Methamphetimines

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:09 am

SnoozeControl wrote: I'm not sure if you can blame the poor work ethics of today as drug created. I see that at work a lot, and I feel it has more to do with a sense of entitlement. Where and how they got the idea they don't need to have a productive day to collect a paycheck is beyond me.

I didn't say it was drug created, however, as a point of fact, a good majority of apprentices are cannabis users at least. As for working for a paycheck, I cannot conclusively answer this except to say that there must be a problem concerning their family upbringing and their schooling. Neither institution seems to have any control of kids these days and the law does not help in this matter.

The responsibility of teaching work ethics and the need to work to get paid, plus the sense of establishing a good trade must surely lie with the parents and with the schools together.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:17 am

Susie that made the hair on me stand on end.... As a mother of teens this topic really really gets me.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:18 am

SnoozeControl wrote: To minks:

I was just gonna ask you about that! How did she handle all the news about the validity of his experiences? Oprah got pretty nasty with the author on her show.

She still does not know, and here is the kicker, she finished the book and passed it to her older sister just 2 days ago and her older sis has no clue either.... so I am going to let the oldest get through it then I will see what comes next.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:18 am

SnoozeControl wrote: Sorry, I saw a point you had made and I sort of jumped on it... no offense.

No offense was taken, I took it as a serious question.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:39 am

tmbsgrl wrote: I posted this in another thread but I thought I can post it here too.

I AM METH"

(This was written by a young Indian girl who was in jail for drug charges, and was addicted to meth. She wrote this while in jail. As you will soon read, she fully grasped the horrors of the drug, as she tells in this simple, yet profound poem. She was released from jail, but, true to her story, the drug owned her. They found her dead not long after, with the needle still in her arm.) Please keep praying for our Children, Teens, Young adults. Understand, this thing is worse than any of us realize...

My Name: "Is Meth"I destroy homes, I tear families apart, take your children, and that's just the start.I'm more costly than diamonds, more precious than gold,The sorrow I bring is a sight to behold. If you need me, remember I'm easily found, I live all around you - in schools and in townI live with the rich; I live with the poor,I live down the street, and maybe next door.I'm made in a lab, but not like you think,I can be made under the kitchen sink.In your child's closet, and even in the woods,If this scares you to death, well it certainly should.I have many names, but there's one you know best,I'm sure you've heard of me, my name is crystal meth. My power is awesome; try me you'll see,But if you do, you may never break free.Just try me once and I might let you go,But try me twice, and I'll own your soul. When I possess you, you'll steal and you'll lie,You do what you have to -- just to get high.The crimes you'll commit for my narcotic charmsWill be worth the pleasure you'll feel in your arms,your lungs and your nose.You'll lie to your mother; you'll steal from your dad,When you see their tears, you should feel sad.But you'll forget your morals and how you were raised,I'll be your conscience, I'll teach you my ways. I take kids from parents, and parents from kids,I turn people from God, and separate friends.I'll take everything from you, your looks and your pride,I'll be with you always -- right by your side. You'll give up everything, your family, your home,Your friends, your money, then you'll be aloneI'll take and take, till you have nothing more to give,When I'm finished with you, you'll be lucky to live. If you try me be warned - this is no game,If given the chance, I'll drive you insane.I'll ravish your body, I'll control your mind,I'll own you completely, your soul will be mine. The nightmares I'll give you while lying in bed,The voices you'll hear, from inside your head.The sweats, the shakes, the visions you'll see,I want you to know, these are all gifts from me. But then it's too late, and you'll know in your heart,That you are mine, and we shall not part.You'll regret that you tried me, they always do,But you came to me, not I to you. You knew this would happen, many times you were told, But you challenged my power, and chose to be bold.You could have said no, and just walked away,If you could live that day over, now what would you say? I'll be your master, you will be my slave,I'll even go with you, when you go to your grave.Now that you have met me, what will you do?Will you try me or not? It's all up to you.I can bring you more misery than words can tell, Come take my hand, let me lead you to hell.
Very sad, but very true. The same can be said for crack, and heroin. And also glue. The 70's and 80's left a terrible legacy.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:47 am

SnoozeControl wrote: Just out of curiosity... has anyone here actually tried meth?

Not me.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:49 am

SnoozeControl wrote: Just out of curiosity... has anyone here actually tried meth?

I have. I hated the smell, the taste, the effect...

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:55 am

Yep, me too. 3 times in college during final exams. I liked it so much it scared me. I never did it again. EVER.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:57 am

SnoozeControl wrote: Just out of curiosity... has anyone here actually tried meth?

Not I

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:03 pm

I have. I hated the smell, the taste, the effect...

Yep, me too. 3 times in college during final exams. I liked it so much it scared me. I never did it again. EVER.

