Ask BabyRider anything (2)

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:54 pm

Pinky wrote: If we never walk in someone else's shoes, how are we meant to judge?

Thats where understanding and compassion and some leniency play a part in bridging the gaps that exist not only in our own society but with the world as a whole. Even if its not your bag, how does the sexual actions of others affect your life ? It does only if you choose it that way. There are so many more important things we can do other than hating one another. We wouldnt have some of the problems we do if we showed genuine respect for those that differ from us.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:00 pm

I agree sis.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:27 pm

Pinky wrote: I'm glad someone does...It's taken me years to get this objective, even when it affects me. I always end up seeing sense in it though.

Once you practice seeing things in a wide open light it just sort of becomes your way. It becomes easier to have tolerance you develop a capacity for enduring things that you might have once hated. Thats good for everyone.

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:27 pm

BabyRider wrote: :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

Erinna....I know you've been lurking in this thread.....will you please explain to our dear Nomad here what a futile game he's playing? He doesn't listen to me.
ROFL...I wondered when that was coming. And I never knew that DXH (the "d" definitely does NOT stand for "dear" in this case!) was threatening to hit Mom on that Easter Sunday. Zowie.

Nomad. Trust her on this one. There is no one - absolutely no one - who holds on to a grudge like our BR. Gotta admire the steadfastness of her convictions. She doesn't try to foist them on anyone...but she inexorably resists any attempts to change her mind. Stubborn isn't in it. Doesn't begin to describe it.

It isn't gonna work. Don't waste your energy on futility. Spend it where you can actually make a difference.

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:31 pm

Pinky wrote: maybe your brother in law was doing your sister a favour in the long run.
Well, hell, I sure think so.

If he didn't really love her in the way that he should, at least she is now free to find someone that does
Oh, I did

Still futile to try to argue her out of this. She doesn't want to change. She doesn't agree with you and Nomad that there is anything wrong with her viewpoint. That's why it's useless. She's not looking for redemption because she doesn't think there's anything to redeem.

As I said before...gotta admire how she sticks to it. She's nothing if not consistent.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:42 pm

BR, you can continue to be the hard ass you want to be. We (me and you) NEVER agreed on homosexuality, race relations, and politics. But I have learned that what you feel and believe is what you FEEL and BELIEVE and what I feel and believe is what I FEEL and BELIEVE. They are completely different, completley contradictory, but at least we have so much respect for eachother that we can still somehow continue a friendship. I used to always say that I would never surround myself with people "like you" as in people who hate gays, condemn interracial relationships, support Bush and the America we know today etc...but I have come to know you through FG and know a person who is strong, intelligent, supportive, etc. We may never agree but I will never try and make you believe what I do and vice versa. I cant remember once when you tried to make me change my mind. ANd if you did, at least you were polite about it.

So there you go, people. We can CO EXIST as long as there is respect.

So my question...

What do you think about Xenu?:D :p

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:50 pm

Erinna1112 wrote: ROFL...I wondered when that was coming. And I never knew that DXH (the "d" definitely does NOT stand for "dear" in this case!) was threatening to hit Mom on that Easter Sunday. Zowie.

Nomad. Trust her on this one. There is no one - absolutely no one - who holds on to a grudge like our BR. Gotta admire the steadfastness of her convictions. She doesn't try to foist them on anyone...but she inexorably resists any attempts to change her mind. Stubborn isn't in it. Doesn't begin to describe it.

It isn't gonna work. Don't waste your energy on futility. Spend it where you can actually make a difference.

Yea but shes my project ! :wah:

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:06 pm

Nomad wrote: Yea but shes my project ! :wah:
Well, if you like beating your head against a brick wall....don't say I didn't warn you.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:11 pm

Erinna1112 wrote: Well, if you like beating your head against a brick wall....don't say I didn't warn you.

Ahhh shes a softy underneath. Thats why I call her cuddles.

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:29 pm

Nomad wrote: Ahhh shes a softy underneath. Thats why I call her cuddles.

It's gonna be interesting being a fly on the wall during this one...can't wait to figure out what it is that finally convinces you. :wah:

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:43 pm

Erinna1112 wrote: It's gonna be interesting being a fly on the wall during this one...can't wait to figure out what it is that finally convinces you. :wah:

I wont rest until I achieve total submission and perhaps a puppy whimper and a yes master, shall I clean the bathroom now ?

Erinna1112 · Post by **Erinna1112** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:49 pm

Nomad wrote: I wont rest until I achieve total submission and perhaps a puppy whimper and a yes master, shall I clean the bathroom now ?

Just what color IS the sky in your world, Nomad? :wah:

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:38 am

Erinna1112 wrote: Just what color IS the sky in your world, Nomad? :wah:
I can answer that dear sis....the sky in Nomad's world is rose-colored. As he sees everything through rose-tinted lenses, he believes he can actually change the way people view the world and it's flaws, and flawed people. I am more realistic, as you well know.

Nomad....there is no way possible for me to change my view, my opinion, my unbending hatred of gays. A gay man took my sister's world, and tore it apart. For that, there is no forgiveness. There is no understanding. There is no anything but pure, unadulterated hatred, contempt and disgust. And you know what? I sleep fine at night.

It does not consume me, it does not bother me. It is simply the way I view this piece of excrement who completely phucked my sister's life over.

The vows they took, the promises that they made....he flushed them down the crapper, and for that, I will NEVER forgive him. He does not deserve my forgiveness, my understanding, my respect or my loyalty. I will never have anything but the purest of hatred for him, and he should thank his lucky stars that that is all I have for him. Because if he weren't the sperm donor for my nephew, he could expect a whole lot worse.

Frankly, I hope he lives every day of the rest of his life in fear of the possible reprisals I could bring down upon his head. The only thing sparing him a whole lot of discomfort is the fact that he is my nephew's father.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:43 am

Nomad wrote: Ahhh shes a softy underneath. Thats why I call her cuddles.

And why I call him "Puddles" will be even more entertaining.....

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:28 am

Nomad wrote: Thats where understanding and compassion and some leniency play a part in bridging the gaps that exist not only in our own society but with the world as a whole. Even if its not your bag, how does the sexual actions of others affect your life ? It does only if you choose it that way. There are so many more important things we can do other than hating one another. We wouldnt have some of the problems we do if we showed genuine respect for those that differ from us.

I love you Nomie!

I love all that you have said on this subject in this thread.

I'm proud to call you my friend.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:55 pm

cherandbuster wrote: I love you Nomie!

I love all that you have said on this subject in this thread.

I'm proud to call you my friend.

I love Nomie, too. We just don't happen to agree on this topic. Just like DG said, we can disagree, even about a lot of things, but we are still friends, and we still respect each other.

By the way, DG, I really appreciate your post, thank you. :-4 :-6

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:52 pm

Some French bloke allegedly said "I may not agree with what you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it". This is real democracy. And in FG's finer moments, we reflect this. I'm proud to know all of you !!!

And after that lofty sentiment I'll now revert to my normal early-monring grouchy, coffee-seeking, mudwrassling self.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:58 pm

How are you coping Hon? :yh_hugs

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:25 pm

BabyRider wrote: I can answer that dear sis....the sky in Nomad's world is rose-colored. As he sees everything through rose-tinted lenses, he believes he can actually change the way people view the world and it's flaws, and flawed people. I am more realistic, as you well know.

Nomad....there is no way possible for me to change my view, my opinion, my unbending hatred of gays. A gay man took my sister's world, and tore it apart. For that, there is no forgiveness. There is no understanding. There is no anything but pure, unadulterated hatred, contempt and disgust. And you know what? I sleep fine at night.

It does not consume me, it does not bother me. It is simply the way I view this piece of excrement who completely phucked my sister's life over.

The vows they took, the promises that they made....he flushed them down the crapper, and for that, I will NEVER forgive him. He does not deserve my forgiveness, my understanding, my respect or my loyalty. I will never have anything but the purest of hatred for him, and he should thank his lucky stars that that is all I have for him. Because if he weren't the sperm donor for my nephew, he could expect a whole lot worse.

Frankly, I hope he lives every day of the rest of his life in fear of the possible reprisals I could bring down upon his head. The only thing sparing him a whole lot of discomfort is the fact that he is my nephew's father.

Rose colored glasses ? No I dont think so. You have an idea of what my life has been like. Ive been to hell and back. I didnt die, so I saw that as a new beginning. A chance to be what I really wanted to be. If our experiences have been different thats all they are, different. Your views are different than mine. That doesnt mean Im right your wrong or vice versa. If I had been born in Iraq, I might want to see you dead for the mere fact that you live in the U.S. Is that skewed ? Not to them its not. And I dont want to change your mind as much as I would like to see you open your eyes. In my opinion your views could change, but that would take something extraordinary, something would have to affect you personally. You would have to be touched, your soul would have to be moved.

Thats not absurd, those things happen daily throughout the world. I think the part that bothers me most is that if your consumed with hatred for this race or that sexually oriented person that leaves little room for spiritual growth. Take spiritual any way you please, it means different things to different people. If to wish peace and love upon you means Im not squarely "seeing" the world, I guess Im not sure how to reply. I would ask you to consider theres a better way. Think ahead to your own death. Picture it. Do you see yourself wishing you had hated more ?

I know what that feels like, its universally accepted that it will eat you up alive. Love and compassion on the other hand have benefits, they fill you with things that can set you free, they open doors and they offer the best chance for our world to survive and be nourished.

Hate brings things like war and people like Hitler. Sound extreme ? It wasnt that long ago, your grandparents or their generation lived it. In a nutshell, I want good things for you, your heart, your soul and your life in general. Is that such a bad thing ?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:37 pm

When was the last time you stood on your head?

Why not try it now?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:14 pm

Ever been to Sturgis ?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:14 am

abbey wrote: How are you coping Hon? :yh_hugs
With so much support from here and in my off-line life, I am coping pretty damn well, I think. I have bad days, usually first thing when I wake up and expect to hear him puttering around in the house, making my coffee for me, until reality hits me that he's not here. But each day it gets easier, and as we get closer to the 28th, I have to think positively that things will work out in our favor. Otherwise, I will go insane.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:18 am

Accountable wrote: When was the last time you stood on your head?

Why not try it now?
It has been a VERY long time since I stood on my head, and if I tried it now, my back would probably go out.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:20 am

Nomad wrote: Ever been to Sturgis ?
Nope. And neither Matt or I have any desire to go. Neither of us like huge crowds like that, and there is too much of a certain "element" and too many particular things that go on at bashes like that, that we just don['t want anything to do with. Just not our cuppa tea.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:33 am

Nomad wrote: Rose colored glasses ? No I dont think so. You have an idea of what my life has been like. Ive been to hell and back. I didnt die, so I saw that as a new beginning. A chance to be what I really wanted to be. If our experiences have been different thats all they are, different. Your views are different than mine. That doesnt mean Im right your wrong or vice versa. If I had been born in Iraq, I might want to see you dead for the mere fact that you live in the U.S. Is that skewed ? Not to them its not. And I dont want to change your mind as much as I would like to see you open your eyes. In my opinion your views could change, but that would take something extraordinary, something would have to affect you personally. You would have to be touched, your soul would have to be moved.

Thats not absurd, those things happen daily throughout the world. I think the part that bothers me most is that if your consumed with hatred for this race or that sexually oriented person that leaves little room for spiritual growth. Take spiritual any way you please, it means different things to different people. If to wish peace and love upon you means Im not squarely "seeing" the world, I guess Im not sure how to reply. I would ask you to consider theres a better way. Think ahead to your own death. Picture it. Do you see yourself wishing you had hated more ?

I know what that feels like, its universally accepted that it will eat you up alive. Love and compassion on the other hand have benefits, they fill you with things that can set you free, they open doors and they offer the best chance for our world to survive and be nourished.

Hate brings things like war and people like Hitler. Sound extreme ? It wasnt that long ago, your grandparents or their generation lived it. In a nutshell, I want good things for you, your heart, your soul and your life in general. Is that such a bad thing ?
And you have some idea of what MY life has been like, too. I also have been to hell and back, just in very different ways. I didn't see it as a new beginning, I saw it as "How do I protect myself from this happening again?" and making sure it didn't.

Looking ahead to my own death, morbid as that is, and as obvious a plea to make me feel guilty as that is, no, of course I don't see myself as wishing I "hated" more.

I have said this over, and over, and over till I'm blue in the face. We are products of our environment. A gay man, which I see as immoral and sick and wrong to begin with, screwed over one of the most important people in my life. Mes with my fmily, and it is not something I forget, or forgive. My family has done extraordinary things for me, sometimes when I didn't deserve it, and I know without a single doubt that I can count on them for absolutely anything. So if you hurt one of them, I want to hurt you back. And given the chance, I will. I cannot hurt this particular gay man, because of his relationship with my nephew, as much as I'd like to. So, I have to settle for hating him.

As for my eyes being open...they are WIDE open. I see things very clearly, and I'm not the least bit concerned that despising something I view as immoral as damaging to me. Who and what he is, is wrong in my eyes. You don't like that. That's ok, I can live with you not liking that.

And as for love and compassion, I have SO much love in my life that I believe I am one of the lckiest people in the world. And I have compassion for those who deserve it. He does not.

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:55 am

Good mornin' Baby Rider :-6

It's raining like a muther here in New England but I thought I'd give you a :-6 anyway.

BR, have you ever been physically injured?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:11 am

cherandbuster wrote: BR, have you ever been physically injured?

Good mornin' to you too, Cher!!

I have to be honest...I laughed right out loud when I read your question. Obviously you have never read any of our old threads about domestic violence. I was with a guy for 5 years who beat the tar out of me on an almost daily basis. I've been punched, kicked, thrown down flights of stairs, tossed from moving cars, bitten, choked, and one particularly memorable event was when he knocked me down, sat on my chest and tried to twist my head off of my body.

Yeah....I've been physically injured once or twice....:yh_rotfl

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:25 am

Wow.

I have to admit (and it's still hard for me to do so), I also was in an abusive relationship.

I'm sure people said to you, as they did to me, "Geez, you have such a strong personality -- I just can't believe you put up with that @#$%^&!!."

It goes to show you: you really never know, do you?

Did you sleep well last night, my friend?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:39 am

cherandbuster wrote: Wow.

I have to admit (and it's still hard for me to do so), I also was in an abusive relationship.

I'm sure people said to you, as they did to me, "Geez, you have such a strong personality -- I just can't believe you put up with that @#$%^&!!."

It goes to show you: you really never know, do you?

Did you sleep well last night, my friend?
Why on EARTH is it hard for you to "admit" that? It's not something to be ashamed of!!

I didn't get too much of the "Why do you put up with that?", because I lied about it all the time, as abused people often do.

You sure are giving my some good laughs today, Cher, because I nodded off right here at the computer...(I have a comfy chair) and popped awake about 1 1/2 hours ago, WIDE awake. So I didn't really get much sleep, but I'm not tired, which is very odd for me. Usually after a night of work, I sleep like the dead for about 10 hours.

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:57 am

Hey BR, do you dream at night? I'm a HUGE dreamer and often have some great adventures when I'm sleeping . . .

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:01 am

cherandbuster wrote: Hey BR, do you dream at night? I'm a HUGE dreamer and often have some great adventures when I'm sleeping . . .
I dream a LOT. Always very vivid, lots of detail, and yes, I dream in color. I can fly in my dreams and I can breathe underwater.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:32 am

The ego is a limited belief system within your mind that you have molded and identified as being the real you. The ego survives by establishing boundaries, borders and limits on everything it sees. The defining of such boundaries, borders and limits gives it the illusion that it can tell you what is right and wrong, all in an effort to control you by instructing you on what you are and are not, how you should act and not act, and why you should judge those who challenge it; the status quo. You are taught the right and wrong way to do things, the right and wrong way to react. Because you learn from the outside world, you believe that truth lies outside of you.

Judgment and fear feed the ego, generating numerous perceived weaknesses and limitations you believe you must defend as real. The more time you spend in defense of the ego and your limitations, the more you believe that this is who you are. And because you see this ego as real and representing yourself, you defend it against anyone you perceive as attacking it. In your mind any view that does not support it attacks it.

