WW3 - New World Order - Pole Shift - Age of Peace (2006-2012)

[Nomad]

TruthBringer wrote: In the starkest terms possible, our country is being set up to take a mighty fall, and when our economy and military are stretched to their thinnest points, there is a very high chance that Red China is planning to storm in and give us a royal ass-whipping. And if it turns out that we are beaten to a pulp and thoroughly defeated, China will reign supreme as the next Global "king of the hill".



The wheels are being set into motion to implement a massive shift in World power. The Controllers have their sights on China, viewing it as a huge untapped market waiting to be exploited.



If that happens and America has been knocked from its perch and loses its vaulted position atop the pyramid of control, try to imagine the resulting consequences. Our standard of living will drop, our influence around the World will plummet, and somebody else - an entire country with a Communist Government that views us with disdain -- will be the vehicle through which the Controllers will try and continue to pull their evil shenanigans.



In other words, all of the privileges we've come to enjoy will be stripped away from us and given to Red China.




I dont think your far off base here. I dont think its going to be a military invasion, more of the economic variety. Again whats the solution ?

[TruthBringer]

I have many ideas in my head, but the key to defeating the New World Order my friend does not come from just one person's idea of a solution. It will come from all of our ideas combined, to be put together as a whole while each of us gathers together with one common bond of interest, which is the fact that we are all Human Beings.

[TruthBringer]

What will it take to propel us all into action before time runs out? The Controllers have already allowed for the leveling of the World Trade Centers, and look at what happened when they did. I don't want to minimize the effects of that atrocity, but believe me, that was only the first step.

The next time they decide to "bring us to our knees", we won't know what hit us. If 9-11 was a slap in the face, stage two of their evil plan will be a full-blown knockout punch. Then what are we going to do? There were people who experienced full-blown depression for at least three months after 9-11. How in the heck are they going to cope with an unleashed total assault on our collective consciousness? The effect will be debilitating, if not altogether crippling.

America, hidden forces are deliberately laying the groundwork to destroy this Great Nation. If we don't stop them soon, everything we've earned and come to enjoy will be lost!

[TruthBringer]

A figure who gained prominence in recent times -- Wen Ho lee -- has been accused of passing defense and nuclear secrets to the Chinese. The only problem was that all the charges were dropped by the U. S. District Court Judge James Parker. But it turned out that he was passing secrets to China of a different kind all-together.

Since Mr. Lee has been mentioned, the next natural step is to examine the Chinese government's relationship to America's military institutions.

If you didn't know this already, the CSIS (Chinese Secret Intelligence Service) DID penetrate our installation at Los Alamos, but not with Wen Ho Lee's help.

Instead, they joined forces with an intelligence agency of a different sort - Israel's Mossad! Yes, now we're getting into areas that are very touchy, and extremely dangerous. In fact, Bobby Ray Inman, former CIA head, described Israel as one of a half-dozen countries with a "Government-directed, orchestrated and clandestine effort to steal U.S. military and economic secrets."

Could this revelation be true? Portions of Israel, the country to which we annually give over $5 billion in foreign aid - our supposed ally - actually spying on us and trying to sabotage our nation? Well, it's true, and it gets much worse. To show this country's mindset, Meir Amit, former Director of the Mossad, was quoted in a CIA report on December 15, 1986 as saying, "Mossad should live by the credo 'Israel first, last and always."

[TruthBringer]

Well folks, strap on your seatbelts and get ready to hang on because Red China is NOT America's friend, and neither is certain factions of Israel. The Mossad and CSIS - the two most dangerous intelligence forces in the World - have teamed together. And here's what they have been up to.

Israel's CSIS was the first to obtain Los Alamos secrets. Then, in a move that is beyond repair, they shared this highly explosive information with Red China - America's greatest threat. As payment, Red China gave Israel their latest military secrets to keep them one step ahead of their Arab enemies in the Middle East.

Why? Because these factions of Israel are playing both ends against the middle. They have sided with the United States for decades because we were the "king of the hill". But now that they see China slated to replace us, they're switching their allegiance to them while sucking vast amounts of U.S. foreign aid out of us. Worse, the hidden Controllers are drawing us into an awful Middle-Eastern Israeli/Palestinian war that will Further enrage Arab and Muslim hatred for us, and weaken our military forces by spreading them even thinner (don't forget about India/Packistan, Afghanistan, ect.)

If this doesn't stop soon, it will lead us into an economic disaster, and the more money that we borrow to fuel our War Machine, the more money we will need to pay back in interest.

[TruthBringer]

If any of you think for a second that all of Israel is our friend, you're seriously deceiving yourself. There are organizations in Israel who care about one thing; and one thing only - ISRAEL! Think about it: would an ally hire Jonathan Pollard, a civilian senior anyalyst at our top-secret Navy Field Operational Intelligence Office in Suitland, Maryland to steal our intelligence reports?

As Gordon Thomas wrote in Seeds of Fire: "In the time he had spied for Israel, Pollard read and copied and transmitted every worthwhile secret the United States possessed." Keep this sentence in mind, for it reiterates what the CIA's George Tenet said: "Pollard stole every worthwhile intelligence secret that we have." Think about this for a moment. The Mossad possesses ALL of our secrets, and they've recently joined forces with the CSIS and are exchanging information with them.

