this is a very interesting topic, granted many dont know what the bible really teachs and some may do. please read-
think about this- when you see the world around you today, you may wonder if there is a god, is this the kind of world he had purposed for us?
when you read any newpapers, look at the TV, or listen to the radio. there are so many stories of crime, war, and terrorism! think about your own troubles. perhaps illness or death of a loved one is causing you great distress. you may feel like the good man Job from the bible who stated at-job 10:15 that he was "drenched with misery".
ask yourself:
-is this what GOD purposed for me and for the rest of mankind?
-where can i find help to cope with my problems?
-is there any hope that we will ever see peace on the earth?
well the bible provides satisfying answers to these questions. and many others as well, that i would like to share with all of you
the bible teachs that God will bring about these changes on the earth-
-"he will wipe out every tear from the eyes, and death will be no more, niether will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore- Revelation 21:4
the lame one will climb up just as the stag does- isaiah 35:6
-this scripture means the crippled ones-
the eyes of the bilnd ones will be opened-isaiah 35:5
all those in the memorial tombs ... will come out - john 5:28,29
-this scripture means the dead ones will rise once again-
no resident will say: "i am sick" -isaiah 33:24
"there will will come to be plenty of grain on the earth-psalm 72:16
-meaning food in general-
these scriptures ive just stated are some of the many few promises that God has instore for mankind.
but you may wonder how can you obtain such a life in a peaceful world?
well the bible explains how you can, an how god will fullfill these promises!
i will be discussing this further tommorow night, because i have no time right now. ill be covering the question what is the truth about God? which im sure many will see the real truth about him once you read what i have to say, and i say these things not on my own account ,but from what the bible really teaches. so stay tuned to what i have to say, you will find this very satisfying an im sure it will answer alot, or some of your questions about God. thank you...
KINGDAVID wrote: ill be covering the question what is the truth about God? which im sure many will see the real truth about him once you read what i have to say, and i say these things not on my own account ,but from what the bible really teaches. so stay tuned to what i have to say, you will find this very satisfying an im sure it will answer alot, or some of your questions about God. thank you...Well, your kingship, I will be watching the thread with interest, because I'm sure you realize that there is enormous difference of opinion about 'what the Bible really teaches', and it's very unlikely that anything you post here is going to change that.
This is a pretty interactive bunch, and you should be aware that the purpose of the forum is discussion not soapboxing. So go to it, give it your best shot, but be prepared to back up your claims with documentation.
thank you people, im glad to be hear, and im also happy to see how many people have some interest in the bible. also there are many intellegent people on this site, thats a plus. but anyways,keep an eye on my topics, i will be posting alot about what the bible really teaches. thanks.....
In answer to your questions, let me ask you to read Genesis Chapter 3.
Yep, this is what he wants for us; if only to learn. He wants us to suffer our sins. He wants us to know, through Christ, how easy it is to redeem our sins.
He doesn't want us to make a big deal about this. It's always been there and we didn't need the Christ if we'd listened to Him in the first place.
KINGDAVID wrote: think about this- when you see the world around you today, you may wonder if there is a god, is this the kind of world he had purposed for us?
when you read any newpapers, look at the TV, or listen to the radio. there are so many stories of crime, war, and terrorism! think about your own troubles. perhaps illness or death of a loved one is causing you great distress. you may feel like the good man Job from the bible who stated at-job 10:15 that he was "drenched with misery".
the bible teachs that God will bring about these changes on the earth-
-"he will wipe out every tear from the eyes, and death will be no more, niether will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore- Revelation 21:4
the lame one will climb up just as the stag does- isaiah 35:6
-this scripture means the crippled ones-
the eyes of the bilnd ones will be opened-isaiah 35:5
all those in the memorial tombs ... will come out - john 5:28,29
-this scripture means the dead ones will rise once again-
no resident will say: "i am sick" -isaiah 33:24
"there will will come to be plenty of grain on the earth-psalm 72:16
-meaning food in general-
these scriptures ive just stated are some of the many few promises that God has instore for mankind.
but you may wonder how can you obtain such a life in a peaceful world?
well the bible explains how you can, an how god will fullfill these promises!
I find it strange that someone with such strongly held religious beliefs is looking at the world today in such a negative way. Surely we are supposed to look for the good and there's a lot of it out there. More money than ever is donated to charity, we have conservation groups that strive to help mother nature and I'm sure everyone felt the world pull together after the Tsunami.
