first new car

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:43 am

Way to go.......

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:44 am

Hey,I thought that you guys called your cars Auto's

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:14 am

Way to go! Say, a friend of mine just purchased one too! Quite the fancy Jeep. Hub lockers come standard on the Rubicon - very nice!

Bright yellow with black top. You can't miss him around here. :wah:

Do you do any 4 wheeling? Planning on it?

jwolf7722 wrote: i just bought my first new car today (2004 jeep rubicon) i have always wanted one and with the 4000 rebate i could not pass it up. there is nothing like the feeling of your first new car. this is way more than what i needed but i figure you only live once so live it up while you can.

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:23 am

Oh! Post some photos!

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:46 am

Understood.

But you may like this Jeep a lot better. I traded in a hot black on black Corvette for a 4X4 pickup truck several years ago. I've never looked back.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:55 am

My first new car as in never owned by anybody else was a wee renault clio diesel. I've since had a couple more as I do a high mileage but my last one was drowned while driving through a flood. This idiot in a 4x4 coming towards me send a massive wave at me. Ours aren't as big as yours (4x4's I mean) but it's one of my pet hates. If you go off road fine, if you have a need to tow something like a caravan fine, but in a congested city for the school run driven by people that can't park aaargh!

I am seriously contemplating getting a motor bike as an alternative as our roads are amongst the most congested in the world. a 20mile journey at rush hour takes 40 minutes at the best of times, pick the rush hour and it can easily be two hours plus.

I can see the logic of the big super scooters-I need to get about to meetings-but in truth I fancy a motor bike, maybe I'll go for both, still cheaper than a new car.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:34 am

gmc wrote: My first new car as in never owned by anybody else was a wee renault clio diesel. I've since had a couple more as I do a high mileage but my last one was drowned while driving through a flood. This idiot in a 4x4 coming towards me send a massive wave at me. Ours aren't as big as yours (4x4's I mean) but it's one of my pet hates. If you go off road fine, if you have a need to tow something like a caravan fine, but in a congested city for the school run driven by people that can't park aaargh!

I am seriously contemplating getting a motor bike as an alternative as our roads are amongst the most congested in the world. a 20mile journey at rush hour takes 40 minutes at the best of times, pick the rush hour and it can easily be two hours plus.

I can see the logic of the big super scooters-I need to get about to meetings-but in truth I fancy a motor bike, maybe I'll go for both, still cheaper than a new car.

You must be in the Yook (Grate Britian). A motorbike is a great way to get about,

but there's always the chance of a drenching. Not as often as you might think,

though (try keeping a diary of the actual weather when you travel). I agree

with your comments about 4x4s, most ppl neither need them nor know how to

drive them properly. A pet hate of mine is when one of these clots drives

towards you on a narrow country road, where there's just enough room to pass

on the tarmac. What do they do? Maintain speed, swerve off the road onto the

verge in an exaggerated movement, chewing it up, and roar onwards. Vandals.

The way to prevent this is to stay in the middle of the road and only move over

when they're close and have slowed down!! Grr!

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:07 am

Maintain speed, swerve off the road onto the

verge in an exaggerated movement

I think you're being charitable there in that you assume they know how wide their car is. Try meeting these clots on a single track road or being behind one that doesn't know what a passing place is for.

jwolf7722 not having a go at you. the average american 4x4 won't even fit one of our parking spaces. Where I live they are a symbol of conspicuous consumption rather than any practical value, during the school run they are often driven by little people that are terrified of the sheer size, meeting a car being driven by a pair of knuckles is very disconcerting

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:28 am

gmc wrote: I think you're being charitable there in that you assume they know how wide their car is. Try meeting these clots on a single track road or being behind one that doesn't know what a passing place is for.

A passing place???? I say, you, git orf moi road!

gmc wrote: Where I live they are a symbol of conspicuous consumption rather than any practical value, during the school run they are often driven by little people that are terrified of the sheer size, meeting a car being driven by a pair of knuckles is very disconcerting

Nice mental image generated by those words.... Conspicuous consumption,

right. These things do betweed 10mpg and 18mpg "around town", as well.

Great for the city (and wider) environment!

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:18 am

A passing place???? I say, you, git orf moi road!

Not sure if you know what I mean but in the wild and woolly north of scotland, l;ake district as well come to that, you still get roads that are only wide enough for one car. There are passing places to allow oncoming cars to pass or faster following cars to overtake. Despite huge signs telling people to use the passing places to let people pass, and you would think basic courtesy, you do get the odd individual that refuses to pull in to let you pass either because they just don't get it or they don't care.

Then you get the ones that think everybody should stop for them and that somehow you can avoid them at the last minute so long as they keep coming at you. I'm sure being so high up starves their brain of oxygen but you learn to be wary of them and also that if they are going too fast their instinct will be to swerve to avoid you so if you have the nerve it is them that goes in the ditch and not you.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:27 am

gmc wrote: Not sure if you know what I mean

Yes, I do - the "A passing place???? I say, you, git orf moi road!" was just me

being a 4wd driver!

gmc wrote: but in the wild and woolly north of scotland, l;ake district as well come to that, you still get roads that are only wide enough for one car.

Also in the S/W, Wales, etc.... even in Milton Keynes!

gmc wrote: There are passing places to allow oncoming cars to pass or faster following cars to overtake. Despite huge signs telling people to use the passing places to let people pass, and you would think basic courtesy, you do get the odd individual that refuses to pull in to let you pass either because they just don't get it or they don't care.

Then you get the ones that think everybody should stop for them and that somehow you can avoid them at the last minute so long as they keep coming at you. I'm sure being so high up starves their brain of oxygen but you learn to be wary of them and also that if they are going too fast their instinct will be to swerve to avoid you so if you have the nerve it is them that goes in the ditch and not you.

That's right.... the roads with a small drainage ditch just off the tarmac are

nasty places to get wheels stuck! "Cornish hedges", a bank of stone walls

with an infill of "rubble" and a hedge growing on top relieve them of paint

and wing mirrors... unfortunately having these great things driven badly

down lanes causes damage to the hedges eventually (so do carelessly-

driven tractors).

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:31 am

gmc wrote: in the wild and woolly north of scotland, l;ake district as well

I meant to ask, are you Up North, or even in Scotland? I'm about 2/5 of the

way up England and towards the middle at the mo.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:06 am

A very interesting site about Scotland and the Ulster Scots history in America, its now a show...[url]http://www.oneagleswingshow.com

Check it out Peg, gmc and others.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:19 am

capt_buzzard wrote: A very interesting site about Scotland and the Ulster Scots history in America, its now a show...[url]http://www.oneaglewingshow.com

Check it out Peg, gmc and others.

Have you posted this in the wrong thread by any chance?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:32 am

I meant to ask, are you Up North, or even in Scotland? I'm about 2/5 of the

way up England and towards the middle at the

I'm in the central belt but my hobbies are hillwalking and mountain biking so I tend to head north rather a lot. When I can't be bothered with a three hour drive I have this almost on my doorstep,

http://www.thebicycleworks.co.uk/glentress/index.html

Quite civilised really, toilets and changing rooms at the car park for the softies not like the real thing at all.

Have a look at this

http://www.arnoldsucks.com/

came across it by accident while looking for a car. How to get your own back at a car dealer, be an IT consultant and put a link on the dealers web site to your own and then get everybody to tell their stories.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:05 am

gmc wrote: I'm in the central belt

Ah, it's a rift valley IIRC.

gmc wrote: but my hobbies are hillwalking and mountain biking so I tend to head north rather a lot. When I can't be bothered with a three hour drive I have this almost on my doorstep,

http://www.thebicycleworks.co.uk/glentress/index.html

Quite civilised really, toilets and changing rooms at the car park for the softies not like the real thing at all.

Sounds nice, I used to do a lot of walking, caving, that sort of thing...

gmc wrote: Have a look at this

http://www.arnoldsucks.com/

came across it by accident while looking for a car. How to get your own back at a car dealer, be an IT consultant and put a link on the dealers web site to your own and then get everybody to tell their stories.