Some of the keys to the future of mankind at both Los Alamos and S-4 (Area 51) are now in the hands of our most dire enemy - Red China!

How did things get this bad? It all started with a software program created by William Hamilton called Promis (Prosecutors Management Information Systems) that was designed to share information between various databases, and to also track information from other databases by tapping into them.

Hamilton explained to the Department of Justice, "Enhanced Promis has the ability to track every citizen in the United States by accessing their personal data files. The barest details of their lives would be sufficient: a birth certificate, marriage license, driver's license, or employment record."

[TruthBringer]

Promis was obviously a powerful piece of software with the potential to be so all-encompasing and octopus-like in its reach that Deputy Attorney General Lowell Jensen labeled it "one of the greatest discoveries of this century."

Realizing its benefit as an intelligence tool, the LAKAM, operating out of Israel's Ministry of Defense and even more secretive than the Mossad, sent the most notorious spy in the World - Rafi Eitan - to steal it. Eitan (who was the principle figure in setting up the Irangate arms-for-hostages deal) "obtained" a copy of the Enhanced Promis software; then presented it to LAKAM programmers, who deconstructed it. The software was then sold to secret service agencies, terrorists, and financial centers all over the World.

There's only one catch to this story: granted that such an undertaking was not only blatantly ILLEGAL on Israel's part, but it was also a betrayal against the U.S. In no uncertain terms, these Israeli programmers also pulled one final trick. After ripping the Enhanced Promis software apart, they installed a "trap door" before putting it back together again that would allow them to have ANY information on the host system that was using it.

Do you know what this means? Say, for instance, this software was installed into YOUR computer. Because of the back door that nobody knew about when they illegally bought it, these Israeli ogranizations could see EVERY FILE on your computer. Every one! Som when the Insraeli's began selling the stolen software to the black market, one would wonder why they'd lay such a golden egg into the laps of their enemies. But with the trap door, it becomes evident. They could spy on everything that their adversaries were doing! And to whom were they selling it? To name a few: the IRA, England's M15, the Russian Mafia, the Jordanian government, Switzerland's Credit Suisse Bank (with a wealth of financial data), the Soviet Union's military intelligence, Germany's secret service (BND), and last but not least, the Chinese government, which was intent on breaking into our labs at Los Alamos and unearthing all of our military secrets.

[TruthBringer]

Also on their agenda was Sandia Labs, where we arm our nuclear subs.

Once again, certain organizations in China and Israel are in cahoots with eachother to undermine the United States of America.

The man who sold the doctored Enhanced Promis software to China's secret service was none other than publishing tycoon Robert Maxwell. He was so instrumental in selling this program to spy agencies all around the World before he got "knocked off" for talking too much and not being able to meet his financial obligations. (Do you remember him drowning after "falling off" his boat a few years ago? The Controllers have a way of eliminating those who become a problem.)

Understanding Israel's role in supplying this stolen, doctored, illegal software to shady organizations all over the World (that THEY and only they benefited from) is crucial. A ruling by the U.S. Congress Judiciary Committee declared in no uncertain terms, "A foreign power - the State of Israel - has been engaged in active espionage against the United States by the illegal use of Enhanced Promis software."

What makes this matter even more appalling is the fact that the powers-that-be in America knew that the Trojan Horse was installed in the back of this software that was sold to spies, criminals, and Governments across the World. This invariably leads back to the Israeli secret service and our nation's silence where we made no attempts to prosecute or expose them.

[Nomad]

TruthBringer wrote: I have many ideas in my head, but the key to defeating the New World Order my friend does not come from just one person's idea of a solution. It will come from all of our ideas combined, to be put together as a whole while each of us gathers together with one common bond of interest, which is the fact that we are all Human Beings.




Therein lies the problem.

[Chicken Little]

Shady software, and the sky is falling!

[Nomad]

Chicken Little wrote: Shady software, and the sky is falling!




This is code for something isnt it ?

Give me time...Ill bust it wide open and out you commie

[TruthBringer]

It's truly sickening. John Cohen of the House Judiciary Committee summed it up when he said, "There is putrid stench that reaches across party lines in Washington and involves cover-ups by various administrations and foreign Governments, specifically Israel's. Though tens of millions of dollars have been spent investigating the "Inslaw Affair", they have all failed for one reason only. Very powerful people do not wish the truth to get out."

Sean McDade of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who performed one of the most extensive investigations into this sordid affair, said of the Inslaw Scandal in a memo to his superiors in 2000, "If made public, more than one U.S. Presidential administration will be exposed because of their knowledge and complicity." He then went on to indict the Israeli Mossad. "The Israeli Mossad modified the original stolen software by Rafi Eitan, which was the "first back door". Later it became a "two-way back door", allowing the Israeli's access to top U.S. weapons secrets at Los Alamos and other classified installations in the U.S. The Israelis now possess all the nuclear secrets of the U.S. Compared to this espionage coup, it can be categorically stated that the Jonathan Pollard case is insignificant."

[TruthBringer]

These are all credible, reliable sources speaking about Israeli espionage that was so severe that it made the Jonathan Pollard case pale in comparison. Yes, the Mossad has teamed up with China to remove our military secrets, all of which are now floating around in a cyber-world of doctored software, back doors, and misguided alliances. And now our greatest enemy, Red China, is in the driver's seat due to the Israeli Mossad's complicity.

