in-between thingy who do you think Im going to haunt ?
Yup you got that right....you guys
we are all soooooo doomed.
Yup you got that right....you guys

we are all soooooo doomed.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
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Nomad wrote: Im very pleased with my plight now. :-6
I am hoping that is the "road to recovery" then?
I am hoping that is the "road to recovery" then?
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
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JAB wrote: He sure is insulting us like 'normal', isn't he?
what a guy eh hehehehe if he isn't careful we will have to lead him by his ear to his room
what a guy eh hehehehe if he isn't careful we will have to lead him by his ear to his room
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
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I am still new to this forum but you can feel the connection between the participants - it is wonderful.
I found a lady online about 3 years ago and we connected. The chats we had were amazing, frank, helpful, insightful, fun etc.
I got to meet this wonderful lady and have found the best friend someone could have - Lois is an absolute god send, an angel. She has bad health and big family dramas but she always has time for a friend. I truly believe that I would never have found this fabulous person without the internet.
I guess it is all about if you choose to be honest about who you are or whether you portray an alter-ego. I am not clever enough for that personally so what you see is what you get.
The internet is also a lifeline to me and my family who are 10,000 miles away. ooops sorry change of thread.
I shutup now
I found a lady online about 3 years ago and we connected. The chats we had were amazing, frank, helpful, insightful, fun etc.
I got to meet this wonderful lady and have found the best friend someone could have - Lois is an absolute god send, an angel. She has bad health and big family dramas but she always has time for a friend. I truly believe that I would never have found this fabulous person without the internet.
I guess it is all about if you choose to be honest about who you are or whether you portray an alter-ego. I am not clever enough for that personally so what you see is what you get.
The internet is also a lifeline to me and my family who are 10,000 miles away. ooops sorry change of thread.
I shutup now
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Moverguy, I discovered how "real" the members of ForumGarden are when I found myself "Lonely in Omaha." Please read the thread and you'll get some idea. It won't obviously disclose the private messages and telephone calls that I received in addition but these were numerous.
The genuine offers of help were overwhelming...I now consider these people to be true friends.
If you are ever in need of support, you'll get it from the people here on this forum...
I love them to bits :-4
The genuine offers of help were overwhelming...I now consider these people to be true friends.
If you are ever in need of support, you'll get it from the people here on this forum...
I love them to bits :-4
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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CARLA wrote: We shall see my dear PINA.. I have been called relentless in my competitive nature, I play to win.. I'm fair, a good sport, but my need to win is up there with yours I think...:-4 That's why my old body is so beat up.. I will sacrafice myself for the game..
scarry huh..!!
The saying goes, "it doesn't matter if you win or loose, it's how you play the game"! If that's really true, then why do they keep score?:-2

The saying goes, "it doesn't matter if you win or loose, it's how you play the game"! If that's really true, then why do they keep score?:-2
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*still looking for a game to do that*
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People reaching out to other people is no mystery here. If it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for others, as we have read in the responses. I think, this forum and many others are great as long as we keep it clean and honest. Shalom
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moverguy wrote: I responded and sent out a post last night in response to a member asking about medical for their child. The nature of the post, not the poster really pissed me off.
To which I replied, BASICALLY knock it off and get off the computer and live, be a mom, go to the doctor kinda thing.
This is a response I got, and fair and reasonable - and then it got me to thinking - - Are you all for real? Does a computer screen, and chat room, a forum really give people the sense of belonging?
BY BEZ: On the whole good advice....but please note....FG is an entertainment medium, but it is also a LIFELINE for many people who come here for friendship and support.
How can people let themselves believer that this is really anything other than a chat / entertainment medium? I MEAN REALLY? If you are neighbors, meet, chat and have looked into each others eyes, and know that you have gazed upon that soul, heard that voice –
Is the internet the next Whiskey, Cocaine, and Gambling addiction? We are SOCIAL, tribal and community organisms. Words like “lifeline†are too strong for a PC room… WE HONESTLY DON’T KNOW A DARN THING ABOUT EACH OTHER?!?!?!? For those whom have never met, face to face and have seen and held one another with their own senses.
Yes mover, friends on "This" forum are actually pen pal "friends", and more. That are worldly & wise, with real "lifes" experiences. Many of them "have been there," "done that", & have survived & learned from their experiences. Who in turn, are willing to & can offer (share) their knowledge, experiences, & wisdom they learned with someone (friends) in need on here who is seeking help/info/guidance/ support. You don't really need to meet face to face with other forum members to be able to share their own wisdom. Wisdom is offered so as to try to save the "info seeker" from making the same mistakes as made by the "info giver". In any event, whether or not if the info seeker accepts the info/wisdom offered, is solely at their own discretion. (However, the giver's intent is usually heartfelt, & genuinely offered.) :-2
To which I replied, BASICALLY knock it off and get off the computer and live, be a mom, go to the doctor kinda thing.
This is a response I got, and fair and reasonable - and then it got me to thinking - - Are you all for real? Does a computer screen, and chat room, a forum really give people the sense of belonging?
BY BEZ: On the whole good advice....but please note....FG is an entertainment medium, but it is also a LIFELINE for many people who come here for friendship and support.
How can people let themselves believer that this is really anything other than a chat / entertainment medium? I MEAN REALLY? If you are neighbors, meet, chat and have looked into each others eyes, and know that you have gazed upon that soul, heard that voice –
Is the internet the next Whiskey, Cocaine, and Gambling addiction? We are SOCIAL, tribal and community organisms. Words like “lifeline†are too strong for a PC room… WE HONESTLY DON’T KNOW A DARN THING ABOUT EACH OTHER?!?!?!? For those whom have never met, face to face and have seen and held one another with their own senses.
Yes mover, friends on "This" forum are actually pen pal "friends", and more. That are worldly & wise, with real "lifes" experiences. Many of them "have been there," "done that", & have survived & learned from their experiences. Who in turn, are willing to & can offer (share) their knowledge, experiences, & wisdom they learned with someone (friends) in need on here who is seeking help/info/guidance/ support. You don't really need to meet face to face with other forum members to be able to share their own wisdom. Wisdom is offered so as to try to save the "info seeker" from making the same mistakes as made by the "info giver". In any event, whether or not if the info seeker accepts the info/wisdom offered, is solely at their own discretion. (However, the giver's intent is usually heartfelt, & genuinely offered.) :-2
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