You perceive the attacks (disagreements with your belief system) on your ego and its illusion as real, and so you become defensive. The more time you spend defending your false or ego-self, the more you reaffirm its reality. The more you reaffirm its reality, the more willing you are to come to its defense. The more you defend the illusion of the ego-self as real, the more concepts and ideas you will encounter in the world that donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t fit into your reality. You perceive different concepts and ideas as assaults to your reality. You defend your ego-self, through the act of judgment. The exercise of judgment separates you from your fellow brother or sister causing stress that may be conscious or unconscious. Stress creates confusion, and a build up of confusion ultimately leads to chaos.

You feel that by defending your beliefs, you strengthen them. Yet the more you defend them, the more they weaken you. The more time you spend in defense of your ego-self, the more time you will exist in a state of confusion. You might give your state of confusion a hundred different names, such as annoyance, anger, stress, sadness, depression, but they all exist because of your belief in the egoÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s reality. They all exist within your mind and are fed and kept alive by your belief in your ego-self.

Your tolerance for pain may be high but your acceptance of your ego-self is not without limit. You will come to a point in your life where you will tell yourself that there must be a better way, a more fulfilling way of living that this just canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be what itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s all about! These thoughts begin the process of awakening yourself to the knowledge of who you truly are.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:36 am

OK, I don't know where you copied that from, but it's a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to me. Simply put: I don't like gays, I don't feel obliged to justify it to anyone, and that is justnot going to change. End of conversation.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:41 am

Its not mumbo jumbo. Let me ask you one simple question. Are you done ? Are you a finished product ? None of us are. We learn everyday. I know you hate reading long posts. But Im asking you a favor, just read this then Ill stop.

The Godself is the essence of God within you. You are the essence of God physically expressing itself on Earth. The essence of God is love. Love is all you are, it is your true state, your real self. Love is your base, your foundation. People are taught and have the perception that they must build on their foundation. How you choose to build on your foundation is up to you. However, if you simply extend what you are, you will create more beauty than anything that has ever been built. My brother and sister, your base, your Godself is perfect and you need not add or subtract anything from perfection. Regardless of what perception you have of yourself and others, it does not change your foundation or your brother or sisterÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s foundation. But you have been offered free will, and with that you may choose to see yourself and your brothers and sisters as you wish.

There is nothing that any great teacher or guru has obtained that is not obtainable to you. In fact, the Godself is not something that is obtained, the Godself is simply something that is realized and remembered. Nothing that is given to one is withheld from another. God does not play favorites. GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s love for you is in no way diminished by your belief that you are less than what you truly are. God loves all, equally, and always.

Your understanding of truth is in direct relation to your ability to love. When we speak of love it is not about Ã¢â‚¬Ëœspecial loveÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ where one individual or individuals are loved more than or over others. When we speak of love, it is an all-encompassing, all-inclusive, non-divisible love. Erich Fromm, in his book, 'The Art of Loving', put it this way:

"Love is not primarily a relationship to a specific person; it is an attitude, an orientation of character that determines the relatedness of a person to the world as a whole, not toward one Ã¢â‚¬ËœobjectÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ of love. If a person loves only one other person and is indifferent to the rest of his fellow men, his love is not love but a symbiotic attachment, or an enlarged egotism. Yet, most people believe that love is constituted by the object, not by the faculty. In fact, they even believe that it is proof of the intensity of their love when they do not love anybody except the Ã¢â‚¬ËœlovedÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ person. This is the same fallacy, which we have already mentioned above. Because one does not see that love is an activity, a power of the soul, one believes that all that is necessary to find is the right object, and that everything goes by itself afterward. This attitude can be compared to that of a man who wants to paint but who, instead of learning the art, claims that he has just to wait for the right object, and that he will paint beautifully when he finds it. If I can say to somebody else, Ã¢â‚¬ËœI love you,Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ I must be able to say, Ã¢â‚¬ËœI love in you everybody, I love through you the world, I love in you also myself.Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ "

As you allow love to fill more aspects of your life, the truth of who you are will become clearer. The more you are able to share and extend love, the more you will be able to see and experience truth. Both love and truth are boundless. To try and use words to define such energies would be to try and establish boundaries around All That Is.

One who is aware of his Godself or true self recognizes it in all. Regardless of his position in the world, he will see you as an equal, a brother or sister in the remembering process. He will look at you as an equal because he recognizes your divinity. His knowledge of himself will strengthen yours. You are here in part to remember your Godself, your divinity. Your Godself is the truth of who you are. The more time you spend during the day in recognition of your divinity, your Godself, the more youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll become aware of it in your brother, sister, and in the world. So how do you recognize your divinity? If you feel anything that does not reflect peace, love or joy, then you are not in recognition of your Godself, your divinity. When you are experiencing or expressing any type of negativity, you are not in recognition of your divinity. Peace, love and joy reflect the presence of God. Peace, love and joy are natural extensions and expressions of someone who has allowed himself or herself the recognition of his or her Godself. Please note that someone extending and expressing his or her Godself will never judge you for how you choose to feel or behave.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:47 am

Nope, I don't like reading long posts, and there was "God" or "Godself" about 6 times before I scrolled at all. Sorry, Nomad, I'm passing on that one.

So yeah, I'm done. Just with this conversation, though.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:48 am

BabyRider wrote: Nope, I don't like reading long posts, and there was "God" or "Godself" about 6 times before I scrolled at all. Sorry, Nomad, I'm passing on that one.

So yeah, I'm done. Just with this conversation, though.

Big fuzzy fluffy cuddly cutie :-4

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:11 am

Nomad wrote: Big fuzzy fluffy cuddly cutie :-4
Big? BIG??!?!??!! Exactly WHAT are you implying, Puddles????

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:15 am

BR, could you tell us exactly what will transpire on Wednesday? What time does this start? Is it a quick thing or a long thing? If you get the outcome you want (and deserve), does Bullet go back to jail or not?

I ask because I'm interested and I care.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:18 am

Let's be honest: Isn't a lot of what we call tap dancing really just nerves?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:40 am

cherandbuster wrote: BR, could you tell us exactly what will transpire on Wednesday? What time does this start? Is it a quick thing or a long thing? If you get the outcome you want (and deserve), does Bullet go back to jail or not?

I ask because I'm interested and I care.
Cher, you don't ever have to feel the need to explain why you're asking me something. :yh_bigsmi

Wednesday morning, I'll go to the courthouse at 9 am. There will be many brothers, my family, and assorted other friends there to show moral support. They'll bring Bullet in, and the first thing our lawyer will do is ask for an appeal. It will probably be granted, as we have a very sympathetic judge. We will then ask for a bond, so that he can be home during the appeal process. If that doesn't work, our lawyer has motioned for a re-trial, and if THAT'S granted, we again will ask for a bond so he can be out while THAT process takes place.

Another option is, if we don't get any of the things we request, our lawyer asks for a sentence to a lesser charge, such as involuntary manslaughter, which could get him 18 months, of which he might do 1/2.

Best case scenario: the re-trial is granted and the judge gives us a low bond and we get him out that day, or it might take one more day to process him out.

Worst case scenario: the judge denies everything we ask for and sends him to prison for a minimum of 90 months.

SO. There's a lot of grey area between the best and worst that could happen.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:40 am

Nomad wrote: Let's be honest: Isn't a lot of what we call tap dancing really just nerves?
You'll have to clear that one up for me, Puddles.

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:42 am

Thanks. All my good thoughts and prayers will be with you on Wednesday atn 9:00 a.m. sharp:)

What do you think of thong underwear?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:46 am

cherandbuster wrote: Thanks. All my good thoughts and prayers will be with you on Wednesday atn 9:00 a.m. sharp:)
Thanks....we're going to need all we can get!

cherandbuster wrote: What do you think of thong underwear?
There's only about 5 days out of each month that I don't wear them. :yh_wink

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:48 am

I like 'em too.

Does Nomad have a metal plate in his head?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:52 am

cherandbuster wrote: I like 'em too.

Does Nomad have a metal plate in his head?

Here Ill take this one. Sure I have a plate. But its not made of metal, its a plate made of cotton candy and chocolate.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:55 am

cherandbuster wrote: I like 'em too.

Does Nomad have a metal plate in his head?
Yes...it's there to hold his teeny, tiny man-brain in place. :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:43 am

BR, may I give you an AMEN???!!!