the practice of piercing the flesh then pulling or hanging by pierced body parts is not a new custom. It has been a part of Hindu Culture in Southern India (Tamil Nadu) for thousands of years, nearly as long among the Sufi of the Middle East, and for hundreds of years as a part of religious ceremonies of Native Americans. It is, until recently, an alien and forbidden custom in mainstream Western Cultures. What useful purpose could this custom have? Why would anybody deliberately choose to “mutilate†their flesh and “suffer†thus? A huge conflict exists between Western Culture and those where such piercing rites are honored and encouraged
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I have never done any suspension but it's something I would do if given the chance... It's not just about pain, it is about the control of it, and it hurts less than people can actually think... Pain is just an information given to your brain by your nerve, after it is up to you to deal with it the way you want too... The best way is to be ale to enjoy pain and then it makes everyting much easier... It require also a lot of self-control... And It can be relaxing and enjoyable...
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I apolagize in advance for anyone I offend. Just my opinion.. and my son gets mad at me for my outlook. However in my opinion .. piercing has no place in our society. Piercing is a way for young people to gain attention. Or used to make " straight people feel uncomfortable. I am boggled by the concept of doing something so permanent and destructive. The presence of piercings will keep candidates from getting many main stream jobs. No employer in their right mind would hire a pierced candidate for baby sitting, or in any service fields in establishments with any class. We will always be a society that judges others by the physical presentation they make. And so, sadly, mutilated youth will be limited to habitating a class of their own. What will they do with those big gaping holes someday when the desire to mainstream kicks in? As for enjoying pain... again.. this often sends a message that emmotional problems are present. So, people who avoid pain, will defer from socializing with this group. But then, I guess that is the way the members want it.
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weeder wrote: I apolagize in advance for anyone I offend. Just my opinion.. and my son gets mad at me for my outlook. However in my opinion .. piercing has no place in our society. Piercing is a way for young people to gain attention. Or used to make " straight people feel uncomfortable. I am boggled by the concept of doing something so permanent and destructive. The presence of piercings will keep candidates from getting many main stream jobs. No employer in their right mind would hire a pierced candidate for baby sitting, or in any service fields in establishments with any class. We will always be a society that judges others by the physical presentation they make. And so, sadly, mutilated youth will be limited to habitating a class of their own. What will they do with those big gaping holes someday when the desire to mainstream kicks in? As for enjoying pain... again.. this often sends a message that emmotional problems are present. So, people who avoid pain, will defer from socializing with this group. But then, I guess that is the way the members want it.
SnoozeControl wrote: I know I keep using this expression, but ditto what Weeder said.
There's a reason our bodies feel pain, and we should do everything in our power to make it stop. You don't see animals flinging themselves onto barbed wire for the pleasure of it, do you?:-2
I have to say I am not offended but your view and knowledge about it seems really really low and you seem quite close minded as well...
I have tatto and piercing and I am director for a research and developement company and will be managing director of my own by the end of the year...
Piercing started more than 5,000 years ago, before today society even existed...
I agree that some young do get piercing for attention, but it's far from being a generality... To start with some people have piercings you would notice only if you see them naked, so don't think it's to draw attention at all...
As for not being able to socialize with groups that are not into piercings that completly bollocks, close minded peple might not socialize with people wearing piercings, but open minded ones that are not pierce would do... Frankly it is a good screening process in my opinion as personaly I wouldn't want close minded people as my friends...
90% of my friends are not pierced or tattoed and appreciate me for my personality and not for what I look like...
There is nothing worse than judging people by the way they look, there is much more in people that meet the eyes...
And there will always be people as you said who will judge on what you look like, but the number is becoming smaller everyday as oldest generation gets older and closer to death...
And for the pain part, it's not because you don't understand something that it make it wrong and your body is creating endorphin which is close to what morphin is, which can turn pain into pleasure...
Piercing are far from being that painful, really far from it, and suspension doesn't hurt much either, you just have the sensation of being pulled...
Animals can inflict themselves pain as well as some even commit suicide, but frankly comparing animals to humans is a non point anyway...
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SnoozeControl wrote: I know I keep using this expression, but ditto what Weeder said.
There's a reason our bodies feel pain, and we should do everything in our power to make it stop. You don't see animals flinging themselves onto barbed wire for the pleasure of it, do you?:-2
I have to say I am not offended but your view and knowledge about it seems really really low and you seem quite close minded as well...
I have tatto and piercing and I am director for a research and developement company and will be managing director of my own by the end of the year...
Piercing started more than 5,000 years ago, before today society even existed...
I agree that some young do get piercing for attention, but it's far from being a generality... To start with some people have piercings you would notice only if you see them naked, so don't think it's to draw attention at all...
As for not being able to socialize with groups that are not into piercings that completly bollocks, close minded peple might not socialize with people wearing piercings, but open minded ones that are not pierce would do... Frankly it is a good screening process in my opinion as personaly I wouldn't want close minded people as my friends...
90% of my friends are not pierced or tattoed and appreciate me for my personality and not for what I look like...
There is nothing worse than judging people by the way they look, there is much more in people that meet the eyes...
And there will always be people as you said who will judge on what you look like, but the number is becoming smaller everyday as oldest generation gets older and closer to death...
And for the pain part, it's not because you don't understand something that it make it wrong and your body is creating endorphin which is close to what morphin is, which can turn pain into pleasure...