Before you both tried it, what were you expecting? Did it compare at all to your expectations?

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:08 pm

Now coke could've been a problem if I wasn't such a skinflint. That stuff has some serious addiction problems. That scares me more than meth does.

Apparently, it's a lot cheaper now than it used to be (by comparison with the effects of inflation).

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:10 pm

OpenMind wrote: Before you both tried it, what were you expecting? Did it compare at all to your expectations?
I was expecting to be able to stay awake to cram for exams. It did that, but I was unable to concentrate. After the third time, I realised I wasnt caring about the exams. Thats when I 'woke' up. I still passed my exams, but I was a little wiser about myself. I never underestimated anything so dangerous again. Addiction can grip anyone. Noone is immune. I was blessed that I caught on to that before it caught on to me.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:13 pm

OpenMind wrote: Before you both tried it, what were you expecting? Did it compare at all to your expectations?

I dont know what I was expecting. Maybe to get the whole house clean, which I did. But what happened after I tried I cant explain, I just knew I never wanted any part of it again!

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:44 pm

Good for both of you that you realised the peril before you were hooked. That's commendable.

Still, you can see how easy ii is for kids to get hooked to it. The amphetamine part of the concoction provides both the energy and the buzz. Payback comes in the form of the absolute loss of energy experienced along with the apathy. This is what induces many people to have more. As for what the meths does, I would need to ask a tramp what that does.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:49 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Excuse me?

Methylated spirit was used by tramps in this country as a cheap alternative to alcohol. It also did much to hasten their life's journey.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:54 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Tramp is used to describe a really sleazy woman in this country. Think Paris Hilton.

Sorry, try hobo, perhaps, I think, not sure. Let's say the terminally homeless.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:05 pm

Clancy wrote: I believe there is a confusion here.

OP...I thought when people in here were talking about Meth? they were meaning Methylated spirit, too.

They're not. It's two completely different things. The "Meth" members from US & Canada are talking about is a form of Cocaine.
Funny that! I have never heard of methylated spirits! My husband is explaining it to me now! Interesting!

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:07 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Tramp is used to describe a really sleazy woman in this country. Think Paris Hilton.

tramp, bum, homeless person, vagrant, hobo , street person all the same

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:09 pm

OpenMind wrote:

Still, you can see how easy ii is for kids to get hooked to it.

How would I see how people can get hooked if I just told you I tried it and hated it? Why would I do something again if I hated it?

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:10 pm

Clancy wrote: I believe there is a confusion here.

OP...I thought when people in here were talking about Meth? they were meaning Methylated spirit, too.

They're not. It's two completely different things. The "Meth" members from US & Canada are talking about is a form of Cocaine.

I stand corrected, thanks Clancy. I've never heard of meth as a term for cocaine.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:11 pm

minks wrote: tramp, bum, homeless person, vagrant, hobo , street person all the same

MINKS!!! What are you saying? It sounds like you are apathetic to those less fortunate. This doesnt sound like you. Are you being sarcastic?

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:12 pm

Clancy wrote: It was (ages ago) most commonly used for camping stoves, Raven. The destitute would get hold of it because it was cheap That was latterly replaced by cheap fortified wines.

But it was used by {before they were called wino's) vagrants years ago. Some would even drink lighter fluid, or metal cleaning polish...pretty grim eh?

Who was that U.S politician whose wife drank rubbing alcohol because she was so desperate for a drink? I think it was in the early 80's.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:16 pm

The addition of cocaine changes the whole complexion of this drug, seeing as it stimulates that part of the brain that is stimulated by sexual pleasure.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:16 pm

DesignerGal wrote: MINKS!!! What are you saying? It sounds like you are apathetic to those less fortunate. This doesnt sound like you. Are you being sarcastic?

nooo just telling snooze the names are all interchangeable....

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:17 pm

OpenMind wrote: The addition of cocaine changes the whole complexion of this drug, seeing as it stimulates that part of the brain that is stimulated by sexual pleasure.

For ingredients, check out: justthinktwice.com

Its not so much cocaine as other household stuff like ephedrine from cough and cold medecines purified to a deadly level.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:19 pm

DesignerGal wrote: For ingredients, check out: justthinktwice.com

Its not so much cocaine as other household stuff like ephedrine from cough and cold medecines purified to a deadly level.

this website is book marked for Jr Minks when she gets her puter privledges back as I want to go over this with her. Thanks in advance DG

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:22 pm

Methamphetamine is a stimulant which is generally produced in large laboratories in Mexico , the United States and Asia, or in small "toxic labs" in the United States . It can be injected or smoked. "Ice" is the crystallized form of methamphetamine and it is generally smoked. In all its forms, methamphetamine is highly addictive and toxic.

