Philosophy means love for wisdom. That's it. That's the definition. No more,
no less.
As Koan brought out in another thread, where does the 'inspiration' come from in
this Universe to inspire wisdom in others.
If you want to raise this convo above the current level of conjecture and googled
references...
you will have to think beyond any of your current understandings... courage to
explore into thoughts of what you may never have considered as reasonable or
probable..by your own terms.
Those terms of life you have set for yourself resulting from your experiences that
have shaped your mantra and/or molded your thinking, and now guides your
thoughts of the world and life around you and how you deal with it all.
Go where no man has had the understanding of ultimate wisdom.
Think, as if you are the Omniscient God..., the so-called Alpha and the Omega.
Your first task...
1. How inspiring can you be to humanity, for humanity to even believe in your
existence.
How would you go about that task.
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this
time we live in...you want to
give humanity proof of your existence, and hope from the turmoil man has
wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
What would you do.
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Good task. 
I think one of the banes of intellectualism is the fear of being wrong. The creation of statements, an act of courage, often followed by mumbling distractions to dissolve the burden of proof and maintain the walls of safety. The aspiration to godship could feasibly stand in the path of the honest intellectual. The belief that it is better to be wrong than perpetually silent clears the path.
One of the things that becomes apparent quite early is that an adult, given the chance to ask God one single question (the role of God being played in this thread by ourselves) the adult finds their mind blank. And so it starts with a question. The focusing on one question above all others. Then follows by the ability to leave the question when it needs a rest. As in any endevour, the more passion there is for the subject the more likely the success. Questions are a dime a dozen but good questions are much harder to define.
I think one of the banes of intellectualism is the fear of being wrong. The creation of statements, an act of courage, often followed by mumbling distractions to dissolve the burden of proof and maintain the walls of safety. The aspiration to godship could feasibly stand in the path of the honest intellectual. The belief that it is better to be wrong than perpetually silent clears the path.
One of the things that becomes apparent quite early is that an adult, given the chance to ask God one single question (the role of God being played in this thread by ourselves) the adult finds their mind blank. And so it starts with a question. The focusing on one question above all others. Then follows by the ability to leave the question when it needs a rest. As in any endevour, the more passion there is for the subject the more likely the success. Questions are a dime a dozen but good questions are much harder to define.
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You are in charge, Koan. How would you get humanity to even know you are around?
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Elouise wrote: Philosophy means love for wisdom. That's it. That's the definition. No more,
no less.
As Koan brought out in another thread, where does the 'inspiration' come from in
this Universe to inspire wisdom in others.
If you want to raise this convo above the current level of conjecture and googled
references...
you will have to think beyond any of your current understandings... courage to
explore into thoughts of what you may never have considered as reasonable or
probable..by your own terms.
Those terms of life you have set for yourself resulting from your experiences that
have shaped your mantra and/or molded your thinking, and now guides your
thoughts of the world and life around you and how you deal with it all.
Go where no man has had the understanding of ultimate wisdom.
Think, as if you are the Omniscient God..., the so-called Alpha and the Omega.
Your first task...
1. How inspiring can you be to humanity, for humanity to even believe in your
existence.
How would you go about that task.
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this
time we live in...you want to
give humanity proof of your existence, and hope from the turmoil man has
wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
What would you do.
Elouise
I do not think that wisdom is something that is inspired but I do agree that seeking wisdom must be motivated by inspiration.
I agree that understanding and wisdom must be sought after but I do not think that we can reach a degree of wisdom by abandoning knowledge. I think we must take a critical attitude toward all knowledge and to our self also.
How to go about the task to “give humanity proof of your existence as you stated it. I would suggest the following statement that I take from my essay “September Scholar at www.septemberscholar.com:
I am not suggesting a stroll in the park on a Sunday afternoon. I am suggesting a 'Lewis and Clark Expedition'. I am suggesting the intellectual equivalent of crossing the Mississippi and heading West across unexplored intellectual territory with the intellectual equivalent of the Pacific Ocean as a destination.
no less.
As Koan brought out in another thread, where does the 'inspiration' come from in
this Universe to inspire wisdom in others.
If you want to raise this convo above the current level of conjecture and googled
references...
you will have to think beyond any of your current understandings... courage to
explore into thoughts of what you may never have considered as reasonable or
probable..by your own terms.
Those terms of life you have set for yourself resulting from your experiences that
have shaped your mantra and/or molded your thinking, and now guides your
thoughts of the world and life around you and how you deal with it all.
Go where no man has had the understanding of ultimate wisdom.
Think, as if you are the Omniscient God..., the so-called Alpha and the Omega.
Your first task...
1. How inspiring can you be to humanity, for humanity to even believe in your
existence.
How would you go about that task.
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this
time we live in...you want to
give humanity proof of your existence, and hope from the turmoil man has
wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
What would you do.
Elouise
I do not think that wisdom is something that is inspired but I do agree that seeking wisdom must be motivated by inspiration.
I agree that understanding and wisdom must be sought after but I do not think that we can reach a degree of wisdom by abandoning knowledge. I think we must take a critical attitude toward all knowledge and to our self also.
How to go about the task to “give humanity proof of your existence as you stated it. I would suggest the following statement that I take from my essay “September Scholar at www.septemberscholar.com:
I am not suggesting a stroll in the park on a Sunday afternoon. I am suggesting a 'Lewis and Clark Expedition'. I am suggesting the intellectual equivalent of crossing the Mississippi and heading West across unexplored intellectual territory with the intellectual equivalent of the Pacific Ocean as a destination.
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koan wrote: Good task.