Piercing are far from being that painful, really far from it, and suspension doesn't hurt much either, you just have the sensation of being pulled...
Animals can inflict themselves pain as well as some even commit suicide, but frankly comparing animals to humans is a non point anyway...
BDSM info and psychology...
A brief history of body piercing...
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Good post Madman 
Let me just say, if you carry on pinching my scores in the arcade
your endorphines will be kicking in sooner than you think! :wah:
Let me just say, if you carry on pinching my scores in the arcade
your endorphines will be kicking in sooner than you think! :wah:
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just for a different perspective, why do we believe it's ok to pierce ears but not other body parts?
my ears were pierced when I was 2 months old. I would never have chosen to have anything pierced on my body including my ears!
My feeling, as with most things is to each their own! :-6
my ears were pierced when I was 2 months old. I would never have chosen to have anything pierced on my body including my ears!
My feeling, as with most things is to each their own! :-6
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abbey wrote: Good post Madman
Let me just say, if you carry on pinching my scores in the arcade
your endorphines will be kicking in sooner than you think! :wah:
:wah: :wah:
Let me just say, if you carry on pinching my scores in the arcade
your endorphines will be kicking in sooner than you think! :wah:
:wah: :wah:
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I am with Sonny, it is a personal choice. And I don't believe these things are "attention grabbers" for the youth. Everyone has their own reasons. Not any different than choosing a red car over a black car. All part of what makes us individuals.
Nialistic, if you try the hangings I wanna hear all about it. No I would never try but would be interested to hear how difficult it would be to block the pain out.
Nialistic, if you try the hangings I wanna hear all about it. No I would never try but would be interested to hear how difficult it would be to block the pain out.
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minks wrote: Nialistic, if you try the hangings I wanna hear all about it. No I would never try but would be interested to hear how difficult it would be to block the pain out.
Will be sure to post my experience of it if I have the chance of trying it out...
Will be sure to post my experience of it if I have the chance of trying it out...
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nihilisticmadman wrote:
There is nothing worse than judging people by the way they look, there is much more in people that meet the eyes...
And there will always be people as you said who will judge on what you look like, but the number is becoming smaller everyday as oldest generation gets older and closer to death...
I have to agree with madman...piercings and tattoos do not stop me recruiting people provided they are not excessive....the reason i say excessive, is because we have many visitors from overseas where I work, and I have to be sensitive to their perceptions of the company and the people that work there.
I hope I can see past the so called 'perception of the 'norm' and find peoples talents, skills and personalities.
However....I would counsel anyone that is contemplating having 'excessive' tattoos or piercings, that they have to way up the fact that these things are permanent and the reality is that in most professsions and in some cultures they would be frowned upon....also, what seems OK when you're young may not seem such a good idea when you're old.
By the way madman....i am the older generation and I disagree that as us 'oldies' drop off the face of the earth, that attitudes will change..
As for hanging.....I can't think of any reason that I would want to inflict pain on myself, even in the pursuit of learning the art of 'pain blocking'...however as I know absolutely nothing on this subject this is only my personal feeling.
There is nothing worse than judging people by the way they look, there is much more in people that meet the eyes...
And there will always be people as you said who will judge on what you look like, but the number is becoming smaller everyday as oldest generation gets older and closer to death...
I have to agree with madman...piercings and tattoos do not stop me recruiting people provided they are not excessive....the reason i say excessive, is because we have many visitors from overseas where I work, and I have to be sensitive to their perceptions of the company and the people that work there.
I hope I can see past the so called 'perception of the 'norm' and find peoples talents, skills and personalities.
However....I would counsel anyone that is contemplating having 'excessive' tattoos or piercings, that they have to way up the fact that these things are permanent and the reality is that in most professsions and in some cultures they would be frowned upon....also, what seems OK when you're young may not seem such a good idea when you're old.
By the way madman....i am the older generation and I disagree that as us 'oldies' drop off the face of the earth, that attitudes will change..
As for hanging.....I can't think of any reason that I would want to inflict pain on myself, even in the pursuit of learning the art of 'pain blocking'...however as I know absolutely nothing on this subject this is only my personal feeling.
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For those who don't know, I'm a paramedic. I worked a non-injury accident once involving a 16 year old boy. Again, it was low impact type accident and no one was injured. As I walked up to him, I saw a bolt sticking out of his lip ....actually it was like between his lower lip and chin.
I asked, "did you get that from the accident?"
I thought it was funny but he just gave me a dirty look and said no.
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To each their own I suppose. It's not something I would do.
I asked, "did you get that from the accident?"
I thought it was funny but he just gave me a dirty look and said no.
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To each their own I suppose. It's not something I would do.
I probably posted that in an ambien trance-soryy
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BM (body modification) within reason is correct Bez. I must admit I am a tattoo show junky and one of the tat artists on the show is heavily tattoo'd. He stated one day.... "I regret the tattoo I got on my neck, it is far to visible" Smart man, because with long sleeves and long pants you would never know this man was covered in tattoos, non on his hands or feet, but his neck one shows.
And yes too Bez certain cultures refuse to accept BM. I know when I worked in recruitment for middle east companies, I was told under no circumstances should my tattoo on my back ever show. It was a demand. I obliged I can respect others.
And yes too Bez certain cultures refuse to accept BM. I know when I worked in recruitment for middle east companies, I was told under no circumstances should my tattoo on my back ever show. It was a demand. I obliged I can respect others.
