Are you a true American?

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:05 pm

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under God." what does this have to do with being a true American?

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in publicplaces. Why does this make people that do less than American?

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival." What difference does it make? Less American. I think not

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head when someone prays. I wasn't aware that only Americans did that or had to do that to be American

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place your hand over your heart when play the National Anthem. How about if you just stand......LOL, still this doesn't make you any less of an American if you don't.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam vets with great respect, and always have. What that has to do with being American,I don't know, what about all other Veterans? How about treat all veterns and people with respect? still has nothing to do with being a true American

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned an American flag. Still makes you no less a True American if you do. (maybe not too popular)

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter who is listening. That is what I Am trying to do Do even though this is crap article that proves nothing.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your elders and expect your kids to do the same. ????

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last dollar to a friend. This makes you a true American?

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:06 pm

K.Snyder wrote: First of all, your first post was insulting when you quoted her original post and laughed at it.

Secondly, these quotes not only insult her intelligence, but questions her patriotism for her country.

If calling someones thread stupid isnt bashing I dont know what is.
:p o please!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:08 pm

Maxi_Uno wrote: :p o please!

What makes you think your opinions are better than everyone elses???

Are you Gods gift to clown spit, or do you just generally insult peoples integrity and come back with phrases like "O Please!"??

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:09 pm

K.Snyder wrote: First of all, your first post was insulting when you quoted her original post and laughed at it.

Secondly, these quotes not only insult her intelligence, but questions her patriotism for her country.

If calling someones thread stupid isnt bashing I dont know what is.

Putting things in correct context helps:p you might try it.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:26 pm

Maxi_Uno wrote: Putting things in correct context helps:p you might try it.

Dont patronize me Maxi, Ive knocked peoples blocks off for less. And dont insult my intelligence either. You seem very egotistical, and quite frankly its an ugly attribute.

Morale of the story is, dont bash someones opinions and pass off your own as being the better one. Or do you not understand the freedom of speech? Freedom of speech works both ways, meaning you dont have the right to bash someones opinion, so in retrospect you shouldnt have even bothered posting if you didnt agree with it.

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:28 pm

K.Snyder wrote: Dont patronize me Maxi, Ive knocked peoples blocks off for less. And dont insult my intelligence either. You seem very egotistical, and quite frankly its an ugly attribute.

Morale of the story is, dont bash someones opinions and pass off your own as being the better one. Or do you not understand the freedom of speech. Freedom of speech works both ways, meaning you dont have the right to bash someones opinion, so in retrospect you shouldnt have even bothered posting.

gordonartist · Post by **gordonartist** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:31 pm

With respect there is a difference between being an American citizen and being a citizen of the USA. An American is anyone living between the Tierra Del Fuego and Greenland and the arctic wastes. Most Americans are not citizens of the USA.

There are other countries that are as freedom loving etc etc as the USA.

There are other countries that are governed with Christian principals and take care of the weak and poor and old and sick as Christians are supposed to do.

There are other countries that have every right to be proud of their country besides the citizens of the USA.

There are other countries that have a right to be proud of their support for peace and prosperity for all peoples.

To USA citizens, be proud of your nation, but be respectful of others.

Fight between yourselves if you must, but not on international forums.

Gordon.

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:35 pm

gordonartist wrote: With respect there is a difference between being an American citizen and being a citizen of the USA. An American is anyone living between the Tierra Del Fuego and Greenland and the arctic wastes. Most Americans are not citizens of the USA.

There are other countries that are as freedom loving etc etc as the USA.

There are other countries that are governed with Christian principals and take care of the weak and poor and old and sick as Christians are supposed to do.

There are other countries that have every right to be proud of their country besides the citizens of the USA.

There are other countries that have a right to be proud of their support for peace and prosperity for all peoples.

To USA citizens, be proud of your nation, but be respectful of others.

Fight between yourselves if you must, but not on international forums.

Gordon.

I'm not fighting. And you bring up a good point about being American and being an American citizen.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:42 pm

gordonartist wrote: With respect there is a difference between being an American citizen and being a citizen of the USA. An American is anyone living between the Tierra Del Fuego and Greenland and the arctic wastes. Most Americans are not citizens of the USA.

