We are going to try and address so-called "contradictions" some folks say they see in the Bible.
Let's keep it simple and go one at a time.
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I dont know if this is really a contradiction to anyone else, but to me it is in its simplest form:
In Exodus it says "Thou shalt not kill" but in Ecclesiastes it says "There is a time to kill".
In Exodus it says "Thou shalt not kill" but in Ecclesiastes it says "There is a time to kill".
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I have to agree on this one. Jesus said, ",,,,,,,thou shalt do no murder,,,,". And the other is about defense or true punishment.
Otherwise, why did God tell Joshua to take Jericho and spare no one, etc?
So, no contradiction there.
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Otherwise, why did God tell Joshua to take Jericho and spare no one, etc?
So, no contradiction there.
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FINE!! I guess I will have to try and come up with something better. I guess thats what I get for joining a forum with really smart people involved!:)
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downag wrote: We are going to try and address so-called "contradictions" some folks say they see in the Bible.
Let's keep it simple and go one at a time.
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The Anointing at Bethany.
1. When?
2.Who's house?
Let's keep it simple and go one at a time.
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The Anointing at Bethany.
1. When?
2.Who's house?
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memebias wrote: The Anointing at Bethany.
1. When?
2.Who's house?
At Bethany's house, duh?!?!?:wah:
1. When?
2.Who's house?
At Bethany's house, duh?!?!?:wah:
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Far Rider wrote: Two different "kills"... in the first thou shalt not kill..its thou shalt not murder. In the second a time to kill... its killing as an act of defense, or for punishment.
Where in Exodus does it qualify the commandment?
From the King James :-
Thou shalt not kill. cb(20,14); 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. cb(20,15); 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. cb(20,16); 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. cb(20,17);
Surely a straight prohibition?
Where in Exodus does it qualify the commandment?
From the King James :-
Thou shalt not kill. cb(20,14); 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. cb(20,15); 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. cb(20,16); 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. cb(20,17);
Surely a straight prohibition?
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Well...there's the whole Cain and Able incest thing..
But since my mother taught me that the Bible is a good book to live by, but wasn't meant to be taken as literal scientific fact, I can't argue here.
Ted (who's taught me bunches) also said, "God talks to us through the Bible, but the Bible itself is our attempt to interpret his messages.":-2
But since my mother taught me that the Bible is a good book to live by, but wasn't meant to be taken as literal scientific fact, I can't argue here.
Ted (who's taught me bunches) also said, "God talks to us through the Bible, but the Bible itself is our attempt to interpret his messages.":-2
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Perhaps we could have a shot at "In my Father’s house are many mansions" vis-a-vis "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me". It might be that there's no contradiction, of course. I'm not so sure.
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This is a very lengthy topic but very interesting and very worthwhile.
In Matt 27:5 of Judas "Throwing down the pieces of silver in the temple, he departed; and he went and hanged himself."
Whereas in Acts 1:18 we read that "Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his wickedness; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out."
Ther are pleanty more but I will only post on two at a time.
With a little creative thinking or dancing one can make up a story to harmonize these two.
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In Matt 27:5 of Judas "Throwing down the pieces of silver in the temple, he departed; and he went and hanged himself."
Whereas in Acts 1:18 we read that "Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his wickedness; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out."
Ther are pleanty more but I will only post on two at a time.
With a little creative thinking or dancing one can make up a story to harmonize these two.
Shalom
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Well Ted, you sure did pick a doosey!:yh_whistl
This is why it is said that scripture needs to be compared with scripture, and I wish I had my e-sword (vast Bible references to cut and paste) program on this computer I'm using.; but here goes.
The story is told, that Judas "repented" (changed his mind) about turning Jesus in to the guards that night, and he went and took the money paid to him (30 pieces of silver) back to the temple and tried to give it back to the priests. They said no, we can't take it back. Leaving, he threw it onto the floor.
The other version says he went and bought a piece of property with the money and killed himself there.
Some liberty of spirit and thinking is needed!
