A Scam???

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:23 pm

This post will not endear me to some of you, but I've got to say what's on my mind. How do you know that BR & Bullet aren't scamming you guys? What do you really know about any of us unless you have met us personally, know where we live, what we do etc.? My sincere apologies to BR & Bullet if the facts as stated by you BR are all true.

You think my handle is Lon and that I am 71 years old and if you have read my Blog and posts, you probably think you know quite a bit about me. What if I told you that it's all bullshit. That I am not Lon, not 71, and everything in my Blog is phony and that most of my posts are not true as well. I'm a born skeptic and take everything that I read on the Forum with a grain of salt in so far as personal information is concerned. Since joining FG I could have built a profile of a needy senior trying to exist on Social Security and occasionally eating dog food to suplement my meager diet. Over a period of months I could have concocted a sob story that might bring tears to your eyes and then go on with subltle hints for financial assistance. And the amazing thing-----many of you would have bought the story. Has the world gotten to the point where many do not have any real friends and are relagated to the the internet for love, affection, friendships and advice? Don't mis understand, FG is a super forum and there is much good info to digest, but when it come to personal stuff, BEWARE!!!!!

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:46 pm

Lon I see your point but on this one your are wrong BR is who she states period no BS from her on this at all.

Floppy has meet them both just a few weeks ago at their wedding reception. I'm very cautious about what I do on the internet as well. Setting up the donation link and paypal was my idea and Floppy BR had nothing to do with it at all. In fact she didn't want it to be done.

Know this their story is for real and they need help..:-6

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:29 pm

Lon wrote: This post will not endear me to some of you, but I've got to say what's on my mind. How do you know that BR & Bullet aren't scamming you guys? What do you really know about any of us unless you have met us personally, know where we live, what we do etc.? My sincere apologies to BR & Bullet if the facts as stated by you BR are all true.
You owe them that apology.

I'm BR's sister - real-life flesh-and-blood sister - and I can tell you that it's all true. Of course, if you're going to be a jerk about it (see above) you could say that I'm lying too. Same set of circumstances - you haven't met me, either; all you see is my words on the screen. So where does it end? I'm not lying - I really am her sister, and she really is going through what she's described.

She doesn't bullshit. I've known her all her life and she doesn't lie. There are other people on this forum whom I have met, and who will corroborate my story.

Just out of academic curiosity, what would convince you? There's all kinds of public records you could search. You have their names, you have information that can be used to verify this. But all you do is post wild speculation. Put up or shut up here. Do your own research. Figure it out. But don't you dare accuse people of stuff like this if you can't back it up - and you can't back this up, because your accusations are without foundation, and BR and Bullet are telling the truth.

You are way off base here. Baseless gossipy rumormongering solves nothing, and only serves to get people annoyed with you (I'm a good bit past annoyed).

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:50 pm

I can understand why you are upset Erinna since BR is your sister, but Lon is not accusing her of lying. He is just asking "what if". This is the internet. We have men posing as teen boys to meet teenage girls. We've been sucked in by a lie that tore this place apart. How can you be mad at Lon for being conscious?

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:56 pm

Erinna1112 wrote: You owe them that apology.

I'm BR's sister - real-life flesh-and-blood sister - and I can tell you that it's all true. Of course, if you're going to be a jerk about it (see above) you could say that I'm lying too. Same set of circumstances - you haven't met me, either; all you see is my words on the screen. So where does it end? I'm not lying - I really am her sister, and she really is going through what she's described.

She doesn't bullshit. I've known her all her life and she doesn't lie. There are other people on this forum whom I have met, and who will corroborate my story.

Just out of academic curiosity, what would convince you? There's all kinds of public records you could search. You have their names, you have information that can be used to verify this. But all you do is post wild speculation. Put up or shut up here. Do your own research. Figure it out. But don't you dare accuse people of stuff like this if you can't back it up - and you can't back this up, because your accusations are without foundation, and BR and Bullet are telling the truth.

You are way off base here. Baseless gossipy rumormongering solves nothing, and only serves to get people annoyed with you (I'm a good bit past annoyed).

-My apology was already contained in my post

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:58 pm

I worked with politicians for years and am as sceptical as anyone can possibly be. I have had a few doubts about one or two folk I have met in FG but not Baby Rider. She's tough as nails on the outside but inside she's soft and wounded. I hope this thread doesn't hurt her any more. She doesn't need that. I'll be sending what I can.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:17 am

Wow. I am at a loss as to what to say here. For a minute anyway.

I have been here at FG for going on 1 1/2 years. I have participated in every aspect I could, taken people who needed help under my wing, as best I could, offered help when and where I could, and received more support and understanding and unconditional love from the REAL people here than anyone can imagine.

Lon, I know you've always been a bit "detatched" when it comes to actually making friends on the net and here in FG, but your insinuations and your thinly veiled accusations are just about all I can take.

Like my sister said, all of what is going on in my neck of the woods is easily verifiable if you want to get off your ass and look into it, instead of raising totally false questions. I cannot believe you. If you don't want to help, I don't care, I wouldn't take a dime or a kind word from you now if you begged me.

Have you bothered to try and confirm any of what I've been telling you? No, you haven't.

You know what's really f-ed up? I had a lot of respect for you, and my respect is hard to earn. You just flushed that with one simple post. You can take your little "I'm saying what if" label, you can roll it up nice and tight, and cram it up your ass. I don't lie. I have no reason to lie.

In your post you have basically called me a liar, and a theif, the 2 things I despise most in this world. Even the insinuation of it, it is the same, to me, as saying it right to my face. I don't lie, and I don't steal, and I would NEVER take advantage of the good people here at FG who have never been anything but supportive and helpful to me.

So, screw you, Lon. You're mean, hurtful, spiteful, callous and WRONG.

Take your opinion and cram it where the sun don't shine. And when you're done with that, try looking into the situation. It's all very easily verified as most of it is a matter of public record. Maybe you should try that before you go around accusing people of lying and attempting to steal from their friends before you open your stupid mouth again.

What an a$$hole. :yh_loser

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:20 am

AussiePam wrote: I hope this thread doesn't hurt her any more.

This obnoxious, sanctimonious piece of crap doesn't have the power to hurt me anymore than I already have been.

But thanks for the sentiment Pam. :-4

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:03 am

You know....the more I consider and think about this thread, the more p!ssed off I'm getting.

What an elaborate story to weave, what an incredible amount of effort to put into trying to take advantage of people. This concept is totally foreign to me.

Do you know....I've worked in bars for going on 16 years. No matter what kind of safe-guards they have in place to prevent theft, I've been able to figure out ways around them all. And not once, ever, in 16 years have I ever stolen one red cent from my employers. Some places I've worked it would be the easiest thing in the world to pocket a TON of money, with no one being the wiser. I don't need money bad enough to do it. I prefer to earn my money honestly. I need to be able to look at myself in the mirror and know I'm an honest person.

Check out the Paypal account Lon. It's not like there's thousnds of dollars in it. There's the money that people who care about me can afford to give. And since we're on the subject of money, each person's donation is recorded. I know who has given what. I intend to repay what these people have donated when this whole mess is all done.

Goddam, you are a jerk. How dare you? How DARE you???

I may not be hurt by your heartlessness, but damn....you sure did make me angrier than I've been in a while.

You've just been added to the list of people from here I'd love to meet face-to-face....but for a wholly different reason. Shame on you.

Post by **spot** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:57 am

Lon, of all the people you could choose to pick as an example... that was a serious error of judgement. By all means raise the theoretical issue. For goodness' sake don't ever personalize it like that again. How can a possibly interesting thread ever be worth even the chance of hurting someone people here care about so much?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:13 am

One more thing for you to think about Lon, if you can manage it: Not only did you accuse me of being a liar, a thief and having underhanded motives, you have called each and every member here stupid.

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:11 am

BR, you are as real as they come. At least in my book.

And just about everyone's else's, too.

Don't ever let anyone or anything take you off this path of righting a wrong.

EVER!

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:10 am

Peg wrote: I can understand why you are upset Erinna since BR is your sister, but Lon is not accusing her of lying. He is just asking "what if". This is the internet. We have men posing as teen boys to meet teenage girls. We've been sucked in by a lie that tore this place apart. How can you be mad at Lon for being conscious?
Bullshit. He is accusing her of deceptive thievery. All the "what if" in the world in that post doesn't disguise it. And it's very easy to be mad at someone for accusing someone in my family of that.

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:11 am

Lon wrote: -My apology was already contained in my post
No, it was not. A weak, qualified "oh, gee, oops if you're telling the truth" is a far cry from an apology.

You still owe it to them.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:30 am

FG is a public forum and unless one reads every single post on every single topic it's impossible to know who is married to who and who is the sister, brother or grandad of whomever. Many posters treat a forum as if it was private email and go on and on about private matters and though it's their right to post what they choose, it's this discussion of private matters in a public forum that disturbs me. What is the difference between a first time poster spamming with an offer of miracle food supplements and a seasoned poster using a public forum to suggest using PAY PAL to aid a fellow member?

BR---I fully expected your wrath. I have appreciated our previous cordial communication and can understand your present feelings, and you are right, I have remained detached, and purposely so. I would no more bring up any personal problems of health, money or family matters than I would share it in the local newspaper. I think the discussions of private matters on public forums can establish a dangerous precedent. I have no intention, nor the time and interest to check out whether yours and Bullet's legal problems are valid or not. Nor should I ever have to be put in that position of having to substantiate every posters credentials. I doubt that I am in the minority on this issue, but it doesn't really matter. The purpose of my initial post was not to inflame, anger or hurt anyone's feelings, but to have them seriously think about the danger of on going discussions of personal issues.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:30 am

I honestly dont think Lon was making an accusation. To me it sounded like he was throwing a topic out for discussion. When I read his piece it didnt sound like he was pointing a finger, merely using br's situation as an example. Was it in good taste ? No, I dont think it was, but to me thats what the internet is, a chance to explore everything. I never doubted br, shes too passionate. If it were a hoax I wouldnt feel taken Id feel sorry for her in every sense. Kind of like Jives, I pity him more than anything, but he doesnt have passion so he was never believable anyway. Is it possible to burn people ? Of course, and its a topic worthy of discussion, but I really didnt think it was a "hey step back and think about this" thing. I dont know Lons heart but thats the way it read to me. At least consider it wasnt an attack. I thought it was a fair "GENERAL" question, but he could have left Criss out of it as well to achieve the same point. That part was tacky.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:34 am

Nomad wrote: I honestly dont think Lon was making an accusation. To me it sounded like he was throwing a topic out for discussion. When I read his piece it didnt sound like he was pointing a finger, merely using br's situation as an example. Was it in good taste ? No, I dont think it was, but to me thats what the internet is, a chance to explore everything. I never doubted br, shes too passionate. If it were a hoax I wouldnt feel taken Id feel sorry for her in every sense. Kind of like Jives, I pity him more than anything, but he doesnt have passion so he was never believable anyway. Is it possible to burn people ? Of course, and its a topic worthy of discussion, but I really didnt think it was a "hey step back and think about this" thing. I dont know Lons heart but thats the way it read to me. At least consider it wasnt an attack. I thought it was a fair "GENERAL" question, but he could have lseft Criss out of it as well to achieve the same point. That part was tacky.

I agree

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:47 am

Lon wrote: FG is a public forum and unless one reads every single post on every single topic it's impossible to know who is married to who and who is the sister, brother or grandad of whomever. Many posters treat a forum as if it was private email and go on and on about private matters and though it's their right to post what they choose, it's this discussion of private matters in a public forum that disturbs me.
Then don't read it. You don't have to open every thread. You don't like it, exit the thread.

I would no more bring up any personal problems of health, money or family matters than I would share it in the local newspaper.
So just because you wouldn't, means nobody else should? You don't get to dictate others' behavior, and it's offensive that you think so.

I have no intention, nor the time and interest to check out whether yours and Bullet's legal problems are valid or not. Nor should I ever have to be put in that position of having to substantiate every posters credentials.
You're not. I didn't, for instance, tell you to substantiate that I am BR's sister. You are, however, being put in the position of having to substantiate accusations you make. As I said before - put up or shut up.

I doubt that I am in the minority on this issue, but it doesn't really matter. The purpose of my initial post was not to inflame, anger or hurt anyone's feelings, but to have them seriously think about the danger of on going discussions of personal issues.
You did hurt feelings, and you could have brought this up without personalizing it. I still haven't heard an apology, and one is richly deserved.

cars · Post by **cars** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:21 am

Lon, your "topic" was a vaild one. Your citing "names" is what made you 100% WRONG! :guitarist No and's, if's, or but's! :-5

What were you thinking?!:-2

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:29 am

cars wrote: Lon, your "topic" was a vaild one. Your citing "names" is what made you 100% WRONG! :guitarist No and's, if's, or but's! :-5

What were you thinking?!:-2

Without citing a name my post would have gone unheeded and you know it. By using a name it got attention didn't it? Is it too much to expect that when someone posts something of a personal nature in a public forum the rest of us are not to make reference to it, unless of course we support them, but don't dare critizise.

shelleybelle73 · Post by **shelleybelle73** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:46 am

Lon wrote: Without citing a name my post would have gone unheeded and you know it. By using a name it got attention didn't it? Is it too much to expect that when someone posts something of a personal nature in a public forum the rest of us are not to make reference to it, unless of course we support them, but don't dare critizise.

I can speak from experience on this one.

I posted something personal and got a right bashing off people. It hurt a lot, because I'm a big softie at heart.

I tried to remain civil even though inside I was screaming...:-5

Babyrider is going through hell at the moment and my love, support & bestwishes are with her and her family (especially Matt)

Please for the sake of Babyrider (who has enough on her plate at the moment) and the rest of us "Gardeners" try to stop this post turning into a nasty verbal bashing.

Make love not war... hugs to everyone esp. BR :-4

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:47 am

Lon wrote: FG is a public forum and unless one reads every single post on every single topic it's impossible to know who is married to who and who is the sister, brother or grandad of whomever. Many posters treat a forum as if it was private email and go on and on about private matters and though it's their right to post what they choose, it's this discussion of private matters in a public forum that disturbs me. What is the difference between a first time poster spamming with an offer of miracle food supplements and a seasoned poster using a public forum to suggest using PAY PAL to aid a fellow member?

BR---I fully expected your wrath. I have appreciated our previous cordial communication and can understand your present feelings, and you are right, I have remained detached, and purposely so. I would no more bring up any personal problems of health, money or family matters than I would share it in the local newspaper. I think the discussions of private matters on public forums can establish a dangerous precedent. I have no intention, nor the time and interest to check out whether yours and Bullet's legal problems are valid or not. Nor should I ever have to be put in that position of having to substantiate every posters credentials. I doubt that I am in the minority on this issue, but it doesn't really matter. The purpose of my initial post was not to inflame, anger or hurt anyone's feelings, but to have them seriously think about the danger of on going discussions of personal issues.
Just because you wouldn't do...WHATEVER on a public forum means less than a fart in the wind to me. I have made true friends here, the fact that you haven't and don't want to has nothing to do with the other.

Did you read the other posts in this thread??? This was NOT my idea to do the Paypal thing. Is that getting through to you, or have you joined the "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with FACT" brigade??

As per your second paragraph...I don't give a tiny rat's ass what you would or would not do on a public forum. You are not me, and I, thank heaven, am not you.

And if you don't have the "time or intention of checking out the credentials of the story", then shut the F up about it. Capice????

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:52 am

Lon wrote: The purpose of my initial post was not to inflame, anger or hurt anyone's feelings,

Ahem.....

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:54 am

One person's word I have the utmost trust in-is Floppy. She has been there, seen them, knows them. She even got to party with them. Call me gullible then, but I believe everything she told us.

