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PatrickB1979 wrote: I wanted to see if Paula was actually ignoring. I am of the belief, however, that being passive aggressive is no worse than an outright inslut, but, hey, thats me. I apologize if I insulted anyone.
i do suspect calling someone an idiot is an insult....and it is against the terms of service here, a personal attack. same garbage from you this morning in re: Bothwell, calling him "old man". trust me, Bothwell is not old. you need an arrogance/attitude adjustment
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PatrickB1979 wrote: Sorry
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What is an inslut, a transexual? This is why i have not seen any of Patricks posts. I can tell he is here on an agenda and its not going to be me. I have expressed myself about gay marriage, i don't want to know about it! When something STINKS you stay away from it... :lips: I am not an inslut and if this behavior continues i am calling the police, OKAY.
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Paula you are too funny! :yh_rotfl

Patrick that's the best Freudian typo I've ever seen. :lips:
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there are numerous post by him and i can't see them....and i won't. an in-slut lets face it, it could have been some kind of a slut? i don't know... ;)
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lady cop wrote: it is against the terms of service here, a personal attack


That seems a bit sad. I would far rather that "excessive personal attacks" were against the TOS.
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OLD, it's OK lady Cop I AM old to these young uns :D

No particular thoughts on the subject in question but if Patrick wants to marry another guy I wish him every happiness.
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Bothwell wrote: OLD, it's OK lady Cop I AM old to these young uns :D

No particular thoughts on the subject in question but if Patrick wants to marry another guy I wish him every happiness. NO NO. this I cannot agree on. Two blokes getting married. No its daft.This is taking it to far. Bring back the hanging tree.
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greydeadhead wrote: Well Capt. .. being old fashioned is one thing.. but being homophobic is another. Do you disagree or agree with allowing the gay/lesbian community the same rights and protections that you are afforded by law..?? That is the real question here.You don't believe in your God's law where this is concerned? Man's Law is not God's Law. Perhaps Ted can answer this?
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capt_buzzard wrote: NO NO. this I cannot agree on. Two blokes getting married. No its daft.This is taking it to far. Bring back the hanging tree.


Why? Do you feel like killing yourself? We would miss you!
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koan wrote: Why? Do you feel like killing yourself? We would miss you!hehehe. You are getting better Lov.
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PEIGuy: One of the best things about this place is that you can have a vigorous, heated debate on one board and on a totally different subject, the same person you were arguing with, agrees with you. It's one of my favorite things about FG. So, don't worry about your popularity!

As for your stats on the opinions on homosexuality, would you agree that polls can be twisted and "fiddled with" to show exactly what the pollsters want them to show? Not discounting your opinion at all, just playing devil's advocate. Because I am basically neutral on this subject. Just making a point that is really not relavent to the subject at all! :yh_bigsmi
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BabyRider wrote: PEIGuy: One of the best things about this place is that you can have a vigorous, heated debate on one board and on a totally different subject, the same person you were arguing with, agrees with you. It's one of my favorite things about FG. So, don't worry about your popularity!

As for your stats on the opinions on homosexuality, would you agree that polls can be twisted and "fiddled with" to show exactly what the pollsters want them to show? Not discounting your opinion at all, just playing devil's advocate. Because I am basically neutral on this subject. Just making a point that is really not relavent to the subject at all! :yh_bigsmi PEIGUY, We are all tame really. Isn't that right BabyRider
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PEIguy wrote: Yeah...I've gathered this is a forum where someone can have a different opinion and not be judged by it. Oh we have very heated discussions. But relax man. I have nothing against Gays. I have friends who are gay and have discussed this with them too. I just don't buy into same sex marriage.
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PEIguy wrote: Yeah...I've gathered this is a forum where someone can have a different opinion and not be judged by it.
Oh you'll be judged. Burned at the stake, drawn and quartered...you name it! :yh_rotfl



Seriously. It really is one of my very most favorite things about the Garden. I could give you examples of people here who have adamantly argued with me in one post, and then they turned around and joked with me, or supported me on another. Just because opinions differ doesn't mean it's personal. The really cool thing is that there's a few in here I consider real friends. (Is it still cool to say "cool"?) There's one member here I thought was going to hate me in the beginning, and now I think she's one of the best ones here. :yh_peace
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BabyRider wrote: Oh you'll be judged. Burned at the stake, drawn and quartered...you name it! :yh_rotfl



Seriously. It really is one of my very most favorite things about the Garden. I could give you examples of people here who have adamantly argued with me in one post, and then they turned around and joked with me, or supported me on another. Just because opinions differ doesn't mean it's personal. The really cool thing is that there's a few in here I consider real friends. (Is it still cool to say "cool"?) There's one member here I thought was going to hate me in the beginning, and now I think she's one of the best ones here. :yh_peaceLoving you BabyRider
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Peigui... Very informative .. Im glad you posted the information. I believe all the facts contained in it to be true. I have always known that homo sexuality was not a choice. But I also agree that you cant change anyones mind who is anti gay.