If then, Judas repented of his deed he was ready to come "clean" about it to whomever was concerned about it (the apostles, etc). None of them were present and would needs be dependant upon secondhand information. Two stories, both saying Judas killed himself; one that he hanged himself the other that he jumped to his death.
Do these describe the condition of his body upon discovery? Probably.
How can one both be hanged and disemboweled? It is hard to imagine doing both these things to yourself. You cannot first hang yourself then jump somewhere; neither can you jump then hang.
Judas was tore up about Jesus death and his part in it. He "repented" and took the money back.
I THINK he was murdered by the priests to shut him up. They spread the lies to protect themselves and the lies reached the writers of the gospels and God inspired then to include them.
Let them that have "ears to hear, hear what the spirit says to the churches"!
This is the theory subscribed to by many I am aware of, and this story is presented at "theseason.org".
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This is why it is said that scripture needs to be compared with scripture, and I wish I had my e-sword (vast Bible references to cut and paste) program on this computer I'm using.; but here goes.
The story is told, that Judas "repented" (changed his mind) about turning Jesus in to the guards that night, and he went and took the money paid to him (30 pieces of silver) back to the temple and tried to give it back to the priests. They said no, we can't take it back. Leaving, he threw it onto the floor.
The other version says he went and bought a piece of property with the money and killed himself there.
Some liberty of spirit and thinking is needed!
If then, Judas repented of his deed he was ready to come "clean" about it to whomever was concerned about it (the apostles, etc). None of them were present and would needs be dependant upon secondhand information. Two stories, both saying Judas killed himself; one that he hanged himself the other that he jumped to his death.
Do these describe the condition of his body upon discovery? Probably.
How can one both be hanged and disemboweled? It is hard to imagine doing both these things to yourself. You cannot first hang yourself then jump somewhere; neither can you jump then hang.
Judas was tore up about Jesus death and his part in it. He "repented" and took the money back.
I THINK he was murdered by the priests to shut him up. They spread the lies to protect themselves and the lies reached the writers of the gospels and God inspired then to include them.
Let them that have "ears to hear, hear what the spirit says to the churches"!
This is the theory subscribed to by many I am aware of, and this story is presented at "theseason.org".
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downag wrote: I THINK he was murdered by the priests to shut him up. They spread the lies to protect themselves and the lies reached the writers of the gospels and God inspired then to include them. I thought we were trying to reconcile contrasting statements within the Bible, not to write fiction.
I have no problem with Ted's two references - if you cut a decomposing hanged body down from a tree and the impact with the ground spills the viscera, it's not a great surprise.
I have no problem with Ted's two references - if you cut a decomposing hanged body down from a tree and the impact with the ground spills the viscera, it's not a great surprise.
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spot?!
If that is what happened, I think it would have been recorded as such. No where does it even imply that Judas was cut down and when he hit his guts came out. It says A. He hanged himself. B. He threw himself "HEADLONG" off a cliff AND his guts came out.
You have created a fiction. Not I.
I speculated upon what IS WRITTEN, reasonably so. You fabricated.
Matthew's account is not Luke's account in Acts and vis versa.
For your sumation to hold water, you should include the number of days he was in that condition before he was found. Who found him? Was it the vultures circling overhead that drew attention to his location? See? More would have made the story complete. These kinds of other facts are lacking, to speculate the way you did.
Given the conditions in Jerusalem with the Sanhedran (sp?) and what transpired regarding Jesus and Judas role in the plot to murder Christ, what I have speculated is wholey possible and makes down right sense.
It's not germain to salvation whether one thinks Judas was murdered or he killed himself. But I believe the Bible is inspired by God. I have heard a viable explanation to the supposed contradiction and am satisfied that God has showed me an extra-Biblical truth.
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If that is what happened, I think it would have been recorded as such. No where does it even imply that Judas was cut down and when he hit his guts came out. It says A. He hanged himself. B. He threw himself "HEADLONG" off a cliff AND his guts came out.
You have created a fiction. Not I.
I speculated upon what IS WRITTEN, reasonably so. You fabricated.
Matthew's account is not Luke's account in Acts and vis versa.
