Fascism.
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Adam Zapple
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Fascism.
I know I should just ignore this thread, but I'm really interested to know what you are ingesting 'cause America doesn't come close to fitting that bill....and you know it.
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Adam Zapple
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Fascism.
hypocrisy = fascism?
OK, let's discuss. You say America fits the bill. Be more specific. Wallace is referring to a particular movement in the U.S. during the war. You are referring to what? Whom? What part of this article do you think describes America? All of it? Inquiring minds want to know.
OK, let's discuss. You say America fits the bill. Be more specific. Wallace is referring to a particular movement in the U.S. during the war. You are referring to what? Whom? What part of this article do you think describes America? All of it? Inquiring minds want to know.
Fascism.
That article was written in 1944. How do you think it relates to today?
Fascism.
You must be talking about Fox News Network, eh, eh, eh...
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.
Fascism.
Scrat wrote: By comparison? History is a reference.
What's the point AZ? I do believe that our words will drop dead at our feet.
Perhaps you can prove that we are not a facist nation.
You're the one raising the issue. How about outlining why you think the US is a fascist nation in the first place.
What you are asking AZ is a bit like asking someone to prove themselves innocent of a crime when they haven't commited it in the first place. He doesn't have to make a case, you do then maybe he can answer it. As a non american I want to watch.
What's the point AZ? I do believe that our words will drop dead at our feet.
Perhaps you can prove that we are not a facist nation.
You're the one raising the issue. How about outlining why you think the US is a fascist nation in the first place.
What you are asking AZ is a bit like asking someone to prove themselves innocent of a crime when they haven't commited it in the first place. He doesn't have to make a case, you do then maybe he can answer it. As a non american I want to watch.
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Adam Zapple
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Fascism.
Scrat wrote: By comparison? History is a reference.
What's the point AZ? I do believe that our words will drop dead at our feet.
Perhaps you can prove that we are not a facist nation.
Well, that's convenient isn't it. You make an absurd assertion and then want me to disprove it. If you don't want to discuss it, why did you post the article? Or were you hoping to only hear from those who would say "Right on, Scrat, I love all your posts." If you were just trying to be inflammatory and can't really back up your claim then just say so.
What's the point AZ? I do believe that our words will drop dead at our feet.
Perhaps you can prove that we are not a facist nation.
Well, that's convenient isn't it. You make an absurd assertion and then want me to disprove it. If you don't want to discuss it, why did you post the article? Or were you hoping to only hear from those who would say "Right on, Scrat, I love all your posts." If you were just trying to be inflammatory and can't really back up your claim then just say so.
Fascism.
Let's try a dictionary boys.
fas‧cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
The US meets none of the above criteria..
fas‧cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
The US meets none of the above criteria..
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.
Fascism.
just to stir things up a bit.
im·pe·ri·al·ism (m-pîr--lzm) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "imperialism" [P]
n.
1. The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.
2. The system, policies, or practices of such a government.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
im·pe·ri·al·ism (m-pîr--lzm) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "imperialism" [P]
n.
1. The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.
2. The system, policies, or practices of such a government.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Fascism.
Scrat has a book to back him up:
Modern Fascism
Liquidating the Judeo-Christian Worldview
Gene Edward Veith, Jr.
The claim made by Veith [is that] the unifying principle that enables him to make his case that fascism was not only not destroyed, it has continued to thrive and flourish in that it provides a philosophical framework those who would pursue the liquidation of the Judeo-Christian worldview—a goal that most of us would agree is high on the cultural agenda in these postmodern times. As you puzzle over the resurgence of paganism, the satisfaction that our culture takes in the slaughter of forty million unborn children, the developing ethic that will grant continuing life only to those whose “quality of life merits such, the pragmatism that approves of our bending the rest of the world to our will simply because we have the power to do so, the suspicion of anyone who appears to question any aspect of the American Way of Life, the hope with which the evangelical community looks to its Commander in Chief to handle a situation which they are certain that God Himself was incapable of preventing—as you puzzle over these things, consider that they are all manifestations of the fascist philosophy, and as such are part of an ongoing effort to eradicate Christian thought from society. These are scary thoughts, scary in large part because they sound like the ravings we associate with the lunatic fringe, a fringe we hesitate to associate ourselves with. Which makes it all the more imperative that you study Modern Fascism and come to your own conclusions about the validity of Veith’s arguments. If he is correct, then there is not only a project underway to destroy Christianity, but it is a project with which we may unwittingly align ourselves through an unthinking participation in the political life of our country.
I don't have a personal position on the argument. To me calling something fascist get the same reaction as calling it commie: :rolleyes:
But...it is worth looking at what the terms actually mean as opposed to what they mean as epithets
ETA: argh "not only not destroyed..." who wrote that review?
Modern Fascism
Liquidating the Judeo-Christian Worldview
Gene Edward Veith, Jr.
The claim made by Veith [is that] the unifying principle that enables him to make his case that fascism was not only not destroyed, it has continued to thrive and flourish in that it provides a philosophical framework those who would pursue the liquidation of the Judeo-Christian worldview—a goal that most of us would agree is high on the cultural agenda in these postmodern times. As you puzzle over the resurgence of paganism, the satisfaction that our culture takes in the slaughter of forty million unborn children, the developing ethic that will grant continuing life only to those whose “quality of life merits such, the pragmatism that approves of our bending the rest of the world to our will simply because we have the power to do so, the suspicion of anyone who appears to question any aspect of the American Way of Life, the hope with which the evangelical community looks to its Commander in Chief to handle a situation which they are certain that God Himself was incapable of preventing—as you puzzle over these things, consider that they are all manifestations of the fascist philosophy, and as such are part of an ongoing effort to eradicate Christian thought from society. These are scary thoughts, scary in large part because they sound like the ravings we associate with the lunatic fringe, a fringe we hesitate to associate ourselves with. Which makes it all the more imperative that you study Modern Fascism and come to your own conclusions about the validity of Veith’s arguments. If he is correct, then there is not only a project underway to destroy Christianity, but it is a project with which we may unwittingly align ourselves through an unthinking participation in the political life of our country.
I don't have a personal position on the argument. To me calling something fascist get the same reaction as calling it commie: :rolleyes:
But...it is worth looking at what the terms actually mean as opposed to what they mean as epithets
ETA: argh "not only not destroyed..." who wrote that review?