At this point we should take a look at the Red China and see why we should be so suspicious of them. Yeah, this isn't a nation of nice guys.

Instead, they're the ones who sold Iraq the ingredients that would be necessary to develop a hydrogen bomb, specifically large quantities of lithium 6 hydride. But that's not all. They've also been dealing arms to the Middle Eastern countries for years, and in 1990 alone they sold over $300 million worth of military hardware to Syria, Iran, and Iraq. Premier Li Peng even referred to his native China as "the new friends of the Arabs."

During the Reagan administration, China sold the Saudis missiles with a 200-mile range, plus brokered Silkworm missiles with poison gas warheads to both Iran and Iraq. If you have ever wondered where these countries have been getting their explosives and weaponry, a good place to start looking (apart from the United States) is Russia and the People's Republic of China.

[TruthBringer]

But an even better indicator of what type of people rule Red China can be found in the ruthlessly brutal Tiananmen Massacre in 1989. If you can remember that fateful event, the students in question only wanted two things - freedom and democratic rule. What did they receive for their efforts? A bloody massacre. When the Red Chinese military retaliated, there were 4,000 deaths and 6,500 people wounded on the very first day alone.

How did the American Controller-brainwashed politicians and business leaders react to this atrocious massacre; and all of Red China's other appalling Human rights violations? Well, they gave them MOST FAVORED NATION trading status and started funneling billions of dollars into their economy! Doesn't this reaction seem odd to you, even downright WRONG, especially from a country that supposedly places such a high emphasis on concepts such as quality and rights?

There's only one problem though; which is that the Controllers who manipulate our leaders like George Bush, Sr., Bill Clinton and now Bush Jr., don't give a damn about justice or righteousness. Nah, their only concerns are power, money, and a side dish of war as an appetizer.

[TruthBringer]

To the Controllers, Red China isn't a barbaric society with zero regard for mindividual citizens. Instead, they view it as a huge untapped economic market waiting to be exploited. In fact, during the last decade, Controller-operated companies and Governments have invested untold mega-billions into China. Dow Chemicals pumped $56 million into a processing plant, while AT&T laid out an entire communications system for them.

The primary devil spearheading this traitorous operation is none other than Bilderberg/CFR luminary Henry Kissinger, who has pumped billions of dollars into the Chinese economy via his company, Kissinger Associates.

Gordon Thomas says of him, "More than any other American, he has been responsible for promoting U.S. investments in China." Kissinger even created the highly valued lauded American-China Society with former Secretary of State Cyrus Vance. And guess who was on the Board of Directors of this "association" over the years: Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, National Security Advisors McGeorge Bundy, Robert McFarlane, Zigbniew Brzezinski: and former Secretary's of State Dean Rusk, Edward Muskie, Alexander Haig, and William Rogers.

[TruthBringer]

Kissinger Associates influences their clients to invest in China. There was David Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan that plunked-down $270 million for a nuclear power plant at Daya Bay, which was subsequently used to make nuclear weapons. Or how about American Express that fronted $138 million for a Beijing office complex, or Atlantic Richfield who laid $170 million for a natural gas field. These companies are "helping" a Government that steals our military secrets and kills anyone who dares speak out against them.

One of the most grating aspects of this scenario is our continuing lack of resolve in the face of Red China standing diametrically opposed to what America is supposed to represent. But instead of completely banishing them economically, it's business as usual, with American companies continuing to pour more money into their coffers.

An act that personified our intentions toward China was the slaughter at Tiananmen Square. Here's what happened. George Bush, Sr. was getting ready to invade Iraq, but he wanted full support in the United Nations. The only problem - China was hesitant to give their nod of approval unless they got something in return. So, if the United States took a hard line and denounced the brutal murders that took place at Tiananmen Square, the Chinese would not vote in favor of our Iraqi invasion in the U.N.

In other words, President Bush Sr. sold out in the most abhorrent way possible. China outwardly spit on freedom and any hint of democracy; then we turned around and gave them Most Favored Nation status and the assurance of loans through the World Bank. We then also ended all trade restrictions with China, and allowed them to enter the World Trade Organization, and welcomed them as a member of GATT.

[TruthBringer]

But the Globalist controlled love-fest didn't end there. China forwarded to the U.S. information on their military sales to Iraq that our NSA satellites couldn't locate. By January, 1991, the Pentagon had the exact location of every Silkworm missile site in Iraq, plus all of their other weaponry. In addition, we also knew where the lithium 6 deuteride used for making hydrogen bombs was stored (which, by the way, was sold to Iraq by China from a nuclear power plant in Inner Mongolia).

But wait - there's more! When the Chinese Government was going to stage "trials" for the students that they hadn't already slain (a total mockery of justice), they didn't want the U.S. to give them any problems over the penalties they doled out (many of which were death sentences). So, the Bush Administration kept quiet like good little lap dogs while the "rabble-rousers" were unmercifully eliminated. Like the old Chinese saying goes, "kill one, educate one hundred."

