President Bush War on Terrorists? Well for Some..

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:24 am

Sinn Fein receive a warm welcome in the United States.

Just as the weather in Washington finally began to warm up after days of freezing and blizzard conditions Sinn Fein IRA found for itself a thaw in the political climate yesterday. After outlining a complete denial of any senior Sinn Fein IRA member's prior knowledge of the Northern Ireland, Bank raid in Belfast Gerry Kelly MLA said he was assured by the Whitehouse that his party can continue its lucrative fundraising in the United States. He was assured by Congressman Walsh, a Republican from upstate New York.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:35 am

And in London........

British Prime Minister Tony Blair will deliver a ''very,very straightforward'' message to Sinn Fein IRA's President Gerry Adams when he meets him in his country retreat in Chequers.

He is to tell Mr Adams and his colleagues to either get the IRA to give up violence and crime or the British government will have to look for another way forward without the armed group.

polycarp · Post by **polycarp** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:44 am

Hello Capt. May we live to see a day that the IRA and the Brittish government will come to a truce and a lasting peace ensues. This conflict is dragging too long and many innocent lives have been lost.

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:00 am

Tony Blur has never given any striaghtforward message yet, Capn we have all heard it so many times before, God knows I hope it works this time but I won't hold my breath. I heard Gerry the other week saying that there were still British "terrorists" in Northern Ireland, as usual he was referring to the British army, then the Reverend Ian (mad as cheese) Paisley gets up on his back legs and we start all over again. C'est la vie

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:22 pm

Bothwell wrote: Tony Blur has never given any striaghtforward message yet, Capn we have all heard it so many times before, God knows I hope it works this time but I won't hold my breath. I heard Gerry the other week saying that there were still British "terrorists" in Northern Ireland, as usual he was referring to the British army, then the Reverend Ian (mad as cheese) Paisley gets up on his back legs and we start all over again. C'est la vieWhen the British Government pull out of Northern Ireland, there will be still terrorists in Northern Ireland. The punishment shootings and beatings of children,some as young as 12 and 13 years old is not done by the British army

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:57 am

Gerry Kelly MLA said he was assured by the Whitehouse that his party can continue its lucrative fundraising in the United States. He was assured by Congressman Walsh, a Republican from upstate New York.

I see the IRA have now decided not to give up their weapons, coincidence do you think? When will it dawn on americans that the IRA are terrorists.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:12 pm

wenutu wrote: Not sure I'd be too keen on giving up arms if I lived in an occupied territory

I predict that when the British government pull out of Northern Ireland, lock,stock and smoking barrels that there will be an All Ireland civil war.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:36 pm

wenutu wrote: Unfortunately, I think you could be very close to the truth with that prediction. I certainly believe it will get worse before it gets better.And it will also spread to Britain.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:14 pm

wenutu wrote: Not sure I'd be too keen on giving up arms if I lived in an occupied territory

Occupied?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:09 am

gmc wrote: I see the IRA have now decided not to give up their weapons, coincidence do you think? When will it dawn on americans that the IRA are terrorists.

I don't think it will. However, further to capt_cuzzard's words:

capt_buzzard wrote: And in London........

British Prime Minister Tony Blair will deliver a ''very,very straightforward'' message to Sinn Fein IRA's President Gerry Adams when he meets him in his country retreat in Chequers.

He is to tell Mr Adams and his colleagues to either get the IRA to give up violence and crime or the British government will have to look for another way forward without the armed group.

It seems that the Irish Govt. are coming forward more in dealing with this:

TheTelegraph wrote: The Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, had stronger reasons than almost anybody for pretending that the IRA had nothing to do with it, and for preserving the fiction that the peace process still meant something. But even he felt compelled to declare unequivocally: "This was an IRA job, this was a Provisional IRA job. This was a job that would have been known to the political leadership."

And this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4227973.stm

From theBBC wrote: "Sinn Fein knew that the IRA was planning the Ã‚£26.5m Northern Bank raid and other robberies while holding key political talks, Bertie Ahern has said.

The Irish prime minister told the Dail that he learned this for the first time when he and Tony Blair were briefed by Belfast and Dublin police chiefs."

"Chief Constable Hugh Orde and Garda Commissioner Noel Conroy delivered their latest security assessment on Tuesday.

Mr Ahern said they told them "a number of operations that took place during 2004 - not just the Northern Bank robbery - were the work of the IRA, had sanction from the Army Council and would have been known to the political leadership of the IRA".

The taoiseach told the Irish parliament on Wednesday that the two governments were waiting for answers from republicans to the questions they posed on decommissioning, and on ending paramilitarism and criminality."