For your sumation to hold water, you should include the number of days he was in that condition before he was found. Who found him? Was it the vultures circling overhead that drew attention to his location? See? More would have made the story complete. These kinds of other facts are lacking, to speculate the way you did.
Given the conditions in Jerusalem with the Sanhedran (sp?) and what transpired regarding Jesus and Judas role in the plot to murder Christ, what I have speculated is wholey possible and makes down right sense.
It's not germain to salvation whether one thinks Judas was murdered or he killed himself. But I believe the Bible is inspired by God. I have heard a viable explanation to the supposed contradiction and am satisfied that God has showed me an extra-Biblical truth.
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downag wrote: God has showed me an extra-Biblical truth.That's a perfect description, I'll treasure it.
It says "He threw himself "HEADLONG" off a cliff"? Where? The verses Ted quoted were:
Matthew 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out.On what basis do you interpolate "threw himself" or "cliff"? You can't just invent these things out of nowhere.
I wouldn't dream of speculating, I was attempting to reconcile the two accounts on the basis of the scriptural text. If you're using a different translation then by all means tell us which.
Headlong, by the way, means horizontal - stretched out flat.
It says "He threw himself "HEADLONG" off a cliff"? Where? The verses Ted quoted were:
Matthew 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out.On what basis do you interpolate "threw himself" or "cliff"? You can't just invent these things out of nowhere.
I wouldn't dream of speculating, I was attempting to reconcile the two accounts on the basis of the scriptural text. If you're using a different translation then by all means tell us which.
Headlong, by the way, means horizontal - stretched out flat.
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Far Rider wrote: Stongs definition:
It primary use is premeditated murder....
......If it said thou shalt not kill then later when the levitical law was laid down then this should have been changed, yet it stands. So Levitical law lays down degrees of murder... its an incredibly long study.
The verse in Ecc.
Different Hebrew word for kill... "Harag"
Same meaning differnt order of usage, here it means to kill, slay. It can refer to murder but not as its primary usage.
So I guess ya'll got a choice to make... I refer to the context to make my decision.
The passage in ecclesiates is talking about times,seasons, cycles, human events, etc.
"There is a time to kill and a time to heal".... I looked up to "heal" and it says to heal or be restore health...
So maybe "kill" here refers to ruin or destroy as in its second meaning usage?
That would fit with the passages use of opposites in its scheme.
A time to be ruined (kill) a time to be restored (Heal)...
It would make sense this way since we know that unless there is a miracle being restored from being killed is not a normal seasonal thing.
Hm – my Hebrew isn't any too strong. Thanks for the translation
I'm quite happy with the reading of Ecclesiastes as a time to harm and a time to heal – that fits in fine but I'm definitely not sure of your reading of the commandments.
It seems to me as straightforward a prohibition as you're going to get (and, as an aside, Downag, you cannot show there's no contradiction by quoting another contradictory passage).
The fact that it wasn't changed later does not alter the original intent.
I'll have to think about this one.
It primary use is premeditated murder....
......If it said thou shalt not kill then later when the levitical law was laid down then this should have been changed, yet it stands. So Levitical law lays down degrees of murder... its an incredibly long study.
The verse in Ecc.
Different Hebrew word for kill... "Harag"
Same meaning differnt order of usage, here it means to kill, slay. It can refer to murder but not as its primary usage.
So I guess ya'll got a choice to make... I refer to the context to make my decision.
The passage in ecclesiates is talking about times,seasons, cycles, human events, etc.
"There is a time to kill and a time to heal".... I looked up to "heal" and it says to heal or be restore health...
So maybe "kill" here refers to ruin or destroy as in its second meaning usage?
That would fit with the passages use of opposites in its scheme.
A time to be ruined (kill) a time to be restored (Heal)...
It would make sense this way since we know that unless there is a miracle being restored from being killed is not a normal seasonal thing.
Hm – my Hebrew isn't any too strong. Thanks for the translation
I'm quite happy with the reading of Ecclesiastes as a time to harm and a time to heal – that fits in fine but I'm definitely not sure of your reading of the commandments.
