Are you a true American?

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:26 pm

BabyRider wrote: I will NOT be made to feel bad, silly, stupid, narrow-mided, prejudiced, racist or any other thing that has come up here because I am proud of my country.

Well don't worry, BR, they can't do that in a million years unless you decide to let them. Showing that you are proud of what you are and your heritage made me feel good.

If that's old-fashioned and out-of-style, oh well.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:47 pm

Richard Bell wrote:

I think everybody's had the annoying experience of being called an "a$$hole" by a drunken lout, as we walk down a street, minding our own business. I hope none of us have had the same lout "kick the sh!t" out of us.

R.B.

If you had read all of my posts in that thread you would have known that I dont start fights, but rather will not back down from them when instigated the least little bit.

And I would like to know how you associate kicking the "sh!t" out of a "a$$holes" who deserved it, with racially motivated attacks??

Did you get beat up alot in school or something??

Theres a difference between preemptive fighting and blatant aggression.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:32 am

PsychoticDaisy wrote: Uh...ok....if you didn't want a response to your thread, you wouldn't have wasted your time posting it. But in case you didn't notice...I only stated my views on the piece you posted...I didn't involve myself in the childish bickering. Now I remember why I left this forum before. Ya'll suck.

Uhh...ok, I did want response to my post, what I didn't expect was to have sticks poked at me. You can't say, "I don't want to be involved," and then reply...that's getting involved. Is that a complicated concept??

If we all suck, then why are you wasting your time being here at all?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:34 am

Jives wrote: Well don't worry, BR, they can't do that in a million years unless you decide to let them. Showing that you are proud of what you are and your heritage made me feel good.

If that's old-fashioned and out-of-style, oh well.

I don't let them. Like I said to the ego-maniac Maxi, no one here has that kind of power over me.

And you're right, it does seem to be passe' and old-fashioned to be proud to be American, and that's a huge portion of what is wrong with this world. Do I care if it's old-fashioned? Not even a little bit.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:10 am

Wow! Never expected this thread to stir up so much controversy. I'm a true American and darn proud of it. Anyone that doesn't like it can kiss my

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:50 am

BabyRider wrote: I don't let them. Like I said to the ego-maniac Maxi, no one here has that kind of power over me.

And you're right, it does seem to be passe' and old-fashioned to be proud to be American, and that's a huge portion of what is wrong with this world. Do I care if it's old-fashioned? Not even a little bit.

Ego Maniac? It's all about you HUN! Read your post.

Philadelphia Eagle · Post by **Philadelphia Eagle** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:51 am

Am I a true American?

Absolutely !

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:49 pm

Maxi_Uno wrote: Ego Maniac? It's all about you HUN! Read your post.
You'll need to explain this one, my cryptic little sock puppet. Nice to see you back, SCT. :yh_eyerol

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:50 pm

Peg wrote: Wow! Never expected this thread to stir up so much controversy.
Kinda boggles the mind, doesn't it??

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:07 pm

Pinky wrote: God, this has grown since I last looked, and I`m sorry to see even more people have their own heads stuck up their

GET A LIFE!!!!!

STOP TRYING TO P**S PEOPLE OFF!

Is it just because their own lives are that dull and bloody boring that this is the only amusement they can get?

Have they got chips on their shoulders? (whole frying pan full more like)

For one, to say "Ya`ll suck" is childish in the exteme, and lets face it, anyone who deliberately sets out to wind someone else up or upset the balance of a generally friendly forum is, well...a bit sad really!

Go out and get some friends like normal people, then you might not feel the need to bring everyone down with your bitter twisted posts. And GROW UP!

Are you twelve, or has the psychiatric nurse that is usually in charge of you gone off for a fag break again?
:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

Priceless.....totally priceless. Geeze, Pink, you are just like me. You crack me up. "The psychiatric nurse...." too damn funny....:yh_bigsmi

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:17 pm

Pinky wrote: Glad someone likes my witticisms, hehe!:D
That's EXACTLY like something I would say.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:34 am

Gee whiz, BR! Toss a pebble down a hill and start and avalanche!

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:40 am

gmc wrote: Unlucky, poor benighted souls deserving of all our sympathy and understanding?

:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

All together now "We arra Peepul"I'd naturally assumed that Gordon had responded with this, and boy did it raise my hackles! (look it up)

I tried to let it go, then went back to respond, when I saw it was you, gmc. Sarcastic prat. :wah: I could see you & me having a grand time sitting in the back of any given classroom, whispering cracks about the teacher. :p

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:28 am

Pinky wrote:

For one, to say "Ya`ll suck" is childish in the exteme, and lets face it, anyone who deliberately sets out to wind someone else up or upset the balance of a generally friendly forum is, well...a bit sad really!

