Pinky:-6
I think you might want to revise that just a wee bit. Myths which are stories created to present truths do not need any historical basis whatsoever. "Oliver Twist" is a work of fiction but presents some powerful truths about life in Dickens day. Something does not have to be historically true to present truth.
Otherwise I am in agreement with both you and Galbally.
Legend, in archaeological terms is a story that probably has a grain of history somewhere in it. For instance the story of Noah is considered a legend. The Euphrates often flooded causing many deaths. I picture some poor farmer building a raft to save his farm animals. Then as is traditional with sacred writings the story was well enhanced over time.
Folk tale which is a part of Biblical writing is just that tales that tribes and groups made up and passed on orally.
I think we're all reading on the same page.
Personally I do find the whole topic fascinating. I guess that is why I've spent some 40+ years doing research on the topic. Still a lot to learn yet. We get too old too soon and too smart never. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Where are you Rainbow?
We are alike in our differences.
Ah! I believe the belongs in the oxymorons.
We are alike in our differences.
Ah! I believe the belongs in the oxymorons.miriam:yh_flower
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Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
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Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
weber:-6
LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Pinky:-6
Right on. See we are on the same page. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Right on. See we are on the same page. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Galbally
It doesn't hurt to hear all the different beliefs. It's just important to be able to have clear in our own minds what we need.
I think thats totally true, its actually important to hear different beliefs, especially the ones that you don't share as they challenge you to think hard about what you believe yourself. I don't dismiss religous ideas at all, that would be very foolish as well as being closeminded. I just don't have a religous inclination so these particular biblical stories don't hold the fascination for me that they seem to have for other people, but I do get interested in them sometimes.
It doesn't hurt to hear all the different beliefs. It's just important to be able to have clear in our own minds what we need.
I think thats totally true, its actually important to hear different beliefs, especially the ones that you don't share as they challenge you to think hard about what you believe yourself. I don't dismiss religous ideas at all, that would be very foolish as well as being closeminded. I just don't have a religous inclination so these particular biblical stories don't hold the fascination for me that they seem to have for other people, but I do get interested in them sometimes.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Galbally:-6
I too agree that we should learn about the faiths of others.
As a Christian pluralist I accept the validity of the other great faiths of the world. I do not find that a contradiction in terms of being a Christian whatsoever.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I too agree that we should learn about the faiths of others.
As a Christian pluralist I accept the validity of the other great faiths of the world. I do not find that a contradiction in terms of being a Christian whatsoever.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Erinna1112 wrote: Got a reference for that? I went to a very fundamentalist church, growing up, very strict on "is it in the bible?", and I don't recall any nine-foot high beings other than Goliath.
I think it's a recollection of Genesis 6 :-
6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
and also of reading a Von Danikenesque theory that this was a reference to visitors from space
Certainly I've seen references saying that the Sons of God were Angels.
Also references to the Nephilim :-
In the Torah and several non-canonical Jewish and early Christian writings, nephilim are a people created by the crossbreeding of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men". (See Genesis 6:1.) The word nephilim is loosely translated as giants or titans in some translations of the Bible, and is left as nephilim in others.
I think it's a recollection of Genesis 6 :-
6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
and also of reading a Von Danikenesque theory that this was a reference to visitors from space
Certainly I've seen references saying that the Sons of God were Angels.
Also references to the Nephilim :-
In the Torah and several non-canonical Jewish and early Christian writings, nephilim are a people created by the crossbreeding of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men". (See Genesis 6:1.) The word nephilim is loosely translated as giants or titans in some translations of the Bible, and is left as nephilim in others.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
weber wrote: I don't think Cain and Abel actually married anyone. As far as I know, marriage as we know it didn't take place until much later on in history. They took wives as far as I know. It is said that there were people on the earth before creation took place in which case they could have married anybody.
No problem Rainbow. Last post period. period
This I do not understand.
They took wives but they did not marry and before the universe was created there were people on Earth (which did not exist).
If Adam and Eve were the first people, created by God, how could there be people before them?
No problem Rainbow. Last post period. period
This I do not understand.
They took wives but they did not marry and before the universe was created there were people on Earth (which did not exist).
If Adam and Eve were the first people, created by God, how could there be people before them?
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Bryn Mawr wrote: This I do not understand.
They took wives but they did not marry and before the universe was created there were people on Earth (which did not exist).
If Adam and Eve were the first people, created by God, how could there be people before them?
Good grief, I haven't a clue ass to how it all took place, who there was to marry, how it all happened.
I was simply trying to say marriage as an institution or whatever you call what we do these day when we say I do.......they just didn't have the ceremony or what I call marriage ceremony. They just took wives. I never saw the word marriage for Adam and Eve or Cain and Abel.
And before creation was what I said, simply meaning....gaaaaaaa forget it...you are right there is no clue ass there
They took wives but they did not marry and before the universe was created there were people on Earth (which did not exist).
If Adam and Eve were the first people, created by God, how could there be people before them?
Good grief, I haven't a clue ass to how it all took place, who there was to marry, how it all happened.
I was simply trying to say marriage as an institution or whatever you call what we do these day when we say I do.......they just didn't have the ceremony or what I call marriage ceremony. They just took wives. I never saw the word marriage for Adam and Eve or Cain and Abel.
And before creation was what I said, simply meaning....gaaaaaaa forget it...you are right there is no clue ass there
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
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Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
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Bryn Mawr wrote: This I do not understand.