It seems to me as straightforward a prohibition as you're going to get (and, as an aside, Downag, you cannot show there's no contradiction by quoting another contradictory passage).
The fact that it wasn't changed later does not alter the original intent.
I'll have to think about this one.
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Ummm...just for a moment, back to the "killing" thing.
Since when did God give us the power to act as judge? I thought it also said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"???? So killing as punishment should not be a reasonable out, yes?
Since when did God give us the power to act as judge? I thought it also said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"???? So killing as punishment should not be a reasonable out, yes?
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Far Rider wrote: Well...
You jusy have to decide wether that single word "kill" means murder or just death.
It still remains straight forward.
The definition of kill is easy - to cause to die.
It's whether the original text had any other interpretation and intention
You jusy have to decide wether that single word "kill" means murder or just death.
It still remains straight forward.
The definition of kill is easy - to cause to die.
It's whether the original text had any other interpretation and intention
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Far Rider wrote: Oh yeah you better know now I dont explain things very well....
You have the original word...make your decision...
Ah, sorry, I take things too literally sometimes (and too silly at others)
Excuse me whilst I sit and think
You have the original word...make your decision...
Ah, sorry, I take things too literally sometimes (and too silly at others)
Excuse me whilst I sit and think
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Far Rider wrote: I looked at this one Spot trying to see a contradiction, I dont see one. Can you elaborate a bit?Commentators over the years have suggested that "In my Father’s house are many mansions" offers hope of a place in heaven to non-Christians. I can see why you don't find a contradiction in the two verses.
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Far Rider wrote: Ok I have to ask Jives where do you find incest with Cain and Abel?Allow me... who were the parents of Cain and Abel's wives?
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spot wrote: Allow me... who were the parents of Cain and Abel's wives?According to Genesis, people lived very long lives before the flood. Adam and Eve had many children after Cain, Abel and Seth, who in turn had many children. It's inescapable that one of Adam and Eve's direct descendants would have to have married a sibling in order to produce a second generation. After that, more extended family were available. Seeing that they were our first ancestors, their genetic make up probably was far superior to ours and could probably have children of closer relatives that we can without ill effects. (mutations only result in loss of information- not in new or improved information. Devo was right. We are De-evolving). Cain may have married one of his nieces. We are not told that Abel lived to have any children.
God's temporary suspension of the prohibition against incest is not a contradiction but an emergency measure justifiable by God's own higher priority- to populate the earth. God did command them to multiply and fill the earth.
God's temporary suspension of the prohibition against incest is not a contradiction but an emergency measure justifiable by God's own higher priority- to populate the earth. God did command them to multiply and fill the earth.
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I did say that some folks would do some creative writing or dancing. LOL. I must be a prophet. LOL
As far as the executing of criminals goes: in Matt 5:21ff Jesus says otherwise. The execution of criminals is a criminal act itself especially when it results in the execution of innocent men, and it has both in the US and Canada. It is nothing less then murder by the state. Besides that such treatment has no deterrent effect whatsoever. That has been shown time and again. Human law and justice is far from perfect.
In the NT we learn that love qualifies power.
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I did say that some folks would do some creative writing or dancing. LOL. I must be a prophet. LOL
As far as the executing of criminals goes: in Matt 5:21ff Jesus says otherwise. The execution of criminals is a criminal act itself especially when it results in the execution of innocent men, and it has both in the US and Canada. It is nothing less then murder by the state. Besides that such treatment has no deterrent effect whatsoever. That has been shown time and again. Human law and justice is far from perfect.
In the NT we learn that love qualifies power.
Shalom
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Far Rider wrote: Interesting... I understand your perspective.
one way being christians are the only ones who get in yet thereare many places inside once your in so why not other belief systems getting in?
one way, many ways.
Wow, let me digest that one.Quote the whole thing Jesus said:
John 14:2,3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
The purpose of the residences is explained in the next verse, "... that where I am there ye may be also." If one really wants to be with Jesus that will be a great place to spend Eternity. If not, it wouldn't be very desirable. You can tell how much one wants to spend time with Jesus in eternity by how much time they spend with Him now.
one way being christians are the only ones who get in yet thereare many places inside once your in so why not other belief systems getting in?
one way, many ways.