I think one of the banes of intellectualism is the fear of being wrong. The creation of statements, an act of courage, often followed by mumbling distractions to dissolve the burden of proof and maintain the walls of safety. The aspiration to godship could feasibly stand in the path of the honest intellectual. The belief that it is better to be wrong than perpetually silent clears the path.
One of the things that becomes apparent quite early is that an adult, given the chance to ask God one single question (the role of God being played in this thread by ourselves) the adult finds their mind blank. And so it starts with a question. The focusing on one question above all others. Then follows by the ability to leave the question when it needs a rest. As in any endevour, the more passion there is for the subject the more likely the success. Questions are a dime a dozen but good questions are much harder to define.
Koan
I have been thinking about this very same problem and am in the process of developing this post for the purpose of seeking ideas like the one you ask for. This is a beginning and is unfinished.
Dominate versus Dialectic
It appears to me that our human instincts are to dominate or to serve. I would like to suggest that we concentrate our critical skills upon seeking to focus attention upon synthesis.
When I read history I see primarily a dual human need exerting itself—we seem to have a two class social system; we have the few who dominate the vast subservient majority. The subservient take this roll because humans crave order and stability. Humans crave dominance and they crave order and stability. Is their a third way?
When we are dominating objects we are united in a common goal. Our unified goal is to dominate objects as much as possible and we have proven to be very good at it. When we try to serve both a roll as dominant and as subversive we appear to create a society that is constantly at war with it self.
I think one of the banes of intellectualism is the fear of being wrong. The creation of statements, an act of courage, often followed by mumbling distractions to dissolve the burden of proof and maintain the walls of safety. The aspiration to godship could feasibly stand in the path of the honest intellectual. The belief that it is better to be wrong than perpetually silent clears the path.
One of the things that becomes apparent quite early is that an adult, given the chance to ask God one single question (the role of God being played in this thread by ourselves) the adult finds their mind blank. And so it starts with a question. The focusing on one question above all others. Then follows by the ability to leave the question when it needs a rest. As in any endevour, the more passion there is for the subject the more likely the success. Questions are a dime a dozen but good questions are much harder to define.
Koan
I have been thinking about this very same problem and am in the process of developing this post for the purpose of seeking ideas like the one you ask for. This is a beginning and is unfinished.
Dominate versus Dialectic
It appears to me that our human instincts are to dominate or to serve. I would like to suggest that we concentrate our critical skills upon seeking to focus attention upon synthesis.
When I read history I see primarily a dual human need exerting itself—we seem to have a two class social system; we have the few who dominate the vast subservient majority. The subservient take this roll because humans crave order and stability. Humans crave dominance and they crave order and stability. Is their a third way?
When we are dominating objects we are united in a common goal. Our unified goal is to dominate objects as much as possible and we have proven to be very good at it. When we try to serve both a roll as dominant and as subversive we appear to create a society that is constantly at war with it self.
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Elouise wrote: You are in charge, Koan. How would you get humanity to even know you are around?
If that is the sole exercise, it is over quickly. If I was the Godforce, for lack of a better word, I wouldn't care to prove my existence. My existence would be something beyond what they were capable of perceiving in an embodied form. Their tendency would be to visualize my form and that would defeat the purpose of being known. Any attempt to prove my existence would encourage the concept of physical manifestation which I am not. If some went looking for me, they would find evidence but it would not be in my interests to entice them.
If that is the sole exercise, it is over quickly. If I was the Godforce, for lack of a better word, I wouldn't care to prove my existence. My existence would be something beyond what they were capable of perceiving in an embodied form. Their tendency would be to visualize my form and that would defeat the purpose of being known. Any attempt to prove my existence would encourage the concept of physical manifestation which I am not. If some went looking for me, they would find evidence but it would not be in my interests to entice them.
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koan wrote: Good task.
I think one of the banes of intellectualism is the fear of being wrong. .
Only the truly stupid are ever certain of anything .. and with certainty you can murder millions.
I think you are doing 'intellectualism' a great disservice if you are suggesting a good theory is of no value if not shown to be a fact.
I think one of the banes of intellectualism is the fear of being wrong. .
Only the truly stupid are ever certain of anything .. and with certainty you can murder millions.
I think you are doing 'intellectualism' a great disservice if you are suggesting a good theory is of no value if not shown to be a fact.
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Gygz wrote: Only the truly stupid are ever certain of anything .. and with certainty you can murder millions.
I think you are doing 'intellectualism' a great disservice if you are suggesting a good theory is of no value if not shown to be a fact.
Your response in agreement with my statement. I said that a person's fear of being wrong is a bane to intellectualism, meaning it blocks them from success. The statement suggests that people should abandon the fear being wrong. I think it would be ridiculous to demand that philosophy be provable.
I think you are doing 'intellectualism' a great disservice if you are suggesting a good theory is of no value if not shown to be a fact.
Your response in agreement with my statement. I said that a person's fear of being wrong is a bane to intellectualism, meaning it blocks them from success. The statement suggests that people should abandon the fear being wrong. I think it would be ridiculous to demand that philosophy be provable.
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koan wrote: . I said that a person's fear of being wrong is a bane to intellectualism, meaning it blocks them from success.
Perhaps but how would you measure success in philosophy.
koan wrote: The statement suggests that people should abandon the fear being wrong. I think it would be ridiculous to demand that philosophy be provable.
Since much of philosophy rests on shifting trends of opinion I doubt if anyone ever expects to prove anything ..
BTW .. why are you referring in this instance intellectuals as 'them'..is this out of modesty ?
Perhaps but how would you measure success in philosophy.
koan wrote: The statement suggests that people should abandon the fear being wrong. I think it would be ridiculous to demand that philosophy be provable.
Since much of philosophy rests on shifting trends of opinion I doubt if anyone ever expects to prove anything ..
BTW .. why are you referring in this instance intellectuals as 'them'..is this out of modesty ?
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LOL...why is everyone walking around the word wisdom, poking it, dissecting it?
Is there anyone here able to put his/herself in God's place...and decide to come forward and finally look through his eyes and consider the ways he would make his omiscience known?
This is an assignment. If you don't think, so very vehemently at a baseline level that there is not even an Almighty spiritual being to make himself known, you may excuse yourself from attempting the assignment completely. It's not your cup of tea.
However, for the unbelievers, it would be interesting to push your prejudices aside to read your reasonings as if you believe in such an Entity.
Is there anyone here able to put his/herself in God's place...and decide to come forward and finally look through his eyes and consider the ways he would make his omiscience known?
This is an assignment. If you don't think, so very vehemently at a baseline level that there is not even an Almighty spiritual being to make himself known, you may excuse yourself from attempting the assignment completely. It's not your cup of tea.
However, for the unbelievers, it would be interesting to push your prejudices aside to read your reasonings as if you believe in such an Entity.
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Gygz wrote: Perhaps but how would you measure success in philosophy.
I would measure it by recognition from my peers, such as the current awards that are given out to reward what is seen as success, or positive reveiws of my book, or being constantly requested for seminars and speeches etc.
Since much of philosophy rests on shifting trends of opinion I doubt if anyone ever expects to prove anything ..
BTW .. why are you referring in this instance intellectuals as 'them'..is this out of modesty ?
that's really interesting now that you bring it up. I hadn't thought about my use of "them". It did remind me of how I annoy the hell out of a friend because when I talk about negative societal behaviour I say "we". So when I'm speaking critically I include myself subconsciously and when speaking admiringly I say "them". Don't know why.
btw, lol on the edited edit comment. had me confused for a minute there.
I would measure it by recognition from my peers, such as the current awards that are given out to reward what is seen as success, or positive reveiws of my book, or being constantly requested for seminars and speeches etc.
Since much of philosophy rests on shifting trends of opinion I doubt if anyone ever expects to prove anything ..
BTW .. why are you referring in this instance intellectuals as 'them'..is this out of modesty ?
that's really interesting now that you bring it up. I hadn't thought about my use of "them". It did remind me of how I annoy the hell out of a friend because when I talk about negative societal behaviour I say "we". So when I'm speaking critically I include myself subconsciously and when speaking admiringly I say "them". Don't know why.
btw, lol on the edited edit comment. had me confused for a minute there.
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Elouise wrote: LOL...why is everyone walking around the word wisdom, poking it, dissecting it?
Is there anyone here able to put his/herself in God's place...and decide to come forward and finally look through his eyes and consider the ways he would make his omiscience known?
This is an assignment. If you don't think, so very vehemently at a baseline level that there is not even an Almighty spiritual being to make himself known, you may excuse yourself from attempting the assignment completely. It's not your cup of tea.
However, for the unbelievers, it would be interesting to push your prejudices aside to read your reasonings as if you believe in such an Entity.
I did, didn't I?
koan wrote: If I was the Godforce, for lack of a better word, I wouldn't care to prove my existence. My existence would be something beyond what they were capable of perceiving in an embodied form. Their tendency would be to visualize my form and that would defeat the purpose of being known. Any attempt to prove my existence would encourage the concept of physical manifestation which I am not. If some went looking for me, they would find evidence but it would not be in my interests to entice them.
Is there anyone here able to put his/herself in God's place...and decide to come forward and finally look through his eyes and consider the ways he would make his omiscience known?
This is an assignment. If you don't think, so very vehemently at a baseline level that there is not even an Almighty spiritual being to make himself known, you may excuse yourself from attempting the assignment completely. It's not your cup of tea.
However, for the unbelievers, it would be interesting to push your prejudices aside to read your reasonings as if you believe in such an Entity.
I did, didn't I?
koan wrote: If I was the Godforce, for lack of a better word, I wouldn't care to prove my existence. My existence would be something beyond what they were capable of perceiving in an embodied form. Their tendency would be to visualize my form and that would defeat the purpose of being known. Any attempt to prove my existence would encourage the concept of physical manifestation which I am not. If some went looking for me, they would find evidence but it would not be in my interests to entice them.
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Im inspired by the books I read. Especially the ones about the Southern Women that kick ass!
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Elouise wrote: LOL...why is everyone walking around the word wisdom, poking it, dissecting it?
Is there anyone here able to put his/herself in God's place...and decide to come forward and finally look through his eyes and consider the ways he would make his omiscience known?
This is an assignment. If you don't think, so very vehemently at a baseline level that there is not even an Almighty spiritual being to make himself known, you may excuse yourself from attempting the assignment completely. It's not your cup of tea.
However, for the unbelievers, it would be interesting to push your prejudices aside to read your reasonings as if you believe in such an Entity.
Given that I'm a traditionalist and that I'm also mean, I'd stick to dream revelations to the worthy.
Cassandra would count herself lucky.
Is there anyone here able to put his/herself in God's place...and decide to come forward and finally look through his eyes and consider the ways he would make his omiscience known?
This is an assignment. If you don't think, so very vehemently at a baseline level that there is not even an Almighty spiritual being to make himself known, you may excuse yourself from attempting the assignment completely. It's not your cup of tea.
However, for the unbelievers, it would be interesting to push your prejudices aside to read your reasonings as if you believe in such an Entity.
Given that I'm a traditionalist and that I'm also mean, I'd stick to dream revelations to the worthy.
Cassandra would count herself lucky.
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DesignerGal wrote: Im inspired by the books I read. Especially the ones about the Southern Women that kick ass!
Do I get an A?
Do I get an A?
HBIC
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DesignerGal wrote: Do I get an A?
Not yet. :wah:
Not yet. :wah:
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Bryn Mawr wrote: Given that I'm a traditionalist and that I'm also mean, I'd stick to dream revelations to the worthy.
Cassandra would count herself lucky.
Who is Cassandra? Secondly..."the worthy"....hmmm...
I was wondering more along the lines, since there was never a guidebook at this particular junction in time for anyone to ever quote....(part of the proposed scenario), one wouldn't have prior information about dreams...so that tradition is not even considered ...nothing has happend yet...no scriptures...no miracles, no understanding of a powerful creative force to reckon with....
How would you make yourself known to humanity (this includes qualities of this Spriritual being).....and be believable...?
Cassandra would count herself lucky.
Who is Cassandra? Secondly..."the worthy"....hmmm...
I was wondering more along the lines, since there was never a guidebook at this particular junction in time for anyone to ever quote....(part of the proposed scenario), one wouldn't have prior information about dreams...so that tradition is not even considered ...nothing has happend yet...no scriptures...no miracles, no understanding of a powerful creative force to reckon with....
How would you make yourself known to humanity (this includes qualities of this Spriritual being).....and be believable...?
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I did, didn't I?
Quote:
Originally Posted by koan
If I was the Godforce, for lack of a better word, I wouldn't care to prove my existence. My existence would be something beyond what they were capable of perceiving in an embodied form. Their tendency would be to visualize my form and that would defeat the purpose of being known. Any attempt to prove my existence would encourage the concept of physical manifestation which I am not. If some went looking for me, they would find evidence but it would not be in my interests to entice them.
Well, actually, you didn't play along...
....and why would it not be in the interest of the Omnipotent to entice them?
Quote:
Originally Posted by koan
If I was the Godforce, for lack of a better word, I wouldn't care to prove my existence. My existence would be something beyond what they were capable of perceiving in an embodied form. Their tendency would be to visualize my form and that would defeat the purpose of being known. Any attempt to prove my existence would encourage the concept of physical manifestation which I am not. If some went looking for me, they would find evidence but it would not be in my interests to entice them.
Well, actually, you didn't play along...
....and why would it not be in the interest of the Omnipotent to entice them?
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DesignerGal wrote: Why the heck not???:wah:
Because, I don't think you gave an actual scenario other than promoting yer
Southern Hospitality...
:wah:
I believe, the one with ultimate knowledge (wisdom) might have global rights...
whaddya think?
Because, I don't think you gave an actual scenario other than promoting yer
Southern Hospitality...
:wah: I believe, the one with ultimate knowledge (wisdom) might have global rights...
whaddya think?
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Elouise wrote: Because, I don't think you gave an actual scenario other than promoting yer
Southern Hospitality... :wah:
I believe, the one with ultimate knowledge (wisdom) might have global rights...
whaddya think?
I think that might be Jesus and I bet he wont post.
Southern Hospitality...
:wah: I believe, the one with ultimate knowledge (wisdom) might have global rights...
whaddya think?
I think that might be Jesus and I bet he wont post.
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1. How inspiring can you be to humanity, for humanity to even believe in your existence.
How would you go about that task.
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this
time we live in...you want to
give humanity proof of your existence, and hope from the turmoil man has
wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
What would you do.
Local Time: 08:42 PM
Local Date: 09-05-2006
I would do exacty what God DID.Absolutely everything speaks of beauty and design; order even in chaos.Clues to a deeper plan and meanings w/in M...( google~or other S E
The Elegant Universe of Brian Greene and patterns in nature and fractals for a start.)
Wendybunny psst LOOK deeper
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How would you go about that task.
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this
time we live in...you want to
give humanity proof of your existence, and hope from the turmoil man has
wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
What would you do.
Local Time: 08:42 PM
Local Date: 09-05-2006
I would do exacty what God DID.Absolutely everything speaks of beauty and design; order even in chaos.Clues to a deeper plan and meanings w/in M...( google~or other S E
The Elegant Universe of Brian Greene and patterns in nature and fractals for a start.)
Wendybunny psst LOOK deeper
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Everyone can make the world a better place!
Everyone can make the world a better place!
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sigh. ok. I'll try breaking it down.
Elouise wrote: where does the 'inspiration' come from in this Universe to inspire wisdom in others...(?)
this is question 1. In your assignment, it appears you offer the answer as "God". I accept that as the premise.
The assignment parameters:
think beyond any of your current understandings
explore into thoughts of what you may never have considered as reasonable or
probable..by your own terms.
but when I moved beyond the understanding that a human has...the physical world...manifestation stops being important. (elouise stamps foot and says imagine something else...and I accept that)
Go where no man has had the understanding of ultimate wisdom. Think, as if you are the Omniscient God..., the so-called Alpha and the Omega.
add to that the Omniscient God who wants man to know "it" exists
The assignment:
1. How inspiring can you be to humanity, for humanity to even believe in your existence. (?)
Infinitely inspiring, one should assume.
How would you go about that task. (?)
I do not exist in space or time so it is difficult for me to "go" in any sense. (I know play along) By the use of the word "inspire" I'll take it that the royal "we" wants to accomplish something good in the revelation. I would create an indestructible monolith that resonated with the sound of my voice. It is audible enough to be recognized as a voice and the harder one meditated in front of it, the easier it would be to hear me. It would repeat the words "I exist"
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this time we live in... It hasn't...they've all been written by humans based on their own interpretation.
hope from the turmoil man has wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
that's all one can do, really.
Did I answer it now? I chose one specific action because no two individuals can be inspired in the exact same way, it would be a waste of manifestation to create two like beings...and I'm not about to write out 5 billion responses.
eta: I don't know the other 1 billion. lol
Elouise wrote: where does the 'inspiration' come from in this Universe to inspire wisdom in others...(?)
this is question 1. In your assignment, it appears you offer the answer as "God". I accept that as the premise.
The assignment parameters:
think beyond any of your current understandings
explore into thoughts of what you may never have considered as reasonable or
probable..by your own terms.
but when I moved beyond the understanding that a human has...the physical world...manifestation stops being important. (elouise stamps foot and says imagine something else...and I accept that)
Go where no man has had the understanding of ultimate wisdom. Think, as if you are the Omniscient God..., the so-called Alpha and the Omega.
add to that the Omniscient God who wants man to know "it" exists
The assignment:
1. How inspiring can you be to humanity, for humanity to even believe in your existence. (?)
Infinitely inspiring, one should assume.
How would you go about that task. (?)
I do not exist in space or time so it is difficult for me to "go" in any sense. (I know play along) By the use of the word "inspire" I'll take it that the royal "we" wants to accomplish something good in the revelation. I would create an indestructible monolith that resonated with the sound of my voice. It is audible enough to be recognized as a voice and the harder one meditated in front of it, the easier it would be to hear me. It would repeat the words "I exist"
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this time we live in... It hasn't...they've all been written by humans based on their own interpretation.
hope from the turmoil man has wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
that's all one can do, really.
Did I answer it now? I chose one specific action because no two individuals can be inspired in the exact same way, it would be a waste of manifestation to create two like beings...and I'm not about to write out 5 billion responses.
eta: I don't know the other 1 billion. lol
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daBunnyWendy7 wrote: 1. How inspiring can you be to humanity, for humanity to even believe in your existence.
How would you go about that task.
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this
time we live in...you want to
give humanity proof of your existence, and hope from the turmoil man has
wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
What would you do.
Local Time: 08:42 PM
Local Date: 09-05-2006
I would do exacty what God DID.Absolutely everything speaks of beauty and design; order even in chaos.Clues to a deeper plan and meanings w/in M...( google~or other S E
The Elegant Universe of Brian Greene and patterns in nature and fractals for a start.)
Wendybunny psst LOOK deeper
Psst....you never had or have proof of a God, that's the scenario..
How would you get mankind to believe in you. What would you do. Think deeper.
How would you go about that task.
Think as if no guidebook was ever given to mankind to follow, but now, in this
time we live in...you want to
give humanity proof of your existence, and hope from the turmoil man has
wrought upon himself in this stretch of time.
What would you do.
Local Time: 08:42 PM
Local Date: 09-05-2006
I would do exacty what God DID.Absolutely everything speaks of beauty and design; order even in chaos.Clues to a deeper plan and meanings w/in M...( google~or other S E
The Elegant Universe of Brian Greene and patterns in nature and fractals for a start.)
Wendybunny psst LOOK deeper
Psst....you never had or have proof of a God, that's the scenario..
How would you get mankind to believe in you. What would you do. Think deeper.
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koan wrote: sigh. ok. I'll try breaking it down.
this is question 1. In your assignment, it appears you offer the answer as "God". I accept that as the premise.
The assignment parameters:
but when I moved beyond the understanding that a human has...the physical world...manifestation stops being important. (elouise stamps foot and says imagine something else...and I accept that)
add to that the Omniscient God who wants man to know "it" exists
The assignment:
Infinitely inspiring, one should assume.
I do not exist in space or time so it is difficult for me to "go" in any sense. (I know play along) By the use of the word "inspire" I'll take it that the royal "we" wants to accomplish something good in the revelation. I would create an indestructible monolith that resonated with the sound of my voice. It is audible enough to be recognized as a voice and the harder one meditated in front of it, the easier it would be to hear me. It would repeat the words "I exist"
It hasn't...they've all been written by humans based on their own interpretation.
that's all one can do, really.
Did I answer it now? I chose one specific action because no two individuals can be inspired in the exact same way, it would be a waste of manifestation to create two like beings...and I'm not about to write out 5 billion responses.
eta: I don't know the other 1 billion. lol
Yer thinkin' like a human. BZZZ ! wrong answer. :wah:
this is question 1. In your assignment, it appears you offer the answer as "God". I accept that as the premise.
The assignment parameters:
but when I moved beyond the understanding that a human has...the physical world...manifestation stops being important. (elouise stamps foot and says imagine something else...and I accept that)
add to that the Omniscient God who wants man to know "it" exists
The assignment:
Infinitely inspiring, one should assume.
I do not exist in space or time so it is difficult for me to "go" in any sense. (I know play along) By the use of the word "inspire" I'll take it that the royal "we" wants to accomplish something good in the revelation. I would create an indestructible monolith that resonated with the sound of my voice. It is audible enough to be recognized as a voice and the harder one meditated in front of it, the easier it would be to hear me. It would repeat the words "I exist"
It hasn't...they've all been written by humans based on their own interpretation.
that's all one can do, really.
Did I answer it now? I chose one specific action because no two individuals can be inspired in the exact same way, it would be a waste of manifestation to create two like beings...and I'm not about to write out 5 billion responses.
eta: I don't know the other 1 billion. lol
Yer thinkin' like a human. BZZZ ! wrong answer. :wah:
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DesignerGal wrote: I guess you're not hungry. I have two bags of tostito's. anybody else?