There are other countries that are as freedom loving etc etc as the USA.

There are other countries that are governed with Christian principals and take care of the weak and poor and old and sick as Christians are supposed to do.

There are other countries that have every right to be proud of their country besides the citizens of the USA.

There are other countries that have a right to be proud of their support for peace and prosperity for all peoples.

To USA citizens, be proud of your nation, but be respectful of others.

Fight between yourselves if you must, but not on international forums.

Gordon.

Good for them.

But do they not call themselves after the name of their country?

Or do they call themselves Earthlings?? Oh wait we might offend the Marshins. Uh, no cause they shouldnt call themselves Marshins cause they might offend us Earthlings. Nope, viscous circle.

gordonartist · Post by **gordonartist** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:02 pm

With respects the last time I looked the name of the country we are discussing it was the United States of America. When did it become just America?

I've just counted 58 posts by 12 members of which only 2 represented the rest of the world.

Two of the members posted 34 posts between them, one posted 5 posts.

The remaining 9 members tried to bring some reason into the debate but were castigated with vigour.

To the 10 USA posters, I suggest that you try to assess the difference betwen jingoism and patriotism. It might also help if a couple of posters were not so confrontional and more reasonable and polite.

Take care,

Gordon.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:22 am

gordonartist wrote: With respects the last time I looked the name of the country we are discussing it was the United States of America. When did it become just America?

I've just counted 58 posts by 12 members of which only 2 represented the rest of the world.

Two of the members posted 34 posts between them, one posted 5 posts.

The remaining 9 members tried to bring some reason into the debate but were castigated with vigour.

To the 10 USA posters, I suggest that you try to assess the difference betwen jingoism and patriotism. It might also help if a couple of posters were not so confrontional and more reasonable and polite.

Take care,

Gordon.

In what way is this thread depicted as jingoism as opposed to patriotism? I would like to know how you think the people expressing their patriotism for their country(America - which is a widely used term describing the citizens of the United States - I dont know where you have been all your life.) are trying to convert foreign opinion to adhere with that of the post in this thread.

BR was just expressing her opinion of being an American, and was insulted by someone who tries to pass his/her opinion as being superior than everyone else's and proves to be rather arrogant. Which is hypocritical of the issue due to the fact that all of it is a matter of opinion.

No one pointed a gun to anyones head stating they must follow what was written in the original post in order to be a "True American, yet it seems people are threatened by this, which proves it is patriotism, rather than jingoism.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:41 am

Pinky wrote: I can`t say I do 2, 3 & 4 as I`m not a christian...but totally agree with the other ones. I was brought up to have respect for my elders and war vets etc. And I always do what I can to help a friend.Now i'm confused, i thought you were British?

gordonartist · Post by **gordonartist** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:55 am

According to my Websters New World Dictionary,

Americanism is attachment to America as a place or a way of life.

Synonyms are patriotism, nationalism, provincialism, isolationism, flag waving, chauvinism, jingoism, America for Americans, America first.

Gordon.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:04 am

Accountable wrote: Everything is simple at its core. :-6

Whoa ! What kind of Nazi, Commie, hippy freak, nuke em, this is the age of aquarius, Jonestown, save the seals slander is this ? :p

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:12 am

K.Snyder wrote: In what way is this thread depicted as jingoism as opposed to patriotism? I would like to know how you think the people expressing their patriotism for their country(America - which is a widely used term describing the citizens of the United States - I dont know where you have been all your life.) are trying to convert foreign opinion to adhere with that of the post in this thread.

BR was just expressing her opinion of being an American, and was insulted by someone who tries to pass his/her opinion as being superior than everyone else's and proves to be rather arrogant. Which is hypocritical of the issue due to the fact that all of it is a matter of opinion.

No one pointed a gun to anyones head stating they must follow what was written in the original post in order to be a "True American, yet it seems people are threatened by this, which proves it is patriotism, rather than jingoism.