Go out and get some friends like normal people, then you might not feel the need to bring everyone down with your bitter twisted posts. And GROW UP!

Are you twelve, or has the psychiatric nurse that is usually in charge of you gone off for a fag break again?

Not only is "ya'll suck" comments childish, but all the sarcasm and name-calling in this thread as well. Makes the whole thread turn insignificant and unimportant. Stop slinging it folks.

jbbarker1947 · Post by **jbbarker1947** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:50 am

American by choice

Texan by the grace of God

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:45 am

jbbarker1947 wrote: American by choice

Texan by the grace of God

I just wore my bro's t-shirt yesterday...

AMERICAN BY BIRTH

MARINE BY CHOICE

:-4

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:51 am

American by birth...

and damned happy to be one!:D

(Hey, think about it, you could have been born Ugandan);)

jbbarker1947 · Post by **jbbarker1947** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:52 am

SnoozeControl wrote: Alright, that's completely uncalled for!

I should have incuded a smiley with that one.

jbbarker1947 · Post by **jbbarker1947** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:57 am

Jives wrote: American by birth...

and damned happy to be one!:D

(Hey, think about it, you could have been born Ugandan);)

Texas chose to join the United States. It was a wise and easy decision. We were still at war with Mexico and broke.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:31 pm

I think Texas should be its own country. Maybe Dick will take Don and George next time he goes huntin' thar!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:55 pm

jbbarker1947 wrote: American by choice

Texan by the grace of God
Now THAT'S the kind of thing I like to see!! :yh_bigsmi

Welcome to FG, JB!! :yh_peace

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:07 pm

jbbarker1947 wrote: Texas chose to join the United States. It was a wise and easy decision. We were still at war with Mexico and broke.

lol. What what I can tell, Mexico is trying to recolonize and reconquer your state and mine, New Mexico.:wah:

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:51 pm

And I would like to know how you associate kicking the "sh!t" out of a "a$$holes" who deserved it, with racially motivated attacks??

There are a lot of deluded people out there who would physically attack somebody because they are "different".

Here's the perfect example:

Message from SS-GrupenfÃ…¸hrer Heydrich to all State Police Main Offices and Field Offices, November 10 1938 (before Kristallnacht, the "night of broken glass," the first large scale pogrom against the Jews).

Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. III, p. 545-547.

Regards: Measures against Jews tonight.

a) Only such measures may be taken which do not jeopardize German life or property (for instance, burning of synagogues only if there is no danger of fires for the neighbourhoods).

b) Business establishments and homes of Jews may be destroyed but not looted. The police have been instructed to supervise the execution of these directives and to arrest looters.

c) In Business streets special care is to be taken that non-Jewish establishments will be safeguarded at all cost against damage.

.

As soon as the events of this night permit the use of the designated officers, as many Jews, particularly wealthy ones, as the local jails will hold, are to be arrested in all districts. Initially only healthy male Jews, not too old, are to be arrested. After the arrests have been carried out the appropriate concentration camp is to be contacted immediately with a view to a quick transfer of the Jews to the camps....

I would like to emphasize that I don't think of you as any sort of racist or bigot, and I'm not associating you with any of that way of thinking or behaviour. I'm merely pointing out what can happen when one group decides another group needs to be put in their place.

Did you get beat up alot in school or something??

Not at all ! I had the rare pleasure of being the biggest and one of the smartest kids in the school. I was never bullied, nor did I engage in bully behaviour.

Theres a difference between preemptive fighting and blatant aggression.

Ahh, yes ! The deadly art of Llap-Goch !!:D

WHAT is LLAP-GOCH again?

It is an ANCIENT Welsh ART based on a BRILLIANTLY simple I-D-E-A, which is a SECRET. The best form of DEFENCE is ATTACK (Clausewitz) and the most VITAL element of ATTACK is SURPRISE (Oscar HAMMERstein). Therefore, the BEST way to protect yourself AGAINST any ASSAILANT is to ATTACK him before he attacks YOU... Or BETTER... BEFORE the THOUGHT of doing so has EVEN OCCURRED TO HIM!!! SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO RENDER YOUR ASSAILANT UNCONSCIOUS BEFORE he is EVEN aware of your very existence!

R.B.

jbbarker1947 · Post by **jbbarker1947** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:52 pm

Jives wrote: lol. What what I can tell, Mexico is trying to recolonize and reconquer your state and mine, New Mexico.:wah:

They may take it back without firing a shot.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:24 pm

Richard Bell wrote: There are a lot of deluded people out there who would physically attack somebody because they are "different".