You make it sound like we should behave in the best way not for the sake of being a good person alone but because we have something to gain this Beautiful world of yours ( If you look at the world again, properly its already here)
Yes there is bad in the world but why are you focussing on that ? Do what you can to help if you think it's so bad
When an organization isolates its members from the wider society or tells them not to read certain books or to read only certain books or tells them not to listen to what others say, or is the cause of serious family breakdown or asks its members to deal with child molestion outside of the law it is called by another name. It is called a cult. That is precisely what the cults of the last half of the 20th century ask of their members. They even held them incommunicado.
Parents had to have their children seen by doctors and go through deprogramming in order to get their young folks back.
This organization even produces their own propaganda.
They don't appear to be at all concerned about their members or their mental or physical health. They want control. Why do they want control? I would sugges that money is the big one along with the power of being able to say we have so many members. The children that have been molested or the families that have been destroyed or the innocent children who have died due to a ridiculous reading of the Bible and have been refused appropriate treatment don't seem to matter one damn.
I have spoken to former members of this cult. I have heard their horrendous stories of abuse and humiliation. I have heard of broken families and molested children. In my opinion these are the practises of a cult and nothing more nor less.
I regret to day that they do not fair well at my door but understand that they relish in the refusal. Thank goodness I now live in a condo where they do not get past the door. No one here wants even to hear from them or see them. They are extremists in my opinion and are no better then the extremists in all religious faiths. Not only that, it would seem that they have usurped the term Christian and used it to their own ends.
I believe it was the TV program "The Fifth Estate" that exposed this organization for what it really is. This progam interviewed many folks who had been "used". As I recall no one from that organization would appear on camera or give an interview. Another sign of a cult??
I have written this with some reluctance in that I don't like to besmirch others' faiths. However, I have seen first hand the harm that this organization can do in the guise of "salvation". I have great respect for all of the worlds major faiths and accept their validity but this organization does not appear to fit the description of any of the world's major faiths.
KINGDAVID wrote: ill be covering the question what is the truth about God? which im sure many will see the real truth about him once you read what i have to say, and i say these things not on my own account ,but from what the bible really teaches. so stay tuned to what i have to say, you will find this very satisfying an im sure it will answer alot, or some of your questions about God. thank you...
I smell ass. Pompous ass, that is. You're not going to find too many sheep here, David, and just because you try to spoon feed it to us, does not mean we will swallow it down, unquestioningly. A good example:
the lame one will climb up just as the stag does- isaiah 35:6
-this scripture means the crippled ones-
A: Most of us don't need an explanation as to what that means.
B: I could interpret that to say, the lame ones will climb up to heaven just as the stag, but they'll still be crippled.
the eyes of the bilnd ones will be opened-isaiah 35:5
This could be an analogy. Those who didn't understand before, will now understand. Not neccessarily that blind people will have physical vision.
all those in the memorial tombs ... will come out - john 5:28,29
-this scripture means the dead ones will rise once again-
A: Again, most don't need explanation.
B: Couldn't this mean that the mourners of the dead will come out, not the dead themselves?
"there will will come to be plenty of grain on the earth-psalm 72:16
-meaning food in general-
A: You do seem to think that we are all in serious need of your "superior" wisdom and knowledge, don't you?
B: My interpretation? The world is covered in nothing but grain.
My point is to show you that the bible, depending on your faith, religion and/or beliefs, is very subjective, and I doubt highly that your "answers" will satisfy this group. You've not yet begun to realize the minds you are dealing with here.
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ [/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
he says he's20. he hasn't posted since the 13th when he was challenged, all he was doing here was copying and pasting. couldn't handle any original thought. say bye-bye to kingdavid. (he has been lurking however)
lady cop wrote: he says he's20. he hasn't posted since the 13th when he was challenged, all he was doing here was copying and pasting. couldn't handle any original thought. say bye-bye to kingdavid. (he has been lurking however)
If he's been lurking, maybe my post will bring him out in the open to substantiate some of his outrageous claims to be so "enlightened." No one is that enlightened at 20, and I can't abide a know-it-all.
If he's back, let's hear from him. If not, bye-bye to "superior" mind.
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ [/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
BabyRider wrote: I can't abide a know-it-all.Oh bugger. That was aimed at me, I can feel it.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
spot wrote: Oh bugger. That was aimed at me, I can feel it.
You need to tune in a little better then, Spot. If it was aimed at you, it would have read, "I can't abide a know-it-all, like Spot."
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ [/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
Ted wrote: When an organization isolates its members from the wider society or tells them not to read certain books or to read only certain books or tells them not to listen to what others say, or is the cause of serious family breakdown or asks its members to deal with child molestion outside of the law it is called by another name. It is called a cult. That is precisely what the cults of the last half of the 20th century ask of their members. They even held them incommunicado.
