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JAB wrote: DG, I don't dispute the fact that Jives most likely lied to us. Where I do get p***ed is when Far gets taken to task for believing in a friend until the bitter end. Don't tell me none of us has never stuck up for a friend, hoping against hope, that our belief in them has not been violated. Your friend can screw up royally but if they are your friend you hurt, you get angry and sometimes you walk away. Why are we faulting Far for doing that?

I'm disapponted in myself that I got duped by Jives but beating up on Far for maybe believing in Jives too much is not right either.


Im mad as hell that JIves hasnt shown up to take up for Far!! It was loyalty to begin with, thats admirable, but when there is proof he should've just kept quiet and asked his buddy, Jives, "hey buddy, whats going on with you?"

Jives is a real coward and an a$$ for still not showing up and thanking (OR SAVING) Far from the flogging he got. WOuld you say thats fair to say?

I hope you are reading this Jives, not only are you a liar, you are a coward too and now you are totally letting your pals take the heat for you.






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SnoozeControl wrote:

Misrepresenting yourself is apparently acceptable behaviour online.
Where is this "law" written?
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JAB wrote: Far put himself on the line here in public defending his friend. But from everything you know of him, do you really think he wasn't trying to reach him out of the judging eyes of everyone here? Would you if it was your friend? Or would you try and take him aside in private and try and say, 'hey bud, I'm laying it on the line for you' explain it to me.'


Okay first, like I said before, its admirable that he would go to such links for his friend. I'm sure he was trying to reach him privatley. You cannot argue with facts, though, JAB. As soon as the facts were posted, he should have let it go and waited for Jives to enlighten him. And of course I would if it were my friend. But let me say, if I were presented with facts, I would say, "Okay, you know what? Maybe there has been a misunderstanding. Im going to work this out with my friend."

I just think Far took way too much $hit for Jives. Its one thing to be loyal and lay it "all on the line" and defend your friends, its another to just go blindly larching forward. Thats stupidity, really. If your buddy told you to march through Atlanta with a white hood would you do it because its your friend and he means so much to you? Hell no. You'd be shot, and your racist friend would be down in Mississippi hiding in a barn.

I like Far. He has been really encouraging to me. But I think its a shame he is mistaking loyalty for blind faith.






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Yes, it just really bothered me how Far Rider ignored the facts I posted and REFUSED to do his own research (and find these facts for himself) and instead talked about motives, me coming here to attack Jives, etc. I didn't expect to be called a liar by ANYONE--I mean, the facts speak for itself. And when FR continued to give me the just wait till Jives get back.."you have bit off more than you can chew, son" (his words in a PM) there was no way I was gonna leave without some closure. And I was CERTAINLY gonna point out to him how his hero was leaving him twisting in the wind for...oh, 2 weeks now.
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kevaxe2k2 wrote: Yes, it just really bothered me how Far Rider ignored the facts I posted and REFUSED to do his own research (and find these facts for himself) and instead talked about motives, me coming here to attack Jives, etc. I didn't expect to be called a liar by ANYONE--I mean, the facts speak for itself. And when FR continued to give me the just wait till Jives get back.."you have bit off more than you can chew, son" (his words in a PM) there was no way I was gonna leave without some closure. And I was CERTAINLY gonna point out to him how his hero was leaving him twisting in the wind for...oh, 2 weeks now.
It's against FG etiquette to quote PMs. Please respect that.
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JAB wrote: But I don't believe it was blind faith on Far's part, he's not that stupid. Fault him, if you will however, for fighting too strongly for Jives right to explain his side of the story.

Do I think Far took it on the chin for Jives? Yes.

Do I admire him for the guts it took to do it on a public forum. Yes.

Am I going to berate him, tell him he was wrong and call him a fool. Hell no.


It looks like we are agreeing here for the most part, JAB. And I think "fool" is too strong a word. Maybe FAR learned a valuable lesson from this thread. Im not berating him at all, but you see, when someone is passionate about something, they wont stand for any nonsense that comes up about it and I dont blame Kev and his buddies one bit. They have loyalty too. To their favorite band. Far, I think is a very passionate person and loves his friends to a fault, lots of people do, "love is blind". But like I said before, he was presented with facts, he didnt need to keep going on about Jives' rights. Especially when the coward wont comment on his lies for himself. We all know when someone is on or off line, JIves is a real $hit head for what he has done here. And I believe if anyone is to blame for Far's leaving its that sorry a$$ Jives.






