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A Karenina
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ScoupeSlave wrote:

I am just so tired of the little person being kicked down all the time.
SS, I feel ya. It sure feels like that sometimes, and it's almost enough to break you. Almost.



I can tell you how I crawled out...though really it was more like dragging myself up a vertical cliff with my fingernails - ack!



You'll often hear accountants say that we don't deal with money - we deal with numbers. We separate it mentally so that we aren't tempted. That's the first step - it's not money, it's just numbers. You have to convince yourself of this, but once you do it gets kinda fun. :)



Once you quit thinking in terms of dollars, it becomes a bit easier to change how you live. Obviously, you'll do without a lot of things until the two of you get back on your feet. I lived without a phone and a computer for a long long time. I needed the money to be spent elsewhere, simple as that. (And I was able to call 911 if there was an emergency, a courtesy from the phone company.)



I would write up an annual, monthly, and weekly budget. For my weekly, I would make a game of trying to spend less than I budgeted. I used cash only. Any excess cash in my wallet at the end of the week was deposited into my savings account - even if it was only $5. It was an accomplishment, and I was proud of it. Every penny I could spare went to paying off old debt.



The trick there is to choose the smallest bill first:



Visa; balance due $500, monthly minimum $20, budgeted payment $50.

MasterCard; balance due $1,000, monthly minimum $25, budgeted payment $30



Visa is smaller, so pay $50 to them and $30 to Mastercard. In 11 months (assuming interest), the Visa is paid off.

At that point, pay $85 towards the MasterCard.

Keep doing this until everything is paid off...and do NOT take on new debt.



You will live without everything or so it seems. But it's not so bad. There's tons of free stuff to do, and it's really fun to see how much you can do without, to step outside of the consumer mentality (not saying you're in that, but frankly we all are to some degree).



Buy less meat, and stretch it further. It's healthier anyway. Eat popcorn instead of chips, cheaper and better for you. Not microwave, the pop it on the stove kind. Pasta is a poor person's dream; add a few fresh vegies or tomatoes and voila!



All movies eventually hit tv. We don't need to pay $8 per person to go see them. All museums have free days. Most fun events allow you to go for free if you donate your time.



Use your skills to make pennies along the way. I've done a lot of mending for coworkers for bits of cash here and there. From sewing custom curtains to putting new buttons on a blouse, I can pick up $5 to $50.



Public transportation is a lot cheaper than a car plus insurance.



The problem with crawling out of debt is not that it's impossible. It's very possible (as I've ranted before, LOL). But it's a lot of time, energy, focus, and plain hard work.



Try finding a job at a smaller company. They're less likely to check your credit, and though they don't offer great benefits, they usually reward great work. When I was aiming towards increasing my hourly rate, I worked at a smaller company. When I got it to where I could live (barely), I switched to a larger company to pick up benefits and to get the experience my field requires.



I know it's really hard. I truly do. When I left Chicago, I was making $48k plus $12k a year in bonuses. In Portland, I was reduced to $20k a year with 3 kids back in 1998. And I learned the hard way how much I could do without. I've complained about this before, but I was left with our divorce debt over $40k. I'm now down to $7k on it, and that will be gone one year from now. (Less, if the creditors continue to make deals with me.) I've also got 2 years left of child support.



I used to get really mad about it all, and feel like the system was keeping poor people down. But at some point, I realized that everyone gets hit pretty hard. If you make more, it's still painful but you can at least pay your rent and basic bills without losing sleep. And once I realized that, I wasn't so angry anymore...and I found ways to put myself in the position of not losing sleep.



I hope this didn't come off as a lecture. That wasn't my intent. I just wanted you to know that others have been there before you, and it's very possible to get out of this position. :)
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crikey here in Canada I suspect that would go totally against our privacy act.
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ScoupeSlave wrote: Alright... well I had a few things that i have wanted to vent about... tell me what you think...

I have been trying to get a new job, right? And I end up getting hired. But for my background check, they have to check my credit... well that put me on pins and needles because i have horrible credit... I asked why they checked credit and they told me that people with bad credit may be a liability. That they are more likely to steal from the company and all kinds of bs like that....

what makes me mad about this is that, if you have bad credit, you are out there looking for a job to pay off your debt. But you can be denied because you have bad credit. It is not only the poor that steal. I think that the poor people are more loyal to a place that gives them a job because they are thankful for the job. Look at the Enron scandel in Atlanta. Those people stole millions of dollars.... and they were worth millions of dollars before they even did it. wtf??? and now you can't even get a job at mcdonalds without having a credit check done.......

At my bank now, they have a new policy... if your bank is negative for any amount of time, they charge you $6.00 a day.... $6.00 a day?? don't you think that is a bit overkill?? they are charging you for having no money...... I just don't understand this... it really sucks.

I am just so tired of the little person being kicked down all the time. Not everyone can have nice cushy big paying jobs. A lot of people are struggling just to put food on the table and make rent every month. I am just so over the crap that most people have to go through to get ahead. My fiance and I have been working our asses off for almost two years now and we are so far in debt and we can't get a decent job. I mean i work at a car parts store and he works at a strip club as a bouncer...... I am just ready to scream over the whole situation!!!!! grrrrr!!

But that was just my two cents!!!

-SS


SS- sorry things are so tough for you right now, but they will eventually get better.

Like AK said, try not to make any new debts for a while, that is difficult we know but necessary for your situation to ever get better. Before I retired, I used to hire

"temporary" workers at a high rate of pay, it was high because it was only a 4 or 5 month position and they were compensated for that fact. Maybe just for now, to help get yourselves out of major debt you may want to consider the higher paying "temporary" positions. In CT we have "Kelly Girls" that is a temporary placement agency for women, and Contractor houses like Universal, Bellcan, RCM, for both Men & Women. They must have temporary companies in your area also. It's just an idea, and some of these don't really do thorough background check since it's just temporary. Well Good Luck!

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ScoupeSlave wrote: I have been trying to get a new job, right? And I end up getting hired. But for my background check, they have to check my credit... well that put me on pins and needles because i have horrible credit... I asked why they checked credit and they told me that people with bad credit may be a liability. That they are more likely to steal from the company and all kinds of bs like that....

what makes me mad about this is that, if you have bad credit, you are out there looking for a job to pay off your debt. But you can be denied because you have bad credit. It is not only the poor that steal. I think that the poor people are more loyal to a place that gives them a job because they are thankful for the job. There are many people with bad credit who are not "poor". Some people just don't pay their bills or will acquire debt with no intention of paying it off. I think that the companies that require credit checks are probably trying to avoid people like this rather than honest folks who are just experiencing hard times. :) There may be certain things that employers look for on a credit report rather than just looking at the credit score. Personally, I don't agree with the practice at all but it is a reality we have to deal with. I hope everything works out for you and you are able to keep your new job. :-6 Let us know what happens.
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ScoupeSlave wrote: Alright... well I had a few things that i have wanted to vent about... tell me what you think...



I have been trying to get a new job, right? And I end up getting hired. But for my background check, they have to check my credit... well that put me on pins and needles because i have horrible credit... I asked why they checked credit and they told me that people with bad credit may be a liability. That they are more likely to steal from the company and all kinds of bs like that....



what makes me mad about this is that, if you have bad credit, you are out there looking for a job to pay off your debt. But you can be denied because you have bad credit. It is not only the poor that steal. I think that the poor people are more loyal to a place that gives them a job because they are thankful for the job. Look at the Enron scandel in Atlanta. Those people stole millions of dollars.... and they were worth millions of dollars before they even did it. wtf??? and now you can't even get a job at mcdonalds without having a credit check done.......



At my bank now, they have a new policy... if your bank is negative for any amount of time, they charge you $6.00 a day.... $6.00 a day?? don't you think that is a bit overkill?? they are charging you for having no money...... I just don't understand this... it really sucks.



I am just so tired of the little person being kicked down all the time. Not everyone can have nice cushy big paying jobs. A lot of people are struggling just to put food on the table and make rent every month. I am just so over the crap that most people have to go through to get ahead. My fiance and I have been working our asses off for almost two years now and we are so far in debt and we can't get a decent job. I mean i work at a car parts store and he works at a strip club as a bouncer...... I am just ready to scream over the whole situation!!!!! grrrrr!!



But that was just my two cents!!!



-SS
I'd like to be sympathetic, but can't. I read a lot of rationalizaion in your post, as a way of perhaps justifying your lousy credit habits. Lot's of poor people and people in low paying jobs have good credit. One has nothing to do with the other. And, from your attitude, I doubt you will change, even if you make 200 k a year.
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StelZ wrote: I would have thought that if you had a bad credit history an employer would be more inclined to take you on because he knows how much you need a job, and that you'll try your hardest to keep that job.. ?
If you have a bad credit history it could mean that you are not responsible with money or keeping your commitments. Employee theft is always a concern - and it's not just physical property that companies worry about.
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SS calm down and get a second job and if you need it there is counseling org. manned by volunteers usually retired business people who will help get you back on track, check your phone book

As far as the credit check for a job. I think you have run into what I like to call the curse of Higher Education.

Some people think there is a formular for everything including screening job applicants.

They've plugged in the formular and decided that they want a Born again Christian with atheistic leanings, (honest but still able to be dishonest if they require, )millionaire, complusive, janitor who can fill in for the CEO but still clean a mean restroom, who will never miss a day off. :wah: :wah:

Trust me something will turn up hang in there.
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I agree as well. Look at Martha Stewart..I heard she only stood to lose about $50-60,000 on that inside trade she did...and she's worth millions!

I can understand a bank charging you interest on any overdraft, at a little above prime, but 6.00 for any amount? What if you are overdraft by 1 cent? You should think about changing account type or bank. There are plenty of banks that want your business.
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The fact remains that people voluntarily sign papers agreeing to pay companies back for extending credit to them. If the people don't pay the creditor back, and get bad credit in the process, what does that say about these individuals? Trustworthy? Responsible? Willing to keep promises they make?

I'm not trying to be harsh, but that's the way it is. No one forced these people to sign agreements and take credit they had no hope of repaying.
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StelZ wrote: I love the way you put it - just had to agree!





I know for a fact there are also occasions where companies don't give you credit if you have a GOOD credit history.

If they know you're great at paying people back, they know they're not going to get anything out of you (i.e. interest) so why lend?I'm not sure about that...I'm thinking that lenders are legally bound to have a reason to turn you down. But I'm curious now, and will check it out later on. :)



I know people get into situations that are unexpected, and this can cause credit problems for some. I know others just take the credit offered to them and spend their hearts out. I know that divorce, illness, loss of job, etc all plays a role...but everybody knows that these things can happen. Don't take the credit unless you absolutely know you can repay it - and if you get into a bad situation, work yourself out. (that's a general "you")



I don't understand getting upset at businesses that want to screen their employees, and use credit history as one of those screens. Credit shows what kind of person you are. And I'll admit mine was trashed by my divorce - but that's MY divorce. I did it.

My current company did a credit check on me as part of my employment. All of my current bills reported "Pays as agreed" while the older stuff that was in both names sometimes reported that, and sometimes didn't. They weren't looking for perfect credit - they were looking to see if I'm responsible.



Maybe I just have a different approach on it because of the field I'm in. I will always be subject to criminal, credit, and drug testing, as well as references, verifying my education, and making sure I feed my cat. Joking on the last one, obviously. :)
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