They took wives but they did not marry and before the universe was created there were people on Earth (which did not exist).
If Adam and Eve were the first people, created by God, how could there be people before them?
There were other bypedal creatures man like in egsistance before GOD created men in his likeness.
Have you ever heard the theory that mankind originated on another planet. It was the crash of the alien ship that caused the dieoff of the dinosaur.
OK, that was just my attempt at humor.
But, literally, as hamster has said, you must look at the bible not as a word for word literal truth but a history lesson, a story compiled from ancient stories passed down mouth to mouth to eventually be recorded and become THE TRUTH.
All kidding aside. Do you know where christianity, Judeism, all christian, jewish and muslim faiths originated? Zoroastrism, out of ancient Persian or what is Iran today. It is a fact that our current beliefs can be traced to this earlisest worship of a single all knowing diety. See if you can find any similarities in this story about it below.
And this link will bring you straight to Zoroaster himself!
http://www.crystalinks.com/z.html
They took wives but they did not marry and before the universe was created there were people on Earth (which did not exist).
If Adam and Eve were the first people, created by God, how could there be people before them?
There were other bypedal creatures man like in egsistance before GOD created men in his likeness.
Have you ever heard the theory that mankind originated on another planet. It was the crash of the alien ship that caused the dieoff of the dinosaur.
OK, that was just my attempt at humor.But, literally, as hamster has said, you must look at the bible not as a word for word literal truth but a history lesson, a story compiled from ancient stories passed down mouth to mouth to eventually be recorded and become THE TRUTH.
All kidding aside. Do you know where christianity, Judeism, all christian, jewish and muslim faiths originated? Zoroastrism, out of ancient Persian or what is Iran today. It is a fact that our current beliefs can be traced to this earlisest worship of a single all knowing diety. See if you can find any similarities in this story about it below.
And this link will bring you straight to Zoroaster himself!
http://www.crystalinks.com/z.html
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
According to "The New Dictionary of Theology" by S. B. Ferguson, D. F. Wright and . I Packer:
"Unfortunately from the Parthian epoch (247 BC to AD 225, the crucial period for both Judaism and Christianity, almost no Persian text survives. Philosophers such as Aristotle were interested in the Perisan doctrine. Greek traditions placed Zoroaster 6 000 years before Plato." Pg 735
Therefore to say that Zoroaster definitely had an influence on Judaism and Christianity is basically unprovable.
That being said, I'm really not sure what the point is. This prophet may or many not have had an influence on either.
According to Gerstenberger in "Theologies of the Old Testament" Judaism began with the worship of an individuals gods, followed later by household gods, and then tribal gods and eventually became a tribal coalition god.
The name Yahweh has been traced back to the name of an Arabic storm god. T. J. Meek, "Hebrew Origins". Prof Meek's book is fairly comprehensive on this particular topic and makes no mention of Zoroaster.
Geza Vermes a the world's premier scholar on the dead sea scrolls makes no mention of Z. in his work.
There is absolutely no mention, in Johathan Sacks book "The Chief Rabbi's Haggadah", of Zoroaster.
John Bright in his "History of Israel" makes no mention of this either.
In fact I have read hundreds of books by scholars and this is the first time I've heard of any reference to Zoroaster being somehow an influence on Judaism. This is not to say it isn't true but none of the recognzed scholars that I know or have read have made any reference to Zoroaster.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Ah! there is one mention in Paul Johnson's book "A History of Christianity".
"In this new school, there was no separation of, and no desire to separate, religious and secular learning. Ficino thought of Plato, whose basic works were now available in the original Greek, as belonging to a series of interpreters of the divine, beginning with Zoroaster and stretching on through Hermes Trismegistus and Pythagoras--an ancient wisdom anticipating and confirming Christianity." Pg 269.
I see the words "Ficino thought of . . ." and can only conclude that at least one of the ancient writers thought there might be a connection.
"Unfortunately from the Parthian epoch (247 BC to AD 225, the crucial period for both Judaism and Christianity, almost no Persian text survives. Philosophers such as Aristotle were interested in the Perisan doctrine. Greek traditions placed Zoroaster 6 000 years before Plato." Pg 735
Therefore to say that Zoroaster definitely had an influence on Judaism and Christianity is basically unprovable.
That being said, I'm really not sure what the point is. This prophet may or many not have had an influence on either.
According to Gerstenberger in "Theologies of the Old Testament" Judaism began with the worship of an individuals gods, followed later by household gods, and then tribal gods and eventually became a tribal coalition god.
The name Yahweh has been traced back to the name of an Arabic storm god. T. J. Meek, "Hebrew Origins". Prof Meek's book is fairly comprehensive on this particular topic and makes no mention of Zoroaster.
Geza Vermes a the world's premier scholar on the dead sea scrolls makes no mention of Z. in his work.
There is absolutely no mention, in Johathan Sacks book "The Chief Rabbi's Haggadah", of Zoroaster.
John Bright in his "History of Israel" makes no mention of this either.
In fact I have read hundreds of books by scholars and this is the first time I've heard of any reference to Zoroaster being somehow an influence on Judaism. This is not to say it isn't true but none of the recognzed scholars that I know or have read have made any reference to Zoroaster.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Ah! there is one mention in Paul Johnson's book "A History of Christianity".
"In this new school, there was no separation of, and no desire to separate, religious and secular learning. Ficino thought of Plato, whose basic works were now available in the original Greek, as belonging to a series of interpreters of the divine, beginning with Zoroaster and stretching on through Hermes Trismegistus and Pythagoras--an ancient wisdom anticipating and confirming Christianity." Pg 269.