Here's the perfect example:

Message from SS-GrupenfÃ…¸hrer Heydrich to all State Police Main Offices and Field Offices, November 10 1938 (before Kristallnacht, the "night of broken glass," the first large scale pogrom against the Jews).

Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. III, p. 545-547.

Regards: Measures against Jews tonight.

a) Only such measures may be taken which do not jeopardize German life or property (for instance, burning of synagogues only if there is no danger of fires for the neighbourhoods).

b) Business establishments and homes of Jews may be destroyed but not looted. The police have been instructed to supervise the execution of these directives and to arrest looters.

c) In Business streets special care is to be taken that non-Jewish establishments will be safeguarded at all cost against damage.

.

As soon as the events of this night permit the use of the designated officers, as many Jews, particularly wealthy ones, as the local jails will hold, are to be arrested in all districts. Initially only healthy male Jews, not too old, are to be arrested. After the arrests have been carried out the appropriate concentration camp is to be contacted immediately with a view to a quick transfer of the Jews to the camps....

I would like to emphasize that I don't think of you as any sort of racist or bigot, and I'm not associating you with any of that way of thinking or behaviour. I'm merely pointing out what can happen when one group decides another group needs to be put in their place. Very well, but I also would like to point out that there is a difference between the belligerent idiot and someone who stands up for what he believes in.

Not at all ! I had the rare pleasure of being the biggest and one of the smartest kids in the school. I was never bullied, nor did I engage in bully behaviour. Good for you, but some of those that are not big and intimidating are more prone to bullying, therefore having to deal with more abuse, as well as having to deal with the problem differently as a direct result -the problem always being the aggressor, which can be confused as the person getting bullied being the aggressor as is with this case.

Ahh, yes ! The deadly art of Llap-Goch !!:D

R.B.

Im not doubting the fact that you really know what these things mean, I was just mearly making a point.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:29 pm

jbbarker1947 wrote: They may take it back without firing a shot.

No, but they will sure as hell take your jobs.:wah:

Marie5656 · Post by **Marie5656** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:45 pm

I am on both sides here. AThere needs to be room for all beliefs and ideas, whether we agree or not. I am not a religeous person, but I am far from offended by signs of faith..Saying Merry Christmas, or greetings of any holiday. The only minor thing I take issue with is a local "controversy" about an area store asking its employees to wish custmers "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" My feeling is this, yes I celebrate Christmas, but if the guy next to me is a stranger, why should I automatically assume he does too? Some religions do not celebrate holidays, some celebrate different ones. I do not feel offended if someone says Happy Holidays to me!

Also, the recent issues of the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish. So what? Am I offended ? NO! Do I speak Spanish? NO!! Many countries (including our neighbor to the north, Canada) sing thier anthems in more than one language. That is respecting that more than one language is spoken in that country.

In fact, English is not even the "official" language of the US. It is just more predomanently spoken.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:52 pm

'Kay...just the simple fact that English IS predominantly spoken here means that if you want to live here, SPEAK THE F-ING LANGUAGE.

All this PC crap about using "Happy Holidays" vs. "Merry Christmas" is BS. If someone is offended by the use of "Merry Christmas", then they need to get a life and dial down the sensibilities. It's a couple of words for crissakes. Do I give a tiny rat's ass if I offend the person next to me by saying Merry Christmas? Not even slightly. This is America, where freedom of speech is still in effect, last time I checked.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:57 pm

English is not the official language because there IS no official language.

That's like saying carrots aren't the official vegetable.

(For all you brussels sprouts fans, sorry, you don't got it either!)

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:39 pm

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith, becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:22 pm

:yh_clap

Now THERE was a president!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 15, 2006 3:31 am

valerie wrote:

(For all you brussels sprouts fans, sorry, you don't got it either!)

Yuk.

Worst veggie ever, im sorry.

Funny thing is, is that I used to hate spinach as a kid, but now..........

I LOVE IT!:wah:

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 15, 2006 3:46 am

I agree that people should respect other religions accompanied with what they celebrate. However, because the (overwhelming) majority of Americans celebrate Christmas, I dont believe anyone should be offended by being wished a "merry christams". It would be like going to a predominantly Islamic country and saying merry christmas. I respect that they have different beliefs and wouldnt be offended if they said(whatever it is they celebrate) to me. I would expect them to, its called courteousness. As long as their morale values are that or greater than mine, I could care less what they say to me, in fact I would be honored by them associating me with that of their good will related to what they are celebrating at the time.