Michael Jackson Case

samanthaguy · Post by **samanthaguy** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:31 am

O k I havent been paying too much attention to the michael jackson case but suddenly it has caught my intrest. I was wondering what you all think of the case? Is he guilty? Im pretty undecided since I havent been paying much attention. Just curious!

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:37 am

samanthaguy wrote: O k I havent been paying too much attention to the michael jackson case but suddenly it has caught my intrest. I was wondering what you all think of the case? Is he guilty? Im pretty undecided since I havent been paying much attention. Just curious!
some of the people's opinions are found in reading a thread about it in the music forum.

polycarp · Post by **polycarp** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:29 am

So what should a person believe regarding MichaelÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s innocence or otherwise of child molestation? In taking my decision I first of all considered the fact that Michael Jackson has a strong connection with kids. What does the megastar got with kids you may ask? Well it is said that his Neverland Ranch is a kidÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s paradise with assorted state of the art toys which no kid will visit and not wish to remain there permanently. According to Michael, he never enjoyed his childhood days (as he was busy making music) so now is his time to live the childhood that he missed. So as old as he is, he plays with toys and interacts with children as though he is also a kid. His Ã¢â‚¬Å“loveÃ¢â‚¬ for kids does not end at playing with toys but he also invites them to his bedroom and even allows them to sleep on his bed. I really canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t grasp what a kid will be doing on MichaelÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s bed. The whole thing really stinks as a personÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s bedroom is supposed to be a real private place for him and his wife (if married). In this regard, I in my humble opinion feel that Michael Jackson is guilty in spite of the fact that I love a number of his songs. You see, this is not the first time that he has been accused of this shameful act. Some years ago a family accused him of molesting their child but the case was settled out of court with Michael parting with some millions of Dollars. Now the same Michael is accused of the same crime again. I truly smell a rat though itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a matter of time for us to know whether or not he is guilty. In fact, Michael may even be acquitted considering his money and fame but in the deepest crannies of my heart, I feel the superstar has got some skeletons in his cupboard. ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s my personal opinion though!

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:49 am

Its all gone quiet over here on the Whacko front, whats happening in the courts?

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:59 pm

I was of the opinion that Jacko was being framed, but then, I heard Chris Rock the comedian in one of his routines, allude to the fact that he was a bit of a pervert. Just a joke or does he know something?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:59 pm

abbey wrote: Its all gone quiet over here on the Whacko front, whats happening in the courts?
they are in jury selection which may well be lengthy.......250 prospective jurors must be interviewed by the judge. then when the pool is narrowed down the lawyers on both sides will get to ascertain any bias. they have a certain number of presumptive strikes, they can let the juror go without cause. as to him subpeonaing his hollywood friends, he will clearly only call friendlies to the stand. it's meant to dazzle and blind the jurors with "star power". :yh_star :yh_star :yh_star

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:23 am

It amazed me that the guy could do an interview televised on american tv when they are doing jury selection, surely if by any remote chance that their is anyone in the state that has never heard about the allegations, they do now!! or are prospective jurors not allowed to read the papers or watch tv?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:30 am

the brashier broadcast was before charges filed. there is no-one on the planet that does not know about the case. all they need to be able to swear to is that they will decide fairly on the basis of the evidence presented in court. with no prior prejudice. but the brashier tape is being allowed in evidence. once, and if, they are sequestered, they cannot read news accounts. or discuss with each other. that is juror misconduct and grounds for mistrial.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:15 am

I did'nt mean the Martin Bashir interview, he did one with a guy called Geraldo Rivera & it was aired on Fox News early Feb, found the transcript on Whackos fansite. http://www.mjfanclub.net/news/index.html

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:27 am

that geraldo interview was a complete "fix". it was softball, and meant to be in jackson's favor. geraldo is jackson's friend . it was agreed it would all be to jackson's advantage. it wasn't journalism, it was a suck-up-festival. i have no idea whether it would be admissable. and i forgot the question! LOL.........oh, there is no restriction on prospective jurors, the court can't put limits on them until they are sworn.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:55 am

don't know why, but jackson was just rushed to local hospital. maybe his nose fell off.

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:26 pm

lady cop wrote: don't know why, but jackson was just rushed to local hospital. maybe his nose fell off. I just spit my Pepsi out reading this. Luckily I missed the keyboard!