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The thing wit tattoo is that you can have them removed now, note you could do it before yourself, but well it is a painful procedure...
And for piercing with moderation I agree, I used to have more, but never too many either... After for employment, it's sure that the guy below must have trouble finding work... Mind you when you are in the industry after you can still find work by doing shows...
Now that's a bit much...
And for piercing with moderation I agree, I used to have more, but never too many either... After for employment, it's sure that the guy below must have trouble finding work... Mind you when you are in the industry after you can still find work by doing shows...
Now that's a bit much...
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Good lord, I bet he works the freak show circuit OMG!!!!
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nihilisticmadman wrote: I have to say I am not offended but your view and knowledge about it seems really really low and you seem quite close minded as well...
I have tatto and piercing and I am director for a research and developement company and will be managing director of my own by the end of the year...
Piercing started more than 5,000 years ago, before today society even existed...
I agree that some young do get piercing for attention, but it's far from being a generality... To start with some people have piercings you would notice only if you see them naked, so don't think it's to draw attention at all...
As for not being able to socialize with groups that are not into piercings that completly bollocks, close minded peple might not socialize with people wearing piercings, but open minded ones that are not pierce would do... Frankly it is a good screening process in my opinion as personaly I wouldn't want close minded people as my friends...
90% of my friends are not pierced or tattoed and appreciate me for my personality and not for what I look like...
There is nothing worse than judging people by the way they look, there is much more in people that meet the eyes...
And there will always be people as you said who will judge on what you look like, but the number is becoming smaller everyday as oldest generation gets older and closer to death...
And for the pain part, it's not because you don't understand something that it make it wrong and your body is creating endorphin which is close to what morphin is, which can turn pain into pleasure...
Piercing are far from being that painful, really far from it, and suspension doesn't hurt much either, you just have the sensation of being pulled...
Animals can inflict themselves pain as well as some even commit suicide, but frankly comparing animals to humans is a non point anyway...
BDSM info and psychology...
A brief history of body piercing...
My experiencing knowledge of body piercing is small. My interest in the psychological motivation for the action, is actually quite broad. Far from being close minded.. I am and always have been an extrodinarily tolerant person. Most of my life has been spent in the company of artists, and I deliberately choose to spend my time with those individuals who walk to the tune of a nonconformist drummer. However, you have to enjoy the music. Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look. Endorphins are also generated in grossly obese humans when they eat.. which is why they continue to eat themselves into oblivion. The world is not more tolerant or accepting of body piercing. The population in general is quite over the shock of it. As you well know smoking has been a habit of humans for hundreads of years, and yet society is growing less tolerant of it day by day. I stand firm on my statement that most employers hiring for a position that requires dealing with service in an upscale enviorment would be hesitant to hire a candidate with " Visable " body piercings. When you own your own company, you will enjoy the freedom to look any way you choose. I must tell you that your comment about the older generation getting closer to death... is a flippant verbal indicator of a psyche that who does have a great tolerance for pain... or rather a numbness for feeling, as that remark was painful for me. With the demise of that " older generation" will also go a wealth of knowledge, talent,
insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride.
I have tatto and piercing and I am director for a research and developement company and will be managing director of my own by the end of the year...
Piercing started more than 5,000 years ago, before today society even existed...
I agree that some young do get piercing for attention, but it's far from being a generality... To start with some people have piercings you would notice only if you see them naked, so don't think it's to draw attention at all...
As for not being able to socialize with groups that are not into piercings that completly bollocks, close minded peple might not socialize with people wearing piercings, but open minded ones that are not pierce would do... Frankly it is a good screening process in my opinion as personaly I wouldn't want close minded people as my friends...
90% of my friends are not pierced or tattoed and appreciate me for my personality and not for what I look like...
There is nothing worse than judging people by the way they look, there is much more in people that meet the eyes...
And there will always be people as you said who will judge on what you look like, but the number is becoming smaller everyday as oldest generation gets older and closer to death...
And for the pain part, it's not because you don't understand something that it make it wrong and your body is creating endorphin which is close to what morphin is, which can turn pain into pleasure...
Piercing are far from being that painful, really far from it, and suspension doesn't hurt much either, you just have the sensation of being pulled...
Animals can inflict themselves pain as well as some even commit suicide, but frankly comparing animals to humans is a non point anyway...
BDSM info and psychology...
A brief history of body piercing...
My experiencing knowledge of body piercing is small. My interest in the psychological motivation for the action, is actually quite broad. Far from being close minded.. I am and always have been an extrodinarily tolerant person. Most of my life has been spent in the company of artists, and I deliberately choose to spend my time with those individuals who walk to the tune of a nonconformist drummer. However, you have to enjoy the music. Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look. Endorphins are also generated in grossly obese humans when they eat.. which is why they continue to eat themselves into oblivion. The world is not more tolerant or accepting of body piercing. The population in general is quite over the shock of it. As you well know smoking has been a habit of humans for hundreads of years, and yet society is growing less tolerant of it day by day. I stand firm on my statement that most employers hiring for a position that requires dealing with service in an upscale enviorment would be hesitant to hire a candidate with " Visable " body piercings. When you own your own company, you will enjoy the freedom to look any way you choose. I must tell you that your comment about the older generation getting closer to death... is a flippant verbal indicator of a psyche that who does have a great tolerance for pain... or rather a numbness for feeling, as that remark was painful for me. With the demise of that " older generation" will also go a wealth of knowledge, talent,
insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride.
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My family was totally conservative...as a teenager i was the only one out of 3 kids that rebelled ...it was the 60s after all....i was a 'kinda' beatnik, then a bit of a hippy and then went on to wear platform shoes and mini skirts much to my sister and mums chagrin. Unfortunately when I met my husband I allowed myself to be dragged into the world where you wore what your boyfriend liked and so on.
I'm not one for regretting the past, but how I wished I'd had the bottle to be a free spirit and been 'my self'.
I live near Brighton which has a really diverse bunch of citizens. i love to go there ...It's heartwarming and inspiring...in Brighton you can be whatever you want to be....I guess I'm drawn to these free spirits. My 2 sons are conservative beyond belief, but my daughter is like I aspired to be...a non-conformist.
I'm not one for regretting the past, but how I wished I'd had the bottle to be a free spirit and been 'my self'.
I live near Brighton which has a really diverse bunch of citizens. i love to go there ...It's heartwarming and inspiring...in Brighton you can be whatever you want to be....I guess I'm drawn to these free spirits. My 2 sons are conservative beyond belief, but my daughter is like I aspired to be...a non-conformist.
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weeder wrote: My experiencing knowledge of body piercing is small. My interest in the psychological motivation for the action, is actually quite broad. Far from being close minded.. I am and always have been an extrodinarily tolerant person. Most of my life has been spent in the company of artists, and I deliberately choose to spend my time with those individuals who walk to the tune of a nonconformist drummer. However, you have to enjoy the music. Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look. Endorphins are also generated in grossly obese humans when they eat.. which is why they continue to eat themselves into oblivion. The world is not more tolerant or accepting of body piercing. The population in general is quite over the shock of it. As you well know smoking has been a habit of humans for hundreads of years, and yet society is growing less tolerant of it day by day. I stand firm on my statement that most employers hiring for a position that requires dealing with service in an upscale enviorment would be hesitant to hire a candidate with " Visable " body piercings. When you own your own company, you will enjoy the freedom to look any way you choose. I must tell you that your comment about the older generation getting closer to death... is a flippant verbal indicator of a psyche that who does have a great tolerance for pain... or rather a numbness for feeling, as that remark was painful for me. With the demise of that " older generation" will also go a wealth of knowledge, talent,
insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride.
Well to start with, I didn't know your age before posting that comment regarding old generation, also frankly you are not what I would call old anyway and well, I was just stating a fact really, the older you get the closer you are to death... Not my saying but nature's one...
Sorry if it was painful to you, it was not meant to be at all, but well that's how life work and it is a fact that people from generation before than mine do not judge the same way we do which is absolutly natural as society keep evolving (in a good or bad way) and evolving fast...
And I have never said either that every single employer would go for someone with "visible" piercing or tattoo... Also I have never had a problem myself even for job with customer service and facing client at high level...
I have meet high level people because of my current job of director and everything has been fine most of the time, also I do not have my face cover in piercing, I have only my ears now and my tongue, the rest is not visible...
Andfor the close minded remark, I am sorry, but your first post was not really showing that you were quite tolerant of the way people look or alter their body...
We must live in a very different world, cos where I am people are quite accepting of body pircing and tattoo...
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weeder wrote: Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look.
If "making a determination" is not judging I don't know what is...
I have to say you must be quite good to be able to know why people have altered their look by just looking at them...
I agree however with you on the fact that as you grow old you gain in wealth of knowledge, talent, insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride...
insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride.
Well to start with, I didn't know your age before posting that comment regarding old generation, also frankly you are not what I would call old anyway and well, I was just stating a fact really, the older you get the closer you are to death... Not my saying but nature's one...
Sorry if it was painful to you, it was not meant to be at all, but well that's how life work and it is a fact that people from generation before than mine do not judge the same way we do which is absolutly natural as society keep evolving (in a good or bad way) and evolving fast...
And I have never said either that every single employer would go for someone with "visible" piercing or tattoo... Also I have never had a problem myself even for job with customer service and facing client at high level...
I have meet high level people because of my current job of director and everything has been fine most of the time, also I do not have my face cover in piercing, I have only my ears now and my tongue, the rest is not visible...
Andfor the close minded remark, I am sorry, but your first post was not really showing that you were quite tolerant of the way people look or alter their body...
We must live in a very different world, cos where I am people are quite accepting of body pircing and tattoo...
And for that bit...
weeder wrote: Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look.
If "making a determination" is not judging I don't know what is...
I have to say you must be quite good to be able to know why people have altered their look by just looking at them...
I agree however with you on the fact that as you grow old you gain in wealth of knowledge, talent, insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride...
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Bez wrote: My family was totally conservative...as a teenager i was the only one out of 3 kids that rebelled ...it was the 60s after all....i was a 'kinda' beatnik, then a bit of a hippy and then went on to wear platform shoes and mini skirts much to my sister and mums chagrin. Unfortunately when I met my husband I allowed myself to be dragged into the world where you wore what your boyfriend liked and so on.
I'm not one for regretting the past, but how I wished I'd had the bottle to be a free spirit and been 'my self'.
I live near Brighton which has a really diverse bunch of citizens. i love to go there ...It's heartwarming and inspiring...in Brighton you can be whatever you want to be....I guess I'm drawn to these free spirits. My 2 sons are conservative beyond belief, but my daughter is like I aspired to be...a non-conformist.