Parents had to have their children seen by doctors and go through deprogramming in order to get their young folks back.
This organization even produces their own propaganda.
They don't appear to be at all concerned about their members or their mental or physical health. They want control. Why do they want control? I would sugges that money is the big one along with the power of being able to say we have so many members. The children that have been molested or the families that have been destroyed or the innocent children who have died due to a ridiculous reading of the Bible and have been refused appropriate treatment don't seem to matter one damn.
I have spoken to former members of this cult. I have heard their horrendous stories of abuse and humiliation. I have heard of broken families and molested children. In my opinion these are the practises of a cult and nothing more nor less.
I regret to day that they do not fair well at my door but understand that they relish in the refusal. Thank goodness I now live in a condo where they do not get past the door. No one here wants even to hear from them or see them. They are extremists in my opinion and are no better then the extremists in all religious faiths. Not only that, it would seem that they have usurped the term Christian and used it to their own ends.Ted, most of what you say here about the JW's is true of the SDA as well, although I am not aware of them going door to door. To what extent the two sects have common origins I am not sure. That they both practice mind control of the most unsavory sort is obvious.
Anyone who has been following the exchange between tel and myself on the "Adventism and Catholicism' thread has probably noticed that he has stopped participating, and I have no doubt that he was forbidden to continue by his church. Probably a prudent decision on their part since he was succeeding only in making fools of them and of himself.
With regard to your observations above, I would make only the following additional points, the first of which you've already introduced:
1. Regarding the JW's, the fastest way to get rid of one at your door is to say, "I'll gladly read the literature you are offering about your church if you will promise to read something that I have here about mine." That, of course, they are unconditionally forbidden to do, and since they usually travel in groups, if any individual decided to do so, s/he would no doubt be betrayed to the leadership by the others. Remind you of anything? Stalinist Russia p'raps?
2. Regarding the SDA, let's not forget that the late, unlamented lunatic David 'Koresh' based his Branch Davidian cult on the same SDA indoctrination that afflicts tel. All the time that the police were trying to reason with him to obtain the release of some of his hostages, he kept ranting and raving about the 'prophecies' of Daniel and Revelation just as tel subjects us to here. I don't want to get into whether the civil authorities were prudent in the way they handled the situation, I think that there is blame enough there to go around, but there was no mistaking his underlying philosophy and SDA roots.
Christianity is supposed to set us free, not enslave us. If it does the latter, it's something else.
i havent been on here this past weekend, if you think im shuning away from your comments you sorely mistakin, you all have your comments about what im sayin an what the witnesses are all about, thats fines by me, but you dont see the real picture here, for many of you beleivers of the bible, what did jesus command his followers to do when he was on earth , huh? read this for all you ridiculers of the faith- matthew 24:7-14, if you dont have a bible it says this
7*“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8-*All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9*“Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10*Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11*And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12*and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13*But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14*And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come
do we not see this taking place among us today, how could jesus know such things
about the future of this present system of things, also u see the last verse there of 14, that says an this good news of the kingdom must be preached threw the inhabited earth, whos doin that today? not the churchs an cetainly no other religion , but the organization of jehovahs witnesses, who have been preaching the good news of gods kingdom for a witness of the nations , so that all may know jehovahs great name an purpose, we have been speaking the truth of gods word. for instance lets compare some of the relgious views of the churchs. 1st- the catholics believe in the trinity, where on earth does the bible even give a slight idea as to jesus , god an the holy spirit being one, huh? who was jesus' prayin to threw out the bible, always honoring god instead of himself, also in john 3:16 which says*“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. does this scripture talk about jesus sent fourth himself or that god sent him fourth, i have many other scriptures that touch on this subject , if you would like to know. 2nd- many people today as many of the churchs beleive that this so caled place hell is for real an that its some firey tormented place to which we get tortured forever for our sins. hmmm, if god is love why would he want to do such a thing. read this scripture about such a fiery place which reads at-
revelation 19:20- . 20*And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who render worship to its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulphur.
does anyone know who the false prophet is? the false prohpet is the false relgion among the nations today, who are speaking lies about what gods word really "SAYS", and misleading many, whos behind all of this? well of course satan, who is the enemy of god , the opposer of him, thats what satan means. now heres a thought ,if satan deceived eve into eating the fruit back in the garden of eden , dont you think he could deceive the minds of people to misinterpret the bible to many, so that they would not follow gods word like it reads, and do what they wanted with the bible in any way they pleased?