[TruthBringer]

Since that time, over a decade ago, what has transpired? Well, we've helped Red China improve their satellites and given them the know-how to upgrade their missile guidance systems. We've also given them advanced aviation data for their jets and fighter planes. Who do you think was behind the scenes acting as the conduit for these deals? At the time, Joseph Brewer, a Washington analyst, said, "Bush's implicit message to U.S. companies with a total of many billions of dollars invested in China was clear. Despite the massacres, they should regard the situation very much as business as usual. The apologists of Kissinger Associates could not have expressed their positions more clearly than had the President."

Reinforcing this opinion, the Wall Street Journal reported in September, 1989, three months after the Tiananmen slaughter, "Kissinger Associates could be on the verge of earning hundreds of thousands from a limited partnership set up to engage in joint dealings with CITIC (a merchandise and banking arm of the Chinese Government)."

Three primary individuals took the necessary steps to assure that China got re-certified with Most Favored Nation trading status. They were Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig, and Prescott Bush. Haig remained a player as chairman of Worldwide Associates, Inc., a consulting firm with ties to whom? You guessed it - Kissinger Associates! Through these wheelings-and-dealings, he set up an array of joint ventures with the CITIC, thus keeping the machine rolling. Prescott Bush, on the other hand, was a consultant for Asset Management International Financing and Settlement, Ltd., where he raised $60 million to invest in joint Chinese-U.S. projects.

[TruthBringer]

However, don't focus so exclusively on George Bush Sr. and his crony James Baker. No, this traitorous behavior stretches across party lines and successive administrations. Remember, the Controller's don't care about Republicans or Democrats; they merely use them as vehicles to accomplish their goals. Bill Clinton was guilty beyond words of bending over backwards to facilitate China. Jimmy Carter (after leaving office) visited the Mainland and suggested that China receive MFN status, which puts tariffs on imports into that country at the lowest possible rate.

Even today, the George Bush Jr. administration is packed with devils doing the Controllers' bidding. Look at the former consultants for Kissinger Associates that have served in the Bush cabinet or on the periphery. First of all, there's Brent Scowcroft, who became National Security Advisor, and who was formerly the Kissinger Associates Washington office director. Or how about Lawrence Eagleburger in the State Department? Insiders say he's more familiar with the financial interactions between China and America than anyone.

Finally, James Baker still pops his head up once in awhile, shaping foreign policy behind the scenes on orders from George Bush, Sr., who no doubt is in direct contact with the Controllers. And if you don't think these individuals play a significant role in determining our foreign policy, check out the December, 2000 CIA report that says that George W. Bush is "at best inexperienced in global matters." AT BEST INEXPERIENCED! Do you think the Controllers, with so much at stake, are going to let George W. mess things up for them? Hardly.

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Nomad wrote: [QUOTE=TruthBringer]In other words, all of the privileges we've come to enjoy will be stripped away from us and given to Red China.I dont think your far off base here. I dont think its going to be a military invasion, more of the economic variety. Again whats the solution ?[/QUOTE]Why do you think there needs to be a solution, Nomad? It would solve a whole stack of problems, and I can't see that the downside is going to be worse than the current state of affairs.

The easy way to follow this thread, by the way, is to set TruthBringer on ignore and just follow the asides.

[TruthBringer]

Next we should really take a look at a document released awhile back entitled, "Global Trends 2015". Here are a few of the CIA's very startling predictions:

1. China's economic growth will be greater than that of all of Europe by the year 2010, while Russia's will only be 1/5th of the United States.

2. China will incite a full-scale trade war by 2010.

3. China will promote various terrorist groups to align and atack the U.S.

4. By 2015, the U.S. will surrender its role as World policeman.

5. By 2015, a MAJOR WAR will break out between the U.S. and China!

6. Finally, a direct quote from the CIA's "Global Trends 2015" report: "China, as it becomes increasingly the NEW SUPERPOWER of the Third Millennium, is likely to provide biological and chemical weapons and "suitcase" nuclear devices to wage terror against the United States."

That was a CIA report people! And you know how corrupt our CIA can be, so for them to come out blatantly with predictions like those must mean that they know what the Controllers have in store for us.

Now, I don't buy too much stock into the dating of their predictions, because as you can see from the title of this thread I really do believe that our war with China is coming very soon, and that it will happen alot sooner than 2015, and in fact from what I have studied I truly believe that it's coming within the next 3 years or so. Before 2012. But regardless of the dates, the fact remains simple, which is that China is slated to take us on for control of the World's marketplace and will undoubtedly end up in battle with our country over who gets to be the dominant nation of the World.

[TruthBringer]

And yet all of the "devils" from Kissinger Associates, the Bilderbergs, the CFR and the Trilateral Commission keep telling our Government to pump software, hardware, weaponry, computers, and advanced technology into their country. What's going on? We need to wake up quickly or the hammer is going to drop.

What China is doing with the technology we're laying at their doorstep is also very telling in determining what type of society they plan to create. The answer would make George Orwell shudder in his grave. Yes, Big Brother has become such an integral part of China's long-term planning that Gordon Thomas writes, "By the year 2001, technology had become like drug addiction in China."

Here is what the Chinese are currently doing, and intend to do in the future:

* Long before 2010, they would like every street in China to be equipped with closed-circuit television.