:yh_youkid :wah:

From what I am hearing, some stars are being called to testimony to show suspect the family's credibility. It seems that the family was trying to get money out of people using the son's illness and his relationship to Jackson. I may be wrong, I try to avoid listening to this mess. Frustrating.

I do not know if he is guilty, my gut tells me yes, but I must try to remain open-minded and see what the courts say. If he is guilty, I hope he gets locked away for a very long time.

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:31 pm

archergirl wrote: How convenient!

Do you think he's buying time???
If this was a ploy, then it was a character assassinating one. Because of this, I think it is probably legit. If it got out that Jackson faked and lied about this, he would have a very hard time convincing people that he is being truthful.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:39 pm

there's a press conference coming up any minute. he is supposed to have the flu. but...every time jackson has had to answer to difficult situations he has fallen down from exhaustion, been on crutches from a spider bite, checked into a rehab, has panic attacks, blah blah blah.......this guy CANNOT face months in the courtroom hearing allegations. he is used to being THE GREAT AND POWERFUL with no one allowed to disagree or accuse. this is unendurable for the fragile nutjob. he does not want to face the music.

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:45 pm

lady cop wrote: there's a press conference coming up any minute. he is supposed to have the flu. but...every time jackson has had to answer to difficult situations he has fallen down from exhaustion, been on crutches from a spider bite, checked into a rehab, has panic attacks, blah blah blah.......this guy CANNOT face months in the courtroom hearing allegations. he is used to being THE GREAT AND POWERFUL with no one allowed to disagree or accuse. this is unendurable for the fragile nutjob. he does not want to face the music.
You crack me up. I am used to getting debated on everything I say about this and everything else. I love someone just telling it like it is in such a comical way. But yes, I think the same thing. I honestly don't know how he'll survive if convicted. I wonder how they will handle this trial and making him face it. Perhaps they should make him foot the bill for the costs that will be incurred everytime he is too frail to face the trial.

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:46 pm

archergirl wrote: You're probably right Beth, it just seemed a little fishy to me!
Well, to me, too, initially I thought he pulled a strunt, but if he did, he and his council are freaking morons.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:56 am

well he was 'exhibiting flu symptoms'...does not actually have the flu. will be released from hospital today. another hypochondria episode. he can delay, and will again, he is, after all, the ultimate drama queen...but sooner or later the trial will go forward. in fact, he could skip the country, but would be tried in absentia. unless the judge has the foresight to take his passport, i would not be shocked if he went somewhere with a no-extradition policy. argentina is nice this time of year. better that than risk a prison sentence...where there are no ferris wheels or plastic surgeons to silly putty that nose.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:43 pm

well he's back in never-never land....and the lives of the jury pool, the judge, the DA office, the court officers, et al , are all on hold until next tuesday. can't inconvenience the king of pop after all. anyone care to wager how many 'health issues' will assail jackson during the course of the trial? you read it here first folks...I PREDICT a 'nervous breakdown' requiring a years confinement at an "institution"....in Switzerland. :rolleyes:

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:48 am

God forgive me but I hope he has nothing trivial, seriously you can see where this is going, stand by for the "Jackson to unwell" to stand trial ploy, if that does not work on a physical level then he will try a mental plea of some description.

God how I would love to see the self styled "King of Pop" moonwalking his way into an 8 x 4 cell where his homicidal LA gang member cellmate is just waiting to make Jacko his "Special" friend

polycarp · Post by **polycarp** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:03 am

I really can't imagine Micheal in such a small prison cell. Don't they have VIP cells in American prisons?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:10 am

polycarp wrote: I really can't imagine Micheal in such a small prison cell. Don't they have VIP cells in American prisons?
sure...better known as isolation, or "the hole".

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:56 am

archergirl wrote: unfortunately, i think michael jackson will never have to go to jail. if you're a celeb, you get house arrest -- look at martha stewart!
Martha has done five months in prison.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:05 pm

no problem!

.....IF jackson is convicted on his charges, and he's still in the country, he will be sent to prison, the judge will only have some discretion as to how long. that judge needs to take his passport.

Der Wulf · Post by **Der Wulf** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:14 pm

Bothwell wrote:

God how I would love to see the self styled "King of Pop" moonwalking his way into an 8 x 4 cell where his homicidal LA gang member cellmate is just waiting to make Jacko his "Special" friend
We're taking up a collection to buy Jacko's new roomie some " jesus juice", contributions in any currency are welcome. There's also a rumor that in memory of his "neverland", his new playmates are preparing a tatoo "wheneverland" to be applied in some undisclosed location. :yh_hypno :yh_eyerol

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chicagolosina · Post by **chicagolosina** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:56 pm

:-5 Ugghhh! This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach! Jackson has been in and out of court for years regarding this stuff!