The last paragraph is particularly encouraging. Praise to the Irish parliament.

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:59 am

Wentu - Occupied ? where does that come from ? Northern Ireland last time I looked was part of the United Kingdom as is Wales and Scotland. As I understand it the UK government under international law can disperse it's troops within it's own borders as it sees fit, how can this be an occupation.

I know I will get all the hoary old arguments regarding this "Occupation" and frankly the use of history in these arguments tend to be picked to suit which side of the argument you are on, we can go back to Cromwell of even Edward II if you want . If you use this as a basis then what are all those Indians doing in OUR India or should we hand the UK back to the original saxon tribes.

The IRA has a vested monetary interest. I have no doubt that a lot of members of Sinn Fein/IRA are committed to the peace process, however some of them are making to good a living out of the chaos to give it up now.

As to the funding of the IRA by the USA, this has been going on for years and I have never understood it, I suspect that it is because the case against the IRA has never been put as forcefully to the US people as it has to us. In addition the huge majority of US citizens who claim Iraish ancestory are of the Catholic faith which would obviously draw them to the Sinn Fein/ IRA view.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:43 am

posted by Bothwell

As to the funding of the IRA by the USA, this has been going on for years and I have never understood it, I suspect that it is because the case against the IRA has never been put as forcefully to the US people as it has to us. In addition the huge majority of US citizens who claim Iraish ancestory are of the Catholic faith which would obviously draw them to the Sinn Fein/ IRA view.

Looking at some of the posts in other topic sections many of them seem to be completely unaware that eire is an independent nation and still think the British rule the whole of Ireland.

The catholic/ protestant thing seems to undergoing a revival or maybe it's because I am in an area where it is endemic. Ban religon on schools and give fundamentalists of all types their own island, clubs and not enough food and see if they can work to together as christians to get off the island.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:17 pm

Bill Sikes wrote: I don't think it will. However, further to capt_cuzzard's words:

It seems that the Irish Govt. are coming forward more in dealing with this:

And this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4227973.stm

The last paragraph is particularly encouraging. Praise to the Irish parliament.Thank you Bill. I don't always lend support to the www.fiannafail.ie led government,

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:38 pm

Bothwell wrote: Wentu - Occupied ? where does that come from ? Northern Ireland last time I looked was part of the United Kingdom as is Wales and Scotland. As I understand it the UK government under international law can disperse it's troops within it's own borders as it sees fit, how can this be an occupation.

I know I will get all the hoary old arguments regarding this "Occupation" and frankly the use of history in these arguments tend to be picked to suit which side of the argument you are on, we can go back to Cromwell of even Edward II if you want . If you use this as a basis then what are all those Indians doing in OUR India or should we hand the UK back to the original saxon tribes.

The IRA has a vested monetary interest. I have no doubt that a lot of members of Sinn Fein/IRA are committed to the peace process, however some of them are making to good a living out of the chaos to give it up now.

As to the funding of the IRA by the USA, this has been going on for years and I have never understood it, I suspect that it is because the case against the IRA has never been put as forcefully to the US people as it has to us. In addition the huge majority of US citizens who claim Iraish ancestory are of the Catholic faith which would obviously draw them to the Sinn Fein/ IRA view.And long may it remain part of the UK. Having that lot down here is not good for business at all.

Der Wulf · Post by **Der Wulf** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:27 pm

Bothwell wrote:

As to the funding of the IRA by the USA, this has been going on for years and I have never understood it, I suspect that it is because the case against the IRA has never been put as forcefully to the US people as it has to us. In additio n the huge majority of US citizens who claim Iraish ancestory are of the Catholic faith which would obviously draw them to the Sinn Fein/ IRA view.
I've read, and listened, by still don't consider my self informed enough about Ireland to have an intellegent opinion about the "trouble's". Or more accuratly, I can't really figure out WTF is with the IRA.

Anyhow, I'm hoping you will be more specific as to the source of funding & support coming from the US. Tis not from "us", but from disgruntled Irish, most of whom have a large persecution complex, and don't much like it here either.

I'm sure also that you've noticed that a lot of our congress persons are interested mainly in kissing ass in order to get re-elected, and will pander to whatever special interest that will support them. The US has never supported the IRA.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:01 am

not just the IRA

I've read, and listened, by still don't consider my self informed enough about Ireland to have an intellegent opinion about the "trouble's". Or more accuratly, I can't really figure out WTF is with the IRA.

You are not the only one Have a look at

http://www.inac.org/

http://members.lycos.co.uk/inac/

http://www.upmj.co.uk/attack.htm

http://www.upmj.co.uk/

Also if you want to know about protestant terrorism try.

http://www.upmj.co.uk/