And what BR told us. I think she told us things she would never have breathed a word of to another person, except close family members, and she also turned to us here. The whole idea wasn't even hers, but I am glad it is set up. It may only be a little, but it is the proverbial thought that counts.

*I do not like the thought of BR being under any more pressure, she is suffering enough*

I think Lon, you had mentioned something about this on another thread, I don't know where, but about the possibility of a scam. That is a viable topic to bring up, but maybe without the names used.

It is a voluntary contribution, if you don't want to contribute, that is cool. No one would think anything about it either way. It was a very thoughtful gesture on Floppy and Carla's part.

BR, hop on your bike and ride away somewhere. You have enough to worry about right now, if your sister is there, go do something with her. Don't upset yourself more.

You know we love you.:-4

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:01 am

Resorting to name calling and foul language, despite what ever a member posts here is classless, and in very bad taste. Perhaps Lon is not a bosom buddy to any of the members here. Perhaps he is not emmotionally invested in the ramifications of BR and Bullets crisis. As someone who does maintain their privacy, and keeps there distance, to post what he did took a tremendous amount of courage. And I would think that his observation and his warning would be geared towards those innocent, or new posters who are not part of Brs internet group of close friends and family. I am certain that I am not a popular member of the new FG that this has evolved into from when I first joined, also almost two years ago. Its ok. For everything there is a season. So on this bright and beautiful Sunday morning, I am signing off for the last time. Its good to leave while your clothes are all in one piece, and youve made it all this time without incurring the wrath of anyone. My very best wishes to all of you. You have been good friends. If I could I would take all of your suffering..... along with my own.... roll it into a ball, and throw it out to sea. That is not possible. So, I am going to let go of the life raft, and see if I can swim alone. Love, Weeder

PS Its incredible that Lon of all people... who I never had much interaction with, would be the catalyst for my making a decision that has been on my mind for a while.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:02 am

Chonsi, it's easy enough to say don't upset myself any more, ride away. Well, when a wrong has been done to me or mine, I can't just ride away. I have to call an idiot an idiot.

And now, the SOB can't even be arsed to check into the story he's questioning??? How the hell is that fair, or right, or logical, and HOW, may I ask, does it lend him any credence?? In my not so f-ing humble opinion, it takes away from his credence. When you challenge a person, a topic, a subject or an argument, the very least you can do is to have some fact. Nothing printed here can be proven as fact. The only way it can be proven as fact is if the lazy bastard does some checking, but he can't be bothered to do that. So why the argument, pointing to me and Bullet in the first place??

Geeze, it took my boss till she was 82 to start showing signs of senility. Poor Lon has them at the tender young age of 71. That is, of course, unless he's lying about his age. To trick us all into....something....

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:03 am

:-1 No Weeder, don't let this be a reason to leave FG!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:06 am

weeder wrote: Resorting to name calling and foul language, despite what ever a member posts here is classless, and in very bad taste. Perhaps Lon is not a bosom buddy to any of the members here. Perhaps he is not emmotionally invested in the ramifications of BR and Bullets crisis. As someone who does maintain their privacy, and keeps there distance, to post what he did took a tremendous amount of courage. And I would think that his observation and his warning would be geared towards those innocent, or new posters who are not part of Brs internet group of close friends and family. I am certain that I am not a popular member of the new FG that this has evolved into from when I first joined, also almost two years ago. Its ok. For everything there is a season. So on this bright and beautiful Sunday morning, I am signing off for the last time. Its good to leave while your clothes are all in one piece, and youve made it all this time without incurring the wrath of anyone. My very best wishes to all of you. You have been good friends. If I could I would take all of your suffering..... along with my own.... roll it into a ball, and throw it out to sea. That is not possible. So, I am going to let go of the life raft, and see if I can swim alone. Love, Weeder

PS Its incredible that Lon of all people... who I never had much interaction with, would be the catalyst for my making a decision that has been on my mind for a while.
WHAT??!?!?! WHAT???!?!?!?!!