The marriage issue is another arena. I commented on it way back on the thread.

I did , again, want to say that I appreciated seeing the clinical explanation.
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I have always wanted to share a concept I discovered from having very close relationships with gay friends. I learned that we all have sexual boundaries set up for ourselves, Within this circle we describe ourselves as one sexual preference or another. For some people to discover you can have love feelings for a member of the opposite sex ( not sexual feelings.. love feelings) is very frightening. It threatens the boundaries. Being in the company of gay couples who love each other, seperates the love issue from the sex issue. It enables one to see taht loving anyone is quite possible, and then again for some frightening.

I want to make it clear also though, that boundaries are a good thing. Some choose to stay within them.. It is what makes us civilized. Some choose to walk beyond them, and often this create chaos and confusion. Thus the concept of Bi sexuality which really is just a temorary foray into adventure. Go back and see my suggestion for an institution created especially for gay couples. So that they can have a union to call their own, enjoy all the benefits of marriage, and not

disturb the sanctity of traditional marriage. Because it is an institution deserving to be held the highest esteem, and reverence. It is a circle which includes a man and a woman, not two people of the opposite sex. As respectful people they need to know they have to go to another place to legally unite.
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I am tired of the complaining here. Men love men--OKAY, if they want to marry, let them go? This topic has not been in the news lately, i am wondering the progress of the passage of GAY MARRIAGE? Has it passed anywhere? I think a few states offer the right? Not sure...Did i miss something? :lips: please no hitting.
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PEIguy wrote: The concept of love has occupied virtually every philosopher and psychologist throughout time. I hardly feel qualified to comment, but I will.



The ability to love is a complex interplay of many different centers within the human brain. Without delving on the science of love, I'll only point out that love is a very different thing to every person, just as sex is. When a person really loves another, such as a child, a spouse, or a friend, the depth of the feeling is partially related to ones ability to care for another. Very self centered, or introverted people do not form as strong a bond with others... Even ones maternal/paternal bonding is partially driven through ones genetic and hence, hormonal makeup.



History is rich with both same sex and opposite sex love stories which did not involve sex.



There are those who claim true love "Must" involve sex, but interestingly, this tends to be a male dominated attitude.







This is where we agree to disagree. Throughout history, people who had same sex love for each other, or just knew they were only attracted to same sex individuals, were ostracized. The heterosexual majority treated these people as unnatural. The sociological impact was that many committed suicide, or pretended to be normal by forming a "marriage" which was born out of a lie. After all, if one wanted to succeed and advance in their careers, a normal family unit was almost a requirement.



Homosexuals were disowned by families and friends and to live where they met others like themselves and possibly have a relationship, they generally had to leave their homes and migrate to a large city where they could lose themselves in the crowd, in a manner of speaking.



I have known of gays to be beaten and even killed, because they were different. So long as we have a distinction between same sex relationships and heterosexual relationships, we will perpetuate the status quo and force many to hide their true selves.



Whether we are talking race, mental health or ability, religion or sexuality, our tribal tendencies are to identify with those who are homogeneous (similar) to ourselves.



Until 2004, same sex couples in Canada lacked many benefits that others took for granted. Some very brave souls stood up to ridicule and fought battles in court for such things as Survivor Benefits. Because the union of a same sex couple in a committed long term relationship was viewed as less then equal, it was an excuse for the government to deny benefits, yet a heterosexual couple who cohabitated for 2 years, even if they refused to marry or lacked a will to committ to one another, automatically qualified for these benefits. When important recussitation decisions were required for medical reasons, until recently, family members one hasn't seen or talked to in years, had more say then ones chosen life partner.



I fail to see how the love of 2 people who are of a different sex, is in any way dimenished by a few couples who are of the same phisical sexual appearance where gender is concerned. In such a case, it would appear that a majority jealously wishes to maintain something exclusively for itself.



That being said, the Legislation being introduced in Canada's Parliament will establish the mechanism for same sex marriages. This is a result of the Supreme Court in 7 provinces and one territory, already ruling that same sex marriages are "Legal" in their jurisdictions. The legislation tabled specifically maintains an exclusion for religious groups. This means no church will be forced to provide same sex services.



Anyway, I've gone beyond my own 2 cents worth and probably spend a dime :) Well they do say Love is Blind. Oh what the heck, let them get on with it.
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This sounds like a topic for you guys in the developed world and I don't know how to state my opinion without offending those that are in support of gay marriage. Well forgive me if you find my post unpalatable, nothing personal please.

I find gay marriage as an unthinkable institution and in my opinion a complete derailment from the way nature beautifully planned our world. A writer once said that "if homosexuality was the right way, God would have created Adam and Bruce"

A man is simply made for a woman, when I look at a beautiful lady and remember what the gays are missing, I get surprised. A man has nothing to turn on a fellow man in my humble opinion. I can only describe the backing of gay marriage by law in any land as unfortunate.
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Hello PEIguy, thanks for your response which I can best describe as a rhetorical question because we all know who created the homosexuals. First and foremost, any long debate on this issue will hardly take us anywhere because an agreement may never be reached by those for and those against gay marriage. Also, its equally difficult and probabably impossible for those who are gay and does who despise homosexuality on the grounds of religion to reach a common ground. To this end, any dabate will be merely and endless ranting by both sides without compromise which defeats the aim of constructive discourse.

I belong to the camp that is against gay marriage on the basis oif religion and have nothing against those that are in the other camp. To answer your question, God created all of us but it is our free will to be homosexual or othewise. Although some sceintists may tell you that it is in the genes of some people, hence natural to be gay, but I'm sorry to say that I don't subscribe to that.
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Please, tip-toe thru the tulips carefully. People get very emotional on the gay marriage thread. Please use caution when expressing any opinions? :lips: did you have to do that!
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The Religious groups and churches will use this to bring in more converts and $$.

Praise the Lord.
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Paula wrote: Please, tip-toe thru the tulips carefully. People get very emotional on the gay marriage thread. Please use caution when expressing any opinions? :lips: did you have to do that!


Oh puh-lease, I think they are doing a fine job of debating the topic. Notice they do it without ignorant, derogratory remarks? No need to tiptoe.
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Welcome Back Peg;)
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Thanks Captain :D Was I gone? :eek: ;)
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PEIguy wrote: I agree, Peg.



I have expressed opinions that I hold, and have tried to further debate on the issue through inclusion of information, few are exposed to in their daily lives. I realize that I am not going to change the minds of those who fight the issue on religious grounds and this was never my objective.



Just as I have fought for years, for a woman's right to chose, among other issues, I do so from my beliefs, which can not be held up as any more valid then theirs.



Why do I spend time typing opinions on such issues? Doing so provides an incentive to constantly challange my thoughts on an issue and if a few others do the same, perhaps a few will be more thoughtful about an issue.



I know when I started writing on the issue on another forum, at least 2 individuals have become much more accepting of people. My task is often thankless since the issue is usually discussed in an emothional slant rather then logic. After all, the Canadian press has been full of church leaders saying things about gays as though they are dregs of society...



I wonder why these same leaders don't also start looking at other issues that affect them more...fornicators who jump from woman to woman...family violence, children in Poverty (here and not on the other side of the world)...deadbeat dads who forces the woman he impregnated, along with her children to a life of Poverty. In terms of numbers, it would seem these are important areas, yet I do not see them addressed publically. Why have they not done more to right the child abuse that happened and was able to continue when church leaders moved offenders from parish to parish.



I think if we choose issues, we should not be so selective. I speak as one who grew up in the church as an altar boy and attended Catholic church until grade 10. Thank you PEIguy. Your Looking Good from here.
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Tim Shelley wrote: Exactly what is it about Gay Marriage that you are against? Is it the lifestyle, or the financial securities our Government affords "traditional" married couples? Remember before you answer that there are people that do not believe in marriage in the governmental sense that pay taxes that also provide these financial securities.
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well this is going to be very politically incorrect. and i don't care. i have been around a while. i have gay friends from back when gay meant 'happy'. i love key west and count screaming queens among my favorite people, but i am going to say something very shocking and upsetting to some...men having sex with men is repulsive in my opinion. just absolutely sickening and disgusting, and anyone who wants to yell at me, feel free. i am happy that my man loves my body and my smell and my skin and my softness and femininity, handcuffs and all. a man will have his woman and a man will have his mate. and if he's fortunate, she loves him with all her heart, soul and body. it's about hard on soft.
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I agree LC, it is a repulsive thought, but as long as they aren't forcing me to watch or participate, I think gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples.
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Tim Shelley wrote: I was directing my question to Paula. Sorry, still learning the ropes.
No apologies necessary! Just tryin to help out! :yh_bigsmi
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Its the end of most stuff in this life anyway. Who cares anymore. Let them marry and let them have the full rights as any normal male -female relationship. No one cares except the religious nuts.
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