What`s even sicker is how the parents pimp out thier children to him, hoping they will be molested so they can make a whole lotta $$$ What parent in thier right mind would even let thier child near Jackson?

Before you "innocent until proven guilty" people get your shorts in a bunch, let me say this...if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..then it's a duck! If he ever does any time I doubt it will be more than 5 years, he will probably get a special cell built for him with video games, rides and a zoo and congugal visits for all his adoring fans kids!

Sorry, my vent is now over..but damn this stuff makes me mad!

vampress.rozz · Post by **vampress.rozz** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:56 am

I would normally not be swayed one way or the other about celebrity court cases until they were proved guilty in a court of law. But evidence asside as a mother a thought niggles at the back of my mind. I volunteer in a school and a cub pack. We have rules about not being left on your own with a child and no other adult there. It prevents any accusations. If my child was very ill and someone wanted to make them feel better by inviting them to this fantastic place. I would have thought they would invite the parent to stay with the child as well. This is an ill child and should be with the parents afterall. Anybody would want to prevent being labelled a paediophile, a shame so great. Especially if someone had cried this once before. If hes innocent hes also a moron for not learning a lesson and protecting himself better. What were the parents thinking? This guy has already been labelled a child molester and they didnt think to insist on sleeping in the same room as the kid? Is he guilty ? well we may never know but for everyones sake dont send your kids there. Give them plenty of love and they will appreciate it a whole lot more.

polycarp · Post by **polycarp** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:09 am

I really do not trust the superstar. This was posted by yahoo news today:

Accuser's Brother: Jackson Groped Him

Mon Mar 7,11:06 PM ET

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent

SANTA MARIA, Calif. - The younger brother of Michael Jackson (news)'s accuser described for jurors in graphic detail Monday how he twice saw the pop star fondle the child while the young boy lay sleeping in Jackson's bed at his Neverland Ranch.

The brother also testified that Jackson showed them Internet sex sites, gave them wine, slept in bed with them and appeared before them naked and sexually aroused at the pop star's Neverland ranch.

"Me and my brother were watching a movie and Michael walked up naked," the 14-year-old witness testified. "Me and my brother were grossed out. He sat on the bed and said it was natural," then left the room.

Speaking calmly, directly and unemotionally, he said the molestation occurred shortly after Jackson had shown the boys sexually explicit magazines that he kept in a suitcase in his bedroom.

District Attorney Tom Sneddon projected on a courtroom screen the covers of magazines including one called Barely Legal, which depicted an extremely young woman with her breasts exposed.

The defense has said Jackson had "girlie" magazines in his house but never showed them to children.

The boy said that after seeing Jackson with his hand in his brother's underwear he witnessed another episode of what he described as masturbation two days later. He did not state the dates of the incidents, which the prosecution says followed a February 2003 TV documentary in which Jackson appeared with the boy at Neverland.

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old cancer survivor at Neverland, giving him alcohol and conspiring to hold the family captive to get them to rebut the damaging documentary in which Jackson said he allowed children to sleep in his bedroom.

The defense is expected to attack the account as fiction designed by the children's mother in an attempt to get money from the pop star.

The courtroom was still during the boys's testimony Monday. Sometimes the boy spoke softly and had to be told to speak up, but he did not hesitate to answer questions.

Jackson's mother and father were present but showed no reaction. Jackson occasionally leaned over, put his hand on his lawyer's shoulder and whispered in his ear. Jurors listened intently and a few took notes.

The rosy-cheeked boy appeared to grow fatigued by the end of the day, yawning widely and rubbing his eyes with his hands. He faced more questioning by the prosecutor Tuesday.

The brother said that Jackson first brought up the subject of masturbation with him and asked if he ever did it.

The boy said he answered no.

"Then he said to me, 'Everyone does it. You should try it. It's OK,'" the witness said of Jackson.

He also told of Jackson conducting drinking parties with his young boy guests in which he served them wine and called it "Jesus juice."

The witness indicated he was surprised when he walked in on Jackson touching his brother.

He said he pushed open the door to Jackson's room and, "I saw directly onto the bed. I saw my brother was outside the covers. I saw Michael's left hand in my brother's underwears and I saw his right hand in his underwears," he said.