I see the words "Ficino thought of . . ." and can only conclude that at least one of the ancient writers thought there might be a connection.
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Ted wrote: According to "The New Dictionary of Theology" by S. B. Ferguson, D. F. Wright and . I Packer:
"Unfortunately from the Parthian epoch (247 BC to AD 225, the crucial period for both Judaism and Christianity, almost no Persian text survives. Philosophers such as Aristotle were interested in the Perisan doctrine. Greek traditions placed Zoroaster 6 000 years before Plato." Pg 735
Therefore to say that Zoroaster definitely had an influence on Judaism and Christianity is basically unprovable.
That being said, I'm really not sure what the point is. This prophet may or many not have had an influence on either.
According to Gerstenberger in "Theologies of the Old Testament" Judaism began with the worship of an individuals gods, followed later by household gods, and then tribal gods and eventually became a tribal coalition god.
The name Yahweh has been traced back to the name of an Arabic storm god. T. J. Meek, "Hebrew Origins". Prof Meek's book is fairly comprehensive on this particular topic and makes no mention of Zoroaster.
Geza Vermes a the world's premier scholar on the dead sea scrolls makes no mention of Z. in his work.
There is absolutely no mention, in Johathan Sacks book "The Chief Rabbi's Haggadah", of Zoroaster.
John Bright in his "History of Israel" makes no mention of this either.
In fact I have read hundreds of books by scholars and this is the first time I've heard of any reference to Zoroaster being somehow an influence on Judaism. This is not to say it isn't true but none of the recognzed scholars that I know or have read have made any reference to Zoroaster.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Ah! there is one mention in Paul Johnson's book "A History of Christianity".
"In this new school, there was no separation of, and no desire to separate, religious and secular learning. Ficino thought of Plato, whose basic works were now available in the original Greek, as belonging to a series of interpreters of the divine, beginning with Zoroaster and stretching on through Hermes Trismegistus and Pythagoras--an ancient wisdom anticipating and confirming Christianity." Pg 269.
I see the words "Ficino thought of . . ." and can only conclude that at least one of the ancient writers thought there might be a connection.
Well, thank goodness you found that one mention of it and I am not a total fool.
Also, if you revel in the esoteric readings you might see reference to basic foundational tenets found in early religious formation of Judaism and from that, Christianity and Muslim faiths, and from there hundreds of others.
So what is the point of pointing out these little known or discussed suppositions and theories.
Well, there are a score of thinkers on the subject of theology that dare to explore the origins of our beliefs. If we are going to fight and die for what we believe in....then at the very least we should know what we believe in, right? And, as it appears to be playing out, our religious foundations originate from the same time and general geographical location of the world and, with the same basic beliefs as a majority of the European, Middle Eastern, and Americas populations . NOTE I say basic beliefs. Basic foundational similarities. Etc.
Because you are correct as to proof. No one thought to preserve the moment on papyrus, when the Sun worshiping high priests became sophisticated and introduced the eternal trinity, its eternal struggle between good, bad and free choice and the rolls of mankind.
"Unfortunately from the Parthian epoch (247 BC to AD 225, the crucial period for both Judaism and Christianity, almost no Persian text survives. Philosophers such as Aristotle were interested in the Perisan doctrine. Greek traditions placed Zoroaster 6 000 years before Plato." Pg 735
Therefore to say that Zoroaster definitely had an influence on Judaism and Christianity is basically unprovable.
That being said, I'm really not sure what the point is. This prophet may or many not have had an influence on either.
According to Gerstenberger in "Theologies of the Old Testament" Judaism began with the worship of an individuals gods, followed later by household gods, and then tribal gods and eventually became a tribal coalition god.
The name Yahweh has been traced back to the name of an Arabic storm god. T. J. Meek, "Hebrew Origins". Prof Meek's book is fairly comprehensive on this particular topic and makes no mention of Zoroaster.
Geza Vermes a the world's premier scholar on the dead sea scrolls makes no mention of Z. in his work.
There is absolutely no mention, in Johathan Sacks book "The Chief Rabbi's Haggadah", of Zoroaster.
John Bright in his "History of Israel" makes no mention of this either.
In fact I have read hundreds of books by scholars and this is the first time I've heard of any reference to Zoroaster being somehow an influence on Judaism. This is not to say it isn't true but none of the recognzed scholars that I know or have read have made any reference to Zoroaster.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Ah! there is one mention in Paul Johnson's book "A History of Christianity".
"In this new school, there was no separation of, and no desire to separate, religious and secular learning. Ficino thought of Plato, whose basic works were now available in the original Greek, as belonging to a series of interpreters of the divine, beginning with Zoroaster and stretching on through Hermes Trismegistus and Pythagoras--an ancient wisdom anticipating and confirming Christianity." Pg 269.
I see the words "Ficino thought of . . ." and can only conclude that at least one of the ancient writers thought there might be a connection.
Well, thank goodness you found that one mention of it and I am not a total fool.
Also, if you revel in the esoteric readings you might see reference to basic foundational tenets found in early religious formation of Judaism and from that, Christianity and Muslim faiths, and from there hundreds of others.
So what is the point of pointing out these little known or discussed suppositions and theories.
