AV property rights

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:41 pm

JAB wrote: On the contrary. It's after 7:30 on a Friday and I'm still at work - where's my props for using the word in a complete sentence at this late stage of the week? :rolleyes: :p

Im just happy your making complete sentences at all. :p

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:20 pm

Far Rider wrote: I have no idea what to say to this new line thats being taken on this thread.

Basco said it best, I should leave it go.

Nomad/Accountable if you felt that way "Far Rider" isnt that hard to type into PM.
Why would I? You said you're stepping out; you're stepping out. As I recall, you said it was for family reasons. You're one of the most stand-up guys I know. You need space; space is what I'll give you - exactly the same as I would give you support, backup, or a low-interest loan. If you ask for it, it's yours.

That you would do this is totally out of character for the man I know. I'm baffled by it. No one has answered why, yet. You don't want to say why? That's your right.

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:31 pm

disclaimer: i know there is A LOT going on that i know NOTHING about...and i haven't read all of the posts in this thread

that being stated...

you registerd as anastrophe *giggle*

Rapunzel · Post by **Rapunzel** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:05 pm

Accountable wrote: - exactly the same as I would give you support, backup, or a low-interest loan. If you ask for it, it's yours.

Complete digression here, but why would you charge interest on a loan to a friend?

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:17 pm

hotsauce wrote: disclaimer: i know there is A LOT going on that i know NOTHING about...and i haven't read all of the posts in this thread

that being stated...

you registerd as anastrophe *giggle*Finally, someone gets it! Hotsauce, you can share my last box of chocolates behind the bikesheds. NOBODY should be taking any of this seriously. Nobody has behaved in an unforgiveably underhand fashion, nobody has done anything that hasn't happened a thousand times in every school playground since time began. Playgrounds are where half of life's lessons are learned, and playing on FG is like going back to being twelve years old again getting another unmerited round of inconsequential fun. More consequence-free emotional ruckus happens here than any of us get outside in the real world. That's the irreplaceable value of the site, not harmony or cleverness or soul-bonding. Flippancy, children. You get ten minutes to run around screaming and then it's back to the classroom. Make the most of it.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:55 am

I've slept on it. I've PM'd Far.

I apologize for my part in blowing this out of proportion.

theia · Post by **theia** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:49 am

Accountable wrote: I've slept on it. I've PM'd Far.

I apologize for my part in blowing this out of proportion.

:-4

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:45 am

AC, you are the man!

And Floppy, you are the wisest one of all..........................

cars · Post by **cars** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:48 am

SnoozeControl wrote: I think everyone in here is a member but me. Oh, and Spot of course.

And me!:D

cars · Post by **cars** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:50 am

Bez wrote: 1. Not everyone here is a member of the aforementioned forum

2. As I said before, Spot was ill advised to use 'anastrophe' as his Av (& he knows it)

3. There is absolutely NO reason why belonging to multiple forums should cause bad feeling .....grow up people

4. Please show respect to Tombstone & Anastrophe who have worked hard to make FG the fantastic place it is and return FG to the vibrant place for discussion, fun and friendship that It once was and can continue to be if people would just grow up, respect each other and be responsible for their words and actions

AMEN!!:)

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:26 am

SnoozeControl wrote: I'm going to have to stop using absolutes. I know I'm exaggerating, but apparently its not obvious to everyone else in here.

Oops, I just did it again.:sneaky:

Britney ?

Post by **spot** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:29 am

Maxi_Uno wrote: Britney ?Nah, I had that Britney on my webcam the other week and she ain't a patch on our Snooze.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:45 am

SnoozeControl wrote: I'm going to have to stop using absolutes. I know I'm exaggerating, but apparently its not obvious to everyone else in here.

Oops, I just did it again.:sneaky:

How many times have I told you NEVER...absolutely NEVER say never ! :-5

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:50 am

cars wrote: And me!:D
I am not a member at MC either. I may check it out, I may not. No big deal either way.

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:53 pm

Clancy wrote: Nor me, but I'll say it again, I wish them well.

Nor me, I asked and I was told, geeze how long does this go on?:p

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:18 pm

Maxi_Uno wrote: Nor me, I asked and I was told, geeze how long does this go on?:p

so new, so sweet :-4

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:27 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: This is all about Spot wanting to be anastrophe. It's tragic, really. I feel great pity for the man.

Spot's more apostrophe than anastrophe :wah:

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:22 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: This is all about Spot wanting to be anastrophe. It's tragic, really. I feel great pity for the man.:)Which one? :-2

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:49 pm

Clancy wrote: The third spot on the left, Acc

....where it says, spot

*covers left eye*

Got it! Thanx.

Post by **spot** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:49 pm

Clancy wrote: ....he doesn't want to be dotty. He's being frank :)To some people it would seem I'm a blind spot. I put them on the spot by being a trouble spot, a pressure spot, the man on the spot, sometimes even a danger spot - to Blind Pew I was even the black spot, and look what happened to him. Others find a receptive spot, I've occasionally been a picnic spot, some people know me well enough to see a sweet spot, even a beauty spot or the excitement described by Doctor Ernest GrÃƒ¤fenberg (a talent spotter who found that X marks the spot). Is that enough to end the discussion, now?

Post by **spot** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:59 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: I really don't see the point.Pinhead.

Post by **spot** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:16 pm

Clancy wrote: ......and he thinks we're a bunch of ne'er do wells :)Unlike the leopard I can at least change mine. You're not so much ne'er do wells as cold spots, mould spots, runny rainspots. I remain the penalty spot for those who have goals in mind. God I'm tired, I've been configuring this blasted computer for twelve hours straight. Nice feel to it though. Ubuntu, gentlemen, is definitely the bees knees.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:44 pm

Who's Frank?