Hm, a few people seem to be a little upset!

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:43 am

Interesting discussion. (I like/love cars.) Yes, we don't have near the space issues that most of you do across the big pond. But....

Are you all familiar with Suburbans? Ford Expeditions? Quite the big cars.

I find it very funny and interesting that when GM/Chevy introduced their new line of Suburbans a couple of years back, they flew all the car magazine editors and press out to Montana to test drive them.

Why? Because size of the vehicle becomes less of a noticeable factor when you are out in a wide open area with large roads and big spacious parking lots.

This didn't fool any of the editors though. They all wrote about it.

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:44 pm

Oh, and I'm guilty of owning a big vehicle. I need it and depend on it though to take care of our property, maintain our roads, blast a path out through the snow, haul equipment, camping, and you name it. But then again, small cars are the exception here. Mostly trucks.

Here is a cell camera shot taken last week. 2 cubic yards of crushed 1/8 granite for the garage area. Now if I could only get a real dump truck....

Attached files

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:52 am

I don't have a problem with big cars per se, from choice I would always buy an estate before a small car but my business mileage is 20,000 to 25,000 a year in a heavily congested built up area where a large car is a pain to find a parking space. we used to have two cars currently just one but that's racking up 36,000 a year hence the interest in alternatives. Going in to the town centre is easy-take a train but I need to get about and public transport just doesn't hack it, If not careful about timing I can easily spend 3-4 hours in traffic jams. Bow it looks like I will have to pay road tolls as well to get in.

You need your truck and I can see the point in wide open spaces or areas where the roads are unmetalled but most of the 4x4's in the UK never go anywhere near a field. These things are anything from Ã‚£15,000 upwards to buy and not being bought for any practical reason you get more space in estate cars and the handling is crap. On twisty roads you meet these things in the middle of the road on bends because they can't take corners properly

If I planned to take up offroading or tow one of these big caravans I would buy one but other than that there are a lot better cars to drive.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:16 am

gmc wrote: I don't have a problem with big cars per se, from choice I would always buy an estate before a small car but my business mileage is 20,000 to 25,000

I've been looking at this, my POS Ford will do 40MPG on a run, a smaller car

may get 50... these things (Expedition, Suburban etc) do a really crap 10-12!!

It's no wonder the U.S.A. shts itself about oil..... it's the same here, however,

if we all drove stuff like the appalling "Freelander", which does about 17MPG

(when actually mobile) we'd use a lot more oil (and be choking and wheezing

to boot).

gmc wrote: You need your truck [Tombstone]

I wonder whether it's necessary all the time... BTW, it looks as if he's been

diddled on his two yards of chippings (unless it's because I,m more used to

dealing in tonnes or cubic metres)...

gmc wrote: and I can see the point in wide open spaces or areas where the roads are unmetalled but most of the 4x4's in the UK never go anywhere near a field. These things are anything from Ã‚£15,000 upwards to buy and not being bought for any practical reason you get more space in estate cars and the handling is crap. On twisty roads you meet these things in the middle of the road on bends because they can't take corners properly.

I knew a chap who had a Vauxhall Frontera, when it (eventually) attained any

speed it was like racing, in a bus.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:15 am

I've been looking at this, my POS Ford will do 40MPG on a run, a smaller car

may get 50... these things (

pos ford?

I would buy diese as I actually prtefer them to petrol, the direct injection do 60-70 mpg (imperial gallons not the to the gallon(proper UK gallons not the wimpy US one) but to get one new you pay a premium, I can get a one small petrol car for under Ã‚£6,000 easily but the same car diesel engine is full retail typically Ã‚£2,000 more. I can tell you from personal experience four years later with 100,000 plus you don't get the differebce back as a trade in. My last one I was gong to keep till 200,000 and had just fixed all the suspension, radiator bits that fall off with that intention, then it got drowned :wah: :wah: by an inconsiderate pillock in a 4x4

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:27 am

My truck is a diesel as well. Gets great mileage considering it weighs over 7000 lbs. empty.