Wow, let me digest that one.Quote the whole thing Jesus said:
John 14:2,3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
The purpose of the residences is explained in the next verse, "... that where I am there ye may be also." If one really wants to be with Jesus that will be a great place to spend Eternity. If not, it wouldn't be very desirable. You can tell how much one wants to spend time with Jesus in eternity by how much time they spend with Him now.
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telaquapacky wrote: Quote the whole thing Jesus said:
John 14:2,3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
The purpose of the residences is explained in the next verse, "... that where I am there ye may be also." If one really wants to be with Jesus that will be a great place to spend Eternity. If not, it wouldn't be very desirable. You can tell how much one wants to spend time with Jesus in eternity by how much time they spend with Him now.
The mansions are what has been prepared for us and Jesus is reassuring the believers about this. A very nice point, telaquapacky.
John 14:2,3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
The purpose of the residences is explained in the next verse, "... that where I am there ye may be also." If one really wants to be with Jesus that will be a great place to spend Eternity. If not, it wouldn't be very desirable. You can tell how much one wants to spend time with Jesus in eternity by how much time they spend with Him now.
The mansions are what has been prepared for us and Jesus is reassuring the believers about this. A very nice point, telaquapacky.
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telaquapacky wrote: God's temporary suspension of the prohibition against incest is not a contradiction but an emergency measure justifiable by God's own higher priority- to populate the earth. God did command them to multiply and fill the earth.You know, it utterly baffles me why anyone would want to treat Genesis as literal fact. I get a lot out of the book, but it's campfire stories of the tribes (which doesn't make it any less the Word of God). Biblical literalism seems so corrupt a point of view, so down-your-throat forceful, so dismissive, so incapable of listening, that I find it a personal embarrassment.
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spot wrote: You know, it utterly baffles me why anyone would want to treat Genesis as literal fact. I get a lot out of the book, but it's campfire stories of the tribes (which doesn't make it any less the Word of God). Biblical literalism seems so corrupt a point of view, so down-your-throat forceful, so dismissive, so incapable of listening, that I find it a personal embarrassment.
Dear Spot, whose opinions I respect, why would you not want to take the Bible literally? You need to believe the Bible, and not pick and choose what parts you like or dislike. If you find it embarrassing, why choose to believe at all?
It is a personal choice.
Dear Spot, whose opinions I respect, why would you not want to take the Bible literally? You need to believe the Bible, and not pick and choose what parts you like or dislike. If you find it embarrassing, why choose to believe at all?
It is a personal choice.
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spot wrote: You know, it utterly baffles me why anyone would want to treat Genesis as literal fact. I get a lot out of the book, but it's campfire stories of the tribes (which doesn't make it any less the Word of God). Biblical literalism seems so corrupt a point of view, so down-your-throat forceful, so dismissive, so incapable of listening, that I find it a personal embarrassment.Ha ha! don't knock it if you haven't tried it. There are a lot of very profound lessons and not a few prophetically significant tidbits to be found there.
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Contradictions in the Bible? Find one, post it here.
Here is another good contradiction.
In Exodus 33:20 "But he [God] said, 'you cannot see m face; for no one shall see me and live."
In Gen.32:39 ""So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, 'For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved.'
There are others on lthis same topic with equal discrepecy. However, these only matter if you take the Bible literally. Now for some more creative activity. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
In Exodus 33:20 "But he [God] said, 'you cannot see m face; for no one shall see me and live."
In Gen.32:39 ""So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, 'For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved.'
There are others on lthis same topic with equal discrepecy. However, these only matter if you take the Bible literally. Now for some more creative activity. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
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telaquapacky
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Contradictions in the Bible? Find one, post it here.
Ted wrote: Here is another good contradiction.
In Exodus 33:20 "But he [God] said, 'you cannot see m face; for no one shall see me and live."
In Gen.32:39 ""So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, 'For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved.'
There are others on lthis same topic with equal discrepecy. However, these only matter if you take the Bible literally. Now for some more creative activity. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6Some believe that Jacob was visited by the pre-incarnate Jesus. He was the same Lord who appeared to Adam and Eve in the Garden. Jesus appeared in a form that was approachable.
In Exodus 33:20 "But he [God] said, 'you cannot see m face; for no one shall see me and live."
In Gen.32:39 ""So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, 'For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved.'
There are others on lthis same topic with equal discrepecy. However, these only matter if you take the Bible literally. Now for some more creative activity. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6Some believe that Jacob was visited by the pre-incarnate Jesus. He was the same Lord who appeared to Adam and Eve in the Garden. Jesus appeared in a form that was approachable.
Look what the cat dragged in.
Contradictions in the Bible? Find one, post it here.
FarRider:-6
Capital punishment is now where close to the teachings of Jesus. He would not even permit his own men to defend in in Gesthemany. Love qualifies power. Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. We now have a new covanent one that espouses love and forgiveness. Ah, yes, hard to do but that is what Jesus requires. Very difficult to follow indeed. In fact without His help, it is impossible. Mahatma Ghandi managed to though.
The way some folks read the Bible today makes God sound like some ancient Greek myth about monsters and added to that one with a multiple personality problem.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Capital punishment is now where close to the teachings of Jesus. He would not even permit his own men to defend in in Gesthemany. Love qualifies power. Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. We now have a new covanent one that espouses love and forgiveness. Ah, yes, hard to do but that is what Jesus requires. Very difficult to follow indeed. In fact without His help, it is impossible. Mahatma Ghandi managed to though.
The way some folks read the Bible today makes God sound like some ancient Greek myth about monsters and added to that one with a multiple personality problem.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Contradictions in the Bible? Find one, post it here.
Tel:-6
With one exception in that story. It is a myth pure and simple.
Shalom
Ted:-6
With one exception in that story. It is a myth pure and simple.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Moses lived when he saw God's glory, and came down from the mountain top-everyone knew it from the look and radiance of his face.
17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two maidservants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, "Let me go, for it is daybreak."
But Jacob replied, "I will not let you go unless you bless me."
27 The man asked him, "What is your name?"
"Jacob," he answered.
28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, [e] because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
29 Jacob said, "Please tell me your name."
But he replied, "Why do you ask my name?" Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, [f] saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, [g] and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob's hip was touched near the tendon.
17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two maidservants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, "Let me go, for it is daybreak."
But Jacob replied, "I will not let you go unless you bless me."
27 The man asked him, "What is your name?"
"Jacob," he answered.
28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, [e] because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
29 Jacob said, "Please tell me your name."
But he replied, "Why do you ask my name?" Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, [f] saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, [g] and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob's hip was touched near the tendon.
Contradictions in the Bible? Find one, post it here.
FarRider:-6
I have never knowingly called or referred to anyone as ignorant. And I will stand by that. If that is how you read it, I am truly sorry.
I am not playing games nor am I engaging in games. The thread asked for contradiction and I have hundreds more to go. In fact I probably won't get to them all. Thank goodness eh?
As far as being able to translate, I've formally studied transaltion in both Greek and Hebrew and interpretation. Now if that makes me stupid and/or ignorant, so be it. That does not make me brilliant it just shows that I know what hard work is..
I knew you would disagree with me. And you are correct in that I disagree with you but I don't stoop to calling names. Give me a break. This is a discussion. If we can't agree to disagree God help us.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I have never knowingly called or referred to anyone as ignorant. And I will stand by that. If that is how you read it, I am truly sorry.
I am not playing games nor am I engaging in games. The thread asked for contradiction and I have hundreds more to go. In fact I probably won't get to them all. Thank goodness eh?
As far as being able to translate, I've formally studied transaltion in both Greek and Hebrew and interpretation. Now if that makes me stupid and/or ignorant, so be it. That does not make me brilliant it just shows that I know what hard work is..
I knew you would disagree with me. And you are correct in that I disagree with you but I don't stoop to calling names. Give me a break. This is a discussion. If we can't agree to disagree God help us.
Shalom
Ted:-6