The onset of meth effects is about the same as cocaine, but they last longer. Meth remains in the central nervous system longer than cocaine, and chronic abuse produces a psychosis that resembles schizophrenia, and is characterized by paranoia, picking at the skin, preoccupation with one's thoughts and auditory and visual hallucinations. These effects can last for months and even years after using methamphetamine and violent and erratic behavior is often seen among chronic users.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:24 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: I posted a photo of a woman who, over a ten year time span, turned into someone unrecognizable due to drug addiction, and you say it almost sounds like I'm condoning meth use? I fail to see that.

I was an infrequent recreational drug user in my past. I've never stolen from my mother nor sold my body to someone on the street to get a 'fix.' I'm employed in a responsible, well paying job, and have been for the past 24 years. I've been investigated for a top secret clearance, passed and currently still have it. Maybe I'm just more honest about it, but there are many people that have used drugs but are afraid of the reaction they'd get admitting to it in the present puritanical US mindset.

My point is... yeah, this stuff is bad. But then so is anything if its overused. You can die from obesity. And if I hear another crack about "there are children reading this board and you could influence them!" then I can only shake my head at the naivete of some people. Parents need to take some responsibility. Ridiculous blanket statements like that are just that... ridiculous.:rolleyes:
I was just looking for clarification, Snooze, don't get your knickers in a bunch. Perception is reality and that's how I perceived your post, which is why I asked for you to clarify.

Remember, I said "It SOUNDS like...." which I was figuring you would understand meant it sounds to ME as if you're condoning it.

I agree with everything you've said in the above statement. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:25 pm

Here is ANOTHER fact about meth to chew on for a while:

The relationship between meth and HIV can be deadly. The risky sexual behavior that meth users engage in increases the transmission of diseases, including sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and Hepatitis C. The spread of HIV among meth users --- because of shared contaminated paraphernalia and increased sexual activity --- is a very real problem. Scientists also believe that there may be some physiological changes that favor HIV transmission in meth users. For those who already are HIV positive, methamphetamine may speed up the progression of the disease. Scientists have suggested that HIV positive individuals taking AIDS medication and who use meth may in fact be at greater risk for developing full blown AIDS. The National Institute on Drug Abuse has launched further research to determine the impact of methamphetamine and HIV. It's a deadly serious problem --- and meth use is simply not worth the risk.

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Courtesey of justthinktwice.com

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:31 pm

DesignerGal wrote: For ingredients, check out: justthinktwice.com

Its not so much cocaine as other household stuff like ephedrine from cough and cold medecines purified to a deadly level.

Thanks DG. That was very informative.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:32 pm

Here is one more Clancy!

Methamphetamine is a stimulant, like cocaine. But according to the Director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse "amphetamines are the most potent of the stimulant drugs in that they cause the greatest release of dopamine, more than three times that of cocaine. This extra sense of pleasure is followed by a "crash" that often leads to increased use of the drug and eventually to difficulty in feeling any pleasure."

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:36 pm

Clancy wrote: It was (ages ago) most commonly used for camping stoves, Raven. The destitute would get hold of it because it was cheap That was latterly replaced by cheap fortified wines.

But it was used by {before they were called wino's) vagrants years ago. Some would even drink lighter fluid, or metal cleaning polish...pretty grim eh?
Right! Basic ingredient is methanol! Incredible!

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:38 pm

Raven wrote: Right! Basic ingredient is methanol! Incredible!

ya fuel cars with that stuff geeze eh, the addicts just don't get it.... can you say POISON!

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:38 pm

Raven wrote: Right! Basic ingredient is methanol! Incredible!

I remember it well as my family used it when went out on picnics, etc. I remember that I liked the smell of it burning which is not quite the same as the smell of the spirit.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:42 pm

OpenMind wrote: I remember it well as my family used it when went out on picnics, etc. I remember that I liked the smell of it burning which is not quite the same as the smell of the spirit.
Can you imagine being so desperate as to have to swill that stuff?

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:45 pm

Raven wrote: Can you imagine being so desperate as to have to swill that stuff?

Then, I couldn't. But now, with the benefit of hindsight and empathy, I can imagine a soul whose life is so worthless that methylated spirit would bring solace of a sort.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:13 pm

Clancy wrote: I believe there is a confusion here.

OP...I thought when people in here were talking about Meth? they were meaning Methylated spirit, too.

They're not. It's two completely different things. The "Meth" members from US & Canada are talking about is a form of Cocaine.

Methylated spirits... maybe if we said "Sterno" some more US people would

be a little clearer...

Meth is NOT a "form" of cocaine (Sorry, Clancy). Here is a link:

http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNV ... aring.html

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:04 pm

I saw a news story recently that showed how meth really started it's popularity in Oregon, of all places, and is traveling east fast.