Daydreamin', didn't hear you...
*rattles plastic bag*..."nothing left...just crumbs..."..
I would like some of that Southern Hospitality Fanstasia stuff southerners stick in a jar with liquor and fruit and let it sit for days..damn good.
Daydreamin', didn't hear you...
*rattles plastic bag*..."nothing left...just crumbs..."..
I would like some of that Southern Hospitality Fanstasia stuff southerners stick in a jar with liquor and fruit and let it sit for days..damn good.
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Elouise wrote: Yer thinkin' like a human. BZZZ ! wrong answer. :wah:
come on! I get a prize, right?
i did answer it this time, didn't i?
come on! I get a prize, right?
i did answer it this time, didn't i?
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DesignerGal wrote: I think that might be Jesus and I bet he wont post.
Too humorous, not enough seriousness ....you lose, yer thinkin' like a human too.
BZZZZ! Back of the line, fer you, Magnolia!
Too humorous, not enough seriousness ....you lose, yer thinkin' like a human too.
BZZZZ! Back of the line, fer you, Magnolia!
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koan wrote: come on! I get a prize, right?
i did answer it this time, didn't i?
Prize? Not even close, presumptuous human!
It's a known fact, humans cannot follow directions. Too much to absorb at one time....
i did answer it this time, didn't i?
Prize? Not even close, presumptuous human!
It's a known fact, humans cannot follow directions. Too much to absorb at one time....
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of course I'd have to worry about the IDF bulldozing my monolith but if they did..."No kingdom on Earth for you!"
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koan wrote: of course I'd have to worry about the IDF bulldozing my monolith but if they did..."No kingdom on Earth for you!"
Wouldn't that be great to have a kingdom on earth just like the Prototype of
Solomon's reign...before he got too human without the thankfulness and went sour. Too many wives...
Wouldn't that be great to have a kingdom on earth just like the Prototype of
Solomon's reign...before he got too human without the thankfulness and went sour. Too many wives...
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Elouise wrote: Prize? Not even close, presumptuous human!
It's a known fact, humans cannot follow directions. Too much to absorb at one time....
That's why I'd just have it say "I exist". No point trying to tell them what to do.
When do we get to hear your solution?
It's a known fact, humans cannot follow directions. Too much to absorb at one time....
That's why I'd just have it say "I exist". No point trying to tell them what to do.
When do we get to hear your solution?
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koan wrote: That's why I'd just have it say "I exist". No point trying to tell them what to do.
When do we get to hear your solution?
Patience, my hasty pouting poster....there's time for stewing of the question to be mulled over by the wise...
When do we get to hear your solution?
Patience, my hasty pouting poster....there's time for stewing of the question to be mulled over by the wise...
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Elouise wrote: Patience, my hasty pouting poster....there's time for stewing of the question to be mulled over by the wise...
Well, if the solution has anything to do with stew or any other food stuff I, for one, will be preeeeetty disappointed.
btw, I walked into a monolith moments ago in the middle of my dark hallway. turned out it was the bathroom door left open but, for a moment, I was very inspired.
Well, if the solution has anything to do with stew or any other food stuff I, for one, will be preeeeetty disappointed.
btw, I walked into a monolith moments ago in the middle of my dark hallway. turned out it was the bathroom door left open but, for a moment, I was very inspired.
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Elouise wrote: Who is Cassandra? Secondly..."the worthy"....hmmm...
I was wondering more along the lines, since there was never a guidebook at this particular junction in time for anyone to ever quote....(part of the proposed scenario), one wouldn't have prior information about dreams...so that tradition is not even considered ...nothing has happend yet...no scriptures...no miracles, no understanding of a powerful creative force to reckon with....
How would you make yourself known to humanity (this includes qualities of this Spriritual being).....and be believable...?
Cassandra was the girl who was give the gift of true prophesy by her god and then cursed that she would never be believed when she used it.
The tradition I was referring to was more the traditional method of gods when faced with this problem rather than the tradition existing in the scenario described.
The phrase "the worthy" was used with mallice aforethought. The god selects those who are closest to the ideal (s)he is promulgating and sends them prophetic dreams and lets them know "the truth" by way of true dreaming - but gives no other indication of his presence.
The worthy are then left hanging out to dry with no backup - considered total madmen by all around but tasked by their god to spread the word.
As I said, it's a mean trick.
I was wondering more along the lines, since there was never a guidebook at this particular junction in time for anyone to ever quote....(part of the proposed scenario), one wouldn't have prior information about dreams...so that tradition is not even considered ...nothing has happend yet...no scriptures...no miracles, no understanding of a powerful creative force to reckon with....
How would you make yourself known to humanity (this includes qualities of this Spriritual being).....and be believable...?
Cassandra was the girl who was give the gift of true prophesy by her god and then cursed that she would never be believed when she used it.
The tradition I was referring to was more the traditional method of gods when faced with this problem rather than the tradition existing in the scenario described.
The phrase "the worthy" was used with mallice aforethought. The god selects those who are closest to the ideal (s)he is promulgating and sends them prophetic dreams and lets them know "the truth" by way of true dreaming - but gives no other indication of his presence.
The worthy are then left hanging out to dry with no backup - considered total madmen by all around but tasked by their god to spread the word.
As I said, it's a mean trick.
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Bryn Mawr wrote: Cassandra was the girl who was give the gift of true prophesy by her god and then cursed that she would never be believed when she used it.
The tradition I was referring to was more the traditional method of gods when faced with this problem rather than the tradition existing in the scenario described.