also about heaven- does the bible tell us that every good goes to heaven? think of this if everyone goes to hell if there bad after death, an every one good goes to heaven when they die. then whos gonna inherit the earth, hmm makes ya wonder doesnt it? what makes us so good to go to heaven to be with god an his angels? the bible tells us that only a limited number have such a heavenly hope to rule as kings an priest in heaven with him. do not the churchs believe such things, as well do many other religions?
what about holidays- easter, halloween, 4th of july, new years eve, an christmas where do they originate from? are they scriptural in the bible? did god say we could celebrate such holidays? do some research for youself to find out where they originate from and if its pleasing to god to partake in such things. the bible certainly gives evidence that god does not approve of pagan holidays being celebrated, i have scriptures that prove so.
an the final one cause i could go on an on- images, an idols that are worshipped today, like the cross for instance, think about this? if i were a murderer right, an i killed you with a gun, an i left it at the crime scene or w/e, and your family an freinds found out what you were killed with or died by, would you like it if they wore that gun on there neck or a symbol of the weapon you died by, to remember you by an commemrate your death? so therefore begs the question. why do many wear a cross around there necks , to commemrate jesus' death? what a disrespect and slap in the face to him, jesus' did ask us to remember him in such a way, we remember him for the things he did , an by the passover before his death, an what he died for, not by an idol to which we should pray with an worship him by. the bible doesnt give evidence that we should worship the christ, but it does say that we should render sacred service to god and him alone no one else, so we must remember him by following his an gods every command and way of life, the bible forbids images an idols to be worshipped, if you dont know, then you dont know your bible.
one more thing- about the the holy father of the churchs, what makes them so holy to have a such a title, we call no one but our father in the heavens a holy father, not man, we are all sinful an imperfect, they do not deserve such a title to which to be called by, also why do many to pray to such ones an confess their sins to them, the bible says to pray to our father in the heavens not to man. matthew 6:5-15- which says this-
5*“Also, when YOU pray, YOU must not be as the hypocrites; because they like to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the broad ways to be visible to men. Truly I say to YOU, They are having their reward in full. 6*You, however, when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret; then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. 7*But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words. 8*So, do not make yourselves like them, for God YOUR Father knows what things YOU are needing before ever YOU ask him.
9*“YOU must pray, then, this way:
“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10*Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. 11*Give us today our bread for this day; 12*and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13*And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’
14*“For if YOU forgive men their trespasses, YOUR heavenly Father will also forgive YOU; 15*whereas if YOU do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will YOUR Father forgive YOUR trespasses.
this is all i have to say for now, ridicule and persecute me all you want , but i have proof of what i say, and i back it up with scriptures, thank you....
Yo, "King". I have personally seen your particular choice of "religion" utterly destroy 2 families. And it was SOLELY because of that screwy, warped, insane, domineering, whacko cult you call a "religion".
Once you are a bit older you will realize the stupidity of these people, if they haven't completely brain-washed you by then.
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ [/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
I have some 40+ years of study in Biblical history, translation, interpretation, and theology both formally and informally.
To put it bluntly you have no idea of what you are talking about. It's time to open up your mind and do a little research without the strings being pulled by that organization you claim to represent.
Other churches aren't involved in outreach and missionary work here and oversears. That is a out and out fabrication and a lie that will not stand up to any research. Do the research, if you dare.
It is also time to do a little research on the Bible and how it came to be. That in itself is a major task and one which I have been working on for decades.
You have been well brain washed by that group. Hopefully it is not too late. Open your eyes and see reality for what it is. You have been duped pure and simple.
ANYONE who gets sucked into this cult has been duped. My husband was trapped for several years before his eyes were opened. He was "disfellowshipped" and his own MOTHER will no longer have anything to do with him. She has gone off the deep end. There is something seriously wrong with a "religion" that does not allow a child to have a childhood. It's sick. Demented. Warped. There aren't enough words to describe the utter insanity of what these people believe.
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ [/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
Perhaps you misread what I wrote or perhaps it was not clear enough. I was pointing out that most churches have some form of missionary work both within Canada and overseas. To say otherwise is either a lie, a fabrication or unaware of the knowledge.
I have some 40+ years of study in Biblical history, translation, interpretation, and theology both formally and informally.
To put it bluntly you have no idea of what you are talking about. It's time to open up your mind and do a little research without the strings being pulled by that organization you claim to represent.
Other churches aren't involved in outreach and missionary work here and oversears. That is a out and out fabrication and a lie that will not stand up to any research. Do the research, if you dare.
It is also time to do a little research on the Bible and how it came to be. That in itself is a major task and one which I have been working on for decades.
You have been well brain washed by that group. Hopefully it is not too late. Open your eyes and see reality for what it is. You have been duped pure and simple.
Shalom
Ted:-6
ted it seems like you dont know what your talkin about, i back my beliefs up with scriptures, an what research should i do, i know very well that churchs followers arent preaching from door to door, lettin people know about gods kingdom, they have such a bad repitation, they put a bad taste in peoples mouth about god an the bible , they dont give the glory to god but to themselves, come with some better things to say , then to ridicule the beliefs of jw's, tell me im wrong in what i say as far as the things ive stated, i have backed up everything with a scripture, what have you done but say im wrong an blah blah. let me ask you, do you believe in the trinity? hellfire or every one good goes to heaven
? are you out preaching to people about gods word? are you hanfdling the word of god aright? you say people from other churchs are preaching , that may be so, but what do they preach to people about? they certainly are not a bigger organziation then jw's, because pretty much everyone knows about us, an as for these churchs if i were to ask someone if you know this church or thoses people that preach gods word, they most likely wouldnt. the churchs are full of lies when it comes to the bible, they take peoples money an give nothing back to the people but to themselves, they hand the contribution box or w/e it is they collect the money with, an fattin there own pockets with the money. giving should be from the heart not that we have to give, an be charged to go to church, the bible says as jesus stated you receive free give free. And also dont stand there an tell me im being brain washed when its the other way around, you say you have 40 sometihng years in biblcal studies an translations what bible you been reading? what book you been translating?everything i have said in regards to the bible , i have stated scriptures for everyone to see. i have been studying the bible for about a yr now, an it seems like i know more then you do. thanks...
The New Testament of The Holy Scriptures has many verses omitted and the only answer I have had as to why is that these verses are irrelevant and do not advance our learning about Jehovah (I prefer Jahweh or JHWH for short). Sounded like censorship to me. I have two copies of the Bible and I could not see any reason for omitting the verses. I believe that the 'dash' by the verse number along with the verse number is now omitted as well. I've had bible studies with Jehovah's witnesses, two separate goups from two different areas. In neither case did the Bible ever come out. All studies were conducted from books published by the Pennsylvanian Bible Tract (or some such similar organisation) for which the Ministerial Servants had to pay.
I also pointed out that where Jesus instructed his disciples to go forth with no shoes on their feet, no books, no purse, just the clothes on their backs (I'm sure you know the correct wording), the Jehovah's Witnesses do completely the opposite. Fully shod, suited up, a briefcase full of books, and I haven't seen a single Jehovah's Witness shake the dust from their feet when leaving a home from where they have been rejected.
I have nothing against the Ministerial Servants. But there is a common theme amongst them. Every single one I have met and spoken to were suffering a personal problem and the Jehovah's Witnesses happened along at just the right moment and offered what was a logical solution. The Ministerial Servants are genuine people and I do not seek to take anything from them, I only offer them love. In return, they try to tell me how to live my life.
I take advice willingly whenever it is offered and make up my own mind. But if I am to serve God, it should be direct, in accordance with the Bible, through Jesus, not through the instructions of a book publishing company that extracts a mintworth of money from its followers. If I am to be a member of a church, it would not be one that would seek to excommunicate me purely because I disagreed with the interpretation of a principle.
This is the true meaning of the image in Daniel's dream. It is not the destruction of America and Russia, rather, it is the shattering of the many divisions within both Christianity and Islam.
This guy's a wind up. He's no Jehovah's Witness. No Witness I know talks like this and they wouldn't approach a forum without a plan set by their head office.
telaquapacky wrote: Hey, Dave! I've always wondered. I've never seen a Kingdom Hall with windows. Is that true- Kingdom Halls don't have windows? If so, why is that?
i havent seen any one with windows, although i havent seen all the halls, i dont know of any that have them.
OpenMind wrote: By the way, why do you choose to use the name KingDavid for your username? I use my username as it is descriptive of my approach to life.
this is in regards to all your comments-
i understand your view point on jw's an ministeral servants, just to let u know that none of the witnesses pay for any literature that they recieved as well as anyone that wants some, as many may know that when we do come to your door , you will very well here us say that we do accept voluntary donations if you want to, so therefore we contribute whatever amount of money we please from the heart, to further the organization, of course the books dont pay for them selves, as well as the publications such as watchtowers an awake magazines, moeny keeps things going, as does in anyones life. also, why i used the name king david, is because i like the story of david he was a very good king, and my name is david so i wanted to make it username. i could have made one describing the type of person i am , but i didnt think of it that way, openmind is a good name to have, by your comments i certainly see that u have one. an in answer to your question
you said-
I also pointed out that where Jesus instructed his disciples to go forth with no shoes on their feet, no books, no purse, just the clothes on their backs (I'm sure you know the correct wording), the Jehovah's Witnesses do completely the opposite. Fully shod, suited up, a briefcase full of books, and I haven't seen a single Jehovah's Witness shake the dust from their feet when leaving a home from where they have been reject this scripture you stated is not a literal saying.