I think you better re- read the whole thread again, I attacked no one, I was talking about "spam" mail. If Baby rider wants to take that as personal I cant stop her as for you talking about me insulting her original post is "boulderdash" she even states she didn't write it and I'm going have to quote Baby here about My saying what I believe (as she has stated on several occasion)

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:18 am

Maxi_Uno wrote: I think you better re- read the whole thread again, I attacked no one, I was talking about "spam" mail. If Baby rider wants to take that as personal I cant stop her as for you talking about me insulting her original post is "boulderdash" she even states she didn't write it and I'm going have to quote Baby here about My saying what I believe (as she has stated on several occasion)

Well, first off, what you have quoted me on here is what I aimed towards Gordon and his post talking about how he thought the thread was jingoistic.

And again I have told you, calling someones thread stupid directly insults the person who started it. What is your definition of attacked???

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:21 am

K.Snyder wrote: Well, first off, what you have quoted me on here is what I aimed towards Gordon and his post talking about how he thought the thread was jingoistic.

And again I have told you, calling someones thread stupid directly insults the person who started it. What is your definition of attacked???

In all fairness br did say maxi's reply was stupid. Lets not get too hung up on such an innocuous word.

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:26 am

K.Snyder wrote: Well, first off, what you have quoted me on here is what I aimed towards Gordon and his post talking about how he thought the thread was jingoistic.

And again I have told you, calling someones thread stupid directly insults the person who started it. What is your definition of attacked???

Read from post #9 down

Post by **spot** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:02 am

Maxi_Uno wrote: Read from post #9 downMaxi, this thread is quite simply not one in which you are showing yourself to advantage. Go to other threads and win the war, stop fighting this battle. It's a very simple process - avoid the "quote" and the "reply" button. You'll win far more friends that way than through this intransigent boorishness.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:51 am

spot wrote: Maxi, this thread is quite simply not one in which you are showing yourself to advantage. Go to other threads and win the war, stop fighting this battle. It's a very simple process - avoid the "quote" and the "reply" button. You'll win far more friends that way than through this intransigent boorishness.

Oh yeah Maxi, and dont forget to be sure to not call someones thread stupid on matters of opinion and not so vaguely pass your own opinions as being superior to everyone elses.

Laughing doesnt help either.

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:55 am

I won!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:57 am

Maxi_Uno wrote: I won!

What did you win?

Ego?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue May 09, 2006 4:13 am

Maxi_Uno wrote: I refuse to argue about that crap article.

Period
Liar.

Guys, don't you recognize this swizzle stick? Why fan the flames?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue May 09, 2006 4:13 am

Gordon, what would you call people from the USA, if not American? United Statesian?? :-2

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:26 am

Maxi_Uno wrote: You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under God." what does this have to do with being a true American?

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in publicplaces. Why does this make people that do less than American?

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival." What difference does it make? Less American. I think not

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head when someone prays. I wasn't aware that only Americans did that or had to do that to be American

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place your hand over your heart when play the National Anthem. How about if you just stand......LOL, still this doesn't make you any less of an American if you don't.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam vets with great respect, and always have. What that has to do with being American,I don't know, what about all other Veterans? How about treat all veterns and people with respect? still has nothing to do with being a true American

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned an American flag. Still makes you no less a True American if you do. (maybe not too popular)

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter who is listening. That is what I Am trying to do Do even though this is crap article that proves nothing.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your elders and expect your kids to do the same. ????

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last dollar to a friend. This makes you a true American?

I was online with this thread was first born, and thought about replying in somewhat of the above fashion because I think being an American is a lot more than what was posted. (Even though I have not the energy to make my own list)

Then I got to thinking BR's original post reminded me of the cutsey little emails you get from friends you rarely talk to anymore. You know....the ones that start out "you might be a true friend if....." or "you might be in love if......". The type of emails that just touch on a few aspects of the topic, just enough to make a slight point. Those usually touch a soft spot in someones heart and soul, which prompts them to "pass it on". That is what this reminds me of.

Then things got out of control as people start ripping words apart, and mixed with the jabs and sarcasm, turned out to be a crappy thread. I think our fore fathers would be rolling their eyes! Those were not BR's words, just a piece that she came across (or perhaps recieved via email) that inspired her and she passed it on.