The phrase "the worthy" was used with mallice aforethought. The god selects those who are closest to the ideal (s)he is promulgating and sends them prophetic dreams and lets them know "the truth" by way of true dreaming - but gives no other indication of his presence.
The worthy are then left hanging out to dry with no backup - considered total madmen by all around but tasked by their god to spread the word.
As I said, it's a mean trick.
Yes...I understand your reasoning...ok.. however, now........
Fast forward to our future...how would you as God, make your presence known..
No one has seen the Omnipotent, the Omnipotent never made his presence known..
Much "philosophy" has now been written by humans all over the Globe, all through the ages.... guessing how they got to the "I think, therefore I am" stage...but still wonder how humanity got to be put on the earth in the first place....
Now you want to be involved in the human race...
how would you, as God make your presence known?
The tradition I was referring to was more the traditional method of gods when faced with this problem rather than the tradition existing in the scenario described.
The phrase "the worthy" was used with mallice aforethought. The god selects those who are closest to the ideal (s)he is promulgating and sends them prophetic dreams and lets them know "the truth" by way of true dreaming - but gives no other indication of his presence.
The worthy are then left hanging out to dry with no backup - considered total madmen by all around but tasked by their god to spread the word.
As I said, it's a mean trick.
Yes...I understand your reasoning...ok.. however, now........
Fast forward to our future...how would you as God, make your presence known..
No one has seen the Omnipotent, the Omnipotent never made his presence known..
Much "philosophy" has now been written by humans all over the Globe, all through the ages.... guessing how they got to the "I think, therefore I am" stage...but still wonder how humanity got to be put on the earth in the first place....
Now you want to be involved in the human race...
how would you, as God make your presence known?
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koan wrote: I would measure it by recognition from my peers, such as the current awards that are given out to reward what is seen as success, or positive reveiws of my book, or being constantly requested for seminars and speeches etc.
Populariy is not always a good indication of quality however you seem to view philosophy as and 'art' . I can relate to that.
Unfortunatly the world does seem to regard 'truth' as a matter of personal taste ..
More so in a world where increasing numbers of people chose ignorance as a lifestyle choice.
koan wrote:
btw, lol on the edited edit comment. had me confused for a minute there.
I hope you arrived at a satisfactory hypothosis as to why.. Just a simple mistake..
As to why my spell chack has packed up is perhaps more of a mystery.. hmm..
Populariy is not always a good indication of quality however you seem to view philosophy as and 'art' . I can relate to that.
Unfortunatly the world does seem to regard 'truth' as a matter of personal taste ..
More so in a world where increasing numbers of people chose ignorance as a lifestyle choice.
koan wrote:
btw, lol on the edited edit comment. had me confused for a minute there.
I hope you arrived at a satisfactory hypothosis as to why.. Just a simple mistake..
As to why my spell chack has packed up is perhaps more of a mystery.. hmm..
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Came up with a fun idea. I could arrange that any person who thought of God, by that or any other name, would instantly have an orgasm.
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koan wrote: Came up with a fun idea. I could arrange that any person who thought of God, by that or any other name, would instantly have an orgasm.
Church would never be the same again..
....and theology would hit the top shelf ..
Church would never be the same again..
....and theology would hit the top shelf ..
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Elouise wrote: Yes...I understand your reasoning...ok.. however, now........
Fast forward to our future...how would you as God, make your presence known..
No one has seen the Omnipotent, the Omnipotent never made his presence known..
Much "philosophy" has now been written by humans all over the Globe, all through the ages.... guessing how they got to the "I think, therefore I am" stage...but still wonder how humanity got to be put on the earth in the first place....
Now you want to be involved in the human race...
how would you, as God make your presence known?
I fully understand the scenario you're proposing and I still think that "by speaking to my people" is a valid response.
I was never one for the fire and brimstone and scare the sh!t out of the unbelievers aproach myself - a bit crass if you ask me.
Quite appreciate Koan's orgasmatron idea but you'd never get any work out of them.
If you're the God of gods then you've no opposition to bring down but toppling a few false idols might wake people up.
All in all, I think talking to the people - giving them a direct line inside their head - would do wonders once the shock had worn off. Look what it did for Saul on the road to Damascus.
Fast forward to our future...how would you as God, make your presence known..
No one has seen the Omnipotent, the Omnipotent never made his presence known..
Much "philosophy" has now been written by humans all over the Globe, all through the ages.... guessing how they got to the "I think, therefore I am" stage...but still wonder how humanity got to be put on the earth in the first place....
Now you want to be involved in the human race...
how would you, as God make your presence known?
I fully understand the scenario you're proposing and I still think that "by speaking to my people" is a valid response.
I was never one for the fire and brimstone and scare the sh!t out of the unbelievers aproach myself - a bit crass if you ask me.
Quite appreciate Koan's orgasmatron idea but you'd never get any work out of them.
If you're the God of gods then you've no opposition to bring down but toppling a few false idols might wake people up.
All in all, I think talking to the people - giving them a direct line inside their head - would do wonders once the shock had worn off. Look what it did for Saul on the road to Damascus.
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Bryn Mawr wrote: I fully understand the scenario you're proposing and I still think that "by speaking to my people" is a valid response.
I was never one for the fire and brimstone and scare the sh!t out of the unbelievers aproach myself - a bit crass if you ask me.
Quite appreciate Koan's orgasmatron idea but you'd never get any work out of them.
If you're the God of gods then you've no opposition to bring down but toppling a few false idols might wake people up.
All in all, I think talking to the people - giving them a direct line inside their head - would do wonders once the shock had worn off. Look what it did for Saul on the road to Damascus.
