Ok I have a question does anyone think that instead of suiting the people to environment the world governments need to do a bit of suiting the environment to the people? For example seeing that people come from different backgrounds and helping all individuals from all background to become what they want. Also helping to educate people in different ways not using the same system from everyone (because everyone is different).
Who agrees with the type of system described above and does anyone have any more ideas about how to go about it?
power to the individual
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Doesn’t work for me. I’m a devout believer in evolution both physical as well as social and also firmly believe that The Market in all things should be what decides what happens.
If one society is better than another then the better society should be left to thrive and the lesser e left to whatever happens. Likewise if one nation has superior technology then that nation should be left to succeed and others either catch up or fail.
People should it be helped beyond the provision of limited aid whilst they get over issues and if the issues are insurmountable then nature should be left to run its course. It’s worked for millions of years ad is the principle that saw man evolve from the ape. To tinker with what has worked so well in the past is stupidity incarnate.
If one society is better than another then the better society should be left to thrive and the lesser e left to whatever happens. Likewise if one nation has superior technology then that nation should be left to succeed and others either catch up or fail.
People should it be helped beyond the provision of limited aid whilst they get over issues and if the issues are insurmountable then nature should be left to run its course. It’s worked for millions of years ad is the principle that saw man evolve from the ape. To tinker with what has worked so well in the past is stupidity incarnate.
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I do not agree with that I think that individuals are all born differently and all have something to contribute. The system does n't let one group suceed over another because the other group is better it lets one group suceed because it is set up in the best possible way in terms of how those people think. For example education:
education at the moment suits people who learn in a certain way. The end result can be that some of the children come out of school feeling failures because they have n't learnt at the rate that the other children have. If schools for example where to include lessons that where suited to every style of learning more people would suceed. Also society in general tries to find what is normal and make everyone fit that if they tried to fit everyone in and not make them fit an established norm people would probably be much happier.
education at the moment suits people who learn in a certain way. The end result can be that some of the children come out of school feeling failures because they have n't learnt at the rate that the other children have. If schools for example where to include lessons that where suited to every style of learning more people would suceed. Also society in general tries to find what is normal and make everyone fit that if they tried to fit everyone in and not make them fit an established norm people would probably be much happier.
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I agree that children should have every opportunity to learn in the best way for each kid to bring each kid to his full potential, though I'm at a complete loss how to do that. But adults & society at large? I'm with Golem on this one.
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I do believe the farmers and ranchers have always done that. They had a need to caretake the land. I'll just call them environmentalists!
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
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Accountable wrote: I agree that children should have every opportunity to learn in the best way for each kid to bring each kid to his full potential, though I'm at a complete loss how to do that. But adults & society at large? I'm with Golem on this one.
Crap ACC - kids get to HS and it lost for parrents. Every parent tries to give their child this opportunity. Like I've said before......some of the most disrespectful kids as a sub are either the smartest or not and are trying to be leader of HS gangs.
The problem at the school I sub with is that 80% of the children speak NO English before Kindergarten. They speak an unwritten language called Keres.
Crap ACC - kids get to HS and it lost for parrents. Every parent tries to give their child this opportunity. Like I've said before......some of the most disrespectful kids as a sub are either the smartest or not and are trying to be leader of HS gangs.
The problem at the school I sub with is that 80% of the children speak NO English before Kindergarten. They speak an unwritten language called Keres.
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
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Granted everyone is different, but there has to be some boiler plate, copy cat, assembly line education and training to make society work. You can't have someone studying medicine, engineering, accounting, finance, etc. all doing there own thing with chaotic results. Society functions to a large degree on this conformity. Can you imagine a football team with each individual doing his thing without conforming to rules and plays? So, overall I disagree with you.
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Lon wrote: Granted everyone is different, but there has to be some boiler plate, copy cat, assembly line education and training to make society work. You can't have someone studying medicine, engineering, accounting, finance, etc. all doing there own thing with chaotic results. Society functions to a large degree on this conformity. Can you imagine a football team with each individual doing his thing without conforming to rules and plays? So, overall I disagree with you.
Geez. I've seen people be so stupid.
Can we have a clear thought?
Geez. I've seen people be so stupid.
Can we have a clear thought?
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
power to the individual
We all want to be able to be individuals pursuing our own interests, yet we also want to be a part of our community. If we worked purely from an individualistic perspective, it would be difficult to create a coherent social structure since everyone would be pursuing their own interests. Social structure would become dependent on those few individuals that actually had an interest in social structures. It goes without saying that each individual with an interest in a social structure would have their own ideas that would probably compete with the others.
If a society is to grow, some form of structure is required which is, by its very nature, structural in its perspective. The question is whether the structure serves the individuals or the individuals serve the structure.
A basic tribe would require a structure that would be overseen by a leader or a council. The rulers of old would have fought their way to leadership and are likely to rule selfishly. Thus, the tribesfolk would serve the rulers which is tantamount to the individuals serving the structure - Communism if you will.
The reverse where the rulers serve the people would create a high yield of conflicting interests that would serve nobody at all.
The answer is to find a broad middle ground. The aim should be to create and build a social structure that incorporates growth and flexibility along with individual freedom of expression and activity. Generally speaking, this is the basis for pluralism.
Pluralism focuses on institutions that represent individuals on the one hand while providing a variety of structures on the other. The structures become hierarchical in nature as the various institutions vie for their ground and win according to sheer numbers of representatives or net financial worth.
The flaw within pluralism is that centralisation creates a position of power for the institution. This robs the individual of the choice that is being sought in the first place and is a type of Communism.
The most workable form of pluralism works at the community level. Along with channels of communication with other communities, a rich and diverse culture can be fostered in this way.
If a society is to grow, some form of structure is required which is, by its very nature, structural in its perspective. The question is whether the structure serves the individuals or the individuals serve the structure.
A basic tribe would require a structure that would be overseen by a leader or a council. The rulers of old would have fought their way to leadership and are likely to rule selfishly. Thus, the tribesfolk would serve the rulers which is tantamount to the individuals serving the structure - Communism if you will.
The reverse where the rulers serve the people would create a high yield of conflicting interests that would serve nobody at all.
The answer is to find a broad middle ground. The aim should be to create and build a social structure that incorporates growth and flexibility along with individual freedom of expression and activity. Generally speaking, this is the basis for pluralism.
Pluralism focuses on institutions that represent individuals on the one hand while providing a variety of structures on the other. The structures become hierarchical in nature as the various institutions vie for their ground and win according to sheer numbers of representatives or net financial worth.
The flaw within pluralism is that centralisation creates a position of power for the institution. This robs the individual of the choice that is being sought in the first place and is a type of Communism.
The most workable form of pluralism works at the community level. Along with channels of communication with other communities, a rich and diverse culture can be fostered in this way.