There are bigger fish to fry than to tear apart a few written lines of one unknown author's pride.

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:57 am

SnoozeControl wrote: I get a lot of those chain emails that tell me I'm going to die in five days if I don't forward the message in 10 minutes.:-2

Those are the worst :-5

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:09 am

Accountable wrote: Gordon, what would you call people from the USA, if not American? United Statesian?? :-2

Unlucky, poor benighted souls deserving of all our sympathy and understanding?

:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

All together now "We arra Peepul"

cars · Post by **cars** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:36 am

SnoozeControl wrote: I get a lot of those chain emails that tell me I'm going to die in five days if I don't forward the message in 10 minutes.:-2
So what happened, did you?!:p :rolleyes: Did you die?:p

cars · Post by **cars** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:46 am

PsychoticDaisy wrote: I'm not by any means involving myself in all this drama.....just posting my views on this subject........

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under God." This does offend me, because not all of us believe in a "God."

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in publicplaces. This offends me for the same reason as above."

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival." Never really thought about this...to me Christmas is just a word.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head when someone prays. I don't.....again, because I'm an athiest.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place your hand over your heart whenthey play the National Anthem. I have done this

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam vets with great respect, and always have. Of course...but that's just being a good "human".

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned an American flag. Never had a reason to.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter who is listening. We still have freedom of speech...in most cases.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your elders and expect your kids to do the same. Again....this is just being a good human being, regardless of being an American.

You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last dollar to a friend. I'm not that generous...but I'd give it to my kids...

Honestly, I have seriously considered moving to Canada....there is not a whole lot to be proud of in America anymore.

Actually, that's one of the great things of being an American, you have the right to move as soon as you like to!:)

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:38 pm

PsychoticDaisy wrote: I'm not by any means involving myself in all this drama.....just posting my views on this subject........

Posting your views on the subject IS involving yourself. Sorry.

I cannot believe that this one little post, a forwarded email about taking pride in your country, has caused SO much BS.

I will continue to be proud to be American, and I will continue to post things like this that mean something to me, so all your petty bickering and lame argunments are falling on deaf ears. There is nothing wrong with being proud of my country, and I will continue to do so, regardless of who likes it and who doesn't.

SnoozeControl wrote:

Ah, its StupidCowboyTricks... I thought you looked familiar.

I thought the same thing, someone who argues just for the sake of arguing, not really saying anything of substance. Just blathering on about nothing.

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:48 pm

K.Snyder wrote: What makes you think your opinions are better than everyone elses???

Are you Gods gift to clown spit, or do you just generally insult peoples integrity and come back with phrases like "O Please!"??

Rather ironic sentiment coming from an individual who stated this in the "It's Never Boring" thread :

Im 24, and I have been drunk and have started my fair share of rowdiness. Although it mainly consisted of kicking the sh!t out of assholes who deserved it

R.B.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:51 pm

Richard Bell wrote: Rather ironic sentiment coming from an individual who stated this in the "It's Never Boring" thread :
And what does one have to do with the other?

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:06 pm

BabyRider wrote: And what does one have to do with the other?

Well, it seemed that Mr.(?) Snyder has his (?) nose out of joint over one person supposedly belittling another's opinion, yet he (?) seems to have very little trouble putting the boots to anybody that he (?) determines is an a$$hole, at least while he (?) is under the influence of alcohol.

R.B.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:09 pm

Richard Bell wrote: Well, it seemed that Mr.(?) Snyder has his (?) nose out of joint over one person supposedly belittling another's opinion, yet he (?) seems to have very little trouble putting the boots to anybody that he (?) determines is an a$$hole, at least while he (?) is under the influence of alcohol.

R.B.
Snyder is a young man, full of p!ss and vinegar, and, I suspect, a LOT of testosterone. He also happens to be a brawler. Doesn't make him a bad person, and it still does not explain what one has to do with the other.

I know a lot of guys who like to fight, it's just how they are. What that has to do with this is beyond me.