do you honestly think that we should tred around in such a way, thats how they did things in the past, but things have changed , technology has advanced since then. So therefore , we dress in such a way that is proper to approach people with, suits an ties , an the proper attire that is approiate, so that we can make ourselves presentable in front of people, do you think that if we did dress in such a way , that people would listen to what we have to say? i think not! we would look like bums, an if someone of the sort approach me like that, being that if i wasnt a servant of god an didnt know him, i would tell em to get lost, your crazy.
ArnoldLayne wrote: KD, you will never teach anything to anybody with such astonishing arrogance. Nobody will want to listen. Have the grace to respect what wiser people have to say and the humility to accept you have plenty more to learn
im not teaching with arrogance, how so? i see that many dont want to listen to what i have to say, they very well disrespect me, even such ones that say they follow the word of god an teach it themselves. i have been respecting other views on the bible, i have shared scriptures proving my beliefs, i havent said anything on my own account. as you very well see pretty much every time i post i provide scriptural proof of what i say, granted there are some rather wise persons on here, but what kind of wisdom do they have? biblical wisdom or wisdom of the world? there are many on here that do know what there talkin about, and very well agree with alot of the things ive said, but many dont, i try to emphasize further, to bring out to them that some of the things that they beleive in arent scriptural, thats all. if i have made anyone feel like im an arrogant person trying to change your beleifs , im sorry. i never intended it to come out that way.
OpenMind wrote: This guy's a wind up. He's no Jehovah's Witness. No Witness I know talks like this and they wouldn't approach a forum without a plan set by their head office.
you say that im not a witness, an that i would need a plan from the head office.
im not following some plan set out by a head office, i came on here hoping to find some interested people , who would like to know about us, an find out what we preach to people about, an share with you all the beliefs of our organization versus the beleifs of all the other relgions out there. so therefore i didnt come on here with a plan, i asked a fellow witness if i should keep posting on here, he said he didnt see a reason why i shouldnt , but as long as i do it the right way, as jesus would teach people, with kindness, meekness, an long suffering to the comments made about me. so , i most certainly think that i am, im sharing what i have learned, an what i know, granted many have disagreements with what i say, an also disrepect me an perseucute me , i dont lash back , nor have i any time.
I have never attacked you personally. I have and will continue to attack an organization that covers up child molestation, breaks up families and for many, causes much strife and pain.
I have no intention of wasting my time presenting you with facts as you are not really interested. It is clear to me from you last post to me that you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to the other churches. You are wrong.
Generally we don't go door to door because we believe in a living faith one that is in practise every day. The Bible says that "By their fruits you shall know them". This does not mean running from door to door but following our Lord in every way as much as is possible. Micah 6:8, Acts 10:34-35, Matt 22:36-40 and Matt 25:31ff while not all of the message spell it out quite well.
I have explained my stand on the scriptures elsewhere and will not do it again without some specific questions. We do not preach from some cooked up scripture.
As far as the question of, "Am I a Trinitarian" the answer is a resounding yes. Don't give the BS about it is not found in scripture. Neither do we find refuse blood transfusions in scripture. However to understand Trinity means to try to understand midrash and metaphor. As far as I can see you have made scripture into your own "golden calf".
As far as supporting what you say from scripture: I can only say that there are more authorities in the church then one book. Many of us do not need the "golden calf" because we put our trust in God. We don't absolutely need it in writing signed sealed and delivered. Such an approach is clearly distrust of God.
Now before you spout off about other churches get your facts straight and not from that wretched organization that promotes division, disunity and the coverup of child molesters. That is hardly what I would call Christian.
One of the great church fathers of the past once wrote that "we should evangelize, yes and with words if necessary". We don't need to proselytize because if we have something to offer they will see it in our lives. I know this works because I have experienced it. What does child molestation cover up or broken families, or stife and pain tell us? This you have conveniently ignored because to answer would require a certain amount of self examination.
BTW if you really want to know what you should research I would be pleased to supply you with some information but have no intentions of wasting my time otherwise.