Amen to that Bez, I am so like that as well. After my divorce I have happily re-discovered myself and am loving it.
I'm not one for regretting the past, but how I wished I'd had the bottle to be a free spirit and been 'my self'.
I live near Brighton which has a really diverse bunch of citizens. i love to go there ...It's heartwarming and inspiring...in Brighton you can be whatever you want to be....I guess I'm drawn to these free spirits. My 2 sons are conservative beyond belief, but my daughter is like I aspired to be...a non-conformist.
Amen to that Bez, I am so like that as well. After my divorce I have happily re-discovered myself and am loving it.
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nihilisticmadman wrote: Well to start with, I didn't know your age before posting that comment regarding old generation, also frankly you are not what I would call old anyway and well, I was just stating a fact really, the older you get the closer you are to death... Not my saying but nature's one...
Sorry if it was painful to you, it was not meant to be at all, but well that's how life work and it is a fact that people from generation before than mine do not judge the same way we do which is absolutly natural as society keep evolving (in a good or bad way) and evolving fast...
And I have never said either that every single employer would go for someone with "visible" piercing or tattoo... Also I have never had a problem myself even for job with customer service and facing client at high level...
I have meet high level people because of my current job of director and everything has been fine most of the time, also I do not have my face cover in piercing, I have only my ears now and my tongue, the rest is not visible...
Andfor the close minded remark, I am sorry, but your first post was not really showing that you were quite tolerant of the way people look or alter their body...
We must live in a very different world, cos where I am people are quite accepting of body pircing and tattoo...
And for that bit...
If "making a determination" is not judging I don't know what is...
I have to say you must be quite good to be able to know why people have altered their look by just looking at them...
I agree however with you on the fact that as you grow old you gain in wealth of knowledge, talent, insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride...
Nicely put Nihil
Sorry if it was painful to you, it was not meant to be at all, but well that's how life work and it is a fact that people from generation before than mine do not judge the same way we do which is absolutly natural as society keep evolving (in a good or bad way) and evolving fast...
And I have never said either that every single employer would go for someone with "visible" piercing or tattoo... Also I have never had a problem myself even for job with customer service and facing client at high level...
I have meet high level people because of my current job of director and everything has been fine most of the time, also I do not have my face cover in piercing, I have only my ears now and my tongue, the rest is not visible...
Andfor the close minded remark, I am sorry, but your first post was not really showing that you were quite tolerant of the way people look or alter their body...
We must live in a very different world, cos where I am people are quite accepting of body pircing and tattoo...
And for that bit...
If "making a determination" is not judging I don't know what is...
I have to say you must be quite good to be able to know why people have altered their look by just looking at them...
I agree however with you on the fact that as you grow old you gain in wealth of knowledge, talent, insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride...
Nicely put Nihil
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Made a mistake and posted my post while I was editing it, well, here is what should have been post... Anyway I leave it here so you have both version...
weeder wrote: My experiencing knowledge of body piercing is small. My interest in the psychological motivation for the action, is actually quite broad. Far from being close minded.. I am and always have been an extrodinarily tolerant person. Most of my life has been spent in the company of artists, and I deliberately choose to spend my time with those individuals who walk to the tune of a nonconformist drummer. However, you have to enjoy the music. Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look. Endorphins are also generated in grossly obese humans when they eat.. which is why they continue to eat themselves into oblivion. The world is not more tolerant or accepting of body piercing. The population in general is quite over the shock of it. As you well know smoking has been a habit of humans for hundreads of years, and yet society is growing less tolerant of it day by day. I stand firm on my statement that most employers hiring for a position that requires dealing with service in an upscale enviorment would be hesitant to hire a candidate with " Visable " body piercings. When you own your own company, you will enjoy the freedom to look any way you choose. I must tell you that your comment about the older generation getting closer to death... is a flippant verbal indicator of a psyche that who does have a great tolerance for pain... or rather a numbness for feeling, as that remark was painful for me. With the demise of that " older generation" will also go a wealth of knowledge, talent,
insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride.
Well to start with, I didn't know your age before posting that comment regarding old generation, also frankly you are not what I would call old anyway and well, I was just stating a fact really, the older you get the closer you are to death... Not my saying but nature's one...
Sorry if it was painful to you, it was not meant to be at all, but well that's how life work and it is a fact that people from generation before mine do not judge the same way we do which is absolutly natural as society keep evolving (in a good or bad way) and evolving fast and therfor we haven't seen and lived the same things which make it nearly impossible to have the same view on the world...
And I have never said either that every single employer would go for someone with "visible" piercing or tattoo... Also I have never had a problem myself even for job with customer service and facing client at high level...
I have meet high level people because of my current job of director and everything has been perfectly fine everytime, also I do not have my face cover in piercings, I have only my ears now, my tongue and a visible tatto in my neck, but then again I might have met people that were judging for me and my knowledge of my work rather than the way I look...
And for the close minded remark, I am sorry, but your first post was not really showing that you were quite tolerant of the way people that alter their body...
Au contraire, like they say in my country, you were saying that piercings have no place in today society and that is a comment that show complete intolerance regarding people into body piercings...
Btw wearing hearing is modifying your body too and noone seems to have a trouble with that, a hole in your body is a hole in your body, the place it is change nothing...