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My bad, shouldn't have quoted from them PM. Sorry:-1 But it is essentially the same he was saying here--I just remember that line specifically struck a nerve.



Wait, did Far leave???

Jab:"Far does his research, he does his due diligence, he has his doubts." No, he did NOT. I begged him to do his homework rather than spending all this time calling me a liar. He would not do it.

"You've made your point and outed Jives. Part of me is p***ed at you for that fact." Glad to help....and sorry???
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kill the messenger.
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kevaxe2k2 wrote:

Wait, did Far leave???




Check out his journal. And dont forget to thank Jives for that.






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lady cop wrote: kill the messenger.


I know Ive been drinking but...huh?






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DesignerGal wrote: I know Ive been drinking but...huh?a reference to an old adage...you don't like the message, kill the messenger.
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DesignerGal wrote: Im mad as hell that JIves hasnt shown up to take up for Far!! It was loyalty to begin with, thats admirable, but when there is proof he should've just kept quiet and asked his buddy, Jives, "hey buddy, whats going on with you?"

Jives is a real coward and an a$$ for still not showing up and thanking (OR SAVING) Far from the flogging he got. WOuld you say thats fair to say?

I hope you are reading this Jives, not only are you a liar, you are a coward too and now you are totally letting your pals take the heat for you.


WHY THE F*** IS THIS BLOODY THREAD STILL GOING???

This is a bloody forum guys!

This is NOT Nuremberg!

Jives and Far AREN'T Major War Criminals!

OK, so maybe he bent the truth. maybe he told a lie.

WE ALL DO IT!!!!!

Big lies, little lies, white lies.

On a forum where we all go for a bit of fun and relaxation....WTF does it REALLY matter????

You wanna know a lie I told?

I worked as a Nanny for an American who worked with Princess Diana's brother.

I told my family that the American Lady told Charles (PD's bro) what a fab nanny I was.

Then I said he told Princess Diana what a fab nanny I was.

And she told Fergie.

Then I said Fergie invited me to tea to ask me to be her new nanny because she was pregnant.

Fergie, at that time, had one child, and we all know Royalty like to have an heir and a spare!

So I was guessing she would have another baby soon.

And guess what........a few weeks later she announced she was expecting!!!

So my entire family thinks I was invited to be fergies nanny and they think they knew she was pregnant before the rest of the world knew!

And I did it for a laugh! It was a wind up!

And they STILL don't know that!

My sister got involved with a church social group for a while, but then decided she didn't want to go anymore.

So she told her friend to tell them she had broken her leg in an accident.

So she was embarrassed when they sent her a get well card and a bouquet of flowers. But did she own up? Nope...and she kept the flowers!

EVERYONE tells lies. When you say "No you don't look fat", "Yes that colour suits you" "Of course I won't tell a soul!"

How often do any of us tell the whole truth??? Not very often!

But usually its to make the other person feel better, or maybe we stretch the truth to make ourselves feel better. Who knows? Who cares?

This is just an internet forum!

We're a bunch of people from around the world who give ourselves made up names and who chat for fun.

So WTF has it turned into a lynching mob and driven away 2 good members just because someone said something you don't agree with??

WTF does it matter???

You don't KNOW these people! If you walked past an FG member in the street you wouldn't recognise them! Being here is NOT going to change the world!

So WHO the F*** are all of you to say who should post here or shouldn't post here??

I like a lot of you! Some are brilliant, some are fun. And some are complete a$$holes!!!! And those ones I avoid, ignore or am polite to.

They don't know I think they're a$$holes and I hope no one tells me I'm an a$$hole because I'd be deeply offended and its none of your business if I am!

I have just as much right to post my views here as the other a$$holes do, and none of you can stop me from doing it!!

So why don't you all STFU and let it carry on being a nice fun forum and stop being such a bunch of nitpicking morons!

You're no bloody angels you know! And neither am I!

So get off your bloody high horse cos I'm fed up with listening to you moralising when you're no bloody better yourselves!

:-5 :-5 :-5

Thankyou! Rant over!!!!! :-5
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lady cop wrote: a reference to an old adage...you don't like the message, kill the messenger.