KingDavid. From the outset, the use of this name can be taken as an arrogant stance. You posit yourself as a person of power.
i asked a fellow witness if i should keep posting on here, he said he didnt see a reason why i shouldnt , but as long as i do it the right way, as jesus would teach people, with kindness, meekness, an long suffering to the comments made about me. so , i most certainly think that i am, im sharing what i have learned, an what i know, granted many have disagreements with what i say, an also disrepect me an perseucute me , i dont lash back , nor have i any time. But you were very arrogant to Ted when you said that you knew more than he did. That's just one example. You are young and you set up your own trap.
You said, regarding your dress code.
do you honestly think that we should tred around in such a way, thats how they did things in the past, but things have changed , technology has advanced since then. So therefore , we dress in such a way that is proper to approach people with, suits an ties , an the proper attire that is approiate, so that we can make ourselves presentable in front of people, do you think that if we did dress in such a way , that people would listen to what we have to say? i think not! we would look like bums, an if someone of the sort approach me like that, being that if i wasnt a servant of god an didnt know him, i would tell em to get lost, your crazy.
This sounds like re-interpretation of the Bible to me. There is a reason why Jesus wanted his disciples to present themselves after the manner of the poor and the meek. True, I wouldn't expect you to walk around like that in England in the winter. Plus, you need protection on your feet. But Jesus didn't advocate being anything more than a poor meek person. The suitcase full of books detracts from the Bible. You are not required by Jesus to take the books. The learning should be in your head.
Do you know what really, REALLY cracks me up about this guy? He says "I've been studying the bible for a year and it seems I know more than you do..."
Oooooohh....a whole entire year. And this from a kid barely past puberty.
David, you are so, so, SO very deluded. This cult has sucked you right in and you went without a struggle. I can't wait for the day your eyes are opened to the DANGEROUS people you have associated yourself with. If you're lucky enough to ever come to that understanding.
I'd be willing to bet that none of the Kingdom Halls have windows because the rest of the world does not exist to these freaks. If you're not a JW, you're not good enough. Don't let them fool you into thinking that they practice "humility." They want nothing to do with people who refuse to believe the way they do.
I'm lucky. My neighborhood crawls with these vermin every weekend. BUT. Since Bullet was disfellowshipped, and they keep track of their previous members, they cannot come to my door. I LOVE that. Anywhere we move, we will never be bothered by these annoyances.
Also, David, you might, just possibly, have the teeniest, tiniest, slimmest chance of getting through to someone here if you didn't type as if you're illiterate.
Why is it that you haven't addressed anything I have said, such as children not being allowed a childhood, or when I picked apart your other post about YOUR translations of the texts? You say you back up and "prove" everything with scripture, but since scripture is so subjective, how does it prove anything? It doesn't. Plain and simple.
As I said before, you have no idea of the minds that come here, and we won't be getting sucked in quite as easily and blindly as you did.
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ [/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
OK, KD. I had to rush out before finishing my reply. So, to continue...
You said this:
none of the witnesses pay for any literature that they recieved as well as anyone that wants some, as many may know that when we do come to your door , you will very well here us say that we do accept voluntary donations if you want to, so therefore we contribute whatever amount of money we please from the heart, to further the organization, of course the books dont pay for them selves, as well as the publications such as watchtowers an awake magazines, moeny keeps things going, as does in anyones life.
Either way, someone has to pay for the books, and it's not the tract. From my own experience, the ministerial servants were expected to 'volunarily contribute' (as you put it).
The disciples didn't even have a bible to work with. They ministered from their hearts alone in the knowledge that God would provide what they needed providing they did His work.
We live in a society that is sick and tired of door-knockers. So, the JWs are on a rocky footing to start with.
But at the bottom of it, a JW cannot think for themselves except insofar as they are allowed to choose whether to become a JW or to reject it. Having become a JW, the books indoctrinate your minds. There is no argument, the books dictate how the Bible is to be interpreted. But Jesus wanted the flock to interpret the Scriptures for theirselves. The Bible Tract survives on your backs as its servants. I stand by what I said earlier: If I am to be a member of a church, it would not be one that would seek to excommunicate me purely because I disagreed with the interpretation of a principle.
Or, for that matter, because I kept sinning as Jesus was more concerned with forgiveness of a brother rather than casting him out.
Acts 15:29 is also taken way out of context. In those days, it was a regular practice to drink blood. I agree, this is unacceptable and is one of the basic tenets of the Jewish tradition. But God only wants the blood of a human or creature that has died or has been killed. To refuse a blood transfusion is suicide (not favoured by God). To refuse a transfusion for a child is infanticide and abhorent in the eyes of the Lord. This constitutes the second reason that I could not become a JW.