* They plan to experiment with the attachment of microchips to the Human brain. Once in place, the authorities could use a device that would read a person's mind and relay the information to a computer. As I'm sure you can imagine; this invasion into the deepest realms of our thought process would be the ultimate surveillance weapon!

* They want to Develop a new radar system that could locate any American stealth fighter plane that we have.

* Privacy International, a London based Human rights group, has reported that any foreigner going to China will be entered into at least 300 different databases, all of which will be interconnected. The traveler's every move will then be detailed - e-mails, laptop activity, room service, financial transactions, phone calls, ect. - everything monitored.

* They plan to install hundreds of thousands of cameras on buses, trains, and elevators.

* Residents will essentially be filmed all day long from the time they leave their home. All public buildings, roads, and apartment complexes will also be staked-out with cameras, and new housing projects will eventually have "seeing-eyes" in every room!

* The Red Chinese Government's ultimate goal is to monitor people every second of the day from birth to death; much of this activity arising from technology will either be purchased or stolen from the United States.

Gordon Thomas says, "In China, surveillance is an integral part of pacification, intimidation, obfuscation, propaganda and control. In its most pernicious form, surveillance is used for behavior modification, including adverse conditioning.

[gmc]

TruthBringer wrote: Next we should really take a look at a document released awhile back entitled, "Global Trends 2015". Here are a few of the CIA's very startling predictions:

1. China's economic growth will be greater than that of all of Europe by the year 2010, while Russia's will only be 1/5th of the United States.

2. China will incite a full-scale trade war by 2010.

3. China will promote various terrorist groups to align and atack the U.S.

4. By 2015, the U.S. will surrender its role as World policeman.

5. By 2015, a MAJOR WAR will break out between the U.S. and China!

6. Finally, a direct quote from the CIA's "Global Trends 2015" report: "China, as it becomes increasingly the NEW SUPERPOWER of the Third Millennium, is likely to provide biological and chemical weapons and "suitcase" nuclear devices to wage terror against the United States."

That was a CIA report people! And you know how corrupt our CIA can be, so for them to come out blatantly with predictions like those must mean that they know what the Controllers have in store for us.

Now, I don't buy too much stock into the dating of their predictions, because as you can see from the title of this thread I really do believe that our war with China is coming very soon, and that it will happen alot sooner than 2015, and in fact from what I have studied I truly believe that it's coming within the next 3 years or so. Before 2012. But regardless of the dates, the fact remains simple, which is that China is slated to take us on for control of the World's marketplace and will undoubtedly end up in battle with our country over who gets to be the dominant nation of the World.


These are the guys that thought funding and training the taliban was a great idea so I wouldn't pay too much attention to what they think.

Your theory is too simplistic in it's assumptions and views the people of the world as simpletons.

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gmc wrote: Your theory is too simplistic in it's assumptions and views the people of the world as simpletons.He does have an odd notion of "market", certainly. The idea that a market requires a rich buyer seems to have gone over his head. What do you do if you want to trade with someone? You help him accumulate wealth so he can afford what you're offering.

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The reason this dork, TruthBringer, treats ForumGarden as write-only and never responds is that he's spamming this garbage onto every bulletin board that doesn't ban him on sight. Google is clogged to the gills with copies of these posts.

[TruthBringer]

First of all, I respond to every question that I see directed my way.

And second of all, I already responded once to your question sir about what I would do with this information.

I am not going to TELL you what YOU should do with this information. Just as I am not going to wipe your ass after you go to the bathroom either. I am posting this stuff because it's time to wake up. Plain and simple. Much of this you may have already known, and thats fine. The majority of this stuff is intended for people who don't have a clue about the Truth. And hopefully due to some of this information they can now see for themselves why our Country and our Planet are going down the drain. And how if people don't wake up to this soon, they may have kissed their chance goodbye.

[TruthBringer]

Not only is Red Chinese Intelligence obsessed with "obtaining" America's deepest technological, defense, and computer secrets, but they were also responsible for helping Saddam Hussein upgrade his defense network. China is also among the top two purchasers of Russian arms, and reached a peak of $2.7 billion in weapons sales in 1999 (with the volatile country of Pakistan, which was a few years ago on the brink of nuclear war with India, being its primary buyer). Their role is so troublesome that the New York Times, on August 20, 2001, quoted the "Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations 1993-2000" report published by the Congressional Research Service, saying: "China can present an important obstacle to the developing World where political and military tensions are significant."

But the aspect of Chinese society is the difference in outlook between the Red Chinese Government and the Americans. The Red Chinese "Machine" does not care about truth or public opinion, but are much better and more comfortable with censorship and propaganda. Nor do they cater to or create media hysteria when an event takes place. Instead, they simply stand back and observe, then take notes and wait.

Waiting is the key; then at the right moment, they lunge forward and they strike.

[TruthBringer]

At the core of the Red Chinese Machine - its intelligence, its propaganda - its military leaders, its politicians - is one belief: it despises America's fear of casualties.

From their perspective, every time America enters a war (from Korea and Vietnam to Afghanistan) or needs to "remedy a situation", they always worry about public opinion and body counts. But the Red Chinese don't place such an emphasis on Human life. Rather, they teach their soldiers that although America has an array of sophisticated weaponry, they're afraid of death!