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:26 pm

BabyRider wrote: Snyder is a young man, full of p!ss and vinegar, and, I suspect, a LOT of testosterone. He also happens to be a brawler. Doesn't make him a bad person, and it still does not explain what one has to do with the other.

I know a lot of guys who like to fight, it's just how they are. What that has to do with this is beyond me.

If we take what he said at face value, he sometimes seems to appoint himself as judge, jury, and executioner when he's had a snootful. Yet, he gets annoyed when he perceives one person unfairly criticises another with mere words.

I think everybody's had the annoying experience of being called an "a$$hole" by a drunken lout, as we walk down a street, minding our own business. I hope none of us have had the same lout "kick the sh!t" out of us.

I know nothing of Mr. Snyder, except what he has implied on this forum. Let's imagine another young man (NOT Mr. Snyder) , full of p!ss and vinegar and testosterone and a seething hatred for blacks or gays or women or Asians or whomever...

Being an equal opportunity yobbo doesn't make a person any better, not in my book.

I'm not interested in picking on him, but I couldn't let the irony pass by.

R.B.

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:27 pm

Just wondering if I could have the last word in this thread :rolleyes:

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:30 pm

devist8me wrote: Just wondering if I could have the last word in this thread :rolleyes:

Not now !:p

R.B.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:36 pm

Richard Bell wrote: If we take what he said at face value, he sometimes seems to appoint himself as judge, jury, and executioner when he's had a snootful. Yet, he gets annoyed when he perceives one person unfairly criticises another with mere words.

I think everybody's had the annoying experience of being called an "a$$hole" by a drunken lout, as we walk down a street, minding our own business. I hope none of us have had the same lout "kick the sh!t" out of us.

I know nothing of Mr. Snyder, except what he has implied on this forum. Let's imagine another young man (NOT Mr. Snyder) , full of p!ss and vinegar and testosterone and a seething hatred for blacks or gays or women or Asians or whomever...

Being an equal opportunity yobbo doesn't make a person any better, not in my book.

I'm not interested in picking on him, but I couldn't let the irony pass by.

R.B.
So it's the irony that struck you. OK, that I can buy. However, I think you're making quite a stretch when you start talking about racially motivated attacks.

I've had the experience of being called an @$$hole and many other things by perfectly sober people, being drunk has nothing to do with anything, either.

This has gone so far off the deep end, it's not even worth commenting here anymore. People have taken a perfectly benign post and turned it into a war zone. It's absurd.

I said it before, several times, and I'll say it again here, one last time:

I will NOT be made to feel bad, silly, stupid, narrow-mided, prejudiced, racist or any other thing that has come up here because I am proud of my country. Period, end of sentence, next paragraph.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue May 09, 2006 4:38 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: You should never, ever speak in absolutes.

You should never say never ! Weve been through this.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:49 pm

Richard Bell wrote: If we take what he said at face value, he sometimes seems to appoint himself as judge, jury, and executioner when he's had a snootful. Yet, he gets annoyed when he perceives one person unfairly criticises another with mere words.

I think everybody's had the annoying experience of being called an "a$$hole" by a drunken lout, as we walk down a street, minding our own business. I hope none of us have had the same lout "kick the sh!t" out of us.

I know nothing of Mr. Snyder, except what he has implied on this forum. Let's imagine another young man (NOT Mr. Snyder) , full of p!ss and vinegar and testosterone and a seething hatred for blacks or gays or women or Asians or whomever...

Being an equal opportunity yobbo doesn't make a person any better, not in my book.

I'm not interested in picking on him, but I couldn't let the irony pass by.

R.B.

What Richard?

Give me a break.

I hate seeing people insult others by laughing at their thread and calling it stupid which, to me, is practically calling the person stupid. If you want to criticize me for fighting for what I believe in go ahead, but if you condone insults I would have no problem fn fighting you either.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:23 pm

BabyRider wrote: And what is wrong with being simplistic?

Absolutely nothing, BR. It just means that you have a well-defined sense of right and wrong. I loved the piece. It's somehow not cool anymore to show some pride in your country, or even to be "American."

Not for me, I agreed with everything you said, everything you meant, and everything you left unsaid.

good job.