Well, there are a score of thinkers on the subject of theology that dare to explore the origins of our beliefs. If we are going to fight and die for what we believe in....then at the very least we should know what we believe in, right? And, as it appears to be playing out, our religious foundations originate from the same time and general geographical location of the world and, with the same basic beliefs as a majority of the European, Middle Eastern, and Americas populations . NOTE I say basic beliefs. Basic foundational similarities. Etc.
Because you are correct as to proof. No one thought to preserve the moment on papyrus, when the Sun worshiping high priests became sophisticated and introduced the eternal trinity, its eternal struggle between good, bad and free choice and the rolls of mankind.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
double helix:-6
Actually I was just asking for my own interest.
You are correct about the basic tenets in many of the great faiths of the world. As far as the OT goes some of it was borrowed and revised to fit within the Hebrew situation: creation stories, flood stories, the ten commandments and even the very name Yahweh has been traced back to an ancient Arabic storm god.
The history is quite interesting.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Actually I was just asking for my own interest.
You are correct about the basic tenets in many of the great faiths of the world. As far as the OT goes some of it was borrowed and revised to fit within the Hebrew situation: creation stories, flood stories, the ten commandments and even the very name Yahweh has been traced back to an ancient Arabic storm god.
The history is quite interesting.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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weber wrote: Okay so I don't know any atheists and I don't why an atheist would want to read the bible.
For the same reason as any other literature - because it's there, because there are good things in it, to be able to discuss it, to be able to refute it. You can't argue about it if you don't know what's in it.
There is only one God. You may believe in God in your own manner, but it is still God, the same God I believe in. I would be interested in your description of two different Gods who are God.
Lots of people believe in many gods. IMO, the bible itself has evidence of other gods - the first commandment, mainly. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." If there are no other gods, why make it a rule? And the *first* rule, at that?
For the same reason as any other literature - because it's there, because there are good things in it, to be able to discuss it, to be able to refute it. You can't argue about it if you don't know what's in it.
There is only one God. You may believe in God in your own manner, but it is still God, the same God I believe in. I would be interested in your description of two different Gods who are God.
Lots of people believe in many gods. IMO, the bible itself has evidence of other gods - the first commandment, mainly. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." If there are no other gods, why make it a rule? And the *first* rule, at that?
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Ted wrote: double helix:-6
Actually I was just asking for my own interest.
You are correct about the basic tenets in many of the great faiths of the world. As far as the OT goes some of it was borrowed and revised to fit within the Hebrew situation: creation stories, flood stories, the ten commandments and even the very name Yahweh has been traced back to an ancient Arabic storm god.
The history is quite interesting.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Many learned men have researched the oigins of religion. We are free to read what they suppose, what evidence they uncover and make up our own minds, true?
So, I say, if many learned men agree that God(s) and religion came about out of a need to regulate the free will of the people and bring about some measure of peace and harmony to society, to me, this information neggates any egsistance of an all knowing, all seeing being that hears and responds to my peeping prayers.
I say, to any being able to create this vast, ever suprising universe, we must be like a germ or virus, an atom! Why would he hear my peeps, why would he care?
It is as the Fourth Way teaches, we are simply sources of energy through which the universal being sustains itself.
Actually I was just asking for my own interest.
You are correct about the basic tenets in many of the great faiths of the world. As far as the OT goes some of it was borrowed and revised to fit within the Hebrew situation: creation stories, flood stories, the ten commandments and even the very name Yahweh has been traced back to an ancient Arabic storm god.
The history is quite interesting.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Many learned men have researched the oigins of religion. We are free to read what they suppose, what evidence they uncover and make up our own minds, true?
So, I say, if many learned men agree that God(s) and religion came about out of a need to regulate the free will of the people and bring about some measure of peace and harmony to society, to me, this information neggates any egsistance of an all knowing, all seeing being that hears and responds to my peeping prayers.
I say, to any being able to create this vast, ever suprising universe, we must be like a germ or virus, an atom! Why would he hear my peeps, why would he care?
It is as the Fourth Way teaches, we are simply sources of energy through which the universal being sustains itself.
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I love when people make me think!
Lots of people believe in many gods. IMO, the bible itself has evidence of other gods - the first commandment, mainly. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." If there are no other gods, why make it a rule? And the *first* rule, at that?
Great point Errinna!
I've been offline for a while and need to catch up on this topic - I'm a bit lost after just skimming through.
Lots of people believe in many gods. IMO, the bible itself has evidence of other gods - the first commandment, mainly. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." If there are no other gods, why make it a rule? And the *first* rule, at that?
Great point Errinna!
I've been offline for a while and need to catch up on this topic - I'm a bit lost after just skimming through.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Have any of you considered that the popular conception of the creation accounts by the church and its leaders is somewhat incorrect?
Here is an alternative I have come across which seems to explain the question of this thread, rather well.
On the 6th day God created CORPORATE MAN (mankind in general) {all races of man, male and female}.
Then he rested. In the 7th day of his rest, he makes the observation about the lack of a "man" to til the soil. He then acts to create "THE MAN" the tiller of the soil.
In a certain manuscript called the MASORAH the man spoken of in the second creation account of man is rendered HAAdam or THE MAN verses the first account which was just rendered MAN (Adam in Hebrew).
This is the founding human of the family that would eventually lead to Abraham, through Noah and Enoch, etc.
Also, where the English Bible says that God took a "rib" from Adam's side does not come out like that in the Hebrew. The Hebrew word that was translated RIB actually means "CURVE". So God took a CURVE from Adam's side. HMMM, (translator thinks!) must mean a rib because a rib is in my side. HMMM!
IF they had known about DNA and that it's nature is a CURVE and that a MALE has X AND Y chromasomes, then they may have been able to deduce that God took the X from Adam and doubled it over (women are X-X after all).
So CAIN went to the land of NOD and found a wife there. From out of the other already existing people. You cannot account for the EXISTENCE of the races from the narrow minded thinking of there being just 2 people from the beginning, afterall, every kind reproduces itself. You look like your parents don't you?
D:-5
Here is an alternative I have come across which seems to explain the question of this thread, rather well.
On the 6th day God created CORPORATE MAN (mankind in general) {all races of man, male and female}.
Then he rested. In the 7th day of his rest, he makes the observation about the lack of a "man" to til the soil. He then acts to create "THE MAN" the tiller of the soil.
In a certain manuscript called the MASORAH the man spoken of in the second creation account of man is rendered HAAdam or THE MAN verses the first account which was just rendered MAN (Adam in Hebrew).
This is the founding human of the family that would eventually lead to Abraham, through Noah and Enoch, etc.
Also, where the English Bible says that God took a "rib" from Adam's side does not come out like that in the Hebrew. The Hebrew word that was translated RIB actually means "CURVE". So God took a CURVE from Adam's side. HMMM, (translator thinks!) must mean a rib because a rib is in my side. HMMM!
IF they had known about DNA and that it's nature is a CURVE and that a MALE has X AND Y chromasomes, then they may have been able to deduce that God took the X from Adam and doubled it over (women are X-X after all).
So CAIN went to the land of NOD and found a wife there. From out of the other already existing people. You cannot account for the EXISTENCE of the races from the narrow minded thinking of there being just 2 people from the beginning, afterall, every kind reproduces itself. You look like your parents don't you?
D:-5
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None of the arguments can alter the fact that the stories of creation and Noah are myth, legend, or parable if one likes.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Somewhere over a million years ago some of our ancestors migrated from Africa to many other parts of the world. Human life as we know it began in Africa and moved out from there.
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Ted:-6
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Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted;446996 wrote: Somewhere over a million years ago some of our ancestors migrated from Africa to many other parts of the world. Human life as we know it began in Africa and moved out from there.
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Ted:-6
I'm not convinced. Personally, I think that humankind started in England and migrated south. Then an extinction event very, very nearly wiped us out but for a small colony in the rift valley - we've just not found the fosil evedence yet :wah:
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Ted:-6
I'm not convinced. Personally, I think that humankind started in England and migrated south. Then an extinction event very, very nearly wiped us out but for a small colony in the rift valley - we've just not found the fosil evedence yet :wah:
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Bryn Mawr:-6
From Wales, perhaps?
Personally I was wondering about Inverness in Scotland.
Shalom
Ted:-6
From Wales, perhaps?
Personally I was wondering about Inverness in Scotland.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted;447102 wrote: Bryn Mawr:-6
From Wales, perhaps?
Personally I was wondering about Inverness in Scotland.
Shalom
Ted:-6
It would have to have been around the Caledonian Canal - how else do you explain them settling in the Great Rift Valley. :-6
From Wales, perhaps?
Personally I was wondering about Inverness in Scotland.
Shalom
Ted:-6
It would have to have been around the Caledonian Canal - how else do you explain them settling in the Great Rift Valley. :-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Bryn Mawr:-6
LOL
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Ted:-6
LOL
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Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
You know what I find MOST interesting about this question? And several others like it? No one, not here, not in MY life, nowhere, can ANYONE give an answer to it. Not that I don't "get" the attempts at the answer, but even the Bible-believing people here can't formulate even an effort at an answer. All we get are comments like "The Bible isn't to be taken literally" and such other vague opinions. And that IS an opinion, because....how do you KNOW? How does a person "know" that the Bible is subject to personal interpretation?
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Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
BabyRider:-6
Many of todays scholars are convinced that the stories in Genesis re creation are myths of if you like parables. Yes, I suppose in a way it is opinion but it is based on years of research into the Bible; how it came to be, the style of ancient writing, good grasp of reality, history, science, and what amounts to a good dose of common sense.
I see absolutely nothing to discussing the issue though that is fun. In my view and supported by many scholars we have a difinitive answer. Just as one scientist said, and at the moment I can't remember who, evolution is beyond a theory. There is so much evidence that it is in the realm of fact.
If you want to read the evidence the following scholars will be a great deal of help: Spong, Crossan, Borg, Ehrman, Fox, Hall, Davies, McFague, O'Murchu and hundreds of others whose names I could look up and list if you wish.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Many of todays scholars are convinced that the stories in Genesis re creation are myths of if you like parables. Yes, I suppose in a way it is opinion but it is based on years of research into the Bible; how it came to be, the style of ancient writing, good grasp of reality, history, science, and what amounts to a good dose of common sense.
I see absolutely nothing to discussing the issue though that is fun. In my view and supported by many scholars we have a difinitive answer. Just as one scientist said, and at the moment I can't remember who, evolution is beyond a theory. There is so much evidence that it is in the realm of fact.
If you want to read the evidence the following scholars will be a great deal of help: Spong, Crossan, Borg, Ehrman, Fox, Hall, Davies, McFague, O'Murchu and hundreds of others whose names I could look up and list if you wish.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
You know Ted
who's to say that the Big Bang and evolution weren't the way God created. I combined the two when I studied evolution for the first time in Grade 9. School had to be right and church had to be right so I combined them. Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea. But the bible only Christians would beat heck out of me for saying that LOL. Oh well, I have been smacked around anyway so it might as well be for my own thoughts instead of somebody else's.:guitarist
who's to say that the Big Bang and evolution weren't the way God created. I combined the two when I studied evolution for the first time in Grade 9. School had to be right and church had to be right so I combined them. Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea. But the bible only Christians would beat heck out of me for saying that LOL. Oh well, I have been smacked around anyway so it might as well be for my own thoughts instead of somebody else's.:guitarist
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
weber:-6
Sounds like a good dose of common sense to me.
The question should not be, "Did it really happen this way?" but "What does the story mean?" Once this becomes the question most of the other issues with the Bible simply disappear.
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Ted:-6
Sounds like a good dose of common sense to me.
The question should not be, "Did it really happen this way?" but "What does the story mean?" Once this becomes the question most of the other issues with the Bible simply disappear.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted;447123 wrote: Bryn Mawr:-6
LOL
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Ted:-6
i don't think i have EVER heard Ted laugh. holy-cow!:-2
LOL
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Ted:-6
i don't think i have EVER heard Ted laugh. holy-cow!:-2
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
Mind like a steel trap - Rusty and Illegal in 37 states.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
wolverine:-6
I often sit at my computer and laugh. I just don't always laugh out loud. LOL
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Ted:-6
I often sit at my computer and laugh. I just don't always laugh out loud. LOL
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Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
BTW:-6
I'll probably be away for a few days as I am rescheduled to have my shoulder surgergy on this Friday, Nov. 3.
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Ted:-6
I'll probably be away for a few days as I am rescheduled to have my shoulder surgergy on this Friday, Nov. 3.
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Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted;447307 wrote: wolverine:-6
I often sit at my computer and laugh. I just don't always laugh out loud. LOL
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Ted:-6
that's good to know. not that i thought you didn't have a sense of humor.
i really like reading your thoughts on topics like this. you've certainly helped me understand my "faith" for lack of a better word.
Thank you, Ted.
I often sit at my computer and laugh. I just don't always laugh out loud. LOL
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Ted:-6
that's good to know. not that i thought you didn't have a sense of humor.
i really like reading your thoughts on topics like this. you've certainly helped me understand my "faith" for lack of a better word.
Thank you, Ted.
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
Mind like a steel trap - Rusty and Illegal in 37 states.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Wolverine:-6
Thanks. If I help anyone even a bit than it has been worthwhile.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thanks. If I help anyone even a bit than it has been worthwhile.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
if you stopped throwing side-arm fastballs, you probably wouldn't have shoulder trouble.
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
Mind like a steel trap - Rusty and Illegal in 37 states.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Wolverine:-6
Actually this past summer I swung a stick at a snake that was eating the fish in our water garden. With my eyesight the way it is it was a dumb move. I missed the snake and got my shoulder when the damned stick hit the ground.
That bloody snake was seen sunning itself on the lilly pads later on the same day. One would think I would learn. LOL
My pharacist only laughed when I told him. No sympathy there. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Actually this past summer I swung a stick at a snake that was eating the fish in our water garden. With my eyesight the way it is it was a dumb move. I missed the snake and got my shoulder when the damned stick hit the ground.
That bloody snake was seen sunning itself on the lilly pads later on the same day. One would think I would learn. LOL
My pharacist only laughed when I told him. No sympathy there. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted;447321 wrote: Wolverine:-6
Actually this past summer I swung a stick at a snake that was eating the fish in our water garden. With my eyesight the way it is it was a dumb move. I missed the snake and got my shoulder when the damned stick hit the ground.
That bloody snake was seen sunning itself on the lilly pads later on the same day. One would think I would learn. LOL
My pharacist only laughed when I told him. No sympathy there. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Hmmm....
:wah:
Actually this past summer I swung a stick at a snake that was eating the fish in our water garden. With my eyesight the way it is it was a dumb move. I missed the snake and got my shoulder when the damned stick hit the ground.
That bloody snake was seen sunning itself on the lilly pads later on the same day. One would think I would learn. LOL
My pharacist only laughed when I told him. No sympathy there. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Hmmm....
:wah:
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
Mind like a steel trap - Rusty and Illegal in 37 states.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
BabyRider:-6
I missed one important one; archaeology.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I missed one important one; archaeology.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted wrote:
Many of todays scholars are convinced that the stories in Genesis re creation are myths of if you like parables.
I don't like parable OR myth. What I would like is an ANSWER.
And I also never said anything about there being something wrong with discussing the topic, I am merely observing that NO ONE can answer it. There must be a reason for that. Like....oh, I don't know....NO ONE KNOWS??!! I mean let's face it...the question can't be answered, even by your "scholars" so why not just say, "We don't know" ?? People always have a problem admitting they don't know something. Especially about this kind of thing
Many of todays scholars are convinced that the stories in Genesis re creation are myths of if you like parables.
I don't like parable OR myth. What I would like is an ANSWER.
And I also never said anything about there being something wrong with discussing the topic, I am merely observing that NO ONE can answer it. There must be a reason for that. Like....oh, I don't know....NO ONE KNOWS??!! I mean let's face it...the question can't be answered, even by your "scholars" so why not just say, "We don't know" ?? People always have a problem admitting they don't know something. Especially about this kind of thing
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
~Darrel Worley~
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted wrote: I missed one important one; archaeology.
Which *proves* what, in your mind?