According to them, we can be beaten in war because we are soft. That's why the Red Chinese Government admires the Israeli Government and Military. The Israeli Government, in their view, holds this same lack of regard for death. The "individual" does not hold as much importance as does the society or nation.

Thus, Red China and Israel's Government are linked once again, which brings us to the infamous downing of an American spy plane in May, 2001. When this event took place and was plastered across the daily newspaper, guess who the Red Chinese invited and promised full-access to inspect the plane and its sophisticated secrets? A team of Israeli technicians was secretly flown to Hainan Island where the plane was disabled.

[TruthBringer]

Do you see a pattern evolving? But Chinese subterfuge towards the U.S. doesn't end there. On the day of 9-11, the day America was horrendously attacked - guess what the Chinese were doing? One of their PLA (People's Liberation Army) planes landed at Kabul, Afghanistan, and on board were a team of defense contractors, secret service members and some senior Army officers.

This was on September 11, 2001! And why did they arrive there? To sign contracts giving the Taliban state-of-the-art electronics defense equipment, plus advocating warning and missile tracking systems that helped bring these terrorists into the modern age. Does this action sound like one carried out by a trusted ally of the United States? Hell no, especially on THE DAY we were viciously attacked. Up until then, the Taliban was nothing but a rag-tag operation with a total of 150 tanks, 15 helicopters, 20 bombers, and a few old Russian Kalashnikov rifles. That was it.

But lo and behold, China updated them! So the Taliban received military equipment in return for a promise that the Muslim fundamentalists would not attack their mainland.

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TruthBringer wrote: And hopefully due to some of this information they can now see for themselves why our Country and our Planet are going down the drain. And how if people don't wake up to this soon, they may have kissed their chance goodbye.The planet is doing fine, thank you. Given an alternative between US and Chinese hegemony, after the last few decades I'd happily settle for the latter since it's a cultured society with a multiplicity of solutions, a complexity of approaches and a flexibility of governance. What US imperial capitalism is providing, by contrast, is simplistic short-term planetary theft and corruption underpinned by the most uneducated propagandized proletariat in the developed world. The sooner that system drowns in its own debt the better for all of us, and I include the average American citizen in that group.

[TruthBringer]

Spot, you are living in your own special reality. Thanks to none other than yourself. If you like it, thats fine. But don't expect me to be a part of it.

The World itself is fine, but is in danger. Thats what I was getting at. We are supposed to be stewards of this planet, and yet, we continue to rape it for it's minerals and it's resources. I am speaking about the majority of Human Beings at this moment. Not those who have looked inside themselves to find the answers.

Our World is on the brink of one of the biggest battles between Good and Evil that we have ever seen. And there is a lesson to be learned from all of it.

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TruthBringer wrote: Our World is on the brink of one of the biggest battles between Good and Evil that we have ever seen. And there is a lesson to be learned from all of it.A major lesson comes from realizing that there's no Good and no Evil, and that policies based on such categories are pushed by self-serving propagandist functionaries who would better serve the people if they were incarcerated.

[TruthBringer]

I beg to differ my friend. Good and Evil do exist.

I suspect you would argue with Christ on the subject? Or any other Great Being from our past who knew the difference?

There is a Dark and there is a Light. There has been from the beginning. The question of Free Will offers the choice of choosing between the two. However, that only offers a person the choice, it does not eliminate the fact that either one exists.

By the way....

there is a website called www.TruthBringer.com. I just want to state plainly that this website is not mine. So don't get the two confused. I have no idea who that kid is, but obviously he was one of the first to go by the name TruthBringer.

Apparently, there have been more than a few people who have used this name in the past. Little did I know.

[spot]

TruthBringer wrote: I beg to differ my friend. Good and Evil do exist.

I suspect you would argue with Christ on the subject? Or any other Great Being from our past who knew the difference?

There is a Dark and there is a Light.I'd happily split a couple of bottles of wine with Him any day, if we had an interpreter to hand. He didn't speak English, and my Aramaic isn't up to the job.

The current US administration is, presumably, basking in the Light?

TruthBringer wrote: Spot, you are living in your own special reality.Coming from you, TruthBringer, that carries a resonance all of its own.

[TruthBringer]

spot wrote:

The current US administration is, presumably, basking in the Light?




Many members of the current United States Administration are basking in the Dark. Both in secret and out in the open.

Perhaps there are some who are gravitating towards the Light? Not many in Bush's circle I will tell you that much.

However, it's not by how a person looks or talks that gives their true colors away. It's by what they do. And actions always speak louder than words. And all you have to do is watch their actions. Sooner or later you will begin to see a pattern. And their words will become unnecessary.

[TruthBringer]

It's also important to note that Osama bin Laden made several trips to China in the years preceding 9-11.

Also, how can we forget about Bill Clinton? Bill Clinton is right up there when it comes to aiding and abetting the Red Chinese. Here are a few quotes:



General Accounting Office - (June 19, 1998):

"President Clinton issued wavers on military items valued at $36.3 million and licensing of commercial military exports worth $313 million."