I absolutely feel your approach is correct . Simple, concise, direct to each member of the living human race...
Do you think when God does in fact, speak directly to every living human on the earth, you think he will be believed?
I'm still pretty amazed at the Hebrews with the mixed company that came out of Egypt, ... still being unbelievers after what they saw performed in their midst for their escape from Pharoah. Brings to question....Why do some humans need trinkets or a visible item to worship?
Did these individuals that perished for their disbelief of the one that saved them, why in such a great need for a golden calf.....a calf??? Knowing a living cow and their incredible stupidity and docility......why would they believe that would be an appropriate representation of an intelligent god that just used logic and wisdom and great kindness with destructive powers to save them from a cruel demise...under slavery.
Would it be a reasonable surmisal, then, God can really see what's in our hearts? These individuals that perished at Mt. Sinai, were not philosophers... never loved the wisdom and the kindness that was shown them, handed to them, based on the incredible actions of what was "Seen".....on their behalf?
We are expected to have faith on what is "unseen"....how much harder is it then, for us to believe in a higher power.....and for God to prove, he indeed, does exist.
Would there be a next step after talking with individuals directly into their brains...? I wonder how many people after hearing God run into his camp and begin worshiping him.
What would make this successful for God to have the human race know him and his ways....
Philosophy at work, folks.
I was never one for the fire and brimstone and scare the sh!t out of the unbelievers aproach myself - a bit crass if you ask me.
Quite appreciate Koan's orgasmatron idea but you'd never get any work out of them.
If you're the God of gods then you've no opposition to bring down but toppling a few false idols might wake people up.
All in all, I think talking to the people - giving them a direct line inside their head - would do wonders once the shock had worn off. Look what it did for Saul on the road to Damascus.
I absolutely feel your approach is correct . Simple, concise, direct to each member of the living human race...
Do you think when God does in fact, speak directly to every living human on the earth, you think he will be believed?
I'm still pretty amazed at the Hebrews with the mixed company that came out of Egypt, ... still being unbelievers after what they saw performed in their midst for their escape from Pharoah. Brings to question....Why do some humans need trinkets or a visible item to worship?
Did these individuals that perished for their disbelief of the one that saved them, why in such a great need for a golden calf.....a calf??? Knowing a living cow and their incredible stupidity and docility......why would they believe that would be an appropriate representation of an intelligent god that just used logic and wisdom and great kindness with destructive powers to save them from a cruel demise...under slavery.
Would it be a reasonable surmisal, then, God can really see what's in our hearts? These individuals that perished at Mt. Sinai, were not philosophers... never loved the wisdom and the kindness that was shown them, handed to them, based on the incredible actions of what was "Seen".....on their behalf?
We are expected to have faith on what is "unseen"....how much harder is it then, for us to believe in a higher power.....and for God to prove, he indeed, does exist.
Would there be a next step after talking with individuals directly into their brains...? I wonder how many people after hearing God run into his camp and begin worshiping him.
What would make this successful for God to have the human race know him and his ways....
Philosophy at work, folks.
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daBunnyWendy7 wrote: The Elegant Universe of Brian Greene and patterns in nature and fractals for a start.)
A brilliant book. But I still have trouble understanding Calibi Yau space.
A brilliant book. But I still have trouble understanding Calibi Yau space.
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Never heard of it. Any thoughts on the exercise, OM?
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This question you are asking Elouise requires a lot of deliberation before it is possible to answer. Assumptions must be formed if I am to assume the role of God.
In the first place, I don't see why I, as God, would wait this long before letting 'humanity' know that I (God) exist. And, I also have to ask exactly what you mean by the term 'humanity'. Can I be so bold as to presume that you are referring to the 4th definition given below?
Main Entry: hu·man·i·ty
Pronunciation: hyü-'ma-n&-tE, yü-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : the quality or state of being humane
2 a : the quality or state of being human b plural : human attributes or qualities humanities -- Pamela H. Johnson>
3 plural : the branches of learning (as philosophy, arts, or languages) that investigate human constructs and concerns as opposed to natural processes (as in physics or chemistry) and social relations (as in anthropology or economics)
4 : the human race : the totality of human beings
As an omnipotent God, I could simply implant the knowledge of my (God) presence in their minds, hearts, and souls.
On the other hand, I might have a different purpose for mankind. I might require them to learn of my presence through life's experiences.
What kind of God should I be. Compassionate, dispassionate, frivolous, purposeful? To answer your question, many other questions have to be answered first. And I haven't even peeled off a layer here.
In the first place, I don't see why I, as God, would wait this long before letting 'humanity' know that I (God) exist. And, I also have to ask exactly what you mean by the term 'humanity'. Can I be so bold as to presume that you are referring to the 4th definition given below?
Main Entry: hu·man·i·ty
Pronunciation: hyü-'ma-n&-tE, yü-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : the quality or state of being humane
2 a : the quality or state of being human b plural : human attributes or qualities humanities -- Pamela H. Johnson>
3 plural : the branches of learning (as philosophy, arts, or languages) that investigate human constructs and concerns as opposed to natural processes (as in physics or chemistry) and social relations (as in anthropology or economics)
4 : the human race : the totality of human beings
As an omnipotent God, I could simply implant the knowledge of my (God) presence in their minds, hearts, and souls.
On the other hand, I might have a different purpose for mankind. I might require them to learn of my presence through life's experiences.
What kind of God should I be. Compassionate, dispassionate, frivolous, purposeful? To answer your question, many other questions have to be answered first. And I haven't even peeled off a layer here.