Which *proves* what, in your mind?
[FONT=Arial Black]I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price.
~Darrel Worley~
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
~Darrel Worley~
[/FONT]
Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
BabyRider:-6
Within the limits of historical research, scientific research, archaeological research and common sense they do know. Some of the details may be a little fuzzy but in most cases they are certain.
I'm not sure what you want when you say you want proof. They didn't have digital cameras back then nor did they have standard photography or recording abilities. We cannot as yet time travel. So what kind of proof are you looking for?
I know you said nothing about discussing the topic. I was simply commenting on that particular issue.
One example of evidence is the fact, and it is a fact, there is not one shred of evidence anywhere that the exodus took place as written.
It is well known that ancient writers used midrash in writing their sacred documents. All one has to do is discuss the issue with Jewish scholars.
The fact that there are two separate and distinct creation stories is self evident. However, they also know where those stories came from.
Apply a little common sense and one can figure a great deal out.
It is a fact there are two different stories about what happened to Judas after the betrayal of Jesus. It certainly couldn't have happened both ways. There is a fuzzy detail but is it even important.
It is well known that there were three different writers of Isaiah. In other words there were three "Isaiahs". How so? Writing style, so called prophecy fulfilled, historical details that happened after the death of the original Isaiah.
There is all kinds of evidence if one wants to search it out.
Nowadays we even have folks who are saying that the holocaust didn't happen even though there are folks alive to day who suffered and or saw the situation. We have photographs.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Within the limits of historical research, scientific research, archaeological research and common sense they do know. Some of the details may be a little fuzzy but in most cases they are certain.
I'm not sure what you want when you say you want proof. They didn't have digital cameras back then nor did they have standard photography or recording abilities. We cannot as yet time travel. So what kind of proof are you looking for?
I know you said nothing about discussing the topic. I was simply commenting on that particular issue.
One example of evidence is the fact, and it is a fact, there is not one shred of evidence anywhere that the exodus took place as written.
It is well known that ancient writers used midrash in writing their sacred documents. All one has to do is discuss the issue with Jewish scholars.
The fact that there are two separate and distinct creation stories is self evident. However, they also know where those stories came from.
Apply a little common sense and one can figure a great deal out.
It is a fact there are two different stories about what happened to Judas after the betrayal of Jesus. It certainly couldn't have happened both ways. There is a fuzzy detail but is it even important.
It is well known that there were three different writers of Isaiah. In other words there were three "Isaiahs". How so? Writing style, so called prophecy fulfilled, historical details that happened after the death of the original Isaiah.
There is all kinds of evidence if one wants to search it out.
Nowadays we even have folks who are saying that the holocaust didn't happen even though there are folks alive to day who suffered and or saw the situation. We have photographs.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
BabyRider;447351 wrote: I don't like parable OR myth. What I would like is an ANSWER.
And I also never said anything about there being something wrong with discussing the topic, I am merely observing that NO ONE can answer it. There must be a reason for that. Like....oh, I don't know....NO ONE KNOWS??!! I mean let's face it...the question can't be answered, even by your "scholars" so why not just say, "We don't know" ?? People always have a problem admitting they don't know something. Especially about this kind of thing
Hi BabyRider
I found this whilst wandering around in the web. It answers the question. I don't how much to your satisfaction it would. I suppose it answers it for me. I don't know if it answers the next question in line....I have to go back. This is a spot that I have never found before.:-6
http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/gen4.html
And I also never said anything about there being something wrong with discussing the topic, I am merely observing that NO ONE can answer it. There must be a reason for that. Like....oh, I don't know....NO ONE KNOWS??!! I mean let's face it...the question can't be answered, even by your "scholars" so why not just say, "We don't know" ?? People always have a problem admitting they don't know something. Especially about this kind of thing
Hi BabyRider
I found this whilst wandering around in the web. It answers the question. I don't how much to your satisfaction it would. I suppose it answers it for me. I don't know if it answers the next question in line....I have to go back. This is a spot that I have never found before.:-6
http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/gen4.html
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
BabyRider:-6
I could only guess that you are totally unsure about Chris Columbus, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Marco Polo, Plato etc. After all we do not have any recorded evidence such as digital or analogue or photographic proof that they even existed. I know there names are in books but they could have been invented personalities. The holocaust???
Shalom
Ted:-6
I could only guess that you are totally unsure about Chris Columbus, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Marco Polo, Plato etc. After all we do not have any recorded evidence such as digital or analogue or photographic proof that they even existed. I know there names are in books but they could have been invented personalities. The holocaust???
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Yep, I read on further and it talks about Cain and Abel and Seth marrying sisters. Interesting read. I will be interested in comments.:-6
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
weber:-6
There are also writings that talk about Zeus, Venus, Jason and the Golden fleece, Hercules, purple unicorns. No slight intended. One has to learn to discern what one is reading.
For example the first thing to go in a war is the truth. They then publish propaganda.
Then there was that old lady in the shoe. That must have been some shoe. LOL.
Shalom
Ted:-6
There are also writings that talk about Zeus, Venus, Jason and the Golden fleece, Hercules, purple unicorns. No slight intended. One has to learn to discern what one is reading.
For example the first thing to go in a war is the truth. They then publish propaganda.
Then there was that old lady in the shoe. That must have been some shoe. LOL.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
weber:-6
That site on the lighting of a candle looks interesting. I do love candles. There can be much symbolism in them.
Shalom
Ted:-6
That site on the lighting of a candle looks interesting. I do love candles. There can be much symbolism in them.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted;447367 wrote: weber:-6
There are also writings that talk about Zeus, Venus, Jason and the Golden fleece, Hercules, purple unicorns. No slight intended. One has to learn to discern what one is reading.
For example the first thing to go in a war is the truth. They then publish propaganda.
Then there was that old lady in the shoe. That must have been some shoe. LOL.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Well, I didn't write the stuff, I just found it and it does make sense to me. I read something similar at another spot. I don't like reading the bible word for word but there are some things that have to be or one might just as well scratch God and carry on our merry way. I can quite personally see the first people in the world being able to intermarry since first is pretty pure stuff and after a few hundred years it isn't so pure anymore and the rules have to change. If that makes me stupid then I can handle that. I can also see the Big Bang and I can also see evolution but in both cases, what came before them. I don't think there is any answer to that. The way I see it, I have to pick and choose. Up until now, nobody gave me a good reason for Adam and Eve only. This article does.
There are also writings that talk about Zeus, Venus, Jason and the Golden fleece, Hercules, purple unicorns. No slight intended. One has to learn to discern what one is reading.
For example the first thing to go in a war is the truth. They then publish propaganda.
Then there was that old lady in the shoe. That must have been some shoe. LOL.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Well, I didn't write the stuff, I just found it and it does make sense to me. I read something similar at another spot. I don't like reading the bible word for word but there are some things that have to be or one might just as well scratch God and carry on our merry way. I can quite personally see the first people in the world being able to intermarry since first is pretty pure stuff and after a few hundred years it isn't so pure anymore and the rules have to change. If that makes me stupid then I can handle that. I can also see the Big Bang and I can also see evolution but in both cases, what came before them. I don't think there is any answer to that. The way I see it, I have to pick and choose. Up until now, nobody gave me a good reason for Adam and Eve only. This article does.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
weber:-6
No slight was intended. I was trying to show that one must learn to discern what they are reading. You have one of the most important skills for that, a good dose of common sense. Put that together with our knowledge base, our culture, our history etc. and you are on the right track.
Many folks can write what appears to make sense. That is why I go to the people in the know, the scholars, whose work has been scruitinized by other scholars.
A good example is what I learned last night. In Hebrew the word "Dabhar" is mistranslated as "word" as in John's gospel the first chapter. What it actually meant in the ancient days was "the Divine Creative Energy". When you put that to John ! it can and does change the whole way it is interpreted. I do hope I learn something new everyday. It makes life exciting.
Shalom
Ted:-6
No slight was intended. I was trying to show that one must learn to discern what they are reading. You have one of the most important skills for that, a good dose of common sense. Put that together with our knowledge base, our culture, our history etc. and you are on the right track.
Many folks can write what appears to make sense. That is why I go to the people in the know, the scholars, whose work has been scruitinized by other scholars.
A good example is what I learned last night. In Hebrew the word "Dabhar" is mistranslated as "word" as in John's gospel the first chapter. What it actually meant in the ancient days was "the Divine Creative Energy". When you put that to John ! it can and does change the whole way it is interpreted. I do hope I learn something new everyday. It makes life exciting.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Who did Cain and Abel Marry?
Ted;447375 wrote: weber:-6
No slight was intended. I was trying to show that one must learn to discern what they are reading. You have one of the most important skills for that, a good dose of common sense. Put that together with our knowledge base, our culture, our history etc. and you are on the right track.
Many folks can write what appears to make sense. That is why I go to the people in the know, the scholars, whose work has been scruitinized by other scholars.
A good example is what I learned last night. In Hebrew the word "Dabhar" is mistranslated as "word" as in John's gospel the first chapter. What it actually meant in the ancient days was "the Divine Creative Energy". When you put that to John ! it can and does change the whole way it is interpreted. I do hope I learn something new everyday. It makes life exciting.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You didn't offend me (I just accidentally spelled that as off end. You know, that is what it is) and not a slight. I certainly did not mean for it to come off that way.
I did discern what I read and I like it......most believable explanation I have ever read and fills in the gap quite nicely and I believe I will stick with it unless something better comes along. I have I guess always been a believer in creation but needed something to fill in. I still have no problem with the big bang or evolution.....just my belief of choice is creation.
Learning is exciting and when I stop learning, that is when I am dead literally or figuratively.:-6
No slight was intended. I was trying to show that one must learn to discern what they are reading. You have one of the most important skills for that, a good dose of common sense. Put that together with our knowledge base, our culture, our history etc. and you are on the right track.
Many folks can write what appears to make sense. That is why I go to the people in the know, the scholars, whose work has been scruitinized by other scholars.
A good example is what I learned last night. In Hebrew the word "Dabhar" is mistranslated as "word" as in John's gospel the first chapter. What it actually meant in the ancient days was "the Divine Creative Energy". When you put that to John ! it can and does change the whole way it is interpreted. I do hope I learn something new everyday. It makes life exciting.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You didn't offend me (I just accidentally spelled that as off end. You know, that is what it is) and not a slight. I certainly did not mean for it to come off that way.
I did discern what I read and I like it......most believable explanation I have ever read and fills in the gap quite nicely and I believe I will stick with it unless something better comes along. I have I guess always been a believer in creation but needed something to fill in. I still have no problem with the big bang or evolution.....just my belief of choice is creation.
Learning is exciting and when I stop learning, that is when I am dead literally or figuratively.:-6
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?