You're leaving FG over THIS???? I don't get it Laura....please...explain this so I understand.....How can you leave FG over this???

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:12 am

BR, just do what you have to do.

*it was my maternal instinct saying take care of yourself, you're young enough to be my kid*

I said it, and won't say it again.

And weeder, you just cannot leave like this.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:15 am

As I stated before, I do understand what Lon's point is. I personally believe BR which is surprising out of me. I do believe also that, had Lon not personalized it, he would still be bashed for inferring it.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:17 am

SnoozeControl wrote: Oh great, something else to cause pain to BR. Why the dramatic exit post in this thread in particular? Jesus H Christ.

If it helps, I'd guess 99% of the forum is supportive of you, BR. Try to take comfort in that and ignore the rest of this crap.
Thanks, Snooze. I don't understand this at all...seems like nothing makes a lot of sense lately. Or, almost nothing. You guys make sense. You all are a life-line, believe it or not. I told the bosses that if it weren't for this place, where I could come and get (almost) unconditional support from everyone here, this first week would have been sheer hell for me. You guys have no idea how much you've helped. And seeing my sister in here, thundering to my side makes it all the sweeter. Love ya, sis. :-4 :-4

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:19 am

Peg wrote: As I stated before, I do understand what Lon's point is. I personally believe BR which is surprising out of me. I do believe also that, had Lon not personalized it, he would still be bashed for inferring it.
But he DID personalize it. And how can I NOT take something personalized, personally?? And yes, I would have seen right through his "inferrence" and still been p!ssed.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:24 am

[quote=BabyRider]

Did you read the other posts in this thread??? This was NOT my idea to do the Paypal thing.

Then why the hell did you even bring up your money concerns? By bringing your concerns up on this forum you invited others to initiate action and that was wrong in my view. You have made many friends on FG and it looks like I will be loosing some, and that's no problem for me.

I am sorry for any grief that you and Bullet are going through with his legal problems, but not for my initial post. I mean't it one way and you obviously took it another. My problem of not being able to communicate my thoughts in a less offensive manner.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:31 am

flopstock wrote: I would rather he had used me as an example, personally. After all, I'm as phoney as a $2 bill..

I am friggen flustered that we have a phoney floppy. A phoney floppy makes me say phoooey. Two dollar bills do exist so therefore you cannot be a phoney Floppy.:p

cars · Post by **cars** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:36 am

Lon wrote: Without citing a name my post would have gone unheeded and you know it. By using a name it got attention didn't it? Is it too much to expect that when someone posts something of a personal nature in a public forum the rest of us are not to make reference to it, unless of course we support them, but don't dare critizise.

So then you are critizing?! If you're "really 71", then you're old enough to know better! You could have used a little tact, and gotten your "post's intent" across by innuendo, "without names", if it really was your intent just to get the initial point across!

(Apparently, you didn't look at BR's Wedding video thread posted by Six, just last week!):-2

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:42 am

Lon wrote: [quote=BabyRider]

Did you read the other posts in this thread??? This was NOT my idea to do the Paypal thing.

Then why the hell did you even bring up your money concerns? By bringing your concerns up on this forum you invited others to initiate action and that was wrong in my view. You have made many friends on FG and it looks like I will be loosing some, and that's no problem for me.

I am sorry for any grief that you and Bullet are going through with his legal problems, but not for my initial post. I mean't it one way and you obviously took it another. My problem of not being able to communicate my thoughts in a less offensive manner.

Everyone here knows about my money concerns. It follows a certain logic that when you've just paid out $25,000 for a lawyer and still have more legal battles to fight, that money is not something we have in great supply here.

I invited NO ONE to initiate any action. Are you saying that Flopstock and Carla do not have minds of their own?? That I have some mental power over them and telepathically persuaded them to do this for me?? That's twice you've implied that the people here are stupid. Get real, Lon. And once again, it would not be possible for me to care less what you think is right or wrong. You are not my moral barometer.

And sorry, but I don't buy your "apology" for one second. Maybe next time you'll think on something a little harder before you go shooting your mouth off. I'm done with you.

cars · Post by **cars** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:47 am

flopstock wrote: I would rather he had used me as an example, personally. After all, I'm as phoney as a $2 bill..

flop, You're being saved for something "way greater" than this insignificant Sheite!:D :p

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:00 am

BabyRider wrote: [quote=Lon]

Everyone here knows about my money concerns. It follows a certain logic that when you've just paid out $25,000 for a lawyer and still have more legal battles to fight, that money is not something we have in great supply here.

I invited NO ONE to initiate any action. Are you saying that Flopstock and Carla do not have minds of their own?? That I have some mental power over them and telepathically persuaded them to do this for me?? That's twice you've implied that the people here are stupid. Get real, Lon. And once again, it would not be possible for me to care less what you think is right or wrong. You are not my moral barometer.

And sorry, but I don't buy your "apology" for one second. Maybe next time you'll think on something a little harder before you go shooting your mouth off. I'm done with you.

First off---I did not apologise, nor will I. I said "I am sorry for the legal problems that you and Bullet are having". Secondly, are you too thick to understand that bringing up the whole "Bullet Thing" will invite support, both moral and possibly financial? Your anger is clouding your ability to reason and comprehend, so be it.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:16 am

Lon wrote:

First off---I did not apologise, nor will I. I said "I am sorry for the legal problems that you and Bullet are having". Secondly, are you too thick to understand that bringing up the whole "Bullet Thing" will invite support, both moral and possibly financial? Your anger is clouding your ability to reason and comprehend, so be it.
I don't want your empty apology, so you can stop with whatever it is you're trying to accomplish with continually saying "I'm not apologizing."

"The whole Bullet thing" as you so trivially put it, is important to me, and to several other people here. What people do with that information is up to them, not me. Are YOU too thick to understand that??? Or maybe you just don't know what it's like to have true friends. In that case, I pity you.....A little....not really, actually. I find you pompous and having an over-inflated opinion of your own importance and opinion.

Your ignorance is clouding yours.

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:22 am

Lon wrote: [quote=BabyRider]

First off---I did not apologise, nor will I.
Now you're contradicting yourself. In your first response to me, if you go back and actually read what you yourself wrote, you will see that you said "My apology was contained in my first post." So...are you or aren't you? Make up your mind.

I said "I am sorry for the legal problems that you and Bullet are having".
So...is she or isn't she? If she is (having legal problems) then this entire post is without foundation. If she's not, you have nothing to sympathize with. Again, you're contradicting yourself.

Secondly, are you too thick to understand that bringing up the whole "Bullet Thing" will invite support, both moral and possibly financial? Your anger is clouding your ability to reason and comprehend, so be it.
Of course she wanted moral support. That's what happens around here. The financial support, for the eightieth or ninetieth time (maybe one of these times it'll get through your thick skull) was not her idea.

cars · Post by **cars** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:24 am

Lon wrote:

[QUOTE=flopstock]

OH! OH! I know the answer to this!:wah:

Remember back when this all first came out? BR refused to even give us contact info for whoever at her club mught be organizing fundraisers. Flat out refused to let us get involved.

So, being the sneaky creep I am, I went on a 'behind the scenes search' and found folks that would talk..:sneaky: and passed the info on to others privately who had also asked for the opportunity to help.

BR knows me well enough to know that I would have done the same thing again, now. Her 'pride' may take a beating, but I know in my heart that she can deal with that and any fallout such as this thread, because in the end, it is about the man she loves and NOT just her. Her asking for ideas for ways to raise cash just kicked a few of her friends here into high gear..

So, this is 'MY bad', Lon. Not BRs. Maybe you are right and i should have just PMed folks that expressed an interest. But, IMO this is a time sensitive issue and broadcasting it, seemed the quickest, most efficient means of getting the job done. And the information across.

Sorry if it offended your sense of correctness. And I don't mean that in a scarcastic way.

flop, you're just a good friend, doing what good friends do. No apology needed!!!;)

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:26 am

cars wrote: No apology needed!!!;)

DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!