Jeff Garth - New York Times (October 19, 1998) on how nearly $2 billion in annual trade has been removed from federal scrutiny:

"The Pentagon was traditionally the strongest voice against technology exports, and Clinton made several appointments calculated to change the culture. The former president said at that time, "One reason I ran for President was to tailor export controls to the realization of a post-cold war World."



The Cox Report:

The thrust of this report revolves around how the Clinton administration helped China get more technology and conveniently paved the way for them to steal and engage in espionage against this country. As Oklahoma Senator James M. Inhofe notes, "As the Cox report points out, nuclear espionage by China is only one part of the problem. China's efforts to acquire U.S. military-related technology is pervasive. Operating through a maze of Government and quasi-Government entities and front companies, China has established a technology-gathering network of IMMENSE PROPORTIONS. They are willing and able to trade, bribe, buy or steal to get U.S. advanced technology - all for the purpose of enhancing their long-term military potential. Their success is often determined largely by our willingness to make it easier for them to get what they want."

[spot]

TruthBringer wrote: However, it's not by how a person looks or talks that gives their true colors away. It's by what they do. And actions always speak louder than words. And all you have to do is watch their actions. Sooner or later you will begin to see a pattern. And their words will become unnecessary.So... shall we try to sum up your 200+ postings in one screen, for the benefit of those who might not have attentively followed? I'll try, and you can correct me.

You see a pre-existing conspiracy, the insiders being the "Controllers".

You have Zoroastrian as opposed to Christian tendencies, equating the universe to a continual struggle between the Good and the Evil, the Light and the Dark, in which the outcome is uncertain.

You don't want Red China to become Top Dog, for some reason. You have a preference for continued US Superpower status.

You see the Tiber foaming with much blood - I'm sorry, that's just my way of putting it. Disaster looms, in the form of outright global war?

You want to put all this theorizing "on the record", and posting it to several discussion forums is cheaper than building your own website.

Have I missed anything vital?

[lady cop]

this thread is the most fu*king boring thing i have ever seen in my life...and i've read the 19 volume tax code. but the fact is "truthbringer" does not care that he is numbing our brains with his bullshit. it's only our fault if we read it. he is determined to publish this crap. all we can do is hope he goes away someday.

[spot]

lady cop wrote: this thread is the most fu*king boring thing i have ever seen in my life...and i've read the 19 volume tax code. but the fact is "truthbringer" does not care that he is numbing our brains with his bullshit. it's only our fault if we read it. he is determined to publish this crap. all we can do is hope he goes away someday. You give too little credit to the Bar and the Word Association, LC. TruthBringer may perhaps be certifiable, but he takes up far less bandwidth.

[lady cop]

spot wrote: You give too little credit to the Bar and the Word Association, LC. TruthBringer may perhaps be certifiable, but he takes up far less bandwidth.than what, the tax code? spot i have agreed with you twice in over a year. we don't like each other much, but i liked your post last night. (oh god, save me.:wah: )

[spot]

lady cop wrote: we don't like each other much.We don't? There was a somewhat contrived spat a while ago about whether "bimbo" was a term of abuse on a par with yid or scumbag, but I'd assumed that was all water under the bridge. We still have a problem?

Oh, there was the "nitpicking troll" concept, now that I go back and check. I call people on occasional inane illogical prejudices, and you took exception...

lady cop wrote: spot, not only are you a nitpicking troll who hijacks threads, but now you are insulting a beloved poster here. i will follow Paul's lead and put you on ignore also. you will never again receive even a civil reply from me because i won't be able to read anything you say. you just lost the privilege of any respect whatsoever. To be honest, I doubt whether I've changed a lot since then, but to assume that I "don't like you" much is more than I have ever given you cause to think.

[TruthBringer]

spot wrote: So... shall we try to sum up your 200+ postings in one screen, for the benefit of those who might not have attentively followed? I'll try, and you can correct me.

You see a pre-existing conspiracy, the insiders being the "Controllers".

You have Zoroastrian as opposed to Christian tendencies, equating the universe to a continual struggle between the Good and the Evil, the Light and the Dark, in which the outcome is uncertain.

You don't want Red China to become Top Dog, for some reason. You have a preference for continued US Superpower status.

You see the Tiber foaming with much blood - I'm sorry, that's just my way of putting it. Disaster looms, in the form of outright global war?

You want to put all this theorizing "on the record", and posting it to several discussion forums is cheaper than building your own website.

Have I missed anything vital?


No my friend, I do not believe that Good and Evil is an eternal struggle. In my belief structure, in the beginning there was God, AND THEN there was Good and Evil. Created by God. And in the end I believe there will be just God again. It's really that simple in my eyes.

However, I also believe that nothing exists without a purpose. So Evil falls into that category as well. These are my beliefs. And of course you are entitled to all of your own. And believe it or not I do enjoy sharing them back and forth.

[lady cop]

i'd like detente.

[Nomad]

TruthBringer wrote: First of all, I respond to every question that I see directed my way.



And second of all, I already responded once to your question sir about what I would do with this information.



I am not going to TELL you what YOU should do with this information. Just as I am not going to wipe your ass after you go to the bathroom either. I am posting this stuff because it's time to wake up. Plain and simple. Much of this you may have already known, and thats fine. The majority of this stuff is intended for people who don't have a clue about the Truth. And hopefully due to some of this information they can now see for themselves why our Country and our Planet are going down the drain. And how if people don't wake up to this soon, they may have kissed their chance goodbye.




TB, how did you come to the conclusion this is "THE" truth ? Did it conform with ideas you already entertained or was it more of an epiphany upon discovery ?

[spot]

TruthBringer wrote: No my friend, I do not believe that Good and Evil is an eternal struggle. In my belief structure, in the beginning there was God, AND THEN there was Good and Evil. Created by God. And in the end I believe there will be just God again. It's really that simple in my eyes.

However, I also believe that nothing exists without a purpose. So Evil falls into that category as well. These are my beliefs. And of course you are entitled to all of your own. And believe it or not I do enjoy sharing them back and forth.My apologies, I had so far failed to note the least hint of any Christian background to your posts so far. I shall refine the highlights:

You see a pre-existing conspiracy, the insiders being the "Controllers".

You post with the perspective of a committed Christian.

You don't want Red China to become Top Dog, for some reason. You have a preference for continued US Superpower status.

You see the Tiber foaming with much blood in that disaster looms in the form of outright global war triggered, presumably, by US entrenchment against the heathen hordes.

You want to put all this theorizing "on the record", and posting it to several discussion forums is cheaper than building your own website.

I'm still not at all sure why you dislike the People's Republic to such an extent. Do you think they'll introduce less social equity into international relations if they expand their sphere of influence, perhaps?

[TruthBringer]

Look some of that stuff was correct while at the same time being incorrect. Some things can not be taken at face value.

I am a Christian in the broadest sense of the Word, yes. I am someone who is very worried about the current status of China and yes, I am also concerned with many of their actions as of late and within the last few years. I am also someone who believes in prophecy, both new and old, and yes, Biblical as well. I believe in all True Prophecy. Now the distinction between True and False prophecy in my opinion is up to the person who is judging it. We all come away with different opinions after hearing a prophecy. The real ones weren't designed to make decisions for us. Rather they were put on the Earth for many different reasons, but often times as a warning of what might happen if we Humans don't retract from our selfish ways. They are basicly just a "vision" of an outcome that is extremely plausible and possible if things don't go in a different direction. Again, this is all based on my own perspective and reality. But it seems to be working just fine for me, and I wouldn't give my beliefs up for the World.

Much of the other stuff you said about me was pritty much right on key though. But alot of it was speculation on your part. I would love to sit here and chat about me all day long (not really) lol, but the truth is that I just don't have time. World War 3 is inching ever more closely and I need to keep chugging along here at a pritty good pace if I expect to make any difference at all in a way that will effect this World positively.

[TruthBringer]

The following items come from "The Hansen Case: A Trifle Compared to Clinton-China Connection" written by Sam Smith for Newsmax.com on February 22, 2001:

Commerce Secretary Ron Brown: Allowed American-made engines to be sold to China to put into their cruise missiles. The only problem is - this was strictly military equipment; but that didn't matter. Brown got around this little "snag" by reclassifying all the engines as "civilian".

New York Times - Clinton took over $2 billion worth of items that we exported to China off the list of things that could come under inspection by our National Security forces. This included nearly 80 supercomputers that could unscramble classified data and also design nuclear weapons. Many of these items were ultimately used by China's military, yet the Clinton administration refused to allow a peep of scrutiny here in the U.S.

President Clinton: Signed National Security waivers to let four U.S. commercial satellites to be set into orbit by the Red Chinese even though China knowingly was exporting nuclear and missile technology to Iran, Pakistan, and other terrorist countries.

Conclusion to "The Hansen Case" (VERY IMPORTANT): "The brunt of the evidence was that the Red Chinese Government had obtained more American military secrets over the past two decades than had all of the previous spies in American history put together! They had basic information on all nuclear weapons systems, they got our most advanced supercomputers, and they gained extraordinarily important information about satellite systems. Some of this knowledge they used for themselves, some they retrofitted and repackaged and sold to other countries like Iraq, where it is used against our own fighter planes."

Smith continues, "While the problem occured under both Republican and Democratic administrations, it got completely out of hand under Clinton....a stunning proportion was obtained either as a direct result of political and economic decisions by the Clinton Administration or as a result of what best be described as premeditated indifference."

[TruthBringer]

Can you see what's going on? The Bush administration, plus Clinton's dog-and-pony show are mere puppets; facilitators who implement decisions from above to prepare China for their showdown with the United States. This is scary stuff, folks, and you may be wondering, when are they going to strike? The answer is simple - whenever they're ready. And what do they need to get them ready? More and better U.S. technology! Isn't it obvious? We're the ones who are allowing the Controllers to dig our own graves! And while all this occurs, Red China waits silently (for the most part), as the "ultimate perpetrator" as Gordon Thomas calls it, holding America in contempt for one thing - for being TOO SOFT!

And do you know what? If we keep allowing this atrocity to take place, then China is right - we ARE too soft because we're not doing anything to stop these preparations for our own demise. It's like our next door neighbors pointing guns, cannons, bazookas, missiles and bombs at our houses; and we just sit there watching it happen, wondering, "I wonder if they're going to attack us?"

Well we're damn right they're going to lay siege upon us, and if something isn't done to stop it, who is ultimately to blame? We are, for letting it all happen.