Do I need the truck all the time? Yes and no. Much more often the answer is yes.

The more appropriate question is: What do you do when you need to plow snow, grade a road, haul thousands of pounds of wood or rock, pull trees, haul metal working equipment, carpentry gear, welding equipment, carry a camper, etc. Having a small car just doesn't cut it. I do, however, understand the frustration with the city and suburban dwellers who are competing with the large cars.

Diddled on my load? Nope.

I loaded it myself with a 1.25 cubic yard front loader. Two scoops of rocks is about as heavy as I want to run her.

(Sorry about the previous post. I'm over at CVX's house waiting for him to get off the phone. I just posted under his login by mistake.)

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:59 am

We mods & rockers all had our scooters in the 1960s/70s

But you guy's would not remember those years. I guess I'm the Grandad here :wah:

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:06 pm

scooter

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:27 pm

absolutely! you may have me beat for 10 years or so - but i still recognize things from my childhood.

capt_buzzard wrote: We mods & rockers all had our scooters in the 1960s/70s

But you guy's would not remember those years. I guess I'm the Grandad here :wah:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:57 pm

Having a small car just doesn't cut it. I do, however, understand the frustration with the city and suburban dwellers who are competing with the large cars.

Like i said you need your truck. I have no problem with 4x4's just some of the twits that buy them for no good reason and lack consideration or the ability to drive them. Actually i fancy a subaru but they are too expensive to run , I tow a caravan but also travel a lot in snow and ice, towing in winter as well. Small caravan big heater.

We mods & rockers all had our scooters in the 1960s/70s

But you guy's would not remember those years. I guess I'm the Grandad here

I too remeber them from childhood, which were you mod or rocker.

Actually it's really funny seeing the mods making a comeback right to the fishtail parkas. It's like flared trousers I always feel like going up and saying i wore those when they were original.

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:01 pm

Small and BIG!

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Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:02 pm

My younger friends always tell me that I'm stuck in the '70's. Good place to be stuck, I say!

gmc wrote: Actually it's really funny seeing the mods making a comeback right to the fishtail parkas. It's like flared trousers I always feel like going up and saying i wore those when they were original.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:57 am

gmc wrote: pos ford?

Piece of sht

gmc wrote:

I would buy diese as I actually prtefer them to petrol, the direct injection do 60-70 mpg (imperial gallons not the to the gallon(proper UK gallons not the wimpy US one) but to get one new you pay a premium, I can get a one small petrol car for under Ã‚£6,000 easily but the same car diesel engine is full retail typically Ã‚£2,000 more. I can tell you from personal experience four years later with 100,000 plus you don't get the differebce back as a trade in. My last one I was gong to keep till 200,000 and had just fixed all the suspension, radiator bits that fall off with that intention, then it got drowned :wah: :wah: by an inconsiderate pillock in a 4x4

My next car will be a diesel. I have not noticed the price difference you

mentioned, though!

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:03 am

Good Morning Sikes.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:18 am

capt_buzzard wrote: Good Morning Sikes.

Mornin', Cap'n.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:55 pm

My next car will be a diesel. I have not noticed the price difference you

mentioned, though!

Not on list price but usually petrol cars are heavily discountes or pre registered which makes a heck of a difference.

Still think I will get a super scooter for commuting. I can buy one second hand for less than it cost me to service my car. Every tiome the sun shines it seems like a good idea.

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:24 am

Every boy's dream in America:

http://vette-net.com/movies/ABoysDream-High.mov

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:59 am

Very nice! What size wheels do you have on it? They look bigger than 20".

What is the color called?

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valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:11 pm

Ah yes, congrats, I remember that feeling well! Mine was a beauty of a 1986

Honda Accord LX. Bluebell, her name was. Got close to 40 miles per, doing 70

across the Nevada desert with a/c and cruise control on.

I remember telling the salesman it was my first new one and I was a tad

afraid to drive her home... and he said "That's nothing I was waving goodbye

to a guy as he drove off the lot and WHAM"! Can you imagine? I of course

thanked the guy for easing my fears... :rolleyes: