the Witch of Endor
the Witch of Endor
There is a very interesting story in the bible that concerns a certain witch that King Saul went to consult, before his battle with the Philistines. What I find so interesting, is that the witch was SUCCESSFUL in calling up the spirit of Samuel, the prophet. According to the scriptures, it really was his spirit! And he condemned Saul for doing it. What this tells me is, that there truly are people who are mediums. It gives credence to the art of magic. Astrology as well. The three wise men discerned from the star of Bethlehem, that a new king was to be born in Israel. And the priests of egypt were able to duplicate some of the ten plaques. So what has happened to all this knowledge?
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
the Witch of Endor
Some would say it is alive and well. I think only fragments of the knowledge exist in most people who consider themselves adept. And a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Especially if they dare to believe that they know "it all".
the Witch of Endor
I can agree with Raven on one thing. They are interesting stories.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Shalom
Ted :-6
the Witch of Endor
Ted wrote: I can agree with Raven on one thing. They are interesting stories.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary: “an account of incidents or events†or “ A statement regarding the facts pertinent to a situation in question†….can also be a fictional narrative shorter than a novel.
It's good to see that you’ve seen the light Ted.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary: “an account of incidents or events†or “ A statement regarding the facts pertinent to a situation in question†….can also be a fictional narrative shorter than a novel.
It's good to see that you’ve seen the light Ted.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
the Witch of Endor
Ted wrote: I can agree with Raven on one thing. They are interesting stories.
Shalom
Ted :-6
LOL! Ted, I believe what makes them interesting, is the fact that I believe they actually occured!
Unlike Moby Dick or Oliver Twist. (of which I have read both)
Shalom
Ted :-6
LOL! Ted, I believe what makes them interesting, is the fact that I believe they actually occured!
Unlike Moby Dick or Oliver Twist. (of which I have read both)
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
the Witch of Endor
It is an interesting "story" unfortunately not historical just as the previous story present by Raven is pure "story". It has truths to tell but it is in itself nothing more then a story.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Shalom
Ted :-6
the Witch of Endor
kalanu wrote: Do you know and understand the dangers of consulting 'wizards that peep', and do you know that what Saul did cost him his kingdom, and do you know that it was strictly forbidden to do what he did and that there was a death sentence on people who consulted witches or 'seers'?
The witch conjured the likeness of Samuel, and we know that the devil can change his appearance (note in the garden he was a serpent), and a likeness of Samuel does not the real thing make.
Will you read the whole story and get back to me? Thank you.
Ooops. Guess I'll lose my kingdom. What a damn shame that'll be. LOL.
The witch conjured the likeness of Samuel, and we know that the devil can change his appearance (note in the garden he was a serpent), and a likeness of Samuel does not the real thing make.
Will you read the whole story and get back to me? Thank you.
Ooops. Guess I'll lose my kingdom. What a damn shame that'll be. LOL.
the Witch of Endor
kalanu wrote: Do you know and understand the dangers of consulting 'wizards that peep', and do you know that what Saul did cost him his kingdom, and do you know that it was strictly forbidden to do what he did and that there was a death sentence on people who consulted witches or 'seers'?
The witch conjured the likeness of Samuel, and we know that the devil can change his appearance (note in the garden he was a serpent), and a likeness of Samuel does not the real thing make.
Will you read the whole story and get back to me? Thank you.
Oh for petes sake! I HAVE read the story! It's I Samuel 28:7! In MY bible there is NO doubt as to whom the woman called up! I think you need to read it again.
Yes I'm TOTALLY aware of the consequences and SO WAS SAUL! Yes I'm aware of what is forbidden! I'm not in the habit of consulting seers or wizards. My whole point was to discuss an ancient Babylonian religion that seems to have had some real substance to it. So you can climb off that 'high' horse and quit pointing a finger at me. I'm trying to have a conversation thats thought provoking and informative. I'm discussing true occurances and not some 'slight of hand tricks' by the charlatans of today. These people did some amazing things. I'm sorry that you cant appreciate it.
The witch conjured the likeness of Samuel, and we know that the devil can change his appearance (note in the garden he was a serpent), and a likeness of Samuel does not the real thing make.
Will you read the whole story and get back to me? Thank you.
Oh for petes sake! I HAVE read the story! It's I Samuel 28:7! In MY bible there is NO doubt as to whom the woman called up! I think you need to read it again.