We must live in a very different world, cos where I am people are quite accepting of body piercing and tattoos...
And for that bit...
weeder wrote: Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look.
If "making a determination" is not judging I don't know what is...
I have to say you must be quite good to be able to know why people have altered their look by just looking at them...
Here again there is more in people that meet the eye, I think it's quite arrogant to say you can determinate someone psychology on why they have alter their body by just looking at them...
Go check my pictures in the photos board and please make light for everyone on why I did alter my body...
I agree with you on the fact that as you grow old you gain in wealth of knowledge, talent, insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride...
However, growing old doesn't help in understanding youngest generation better at all...
weeder wrote: My experiencing knowledge of body piercing is small. My interest in the psychological motivation for the action, is actually quite broad. Far from being close minded.. I am and always have been an extrodinarily tolerant person. Most of my life has been spent in the company of artists, and I deliberately choose to spend my time with those individuals who walk to the tune of a nonconformist drummer. However, you have to enjoy the music. Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look. Endorphins are also generated in grossly obese humans when they eat.. which is why they continue to eat themselves into oblivion. The world is not more tolerant or accepting of body piercing. The population in general is quite over the shock of it. As you well know smoking has been a habit of humans for hundreads of years, and yet society is growing less tolerant of it day by day. I stand firm on my statement that most employers hiring for a position that requires dealing with service in an upscale enviorment would be hesitant to hire a candidate with " Visable " body piercings. When you own your own company, you will enjoy the freedom to look any way you choose. I must tell you that your comment about the older generation getting closer to death... is a flippant verbal indicator of a psyche that who does have a great tolerance for pain... or rather a numbness for feeling, as that remark was painful for me. With the demise of that " older generation" will also go a wealth of knowledge, talent,
insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride.
Well to start with, I didn't know your age before posting that comment regarding old generation, also frankly you are not what I would call old anyway and well, I was just stating a fact really, the older you get the closer you are to death... Not my saying but nature's one...
Sorry if it was painful to you, it was not meant to be at all, but well that's how life work and it is a fact that people from generation before mine do not judge the same way we do which is absolutly natural as society keep evolving (in a good or bad way) and evolving fast and therfor we haven't seen and lived the same things which make it nearly impossible to have the same view on the world...
And I have never said either that every single employer would go for someone with "visible" piercing or tattoo... Also I have never had a problem myself even for job with customer service and facing client at high level...
I have meet high level people because of my current job of director and everything has been perfectly fine everytime, also I do not have my face cover in piercings, I have only my ears now, my tongue and a visible tatto in my neck, but then again I might have met people that were judging for me and my knowledge of my work rather than the way I look...
And for the close minded remark, I am sorry, but your first post was not really showing that you were quite tolerant of the way people that alter their body...
Au contraire, like they say in my country, you were saying that piercings have no place in today society and that is a comment that show complete intolerance regarding people into body piercings...
Btw wearing hearing is modifying your body too and noone seems to have a trouble with that, a hole in your body is a hole in your body, the place it is change nothing...
We must live in a very different world, cos where I am people are quite accepting of body piercing and tattoos...
And for that bit...
weeder wrote: Feeling suspect of someone who is tatooed or pierced, is not judging them by how they " Look" It is making a determination regarding why they have "alterd" the way they look.
If "making a determination" is not judging I don't know what is...
I have to say you must be quite good to be able to know why people have altered their look by just looking at them...
Here again there is more in people that meet the eye, I think it's quite arrogant to say you can determinate someone psychology on why they have alter their body by just looking at them...
Go check my pictures in the photos board and please make light for everyone on why I did alter my body...
I agree with you on the fact that as you grow old you gain in wealth of knowledge, talent, insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride...
However, growing old doesn't help in understanding youngest generation better at all...
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However, growing old doesn't help in understanding youngest generation better at all...
however growing old should have taught us respect and tolerance by now.... and lets face it everyone of their own generations likely have faces some kind of judgement, come on oldies look at Elvis and his scandalous dance moves.....Yes each generation has had their share of shocks and those of us who are older should be able to look on to our younger generations and just smile and nod and remember we have been there and done that.
however growing old should have taught us respect and tolerance by now.... and lets face it everyone of their own generations likely have faces some kind of judgement, come on oldies look at Elvis and his scandalous dance moves.....Yes each generation has had their share of shocks and those of us who are older should be able to look on to our younger generations and just smile and nod and remember we have been there and done that.
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I just think that people with piercings, tattoos, dyed blue /red/ whatever hair, wacky clothes, loads of 'bling' etc are the extroverts of this world...sure they want to look different or follow a certain trend or fashion...i admire that in a person.
I'm no psychcolist and there probably are cases where extreme behaviour is down to some 'deep' , underlying problem, but I would imagine these were the minority.
I'm no psychcolist and there probably are cases where extreme behaviour is down to some 'deep' , underlying problem, but I would imagine these were the minority.
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nihilisticmadman wrote: Well to start with, I didn't know your age before posting that comment regarding old generation, also frankly you are not what I would call old anyway and well, I was just stating a fact really, the older you get the closer you are to death... Not my saying but nature's one...
Sorry if it was painful to you, it was not meant to be at all, but well that's how life work and it is a fact that people from generation before than mine do not judge the same way we do which is absolutly natural as society keep evolving (in a good or bad way) and evolving fast...