OH!! Okay...got it!






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kevaxe2k2 wrote: Yes, it just really bothered me how Far Rider ignored the facts I posted and REFUSED to do his own research (and find these facts for himself) and instead talked about motives, me coming here to attack Jives, etc. I didn't expect to be called a liar by ANYONE--I mean, the facts speak for itself. And when FR continued to give me the just wait till Jives get back.."you have bit off more than you can chew, son" (his words in a PM) there was no way I was gonna leave without some closure. And I was CERTAINLY gonna point out to him how his hero was leaving him twisting in the wind for...oh, 2 weeks now.
When you first came here kevaxe2k2, no one knew you. You just jumped in with both feet and posted. I assume we are all adults here and each one of us deals with a situation such as the one you brought to light differently. I'm sure the emotions of disbelief, shock and wonder crossed each and everyone's mind.

I, like Far Rider chose to sit and wait for Jives to come and respond to your accusations. I choose NOT to be his judge, jury and trial, like this thread has been becoming for this man. Jives' silence speaks volumes to some folks, to others it means nothing. I have read the posts at your Gin Blossom forum (a link was provided in this thread) and I have seen where Far Rider posted there in good faith asking you all to be patient for Jives to reply. Snooze also posts there and I see her last entry enlightened your board as to when Jives logged in FG but did not post.

To me, I see it as beating a dead horse. If Jives chooses to post he will, it will not be forced out of him to do so. Far Rider came to the defense of a friend ASKING you newbies to wait until Jives posts. I'm sure we all sit in wonder....and we may never know Jives side of your story. You want closure kevaxe2k2? I don't see how it's possible UNTIL Jives posts. The closure I'd appreciate seeing is to let there be peace in this garden and all this bickering and back stabbing stop!
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I agree, the arguing needs to halt. Everyone is entitled to the opinions, and their loyalties.

It's time to shut down this thread...................................
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Rapunzel wrote: WHY THE F*** IS THIS BLOODY THREAD STILL GOING???

This is a bloody forum guys!

This is NOT Nuremberg!

Jives and Far AREN'T Major War Criminals!

OK, so maybe he bent the truth. maybe he told a lie.

WE ALL DO IT!!!!!

Big lies, little lies, white lies.

On a forum where we all go for a bit of fun and relaxation....WTF does it REALLY matter????

You wanna know a lie I told?

I worked as a Nanny for an American who worked with Princess Diana's brother.

I told my family that the American Lady told Charles (PD's bro) what a fab nanny I was.

Then I said he told Princess Diana what a fab nanny I was.

And she told Fergie.

Then I said Fergie invited me to tea to ask me to be her new nanny because she was pregnant.

Fergie, at that time, had one child, and we all know Royalty like to have an heir and a spare!

So I was guessing she would have another baby soon.

And guess what........a few weeks later she announced she was expecting!!!

So my entire family thinks I was invited to be fergies nanny and they think they knew she was pregnant before the rest of the world knew!

And I did it for a laugh! It was a wind up!

And they STILL don't know that!

My sister got involved with a church social group for a while, but then decided she didn't want to go anymore.

So she told her friend to tell them she had broken her leg in an accident.

So she was embarrassed when they sent her a get well card and a bouquet of flowers. But did she own up? Nope...and she kept the flowers!

EVERYONE tells lies. When you say "No you don't look fat", "Yes that colour suits you" "Of course I won't tell a soul!"

How often do any of us tell the whole truth??? Not very often!

But usually its to make the other person feel better, or maybe we stretch the truth to make ourselves feel better. Who knows? Who cares?

This is just an internet forum!

We're a bunch of people from around the world who give ourselves made up names and who chat for fun.

So WTF has it turned into a lynching mob and driven away 2 good members just because someone said something you don't agree with??

WTF does it matter???

You don't KNOW these people! If you walked past an FG member in the street you wouldn't recognise them! Being here is NOT going to change the world!

So WHO the F*** are all of you to say who should post here or shouldn't post here??

I like a lot of you! Some are brilliant, some are fun. And some are complete a$$holes!!!! And those ones I avoid, ignore or am polite to.

They don't know I think they're a$$holes and I hope no one tells me I'm an a$$hole because I'd be deeply offended and its none of your business if I am!

