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Perhaps, Bryn. I didn't read it that way, but the points remain the same, don't they?
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Nomad wrote: Lennox, it almost seems as if your just slinging mud because your looking for a reaction. I dont care if OJ is black, red or purple. The evidence overwhelmingly indicated he was guilty of a heinous shockingly evil crime. Crime doesnt even describe his actions. So 12 people found him innocent, so what ? That doesnt make him innocent. He got away with an enormously and conspicuosly satanic deed that rightly so haunts anyone with a modicum of human decency. Why on earth would you defend a pig like him ?
To be fair, Sweet Pea, it doesn't seem to me like he's defending him at all.
And I do think "Not guilty" is different than "Innocent".
Myself, I believe he did it, but I also have a tremendous amount of respect
for a jury, any jury. THEY are the ones who heard all the stuff, not me.
As much as anyone watched Court TV or whatever, we still did not get it
ALL.
Did you see the faces of his lawyers when the verdict came in? Kardashian
was looking around in total shock, and he sat right there.
I think it was Furman who said he wished he had said yes he did use
the "n word". Might that have made a difference?
Lennox can certainly speak for himself, but I think he was more along the
lines of why the heck we still talking about this instead of vastly more
important things.
Robert Blake DID "get away" with something, perhaps, he did. And
there hasn't been near the hoopla over that.
I do think that there is a certain amount of contributory factor to
Lennox posting this... I for one would NEVER have seen it or heard of
it unless he did.
I think it's very good we all talk about it, but the fact remains, we're
keeping scumbag at the forefront, now aren't we?
To be fair, Sweet Pea, it doesn't seem to me like he's defending him at all.
And I do think "Not guilty" is different than "Innocent".
Myself, I believe he did it, but I also have a tremendous amount of respect
for a jury, any jury. THEY are the ones who heard all the stuff, not me.
As much as anyone watched Court TV or whatever, we still did not get it
ALL.
Did you see the faces of his lawyers when the verdict came in? Kardashian
was looking around in total shock, and he sat right there.
I think it was Furman who said he wished he had said yes he did use
the "n word". Might that have made a difference?
Lennox can certainly speak for himself, but I think he was more along the
lines of why the heck we still talking about this instead of vastly more
important things.
Robert Blake DID "get away" with something, perhaps, he did. And
there hasn't been near the hoopla over that.
I do think that there is a certain amount of contributory factor to
Lennox posting this... I for one would NEVER have seen it or heard of
it unless he did.
I think it's very good we all talk about it, but the fact remains, we're
keeping scumbag at the forefront, now aren't we?
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flopstock wrote: The problem is that these two men(jackson and sharpton) are the ones that the media turn to for a reaction in every situation... why do you suppose that is? It's ratings and sensationalism, pure and simple. Rational intelligent discussion is not the objective..but rather to capture your attention and emotions. And we let it work, so they aren't about to try anything different.
And I don't personally have any problem with Lennox asking a mostly white audience(us), who he knows somewhat and likes somewhat, for our perspective on something that he pretty much has to view differently-in an attempt to gain some understanding of why 'we' think the way we do. And more importantly, to voice 'his take' on our views.
It would be a lot easier to step into the garden and be a neutral color. I don't think I've ever asked anyone what race they were in here. I honestly could care less. But knowing that he is black gives me the opportunity to learn and understand him and his viewpoint in a way we might not be comfortable with or as open to, in real life.
:yh_clap :yh_clap
And I don't personally have any problem with Lennox asking a mostly white audience(us), who he knows somewhat and likes somewhat, for our perspective on something that he pretty much has to view differently-in an attempt to gain some understanding of why 'we' think the way we do. And more importantly, to voice 'his take' on our views.
It would be a lot easier to step into the garden and be a neutral color. I don't think I've ever asked anyone what race they were in here. I honestly could care less. But knowing that he is black gives me the opportunity to learn and understand him and his viewpoint in a way we might not be comfortable with or as open to, in real life.
:yh_clap :yh_clap
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flopstock wrote: The problem is that these two men(jackson and sharpton) are the ones that the media turn to for a reaction in every situation... why do you suppose that is? It's ratings and sensationalism, pure and simple. Rational intelligent discussion is not the objective..but rather to capture your attention and emotions. And we let it work, so they aren't about to try anything different.
And I don't personally have any problem with Lennox asking a mostly white audience(us), who he knows somewhat and likes somewhat, for our perspective on something that he pretty much has to view differently-in an attempt to gain some understanding of why 'we' think the way we do. And more importantly, to voice 'his take' on our views.
It would be a lot easier to step into the garden and be a neutral color. I don't think I've ever asked anyone what race they were in here. I honestly could care less. But knowing that he is black gives me the opportunity to learn and understand him and his viewpoint in a way we might not be comfortable with or as open to, in real life.
Agreed, Brilliant flop!
And I don't personally have any problem with Lennox asking a mostly white audience(us), who he knows somewhat and likes somewhat, for our perspective on something that he pretty much has to view differently-in an attempt to gain some understanding of why 'we' think the way we do. And more importantly, to voice 'his take' on our views.
It would be a lot easier to step into the garden and be a neutral color. I don't think I've ever asked anyone what race they were in here. I honestly could care less. But knowing that he is black gives me the opportunity to learn and understand him and his viewpoint in a way we might not be comfortable with or as open to, in real life.
Agreed, Brilliant flop!
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Lots of good stuff in this discussion.
Racism is part of humanity. An ugly part but it's always been there and as I see it, always will be. We can try always to make it better but there will always be those who dislike another race because of various reasons. Why are we only talking about America? Ever heard of the middle east? Or China's hatred of white America? Or a myriad other instances?
Why are so many black people so knee-jerk when it comes to screaming racism!! when it involves a white person? That goverment employee whose name escapes me, who was stopped at an airport for not having proper security? Instead of taking responsibility for not being prepared, she bellowed "Racism!!" Why is that?
Please answer me honestly: do you feel it is accurate to say that many blacks get pleasure when a white person is killed or harmed or knocked down a notch? Why are we not also talking about this?
And Lennox, you did not offend me with your "N word." I knew how you meant it and I learned long ago that words are words. It's you who gives the power to them.
Racism is part of humanity. An ugly part but it's always been there and as I see it, always will be. We can try always to make it better but there will always be those who dislike another race because of various reasons. Why are we only talking about America? Ever heard of the middle east? Or China's hatred of white America? Or a myriad other instances?
Why are so many black people so knee-jerk when it comes to screaming racism!! when it involves a white person? That goverment employee whose name escapes me, who was stopped at an airport for not having proper security? Instead of taking responsibility for not being prepared, she bellowed "Racism!!" Why is that?
Please answer me honestly: do you feel it is accurate to say that many blacks get pleasure when a white person is killed or harmed or knocked down a notch? Why are we not also talking about this?
And Lennox, you did not offend me with your "N word." I knew how you meant it and I learned long ago that words are words. It's you who gives the power to them.
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RedGlitter wrote: Lots of good stuff in this discussion.
Racism is part of humanity. An ugly part but it's always been there and as I see it, always will be. We can try always to make it better but there will always be those who dislike another race because of various reasons. Why are we only talking about America? Ever heard of the middle east? Or China's hatred of white America? Or a myriad other instances?
See, that's what I'm talking about, we are worried about what goes on elsewhere before what goes on here. You can't go help someone put a fire out in their house if yours is on fire too.
McKinney is the woman that was stopped and I don't support "crying wolf" either.
As far as racism goes I KNOW that I've been the subject of racism but I don't let it bother me. I HONESTLY say that I don't see color. As far as things go, I wasn't aware of what the predominant race was on Forumgarden nor have I ever cared. I can't go just on face value and assume that because I'm typing to a bunch of "white folk" they won't get what I'm talking about.
As far as everyone's posts I would like to thank you all for making this one of the best threads I've ever been a part of. The sad reality is that we have all figured out a way to end racism but will anyone listen? This brings me back to a saying that I truly believe, "Those with the best ideas are never in charge."
Oh yeah, Nomad, I'm not a mudslinger. Onto another topic, I thought the purpose of starting a thread was to start a discussion. Am I wrong?
I don't take pleasure in any race being "taken down a notch", but with that being said there is so much frustration built up in so many that if they see someone that isn't the same color they will find relief. Think about how people felt after Bush went into Iraq. How many people were like now's the time for payback? I'm not saying it's right but a lot people look at any interracial crimes with a lopsided view and when their side gets off they do celebrate their victory. Once again, this is a time when I'm not looking at color. If you're not guilty then you're not guilty. If you are guilty go to jail. Just watch your back.
Racism is part of humanity. An ugly part but it's always been there and as I see it, always will be. We can try always to make it better but there will always be those who dislike another race because of various reasons. Why are we only talking about America? Ever heard of the middle east? Or China's hatred of white America? Or a myriad other instances?
See, that's what I'm talking about, we are worried about what goes on elsewhere before what goes on here. You can't go help someone put a fire out in their house if yours is on fire too.
McKinney is the woman that was stopped and I don't support "crying wolf" either.