Yes I'm TOTALLY aware of the consequences and SO WAS SAUL! Yes I'm aware of what is forbidden! I'm not in the habit of consulting seers or wizards. My whole point was to discuss an ancient Babylonian religion that seems to have had some real substance to it. So you can climb off that 'high' horse and quit pointing a finger at me. I'm trying to have a conversation thats thought provoking and informative. I'm discussing true occurances and not some 'slight of hand tricks' by the charlatans of today. These people did some amazing things. I'm sorry that you cant appreciate it.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
the Witch of Endor
Ted wrote: It is an interesting "story" unfortunately not historical just as the previous story present by Raven is pure "story". It has truths to tell but it is in itself nothing more then a story.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Yes Ted........we all know that you think the bible is fiction.....almost as good as oliver twist, even! :driving:
Shalom
Ted :-6
Yes Ted........we all know that you think the bible is fiction.....almost as good as oliver twist, even! :driving:
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
the Witch of Endor
Raven :-6
That you think that I think the Bible is pure fiction is simply a misunderstanding on your part. I likened it to "Oliver Twist" in order to show that while Dickens' book is a novel, pure fiction it presents much truth about life in his era. That is hardly the same thing as saying the Bible is a novel like any pocket novel by Koontz or someone else.
In the sacred scriptures myth, legend, poetry, short story, fiction etc all have a specific purpose. They can all present profound truths and in many cases better then historical writings. The whole nature of Haggadah Midrash is a very precise way of presenting spiritual truths. I guess until you really give some thought to what I am saying you will never really understand. For me it has been the greatest boost to the Bible that ever happened.
That you would suggest that I think the Bible is cheap fiction is simply an error. You are wrong.
Shalom
Ted :-6
That you think that I think the Bible is pure fiction is simply a misunderstanding on your part. I likened it to "Oliver Twist" in order to show that while Dickens' book is a novel, pure fiction it presents much truth about life in his era. That is hardly the same thing as saying the Bible is a novel like any pocket novel by Koontz or someone else.
In the sacred scriptures myth, legend, poetry, short story, fiction etc all have a specific purpose. They can all present profound truths and in many cases better then historical writings. The whole nature of Haggadah Midrash is a very precise way of presenting spiritual truths. I guess until you really give some thought to what I am saying you will never really understand. For me it has been the greatest boost to the Bible that ever happened.
That you would suggest that I think the Bible is cheap fiction is simply an error. You are wrong.
Shalom
Ted :-6
the Witch of Endor
Raven wrote: Oh for petes sake! I HAVE read the story! It's I Samuel 28:7! In MY bible there is NO doubt as to whom the woman called up! I think you need to read it again.
Yes I'm TOTALLY aware of the consequences and SO WAS SAUL! Yes I'm aware of what is forbidden! I'm not in the habit of consulting seers or wizards. My whole point was to discuss an ancient Babylonian religion that seems to have had some real substance to it. So you can climb off that 'high' horse and quit pointing a finger at me. I'm trying to have a conversation thats thought provoking and informative. I'm discussing true occurances and not some 'slight of hand tricks' by the charlatans of today. These people did some amazing things. I'm sorry that you cant appreciate it.
I'm glad someone else finds this man annoying.
Yes I'm TOTALLY aware of the consequences and SO WAS SAUL! Yes I'm aware of what is forbidden! I'm not in the habit of consulting seers or wizards. My whole point was to discuss an ancient Babylonian religion that seems to have had some real substance to it. So you can climb off that 'high' horse and quit pointing a finger at me. I'm trying to have a conversation thats thought provoking and informative. I'm discussing true occurances and not some 'slight of hand tricks' by the charlatans of today. These people did some amazing things. I'm sorry that you cant appreciate it.
I'm glad someone else finds this man annoying.
the Witch of Endor
Lol :-6
the Witch of Endor
Ted wrote: Raven :-6
That you think that I think the Bible is pure fiction is simply a misunderstanding on your part. I likened it to "Oliver Twist" in order to show that while Dickens' book is a novel, pure fiction it presents much truth about life in his era. That is hardly the same thing as saying the Bible is a novel like any pocket novel by Koontz or someone else.
In the sacred scriptures myth, legend, poetry, short story, fiction etc all have a specific purpose. They can all present profound truths and in many cases better then historical writings. The whole nature of Haggadah Midrash is a very precise way of presenting spiritual truths. I guess until you really give some thought to what I am saying you will never really understand. For me it has been the greatest boost to the Bible that ever happened.
That you would suggest that I think the Bible is cheap fiction is simply an error. You are wrong.
Shalom
Ted :-6Sorry ted. I know that you dont think the bible is cheap fiction. Just so you understand me a little better, I'll explain.
I was just taking a good natured poke! It's just my sense of humor....... :-6
I do understand how you come to your conclusions, but try and understand how others come to theirs....please? There are quite a few folks here that understand the method of midrashic presentation, myself included. But as far as scripture is concerned, the bible itself tells you what it is. If it's poetry, it tells you. If it's parable, it tells you. If the meaning is clear, precise and TRUE , it usually begins with a verily, verily. Please understand that I hold the highest regard for you. I just simply cant agree with you, most of the time. :-6
That you think that I think the Bible is pure fiction is simply a misunderstanding on your part. I likened it to "Oliver Twist" in order to show that while Dickens' book is a novel, pure fiction it presents much truth about life in his era. That is hardly the same thing as saying the Bible is a novel like any pocket novel by Koontz or someone else.
In the sacred scriptures myth, legend, poetry, short story, fiction etc all have a specific purpose. They can all present profound truths and in many cases better then historical writings. The whole nature of Haggadah Midrash is a very precise way of presenting spiritual truths. I guess until you really give some thought to what I am saying you will never really understand. For me it has been the greatest boost to the Bible that ever happened.
That you would suggest that I think the Bible is cheap fiction is simply an error. You are wrong.
Shalom
Ted :-6Sorry ted. I know that you dont think the bible is cheap fiction. Just so you understand me a little better, I'll explain.
I was just taking a good natured poke! It's just my sense of humor....... :-6
I do understand how you come to your conclusions, but try and understand how others come to theirs....please? There are quite a few folks here that understand the method of midrashic presentation, myself included. But as far as scripture is concerned, the bible itself tells you what it is. If it's poetry, it tells you. If it's parable, it tells you. If the meaning is clear, precise and TRUE , it usually begins with a verily, verily. Please understand that I hold the highest regard for you. I just simply cant agree with you, most of the time. :-6
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
the Witch of Endor
koan wrote:
I'm glad someone else finds this man annoying.
I'm glad it's not just me, then! Besides.......I havent been here long enough to be considered cliquey in any way!
At 42 years old, I can tell you it's been a while since I've been lectured at! (I think it was my mother doing the lecturing!)
I'm glad someone else finds this man annoying.
I'm glad it's not just me, then! Besides.......I havent been here long enough to be considered cliquey in any way!
At 42 years old, I can tell you it's been a while since I've been lectured at! (I think it was my mother doing the lecturing!)~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
the Witch of Endor
Raven :-6
I do understand. I've been there and done that.
Not a problem. I too enjoy a good debate and like it the way it is here. It drives me to my books and my theological friends thus increasing my own fund of knowledge. I've just signed up to take a summer course at the Vancouver School of Theology. I'm hoping to spend a week with Dr. Matthew Fox a well known scholar and theologian. I spent some time last summer with Dr. Marcus Borg.
I think you are wrong about one point: haggadah midrash. It does not announce itself that is the very nature of the writing.
Actually I have no problem with those who wish to follow the more traditional paradigm. All I ask is that they recognize that there are others equally sincere and Christian who accept the emerging paradigm.
Nevertheless lets carry on. I wouldn't want my reputation ruined. LOL.
Shalom
Ted :-6
I do understand. I've been there and done that.
Not a problem. I too enjoy a good debate and like it the way it is here. It drives me to my books and my theological friends thus increasing my own fund of knowledge. I've just signed up to take a summer course at the Vancouver School of Theology. I'm hoping to spend a week with Dr. Matthew Fox a well known scholar and theologian. I spent some time last summer with Dr. Marcus Borg.
I think you are wrong about one point: haggadah midrash. It does not announce itself that is the very nature of the writing.
Actually I have no problem with those who wish to follow the more traditional paradigm. All I ask is that they recognize that there are others equally sincere and Christian who accept the emerging paradigm.
Nevertheless lets carry on. I wouldn't want my reputation ruined. LOL.
Shalom
Ted :-6
the Witch of Endor
I'm going to look for a couple of books this weekend, that I used to have in my library. I look forward to many discussions with you. :yh_bigsmi So you better brush up. LOL!
Raven
Raven
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~