And I have never said either that every single employer would go for someone with "visible" piercing or tattoo... Also I have never had a problem myself even for job with customer service and facing client at high level...
I have meet high level people because of my current job of director and everything has been fine most of the time, also I do not have my face cover in piercing, I have only my ears now and my tongue, the rest is not visible...
Andfor the close minded remark, I am sorry, but your first post was not really showing that you were quite tolerant of the way people look or alter their body...
We must live in a very different world, cos where I am people are quite accepting of body pircing and tattoo...
And for that bit...
If "making a determination" is not judging I don't know what is...
I have to say you must be quite good to be able to know why people have altered their look by just looking at them...
I agree however with you on the fact that as you grow old you gain in wealth of knowledge, talent, insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride...This is good. You and I seem to be able to tactfully, and politely share our feelings on a subject we have very different outlooks on. So, Ill share with you. With my generation it was hair. Doesnt seem like a big deal now, but you cant imagine what an issue it was back then. I was basically thrown out of my home for dating a man with long hair. Then the big woop was men who pierced an ear. "WERE THEY QUEER?:) I was right on the band wagon. How dare anyone judge us by what we look like. Two years ago my youngest son brought home the most ravisingly beautiful young woman. Nose, eyebrows, lips, tongue, ringed and pierced. To me it spelled PROBLEM. I looked beyond it. I loved her to death. She is the mother of my beautiful grandson. About 6 weeks after he was born.. she changed her mind about being a mom. Dropped him off with her parents... took him away from my son... dyed her hair purple.. and left town.
The psychologists say.. " She doesnt feel anything " She particuarly doesnt feel anything for others. We are who we become because of life experiences. And your right. The sweetest person in the world... could be positively riddled with holes. ( Just a little humor there) We will see. Ill start checking out the personalities of a few more pierceees.
Sorry if it was painful to you, it was not meant to be at all, but well that's how life work and it is a fact that people from generation before than mine do not judge the same way we do which is absolutly natural as society keep evolving (in a good or bad way) and evolving fast...
And I have never said either that every single employer would go for someone with "visible" piercing or tattoo... Also I have never had a problem myself even for job with customer service and facing client at high level...
I have meet high level people because of my current job of director and everything has been fine most of the time, also I do not have my face cover in piercing, I have only my ears now and my tongue, the rest is not visible...
Andfor the close minded remark, I am sorry, but your first post was not really showing that you were quite tolerant of the way people look or alter their body...
We must live in a very different world, cos where I am people are quite accepting of body pircing and tattoo...
And for that bit...
If "making a determination" is not judging I don't know what is...
I have to say you must be quite good to be able to know why people have altered their look by just looking at them...
I agree however with you on the fact that as you grow old you gain in wealth of knowledge, talent, insight, stamina, and respect for values, loyalty, commitment, and pride...This is good. You and I seem to be able to tactfully, and politely share our feelings on a subject we have very different outlooks on. So, Ill share with you. With my generation it was hair. Doesnt seem like a big deal now, but you cant imagine what an issue it was back then. I was basically thrown out of my home for dating a man with long hair. Then the big woop was men who pierced an ear. "WERE THEY QUEER?:) I was right on the band wagon. How dare anyone judge us by what we look like. Two years ago my youngest son brought home the most ravisingly beautiful young woman. Nose, eyebrows, lips, tongue, ringed and pierced. To me it spelled PROBLEM. I looked beyond it. I loved her to death. She is the mother of my beautiful grandson. About 6 weeks after he was born.. she changed her mind about being a mom. Dropped him off with her parents... took him away from my son... dyed her hair purple.. and left town.
The psychologists say.. " She doesnt feel anything " She particuarly doesnt feel anything for others. We are who we become because of life experiences. And your right. The sweetest person in the world... could be positively riddled with holes. ( Just a little humor there) We will see. Ill start checking out the personalities of a few more pierceees.
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weeder wrote: This is good. You and I seem to be able to tactfully, and politely share our feelings on a subject we have very different outlooks on. So, Ill share with you. With my generation it was hair. Doesnt seem like a big deal now, but you cant imagine what an issue it was back then. I was basically thrown out of my home for dating a man with long hair. Then the big woop was men who pierced an ear. "WERE THEY QUEER?:) I was right on the band wagon. How dare anyone judge us by what we look like. Two years ago my youngest son brought home the most ravisingly beautiful young woman. Nose, eyebrows, lips, tongue, ringed and pierced. To me it spelled PROBLEM. I looked beyond it. I loved her to death. She is the mother of my beautiful grandson. About 6 weeks after he was born.. she changed her mind about being a mom. Dropped him off with her parents... took him away from my son... dyed her hair purple.. and left town.
The psychologists say.. " She doesnt feel anything " She particuarly doesnt feel anything for others. We are who we become because of life experiences. And your right. The sweetest person in the world... could be positively riddled with holes. ( Just a little humor there) We will see. Ill start checking out the personalities of a few more pierceees.
There are many 'conservative', innocuous looking people that have done the same as you sons ex weeder...
The psychologists say.. " She doesnt feel anything " She particuarly doesnt feel anything for others. We are who we become because of life experiences. And your right. The sweetest person in the world... could be positively riddled with holes. ( Just a little humor there) We will see. Ill start checking out the personalities of a few more pierceees.
There are many 'conservative', innocuous looking people that have done the same as you sons ex weeder...
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I will admit there are times where I catch my self staring at folks with lots of facial piercings. I stare not out of disgust, more awe I guess you can say. I think piercings and tattoes are just forms of self expression.
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weeder wrote: This is good. You and I seem to be able to tactfully, and politely share our feelings on a subject we have very different outlooks on. So, Ill share with you. With my generation it was hair. Doesnt seem like a big deal now, but you cant imagine what an issue it was back then. I was basically thrown out of my home for dating a man with long hair. Then the big woop was men who pierced an ear. "WERE THEY QUEER?:) I was right on the band wagon. How dare anyone judge us by what we look like. Two years ago my youngest son brought home the most ravisingly beautiful young woman. Nose, eyebrows, lips, tongue, ringed and pierced. To me it spelled PROBLEM. I looked beyond it. I loved her to death. She is the mother of my beautiful grandson. About 6 weeks after he was born.. she changed her mind about being a mom. Dropped him off with her parents... took him away from my son... dyed her hair purple.. and left town.
The psychologists say.. " She doesnt feel anything " She particuarly doesnt feel anything for others. We are who we become because of life experiences. And your right. The sweetest person in the world... could be positively riddled with holes. ( Just a little humor there) We will see. Ill start checking out the personalities of a few more pierceees.
Yes this is good, even if people don't not agree with my points of view or have different opinion I don't like to be insultuing or insulted (which is why I like it in here to be honest, an other forum I go some of my view made people insulted me)...
I respect every person opinion and belief even if they dffer from mines, it's great to be able to exchange opinion about different topics...
I am sorry your son had such a story, also do you think it might just have been due to the birth that she left, sometimes some woman can lose it a bit after giving birth or losing a baby...
My ex-wife which was not into piercing and stuff lost it after we lost our baby and the next morning woke a new person and left for no reason and without any explanation... On of my best friend ex-wife lost it completly after her second baby was born, and well long story short, my friends had to take away the kids and she went to jail for abusing her babies... And a friend of my grand-parents have a girl that left behind her husband and 2 kids for an other man and never looked back...
One thing I learn is that there is no guarantee about anything in life, there is no way of dong this, there is only way of getting by...
Life can be such a bitch sometimes...
The psychologists say.. " She doesnt feel anything " She particuarly doesnt feel anything for others. We are who we become because of life experiences. And your right. The sweetest person in the world... could be positively riddled with holes. ( Just a little humor there) We will see. Ill start checking out the personalities of a few more pierceees.
Yes this is good, even if people don't not agree with my points of view or have different opinion I don't like to be insultuing or insulted (which is why I like it in here to be honest, an other forum I go some of my view made people insulted me)...
I respect every person opinion and belief even if they dffer from mines, it's great to be able to exchange opinion about different topics...
I am sorry your son had such a story, also do you think it might just have been due to the birth that she left, sometimes some woman can lose it a bit after giving birth or losing a baby...
My ex-wife which was not into piercing and stuff lost it after we lost our baby and the next morning woke a new person and left for no reason and without any explanation... On of my best friend ex-wife lost it completly after her second baby was born, and well long story short, my friends had to take away the kids and she went to jail for abusing her babies... And a friend of my grand-parents have a girl that left behind her husband and 2 kids for an other man and never looked back...
One thing I learn is that there is no guarantee about anything in life, there is no way of dong this, there is only way of getting by...
Life can be such a bitch sometimes...
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SnoozeControl wrote: Nihi... I apologize if I said something that offended you, but the animal comment was meant seriously. We're all members of the animal kingdom and it's natural to avoid something that causes pain and injury. I can't imagine someone with a terminal illness enjoying the pain, can you? Although this wasn't mentioned, emotionally disturbed girls that repeatedly cut themselves is not a good thing, which strikes me as very similiar to giving yourself unnecessary pain.
Personally I don't give a rat's patooty about body jewelry or tatts, but the rest seemed way over the top... and yes, I admit I'm very narrow minded about having my skin punctured and then being suspended by hooks. Not my cup of tea at all.
No offense taken... I dnn't get offended that easy so tis all cool
And yes I agree we are all part of the aimals kingdom, but nature gave us the brain we have, so nature also gave to some humans the need or wish to hurt themselves or get and enjoy it... If it was that un-natural I think no one will do it...
Ad for terminal illness, those days most people would be under the influence of drugs and wouldn't feel the pain much...
And for girls or boys for that matter cutting themselves it is not good either, but it is not what body piercing is about, SH (Self-Harming) is a disorder and not something you choose to do for pleasure... But we are talking about body piercing, suspension and other alternatice lifestyle and not about SH...
Personally I don't give a rat's patooty about body jewelry or tatts, but the rest seemed way over the top... and yes, I admit I'm very narrow minded about having my skin punctured and then being suspended by hooks. Not my cup of tea at all.
No offense taken... I dnn't get offended that easy so tis all cool
And yes I agree we are all part of the aimals kingdom, but nature gave us the brain we have, so nature also gave to some humans the need or wish to hurt themselves or get and enjoy it... If it was that un-natural I think no one will do it...
Ad for terminal illness, those days most people would be under the influence of drugs and wouldn't feel the pain much...
And for girls or boys for that matter cutting themselves it is not good either, but it is not what body piercing is about, SH (Self-Harming) is a disorder and not something you choose to do for pleasure... But we are talking about body piercing, suspension and other alternatice lifestyle and not about SH...
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