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:49 pm

Smart Aleck!!

;)

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:31 pm

Friends. Romans. Countrymen. I beseech you: lend me your ears.

paul now dons his wading boots, and slings a snorkel over his shoulder just in case.

i can't decide whether it's good, bad, or philadelphia that i've run across this thread at this late stage, where it appears to finally be lightening up and moving on. however, i know you've all been on pins and needles waiting to hear the words from on high, to know what your lugubrious co-head-gardener has to say on all this. or not.

my first inclination is simply to say "Crikey! She's a feisty crock, i'nt she!". But that wouldn't be right, so i won't.

okay, now i've gotten my own form of 'fluff' out of my system, so here goes.

i can't speak for tombstone on this. we've only *very* briefly discussed these matters. generally we don't need to discuss in depth - tombstone and i are as close as two unrelated people can be to being Brothers as is humanly possible, so a lot can go unsaid but still understood. by and large i think i can safely say though that we are in agreement on what i'm about to write (finally, i'm getting to it).

i see nothing at all wrong, unethical, immoral, shady, sneaky, underhanded, etc, about the creation and existence of madchatters, nor of the use of PM's to "enlist" (a lousy word for it in this context) users for madchatters. i think it's great, on a couple of different levels, not least of which is that it caused a bit of an epiphany for us, realizing how far out of control things had spiralled.

as others have said, nobody 'owns' forumgarden users. when you sign up for FG, there's no 'exclusivity' clause. fact is, many of the most prolific early forumgardeners came from other forums. they liked it here, so decided to set up the tent and make it home. which was and is very gratifying for us.

there are a LOT of forums out there on the net. a lot. in fact, there's probably tens of thousands of them. maybe hundreds of thousands of them. a great many are highly focused for specific interest groups, rather than general interest forums like FG. but still - we are not unique in the genre such as it is. here's a little something that might blow your minds, it blew mine when i ran across it:

http://rankings.big-boards.com/?p=all

check out some of the numbers there. gaia online is approaching two-thirds of a billion posts and nearly 4 million members. we haven't even reached one-third of a million posts, with 4 thousand members. we don't rank on the list - the bottom of this list is at half a million posts.

so forumgarden is just a tiny little watering hole on the internet.

i seem to have digressed, perish the thought.

i took pains to point out, in my one post over on madchatters, that i did not want to disrupt their place, nor interfere, nor create any trouble by pointing out that we were aware that some of our 'best' users had become disaffected, and wanted a 'safe' place elsewhere to congregate. my only intention ws to let them know that we've been feeling it too, and we wanted to change that disaffection.

tombstone and i could never be accused of being overbearing or meddling as moderators. our philosophy for the longest time has been to 'practice' benign neglect. we've always felt that it's best - in the main - for the community to manage itself. every post has the little 'report this post' thingie, so if something seems beyond the pale, then users have recourse. we may not always act upon such reports - in fact, i'd say that only about a quarter of them are acted upon. part of that is simply that tombstone and i have Other Things To Do - FG is not our only endeavor.

on the other hand, we can certainly stand criticism for taking benign neglect too far. since we are people just like you - i know, shocker - we are also just as prone to being influenced unduly by factors that shouldn't in fairness have influence. favoritism? yes. not a good thing, but i think everyone is guilty of it in some form, fashion, or degree. coupled with neglect, it can - and did - make for a situation where a raging bull unfortunately went unyoked for too long, and what efforts we made in that pursuit were less than what should have been obviously demanded. that's our little failure that we get to live with.

i do seem to love the sound of my own keyboard tapping, don't i. so, where was this all going.....madchatters - http://www.madchatters.com for those of you scoring along at home - is a fine little forum. it's a place where some forumgardeners went to escape the oppressive state of the drama here at forumgarden, and who can blame them. what investment forumgardeners make here is of their own volition, and if the coffee starts tasting sour, well then you complain to management. when management says 'that's the coffee we always make, take it or leave it', well then you maybe go and make some of your own. or you skip the coffee and just stick around for the danish.

i seem to have lost my way again.

oh, one final thought - hopefully with some clarity - before i sum up this bit of rambling. we very definitely have in the past - and will continue to - smack down people who sign up for forumgarden, then post in a several threads about how they have this new nifty forum and why doesn't everybody come on over and try it out. we ban those folks, and delete their posts. forumgarden is built by forumgardeners, and people who come here only to say 'leave here' are not welcome. on the other hand, the 'madchatters' are not such 'dine and dash' folks. most, if not all, have invested heavily in forumgarden (of their own sweat equity i mean, of course, not financially). they're real forumgardeners. if one of them says 'we've started a little forum elsewhere, it has a different flavor from FG, if you'd like to check it out, here's where', then how could we object? likewise, if those same folks want to maintain some measure of privacy or exclusivity in their endeavor, then there's nothing wrong in PMing their fellow FGers and inviting them. i'd characterize that as being discreet, not sneaky.

now i'm tired of hearing my own typing.

the end.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:03 am

Now theres the REAL troublemaker !

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:13 am

Yeh. Geez it was all over and here he comes, stirring it up again. :rolleyes:

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:17 am

anastrophe wrote:

here's a little something that might blow your minds, it blew mine when i ran across it:

http://rankings.big-boards.com/?p=all

check out some of the numbers there. gaia online is approaching two-thirds of a billion posts and nearly 4 million members. we haven't even reached one-third of a million posts, with 4 thousand members. we don't rank on the list - the bottom of this list is at half a million posts.

I checked it out. The Clay Aiken fan club is bigger than FG?!?

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:29 am

*Applauds Paul*

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:45 am

Peg wrote: *Applauds Paul*

Dont encourage him Peg !

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:51 am

Gimme back my dollar!