It's nothing against you personally, although I think that you will be forced to take it that way, I simply don't agree with this tenet or the underlying indoctrination.
When we look at the life of Jesus we see that he associated with his apostles, disciples, and other followers to be sure. He also spent a great deal of his time out in the world eating with publicans, sinners, prostitutes, the oppressed, the disenfranchised etc. He mixed, in the world, with all kinds of people. He was often accused of the above actions as well as being a glutton and a drunkard. If we look at the parable of the wedding feast we see that even the street people are invited.
When I look at the JW's I see a group of folks who isolate themselves from the world and from their neighbours and from the disenfranchised. They are a group of folks who set themselves apart from the rest of society. They cover up crimes. They break up families. The only thing they do in society is their missionary forays.
How does one square the JW's isolation with Jesus actions in constantly being in the world and mixing with folks even the lowest of folks?
Shalom
Ted:-6
PS Respond to each, one at a time: #1 squaring with Jesus and #2 the molestation of children being covered up and the breakup of families.
I think it is rather clear that the KING is not interested in anything other than proselytizing. He does not answer the questions I ask nor has he ask for some thought on reasearch though he is the one who asked "what research?'.
Did someone somewhere say that the KING was 20 and studied the Bible for one and half years?--or was that Watch Tower material explaining the Bible? Now he thinks he knows more than others. My heavens I've been at it for some 40+ years and I am still just scratching the surface. Perhaps I'm a slow learner???? Some scholars have been at it much longer and more intensely then I have and they still feel they have much to learn.
SnoozeControl wrote: I'd be happy if there was some punctuation. Those 500 word sentences are a bit hard to read.
:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl
Punctuation, proper spelling, anything to make it a TAD more palatable.
Oh, and I got the answer about the windows. Bullet tells me that in the 70's and early 80's Kingdom Halls were the targets for fire-bombs, hence, no windows. He says there are some now that have windows, but they cannot be opened and are very thick.
Seems as though I'm not the only one who thinks these people are whacko.:-2
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ [/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
Ted wrote: I think it is rather clear that the KING is not interested in anything other than proselytizing. He does not answer the questions I ask nor has he ask for some thought on reasearch though he is the one who asked "what research?'.
Did someone somewhere say that the KING was 20 and studied the Bible for one and half years?--or was that Watch Tower material explaining the Bible? Now he thinks he knows more than others. My heavens I've been at it for some 40+ years and I am still just scratching the surface. Perhaps I'm a slow learner???? Some scholars have been at it much longer and more intensely then I have and they still feel they have much to learn.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You read right, Ted. He's a whopping 20 years old, and he said himself he's been studying the scriptures for a whole long, entire YEAR. OOooooooh. Impressed? NOT!!
I also believe you're right on the mark that he wants to proselytize, not discuss. A typical JW attitude. "I've convinced myself of the truth, don't confuse me with the facts." :yh_eyebro
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ [/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
PS Respond to each, one at a time: #1 squaring with Jesus and #2 the molestation of children being covered up and the breakup of families.
Hi Ted I was just wondering why you single out JW's as covering up molestation of children. I have been under the impression that a lot of Religions have done that in the past. Is it more organised with the JW's? i.e. Are they ordered to cover it up?.
I hope you don't mind I had a look at your public profile to see what religion you were. On it I read about your eye disease....sorry to hear about that .....I was just wondering whether you had any special programs on the computer to help you that you would recommend. My Nan's eyesight is fading fast due to an illness ( I confess I can never remember the name of it ) She always loved to read, I have her to thank for my love of books
Molestation is found in a lot of faiths. Most are now owning up to it and trying to make ammends as best they can and in accordance with the courts.
According to the TV program "Fifth Estate" which did an in depth study of this issue the JW' refuse to involve the local authorities believing that they can handle it better. There handling it better is to blame the children for being provocative or some such thing and acquit the adults. Yes it is ordered as far as I can see. This is part of an isolated cult. They don't want to admit to the world they have problems so they make it even worse.
I think is has something to do with money. The children don't put as much on the plate as the adults.
Re. eyesight.
I have a CCTV reader which has a monitor on top and a place underneath to put a book. A closed circuit TV camera and appropriate lighting which is part of the outfit allows magnification up to thousands, yes thousands.
There are computer probrams available free from several sources including microsolf. There is also an expensive program called "Zoom Text". As it is about $800.00 I have taken one of the free ones. My son did it for me and I do not know the site but a search will turn them up.
CCTVs are expensive as well. Mine was about $3600.00 but for me well worth it.
) She always loved to read, I have her to thank for my love of books