I have just as much right to post my views here as the other a$$holes do, and none of you can stop me from doing it!!

So why don't you all STFU and let it carry on being a nice fun forum and stop being such a bunch of nitpicking morons!

You're no bloody angels you know! And neither am I!

So get off your bloody high horse cos I'm fed up with listening to you moralising when you're no bloody better yourselves!

:-5 :-5 :-5

Thankyou! Rant over!!!!! :-5


Okay, so who the #&%^ are you to tell me what I can and cant post. If you dont like the thread, stay the %^$# out of it. Youre right, its none of your business. I am having a debate with JAB and Kev about Jives. I am entitled to my opinion and I think Jives is a real b!tch for letting things get the way they got. This thread is about Jives and GIN Blossoms and thats what I am talking about. Why do you have a problem with it?

And just for your information, I DONT NEED TO LIE! I am secure in who I am. You can search to your little heart's content to try and prove me wrong. Additionally, white lies being told to make someone feel good is something completley different than a bold face BLATANT lie and on top that, telling a bold face blatant lie and having someone take up for you while you run and hide is EVEN WORSE!






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SnoozeControl wrote: Once again, I refuse to read the thread.



I just bought "Sense and Sensibility"... oh my god, I'd f*ck Huch Grant in a minute. Is he freaking dreamy, or what?Doesn't do a thing for me. ;)
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[QUOTE=chonsigirl]I agree, the arguing needs to halt. Everyone is entitled to the opinions, and their loyalties.

It's time to shut down this thread...................................QUOTE]

Please do!

Jives has had his smack on the wrist!

Lets just let it go now before we lose two good and valuable members!

We all cope with this kinda crap in real life...do we REALLY need it here?

Buzz off people, post fluffy stuff elsewhere. LET THIS GO!!!!!!!!! :mad:
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Post by kevaxe2k2 »

Peace in the Garden---sounds good.



As for closure--I don't think Jives will respond. It seems foolish, because 1. what if he is telling the truth? or 2. If he IS lying, most people here seem willing to forgive him. So, unless he is totally humiliated and wants to run from here in disgrace, he should come back and end this and he can probably move on from it and be happy here. I don't know. Remember, he has this in his bio at his school thingy, too...and probably his resume. So, that there would certainly be reason eough NOT to respond if anyone associated with his school visits here.



That said, I am READY to move on. But I will continue to await word from Jives.
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DesignerGal wrote: Okay, so who the #&%^ are you to tell me what I can and cant post. If you dont like the thread, stay the %^$# out of it. Youre right, its none of your business. I am having a debate with JAB and Kev about Jives. I am entitled to my opinion and I think Jives is a real b!tch for letting things get the way they got. This thread is about Jives and GIN Blossoms and thats what I am talking about. Why do you have a problem with it?

And just for your information, I DONT NEED TO LIE! I am secure in who I am. You can search to your little heart's content to try and prove me wrong. Additionally, white lies being told to make someone feel good is something completley different than a bold face BLATANT lie and on top that, telling a bold face blatant lie and having someone take up for you while you run and hide is EVEN WORSE!


If you stopped acting like a spoilt brat and actually READ what I wrote, you'd notice I'm not telling anyone what they can and cant say!

You're NOT debating at all, you're ACCUSING and JUDGING based on your own puerile opinions. You're also in my face and i don't want to have to listen to your insane and uneducated ranting.

Have Far or Jives affected your life? Have they come and discussed this with you?

I don't think so, which makes it none of your business either. I've noticed you get very riled and very angry very easily. Why not step away and calm down, especially as you need to be relaxed and calm at this time. Cos angry mothers make angry babies, don't ya know.
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Post by kevaxe2k2 »

Rapunzel, you DON'T like this thread--we got it. You dont' want to discuss Jives and the Gin Blossoms...others do. So, here's an idea. Those people will discuss that in THIS thread (see thread name). And we promise NEVER to make you read it. Now, if you CHOOSE to continue to read it and don't like it---well, dont' blame us. "The Gin Blossoms and Jives" just might not be the thread for you.
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this thread is now closed. there will be no more discussion of it on forumgarden. if you'd like to discuss it again, please contact me for a quote, and i'll build you your own forum where you can discuss it. minimum price to flip the power switch: $785. Minimum monthly, $200.



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