As far as racism goes I KNOW that I've been the subject of racism but I don't let it bother me. I HONESTLY say that I don't see color. As far as things go, I wasn't aware of what the predominant race was on Forumgarden nor have I ever cared. I can't go just on face value and assume that because I'm typing to a bunch of "white folk" they won't get what I'm talking about.
As far as everyone's posts I would like to thank you all for making this one of the best threads I've ever been a part of. The sad reality is that we have all figured out a way to end racism but will anyone listen? This brings me back to a saying that I truly believe, "Those with the best ideas are never in charge."
Oh yeah, Nomad, I'm not a mudslinger. Onto another topic, I thought the purpose of starting a thread was to start a discussion. Am I wrong?
I don't take pleasure in any race being "taken down a notch", but with that being said there is so much frustration built up in so many that if they see someone that isn't the same color they will find relief. Think about how people felt after Bush went into Iraq. How many people were like now's the time for payback? I'm not saying it's right but a lot people look at any interracial crimes with a lopsided view and when their side gets off they do celebrate their victory. Once again, this is a time when I'm not looking at color. If you're not guilty then you're not guilty. If you are guilty go to jail. Just watch your back.
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"The sad reality is that we have all figured out a way to end racism but will anyone listen? "
+++++++++++ And what IS that?
+++++++++++ And what IS that?
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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The way to end racism is to learn about others. To teach others tolerance. Not to judge based soley on appearance. You will never find a racist that ignorant towards those they hate.
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That's a really nice thought, Lennox.
Ever been to the Middle East? Those people have been neighbors for centuries. Their religions are essentially the same....their language is essentially the same...their cuisines are essentially the same, their garments and houses are the same. They know one another inside and out.....
But they hate one another.
They do that because the've learned to love war and hatred and choose strife.
Ever been to Greece? Those people hate Turks. (see above for similarities.)
Ever been to Rwanda? Those people hate their different tribal groups, black against black. (see above, etc.)
Been to central Russia? Those folks hate the people who live in the "--stans." (See above.)
Been to Zanzibar? Those people hate Christians....(see above.)
I've been to all these places and more...you should hear some of the Nepalese Hindus talk about the Nepalese Muslims! You should hear the Bornean tribesmen (the Dayak) talk about the Japanese! Go to China and listen to THEM talk about the Japanese! You should also hear the Albanians talk about the Turks! Go to Istanbul's grand bazaar and introduce yourself as an American! See how they PRE-JUDGE you! (Quite frankly, I spoke Spanish there and passed myself off as a Costa Rican! I got better prices and better relationships with the merchants!)
Well, I could go on, but it seems that hatred/fear of "the other" is endemic to our species. We can let go of it LOGICALLY.....but on an emotional level, it's almost impossible.
Ever been to the Middle East? Those people have been neighbors for centuries. Their religions are essentially the same....their language is essentially the same...their cuisines are essentially the same, their garments and houses are the same. They know one another inside and out.....
But they hate one another.
They do that because the've learned to love war and hatred and choose strife.
Ever been to Greece? Those people hate Turks. (see above for similarities.)
Ever been to Rwanda? Those people hate their different tribal groups, black against black. (see above, etc.)
Been to central Russia? Those folks hate the people who live in the "--stans." (See above.)
Been to Zanzibar? Those people hate Christians....(see above.)
I've been to all these places and more...you should hear some of the Nepalese Hindus talk about the Nepalese Muslims! You should hear the Bornean tribesmen (the Dayak) talk about the Japanese! Go to China and listen to THEM talk about the Japanese! You should also hear the Albanians talk about the Turks! Go to Istanbul's grand bazaar and introduce yourself as an American! See how they PRE-JUDGE you! (Quite frankly, I spoke Spanish there and passed myself off as a Costa Rican! I got better prices and better relationships with the merchants!)
Well, I could go on, but it seems that hatred/fear of "the other" is endemic to our species. We can let go of it LOGICALLY.....but on an emotional level, it's almost impossible.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Diuretic, what I'm trying to do here is point out groups of people who will grab you by the collar and explain (with many "valid" reasons) why "the other" are worthy of hatred.
There isn't logic...it's just the fear of "the other."
Prejudice is prejudice. Well-meaning people begin threads on this board (and a myriad of others) about prejudice when they've no idea how/why it exists all over the world. So-called "Christians" have been hateful to other groups for centuries. while newly vocal groups of religious persuasion hate Christians and lots of "Christians" (those who follow the "judge not, lest ye be judged" creed) would cheerfully eradicate homosexuals.
As others have already pointed out in this thread, "whites" certainly aren't the ONLY ones who think and examine the world with pre-judgement!
I've no problem with agreeing that it exists...I just won't take an ounce of blame for "white against (fill in the blanks") because it's not solely a "white" problem. Instead, it's a HUMAN problem and someone had better address it, before the raidical Muslims use their religious "justification" to kill us all in our beds.
There isn't logic...it's just the fear of "the other."
Prejudice is prejudice. Well-meaning people begin threads on this board (and a myriad of others) about prejudice when they've no idea how/why it exists all over the world. So-called "Christians" have been hateful to other groups for centuries. while newly vocal groups of religious persuasion hate Christians and lots of "Christians" (those who follow the "judge not, lest ye be judged" creed) would cheerfully eradicate homosexuals.
As others have already pointed out in this thread, "whites" certainly aren't the ONLY ones who think and examine the world with pre-judgement!
I've no problem with agreeing that it exists...I just won't take an ounce of blame for "white against (fill in the blanks") because it's not solely a "white" problem. Instead, it's a HUMAN problem and someone had better address it, before the raidical Muslims use their religious "justification" to kill us all in our beds.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Lulu2 wrote: Perhaps, Bryn. I didn't read it that way, but the points remain the same, don't they?
I don't believe so - the first tends to cause more distrust and hatred whilst the second tends to lessen it.
I don't believe so - the first tends to cause more distrust and hatred whilst the second tends to lessen it.
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Lennox wrote: If Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were black would there have been such an uproar from the white community when O.J. was acquitted?I hesitate to post this but perhaps it's interesting and it's accurate - until this thread I was unaware that either Nicole Brown or Ron Goldman were white (though I was aware that Mr Simpson isn't). The English reporting of the case may have been reasonably color-neutral for me to have missed that either then or since.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Oh yeah, Nomad, I'm not a mudslinger
Ok. Its just that he should be tormented for all his days and that has nothing to do with his race, just his deed. Its not the kind of thing that just goes away. Perhaps I didnt give your post enough thought.
Ok. Its just that he should be tormented for all his days and that has nothing to do with his race, just his deed. Its not the kind of thing that just goes away. Perhaps I didnt give your post enough thought.
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Lulu, once again you are missing it. We have to figure out the method of racism erdication here before we worry about it going on anywhere else. I'm worried about what's going on half way around the world because I have issues to deal with here. You can't help or discuss someone else's problem if you are plagued by the same problem. I agree racism and know that racism is inherently human.
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When I was growing up in Batavia, NY, back in the 60's there were few blacks in our city, so I had no contact till I was in middle school. I met Kevin, and we ended up remaining friends through high school.
Sad thing was this..my parents were VERY racist, but it never rubbed off on me, much to thier dismay. Anyway,one day my mom and I were walking down main Street Batavia, when I ran into Kevin, my black friend from school. We stopped and talked for a few minutes about our classes and school, said good bye and moved on. My mom literally went into hystericis that I actually stopped and talked to that boy in public..and in broad daylight. What would people think!!???!! What if they thought we were dating!! I was so shocked I did not say anything at all.
Later in life I went to college for Social Work. Just before graduation my dad asked me if there would be a way I could tell my employers that I did not want to work with blacks or gays as clients!! Can you believe it??
Sad thing was this..my parents were VERY racist, but it never rubbed off on me, much to thier dismay. Anyway,one day my mom and I were walking down main Street Batavia, when I ran into Kevin, my black friend from school. We stopped and talked for a few minutes about our classes and school, said good bye and moved on. My mom literally went into hystericis that I actually stopped and talked to that boy in public..and in broad daylight. What would people think!!???!! What if they thought we were dating!! I was so shocked I did not say anything at all.
Later in life I went to college for Social Work. Just before graduation my dad asked me if there would be a way I could tell my employers that I did not want to work with blacks or gays as clients!! Can you believe it??
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Lennox, I'm NOT "missing it," and neither are you...when you say that racism is inherently human. Can we logically control it in ourselves? Sure! Can we "eradicate it here?" Of course not! Is it better than it used to be? In my opinion, it's a LOT better than it once was...but there's no way it'll ever disappear.
I'm every bit as worried about hatred against women than I am anything else. That's another world-wide problem.
I'm every bit as worried about hatred against women than I am anything else. That's another world-wide problem.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Lennox wrote: Deal with the problems at home before you go take care of someone else's.
While I don't agree with some of what you've said, Lennox, I agree with this comment 150%. Now I have to go read the rest of this thread.
While I don't agree with some of what you've said, Lennox, I agree with this comment 150%. Now I have to go read the rest of this thread.
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.