He described his brother as curled up and snoring slightly, and he said he saw Jackson masturbating.

Two days later, he said he encountered a similar scene after entering Jackson's home.

"I went upstairs. The same thing was happening but my brother was on his back. ... My brother was asleep. Michael was masturbating while he had his left hand in my brother's underwears."

The witness said he didn't tell his mother or his sister what happened, nor did he tell his brother what he had seen.

"I didn't know what to do," the witness said. "I went back to my guest room."

The witness said the first person he told about the incident was psychologist Stan Katz, who interviewed the boy and then notified the authorities.

The boy also described an incident in which Jackson grabbed a mannequin that he kept in his bedroom and "he pretended like he was having intercourse with it" on bed while fully clothed and laughing.

Jurors were shown a photo of a mannequin depicting a girl with braids.

As Jackson left court and a reporter asked him how he felt hearing the testimony, the singer said, "I'm sorry, I'm under a gag order."

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:32 pm

I think Micheal Jackson is going down. Weather he is guilty or not. I think it's tough For any child to remeber excatly everything that went. especially if it is traumatizing for them. Children couldn't make this stuff up. I just feel sorry for everyone involed. :-4

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:30 pm

Does anyone think this guy might really need a good theripist and some pills.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:11 pm

Michael Jackson's fall is sad. The fact his trial will be spattered all over the media for months makes it all even worse. I do believe he has been inappropriate with minors. I also think he is so disconnected with reality that he sincerely sees nothing wrong with what he's done. He is coached from the minute he wakes up on how to respond to the allegations. His security detail is just as guilty of the alleged crimes as he is. You just KNOW they were aware of the happenings at his compound! Jackson likely has strong sexual feelings for the very young for psychological reasons, and I'm willing to bet he's never hurt anyone- physically. Of course this kind of behavior is just not acceptable and he should be jailed. Intense therapy is also a must. The real story of his life will be fascinating to read. We won't see it for many years.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:35 pm

MICHAEL JACKSON has had serious mental health issues for the majority of his life. He has needed clinical help forever. He just may take his life. This is a SICK, SICK, SICK, MAN... He has lost control of his entire life due to his obsession with BOYS.. IT'S NOW TIME TO PUT A STOP TO MICHAEL JACKSON ONCE AND FOR ALL.. I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY BUT THERE ISN'T. HE NEEDS TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS.. THERE IN LIES THE PROBLEM..

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:38 pm

JAB wrote:

So what was going on yesterday? To paraphrase Tina Brown from her column yesterday: Is Michael crazy, or crazy like a fox?
My opinion? Crazy like a fox. This little snake knows exactly what is going on, he knows exactly what he did. All the fanfare and BS ailments and this "oh woe is me" attitude don't fool me for a second. He thinks he's untouchable because of his fame and millions, and now it's all coming down around his implanted ears. I can't wait to see him rot in prison.

His downfall is sad? His downfall is seriously justified and too long in coming. Lock the freak up forever. Suicide is too good for him.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:02 pm

I really don't think it's "crazy like a fox" to show up in pajama bottoms

at your court case for molesting little boys... way to throw the juror's

minds right back to where/when it happened!!

There is no defending him so I won't try but I will say, it's interesting

to hear an "insider" say MJ doesn't have back trouble. If it was

something like a pinched sciatic nerve, I'm here to tell ya that the

pain from that is excrutiating and debilitating and takes quite a while

to get over. About a month for an extremely physically fit person

like me. And the doctor told me there was no way to tell HOW I did it,

'cause I asked to try and avoid it in the future!

I think I will trust that jury to figure out what's up. And hope MJ doesn't

commit suicide after all this money has been spent on him.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:03 pm

I agree he could be CRAZY LIKE A FOX.. But you know what he is his own worst enemy.... :sneaky:

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. He is crumbling.... He doesn't have the maturity to go much longer with these cases... I think he is now on a slow spin and burn..!! Which I hope happens and he as you say ROT BEHIND BARS... :-5

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:56 pm

Less the wig and nose he will stand no chance in prison. He has to be making arrangements right now for a cocktail of something to end his life? He is breaking down, it is a matter of time. :yh_loser

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:17 pm

ok, today in the Micheal Jackson case, his accuser said that he told his dean, that Micheal jackson did not do anything, because he thought the kids would make fun of him. :driving: