Accountable;452861 wrote: Wrong. So very wrong.
You know, you may be right here.
I remembered it being said, but now I can't find in the myriad posts in that thread to see if I erred.
So Snooze, I apologize to you for that. I am sorry.
I should have not named names. Whoever it was...it doesn't matter if they gave money or not as there is no contest here.
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Snooze- did I say it was you who did?
If you read the thread I think you will see what I am talking about. I don't know who mentioned being taken advantage of as there were several but I'm not naming names again!
ETA:
I think I've had ample opportunity to speak my piece on this, so I'll be finished now. Otherwise, it'll start to look like arguing and that is not what I'd like to come about. Plus the more we talk about it like this, the worse it could look to one of our members.
I hope we can avoid making it worse!!
Snooze, again I apologize to you for what I said. My mistake.
:)
If you read the thread I think you will see what I am talking about. I don't know who mentioned being taken advantage of as there were several but I'm not naming names again!
ETA:
I think I've had ample opportunity to speak my piece on this, so I'll be finished now. Otherwise, it'll start to look like arguing and that is not what I'd like to come about. Plus the more we talk about it like this, the worse it could look to one of our members.
I hope we can avoid making it worse!!Snooze, again I apologize to you for what I said. My mistake.
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Again, you are making a STATEMENT that it was innapropriate. In
MY OPINION, you need qualifiers on that along the lines of "I feel it
was xyz" or "I think". I don't think it was innapropriate in any way
and I'm saying so.
And believe me, there's no "suddenly" about it at all. This has been
brought up before, and the person who did got their head chewed
off and no longer posts.
Why should anyone have to resort to rather cumbersome pm's when
a public post reaches so many more, or has the potential to
anyway. The likelyhood of us even trying for pm's and getting OUR
heads chewed off would be pretty high, I would think. The beauty
of Snooze's public post is that it let others know there was somebody
feeling the same way they were. The ugly of pm's is that they can't
be posted unless both parties agree, and in my experience, the
"attacking" parties won't agree.
If the thread we are discussing had just gone on with no mention of
Snooze's post, then the "issue" wouldn't have been nearly as large
as it's been made out to be. I still see ZERO problem with what was
said, if I'd spent a lot of time I couldn't have come up with something
half as good, probably. Let it stand for what it was and the opinion
that it was, and the rest of you go on about your business. I'm
sure there are many of you that find it entirely too difficult to do that.
It's a pity.
MY OPINION, you need qualifiers on that along the lines of "I feel it
was xyz" or "I think". I don't think it was innapropriate in any way
and I'm saying so.
And believe me, there's no "suddenly" about it at all. This has been
brought up before, and the person who did got their head chewed
off and no longer posts.
Why should anyone have to resort to rather cumbersome pm's when
a public post reaches so many more, or has the potential to
anyway. The likelyhood of us even trying for pm's and getting OUR
heads chewed off would be pretty high, I would think. The beauty
of Snooze's public post is that it let others know there was somebody
feeling the same way they were. The ugly of pm's is that they can't
be posted unless both parties agree, and in my experience, the
"attacking" parties won't agree.
If the thread we are discussing had just gone on with no mention of
Snooze's post, then the "issue" wouldn't have been nearly as large
as it's been made out to be. I still see ZERO problem with what was
said, if I'd spent a lot of time I couldn't have come up with something
half as good, probably. Let it stand for what it was and the opinion
that it was, and the rest of you go on about your business. I'm
sure there are many of you that find it entirely too difficult to do that.
It's a pity.
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ACC I like what you said here and I agree. I know all the risks and possible scams that may, or may not happen. Sorry I'm just not going to let that stop me from helping if and when I can. I'm old enough to be responsible for my actions if I get in trouble for it that is my problem. I don't need protection and can make the call on my own..
Do names of people who donate need to be mentioned probably not, that can be done privately. Other than that I see nothing wrong with asking, because that what it is just asking. If you can and want to do so, if you can't no big deal and no one should feel bad about it at all.
Moral support is just as important and in my opinion takes more effort than just sending money..
[QUOTE]As for the potential for scams: Don't protect me. There will always be scum who will try to find a way to take advantage of nice people. To eliminate the potential for being scammed, we have to eliminate or at least hide the nice. The nice is the reason to be here. Without the nice, what's the point?
Why don't we do this: let's be nice. If one of us is taken advantage of because of misplaced niceness, let's be extra nice to that person so she/he will not feel so bad about being nice.[/QUOTE]
I'm old enough to be responsible for my actions if I get in trouble for it that is my problem. I don't need protection and can make the call on my own.. Do names of people who donate need to be mentioned probably not, that can be done privately. Other than that I see nothing wrong with asking, because that what it is just asking. If you can and want to do so, if you can't no big deal and no one should feel bad about it at all.
Moral support is just as important and in my opinion takes more effort than just sending money.. [QUOTE]As for the potential for scams: Don't protect me. There will always be scum who will try to find a way to take advantage of nice people. To eliminate the potential for being scammed, we have to eliminate or at least hide the nice. The nice is the reason to be here. Without the nice, what's the point?
Why don't we do this: let's be nice. If one of us is taken advantage of because of misplaced niceness, let's be extra nice to that person so she/he will not feel so bad about being nice.[/QUOTE]
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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Hammy, I am glad to have you as my friend and I am so sorry that you are feeling this way.
I would like to publicly thank you for motivating us to help someone in need and for the hard work you have put in to this. I am also self employed and know how hard it can be but at least I have a husband who earns the money to put food in our bellies, to take time out of your business to do this shows what a generous person you are.
I hope that you can enjoy the next few days of starting your new life together with Roger and forget all this.
To Jimbo I'd like to say, please don't feel bad for needing this help, you are not the cause of this thread, just the trigger. Life is sh1t sometimes and although people seem to be upset over this none of us wish you anything other than good and hope that things work out for you and your family.
To everyone else - I'm sorry if anything that I have said has offended anyone, that is not my intention.
I would like to publicly thank you for motivating us to help someone in need and for the hard work you have put in to this. I am also self employed and know how hard it can be but at least I have a husband who earns the money to put food in our bellies, to take time out of your business to do this shows what a generous person you are.
I hope that you can enjoy the next few days of starting your new life together with Roger and forget all this.
To Jimbo I'd like to say, please don't feel bad for needing this help, you are not the cause of this thread, just the trigger. Life is sh1t sometimes and although people seem to be upset over this none of us wish you anything other than good and hope that things work out for you and your family.
To everyone else - I'm sorry if anything that I have said has offended anyone, that is not my intention.
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She is one fit bitch innit, that Immy
Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time
She is one fit bitch innit, that Immy
Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time
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flopstock;452986 wrote: I couldn't have expressed myself better then you just did... thanks for saving me the thought process..:-4
You're very welcome xx
You're very welcome xx
Originally Posted by spot
She is one fit bitch innit, that Immy
Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time
She is one fit bitch innit, that Immy
Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time
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SnoozeControl;452875 wrote: I think Valerie said it best: "Publicly thanking everyone by name sort of makes other names glaring omissions."
I've developed pretty thick skin here, but we've got other members that might not feel so wonderful about this rather zealous method of getting donations.
I have to say, I'm a fence-sitter on this vote as I can see it from both sides.
I agree with snooze, when you see a list of people's names you DO seem to automatically think "oh, so-and-so's name isn't on the list when I thought it would be" I think it's human nature to be more negative and critical rather than positive and upbeat (especially as we get older). So rather than thinking "oh how wonderful, what lovely people donating to help a friend" we're kinda thinking "well why hasnt xyz put money in"
HOWEVER, on the other hand, when MominIowa desperately needed help, people kindly donated and I collected donations from UK members whilst Minksy kindly collected donations from USA/Canadian members.
When the donations came flooding in i was so totally overwhelmed by people's generosity! I can't describe the emotions I was just so totally overwhelmed, amazed, gobsmacked...so many emotions.
When something wonderful happens at FG we're all touched, we sniffle, we have tears in our eyes and we get very emotional. But when you're actually part of that emotion it becomes SO overwhelming! Your heart almost bursts with joy at the sheer love and kindness that pour out from people - and when you consider we're just keyboard friends - none of us had even met each other at that point. But to actually SEE so much true kindness and generosity just fills you up and you well up and you feel the need to gush 'thankyou oh thankyou, thankyou so very much' at everyone.
At the time I put a thread up and named those who had sent money. They didn't ask for it or expect it. They were probably even a little embarrassed by it! But I didn't do it to say "Look what we in the UK have done" or "WE'VE raised money, why haven't YOU?" I did it because i was so choked up with emotion at everyone's kindness and generosity that I had to find someway to say thnkyou or else i would have exploded from all the emotion I was feeling.
And Hamster I think, has a heart of pure gold. She strikes me as the sort of person who would do anything for you and always be there for you whenever she was needed. And I bet she was overwhelmed with emotion when she saw people's donations flooding in too as they come with SO MUCH love and kindness and goodwill! And then she probably felt the least she could do was say thankyou to people as their donations flooded in. Thankyou is such a small word and doesn't convey the overwhelming sense of gratitude you feel as you realise just how many wonderful and generous people there ARE in this world!
And now she's been saddened because so many people have squashed that bubble of happiness. She probably feels she's just saying thankyou, others feel she's shoving it down their throats. There's no happy medium here. I think all we can do is accept that some people want to donate to some causes and some don't. And that if a thread is about donating to a cause and you don't agree with it, then perhaps it would be easier to stay away from that thread. Because the problem here is that YES, snooze is right - the omissions are noticeable and YES, hammy's right - people should be thanked for their generosity even though they don't expect it or ask for it, it's polite if nothing else and it lets them know their payment was received safely. Two rights don't make a wrong and I'm sorry for waffling on for so long about this...but I really feel hammy should be appreciated for her kind heart and generosity in doing this and I feel snooze should be appreciated for having the courage to say that even though it's for a good cause it does (unintentionally) feel as if you're being pushed into doing something you may not wish to do.
I've developed pretty thick skin here, but we've got other members that might not feel so wonderful about this rather zealous method of getting donations.
I have to say, I'm a fence-sitter on this vote as I can see it from both sides.
I agree with snooze, when you see a list of people's names you DO seem to automatically think "oh, so-and-so's name isn't on the list when I thought it would be" I think it's human nature to be more negative and critical rather than positive and upbeat (especially as we get older). So rather than thinking "oh how wonderful, what lovely people donating to help a friend" we're kinda thinking "well why hasnt xyz put money in"
HOWEVER, on the other hand, when MominIowa desperately needed help, people kindly donated and I collected donations from UK members whilst Minksy kindly collected donations from USA/Canadian members.
When the donations came flooding in i was so totally overwhelmed by people's generosity! I can't describe the emotions I was just so totally overwhelmed, amazed, gobsmacked...so many emotions.
When something wonderful happens at FG we're all touched, we sniffle, we have tears in our eyes and we get very emotional. But when you're actually part of that emotion it becomes SO overwhelming! Your heart almost bursts with joy at the sheer love and kindness that pour out from people - and when you consider we're just keyboard friends - none of us had even met each other at that point. But to actually SEE so much true kindness and generosity just fills you up and you well up and you feel the need to gush 'thankyou oh thankyou, thankyou so very much' at everyone.
At the time I put a thread up and named those who had sent money. They didn't ask for it or expect it. They were probably even a little embarrassed by it! But I didn't do it to say "Look what we in the UK have done" or "WE'VE raised money, why haven't YOU?" I did it because i was so choked up with emotion at everyone's kindness and generosity that I had to find someway to say thnkyou or else i would have exploded from all the emotion I was feeling.
And Hamster I think, has a heart of pure gold. She strikes me as the sort of person who would do anything for you and always be there for you whenever she was needed. And I bet she was overwhelmed with emotion when she saw people's donations flooding in too as they come with SO MUCH love and kindness and goodwill! And then she probably felt the least she could do was say thankyou to people as their donations flooded in. Thankyou is such a small word and doesn't convey the overwhelming sense of gratitude you feel as you realise just how many wonderful and generous people there ARE in this world!
And now she's been saddened because so many people have squashed that bubble of happiness. She probably feels she's just saying thankyou, others feel she's shoving it down their throats. There's no happy medium here. I think all we can do is accept that some people want to donate to some causes and some don't. And that if a thread is about donating to a cause and you don't agree with it, then perhaps it would be easier to stay away from that thread. Because the problem here is that YES, snooze is right - the omissions are noticeable and YES, hammy's right - people should be thanked for their generosity even though they don't expect it or ask for it, it's polite if nothing else and it lets them know their payment was received safely. Two rights don't make a wrong and I'm sorry for waffling on for so long about this...but I really feel hammy should be appreciated for her kind heart and generosity in doing this and I feel snooze should be appreciated for having the courage to say that even though it's for a good cause it does (unintentionally) feel as if you're being pushed into doing something you may not wish to do.
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valerie;452851 wrote: I think a lot of you want to hold Snooze in particular to a
different standard. And I don't think that's right.
But I *wanna* keep Snoozie on a pedestal :p :-4
different standard. And I don't think that's right.
But I *wanna* keep Snoozie on a pedestal :p :-4
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Hamster;452974 wrote: I can't really be bothered with this anymore. Every time I log in here I get several PM's telling me its a good idea and to ignore those who disagree with this.
It ironically enough takes me long enough to answer these-so I have no idea how long it would take to organise this kind of thing purely over emails/pm's. Its already taken me ages to sort this out and its taking time out of my business too.
I am already financially stuggling to put enough hours in as a (previously) single parent and am now at the stage where I am finding it hard to put food on my own table.
Glaring omissions aside...I can count at least 5 people who have donated and asked not to be mentioned publicly so it doesn't point the finger at anyone when they don't appear on my "list".
I will answer any outstanding PM's asking for donation details and any further but I no longer can be bothered to take the negativity that is coming here. Especially when those raising these issues cannot find it within themselves to voice their opinions through a PM to me first.
I set out to help a friend in trouble (and yes he is a friend and I know him and trust him) and that is still my intention here. I wont be posting anything else for a while as I am not really in the best frame of mind and would end up getting myself in even more trouble.
Hammy :-4
You've expressed your thoughts and intentions beautifully
Thank you for *all* that you've done :-6
It ironically enough takes me long enough to answer these-so I have no idea how long it would take to organise this kind of thing purely over emails/pm's. Its already taken me ages to sort this out and its taking time out of my business too.
I am already financially stuggling to put enough hours in as a (previously) single parent and am now at the stage where I am finding it hard to put food on my own table.
Glaring omissions aside...I can count at least 5 people who have donated and asked not to be mentioned publicly so it doesn't point the finger at anyone when they don't appear on my "list".
I will answer any outstanding PM's asking for donation details and any further but I no longer can be bothered to take the negativity that is coming here. Especially when those raising these issues cannot find it within themselves to voice their opinions through a PM to me first.
I set out to help a friend in trouble (and yes he is a friend and I know him and trust him) and that is still my intention here. I wont be posting anything else for a while as I am not really in the best frame of mind and would end up getting myself in even more trouble.
Hammy :-4
You've expressed your thoughts and intentions beautifully
Thank you for *all* that you've done :-6
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SnoozeControl;453054 wrote: I'd like to apologize to anyone here I might have offended during this discussion. I realize Hamster has a good heart, that was never the issue. I've tried to express my thoughts and feelings as clearly and politely as possible, but unfortunately things got a little heated and poor Hammy probably got her feelings hurt. For that, I'm very sorry.
Youve already apologised and I for one dont think its necessary. You and hammy both have good hearts, you've both tried to express yourselves clearly and politely and you've probably both had your feelings hurt. People who agree with you know they are in the right. Likewise, people who agree with hammy know they are in the right. As children it's so often a case of "I'm right, therefore you must be wrong" As adults, too many times we find we're both right - there are as many "right" sides as there are facets on a diamond. What we need to do is find a way of dealing with this type of issue in the future so that no feathers are ruffled.
Youve already apologised and I for one dont think its necessary. You and hammy both have good hearts, you've both tried to express yourselves clearly and politely and you've probably both had your feelings hurt. People who agree with you know they are in the right. Likewise, people who agree with hammy know they are in the right. As children it's so often a case of "I'm right, therefore you must be wrong" As adults, too many times we find we're both right - there are as many "right" sides as there are facets on a diamond. What we need to do is find a way of dealing with this type of issue in the future so that no feathers are ruffled.
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SnoozeControl;453054 wrote: I'd like to apologize to anyone here I might have offended during this discussion. I realize Hamster has a good heart, that was never the issue. I've tried to express my thoughts and feelings as clearly and politely as possible, but unfortunately things got a little heated and poor Hammy probably got her feelings hurt. For that, I'm very sorry.
I don't think either you or Hammy should be attacked for expressing your opinions.
Aren't we supposed to be adults here?
You each have a right to your point of view. And I truly respect you both for expressing it.
And you should *not* have to apologize for it either :-6
I don't think either you or Hammy should be attacked for expressing your opinions.
Aren't we supposed to be adults here?
You each have a right to your point of view. And I truly respect you both for expressing it.
And you should *not* have to apologize for it either :-6
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SnoozeControl;453054 wrote: I'd like to apologize to anyone here I might have offended during this discussion. I realize Hamster has a good heart, that was never the issue. I've tried to express my thoughts and feelings as clearly and politely as possible, but unfortunately things got a little heated and poor Hammy probably got her feelings hurt. For that, I'm very sorry.
I think it takes a big person to apologize. I for one, accept, Snooze. Hopefully you accepted mine?
I get overheated and wrapped up too sometimes. Especially when I am trying to make my point. It was brought to my attention by a friend that I can be very emphatic in my posts and therefore am often thought to come off angry. I will try in the future to tone down my posts. If anyone gets offended at me, you are always welcome to PM me like a certain other person did yesterday and give me a chance to clear it up.
I do understand both sides that were presented. I think Rapunzel did a very good job putting forth her thoughts.
Anyway, Snooze, sorry to hijack your apology.
I think it takes a big person to apologize. I for one, accept, Snooze. Hopefully you accepted mine?
I get overheated and wrapped up too sometimes. Especially when I am trying to make my point. It was brought to my attention by a friend that I can be very emphatic in my posts and therefore am often thought to come off angry. I will try in the future to tone down my posts. If anyone gets offended at me, you are always welcome to PM me like a certain other person did yesterday and give me a chance to clear it up.
I do understand both sides that were presented. I think Rapunzel did a very good job putting forth her thoughts.
Anyway, Snooze, sorry to hijack your apology.
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RedGlitter;453097 wrote: I think it takes a big person to apologize. I for one, accept, Snooze. Hopefully you accepted mine?
I get overheated and wrapped up too sometimes. Especially when I am trying to make my point. It was brought to my attention by a friend that I can be very emphatic in my posts and therefore am often thought to come off angry. I will try in the future to tone down my posts. If anyone gets offended at me, you are always welcome to PM me like a certain other person did yesterday and give me a chance to clear it up.
I do understand both sides that were presented. I think Rapunzel did a very good job putting forth her thoughts.
Anyway, Snooze, sorry to hijack your apology.
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I get overheated and wrapped up too sometimes. Especially when I am trying to make my point. It was brought to my attention by a friend that I can be very emphatic in my posts and therefore am often thought to come off angry. I will try in the future to tone down my posts. If anyone gets offended at me, you are always welcome to PM me like a certain other person did yesterday and give me a chance to clear it up.
I do understand both sides that were presented. I think Rapunzel did a very good job putting forth her thoughts.
Anyway, Snooze, sorry to hijack your apology.
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SnoozeControl;453125 wrote: No problem, Red.
Anyway, back to my suggestion that we get some neutral members to draw up a draft? Just for the entertainment purposes, I nominate Spot and Anastrophe to head the discussion group. :sneaky:
There'll be no fireworks there then;) :rolleyes:
Anyway, back to my suggestion that we get some neutral members to draw up a draft? Just for the entertainment purposes, I nominate Spot and Anastrophe to head the discussion group. :sneaky:
There'll be no fireworks there then;) :rolleyes:
Can go from 0 - to bitch in 3.0 seconds .
Smile people :yh_bigsmi
yep, this bitch bites back .
Smile people :yh_bigsmi
yep, this bitch bites back .
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Rap, I love what you said, sort of what I was thinking but was unable to express so eloquently, well done you.
:yh_worshp :yh_clap
:yh_worshp :yh_clap
Originally Posted by spot
She is one fit bitch innit, that Immy
Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time
She is one fit bitch innit, that Immy
Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time
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Imladris;453131 wrote: Rap, I love what you said, sort of what I was thinking but was unable to express so eloquently, well done you.
:yh_worshp :yh_clap
Lol. Thankyou Imladris, thats so sweet of you. :-4 personally I think I came across very 'fluffily'. Duh!
I dont see any real point in drawing up guidelines to this as probably no one will keep to them and I'm sure Anasassyfrassy and Spot dont need the headache of trying to sort it all out. Why not just keep it to one thread and avoid it if we dont agree with it? Were all adults and can decide if we want to read a thread or not, cant we?
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Lol. Thankyou Imladris, thats so sweet of you. :-4 personally I think I came across very 'fluffily'. Duh!
I dont see any real point in drawing up guidelines to this as probably no one will keep to them and I'm sure Anasassyfrassy and Spot dont need the headache of trying to sort it all out. Why not just keep it to one thread and avoid it if we dont agree with it? Were all adults and can decide if we want to read a thread or not, cant we?
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Rapunzel;453161 wrote: Why not just keep it to one thread and avoid it if we dont agree with it? Were all adults and can decide if we want to read a thread or not, cant we?
Rapper
I like your suggestion
It's straightforward and simple :-6
Rapper
I like your suggestion
It's straightforward and simple :-6
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I agree with rap. too. if people on fg choose to make a fundraiser out of the kindness of their heart that is their choice. what you choose to do is yours. if you are interested respond, if not, then be an adult and let it go. to each his or her own.
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Hi All,
Fundraising is actually against the terms and conditions of FG. As it stands now, the t&c's were written in relation to the public forum areas.
The place to do this type of activity would be in our new Groups area. I can modify the t&c's.
Fundraising is actually against the terms and conditions of FG. As it stands now, the t&c's were written in relation to the public forum areas.
The place to do this type of activity would be in our new Groups area. I can modify the t&c's.
Please use the "contact us" button if you need to contact a ForumGarden admin.
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SnoozeControl;453125 wrote: No problem, Red.
Anyway, back to my suggestion that we get some neutral members to draw up a draft? Just for the entertainment purposes, I nominate Spot and Anastrophe to head the discussion group. :sneaky:
in light of tombstones post (thank you) i would like to nominate snooze, red & rapunzel for this massive task if they would be prepared to consider it as a group. I think the diversity of personalities would only ensure a perfect team.
I have to add that i have crossed swords with snooze on many occasions & many threads before but on this occasion have been saddened that everything she has said has been taken the wrong way by many members not just red.
Anyway, back to my suggestion that we get some neutral members to draw up a draft? Just for the entertainment purposes, I nominate Spot and Anastrophe to head the discussion group. :sneaky:
in light of tombstones post (thank you) i would like to nominate snooze, red & rapunzel for this massive task if they would be prepared to consider it as a group. I think the diversity of personalities would only ensure a perfect team.
I have to add that i have crossed swords with snooze on many occasions & many threads before but on this occasion have been saddened that everything she has said has been taken the wrong way by many members not just red.
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buttercup;453364 wrote: I have to add that i have crossed swords with snooze on many occasions & many threads before but on this occasion have been saddened that everything she has said has been taken the wrong way by many members not just red.
BCup
Another nice and honest post from you
I appreciate what you're saying :-6
BCup
Another nice and honest post from you
I appreciate what you're saying :-6
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SnoozeControl;453642 wrote: Thanks for thinking of me, but no thanks! I think it's pretty obvious that I annoy people even when I'm on my best behavior (ie. being taken the wrong way) ... I think I'll just stick to the fluffy threads for now. :rolleyes:
you dont annoy me snooze. you have an opinion and yu speak your mind. i respect that.
you dont annoy me snooze. you have an opinion and yu speak your mind. i respect that.
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guppy;453647 wrote: you dont annoy me snooze. you have an opinion and you speak your mind. i respect that.
What gup said!!!
What gup said!!!
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Betty Boop;452136 wrote: I think this thread is necessary, yes it's wonderful that we have helped people out. What worries me is that guests are reading all about our generosity, it needs to be more discreet.
What I say below bears no relevance to Jimbo, Suzy, BR, Mom or anyone else who has recieved help or gifts, they are members we have grown to love and respect.
I just think we all need to be more aware of the levels some people will sink to. People who are willing to 'scam' people out of money will do so over a long period of time, they only need to join up here, be a member for a few months, win our trust and then announce they have a 'problem'. There are the obvious scammers like 'Rent help needed', and there are the more sophisticated ones that will work on us over time. Just think of all the people that have been scammed over the years, from forums to the little old lady being ripped off by cowboy builders, those people truly believed the things the scammers said.
EVERYBODY is at risk.
Why is this getting personal? This isn't about peoples 'True Colours', it's about protecting ourselves.
Yes, I've been ripped off by the proverbial cowboy builders and it taught me a lesson but I would hate to think that it scared me so much that I could not help someone who has become my friend.
If, at the end of the day, it (general) turns out to be a scam it would hurt as a betrayal of trust but it's only money - friendship is far more valuable and you help your friends.
This needs to be discussed so that everybody is comforable with what is happening - just so long as no-one tries to impose their view on everybody else.
FWIW, I hope that those who want to and can are alowed to give and those that cannot or do not wish to are under no presure to do so.
(When I was ripped off, my friends rallied round and finished the building work that the b'd walked away from - and I learned a *big* lesson in life)
What I say below bears no relevance to Jimbo, Suzy, BR, Mom or anyone else who has recieved help or gifts, they are members we have grown to love and respect.
I just think we all need to be more aware of the levels some people will sink to. People who are willing to 'scam' people out of money will do so over a long period of time, they only need to join up here, be a member for a few months, win our trust and then announce they have a 'problem'. There are the obvious scammers like 'Rent help needed', and there are the more sophisticated ones that will work on us over time. Just think of all the people that have been scammed over the years, from forums to the little old lady being ripped off by cowboy builders, those people truly believed the things the scammers said.
EVERYBODY is at risk.
Why is this getting personal? This isn't about peoples 'True Colours', it's about protecting ourselves.
Yes, I've been ripped off by the proverbial cowboy builders and it taught me a lesson but I would hate to think that it scared me so much that I could not help someone who has become my friend.
If, at the end of the day, it (general) turns out to be a scam it would hurt as a betrayal of trust but it's only money - friendship is far more valuable and you help your friends.
This needs to be discussed so that everybody is comforable with what is happening - just so long as no-one tries to impose their view on everybody else.
FWIW, I hope that those who want to and can are alowed to give and those that cannot or do not wish to are under no presure to do so.
(When I was ripped off, my friends rallied round and finished the building work that the b'd walked away from - and I learned a *big* lesson in life)
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SnoozeControl;453125 wrote: No problem, Red.
Anyway, back to my suggestion that we get some neutral members to draw up a draft? Just for the entertainment purposes, I nominate Spot and Anastrophe to head the discussion group. :sneaky:
for the entertainment purposes, of course :wah:
Anyway, back to my suggestion that we get some neutral members to draw up a draft? Just for the entertainment purposes, I nominate Spot and Anastrophe to head the discussion group. :sneaky:
for the entertainment purposes, of course :wah:
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guppy;453647 wrote: you dont annoy me snooze. you have an opinion and yu speak your mind. i respect that.
She annoys the hell out of me. You'd think she'd get tired of changing her phone number so often.
She annoys the hell out of me. You'd think she'd get tired of changing her phone number so often.
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Accountable;453741 wrote: She annoys the hell out of me. You'd think she'd get tired of changing her phone number so often.
:wah: :wah:
:wah: :wah:
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I'm just glad to see that we have a forum where people can post what they think without being somehow shut up. Believe me, this is rare and is one of the things which sets ForumGarden apart. I've been a bit out of it and had missed the whole issue that gave rise to this thread. I was interested to read what everyone had to say. A variety of views, with good points on all sides.
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
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Hamster;453883 wrote: I'd like to publicly apologise to Snooze and others here. I shouldn't have posted what I did. I should learn not to even be on here when I am not in the right frame of mind...and for that I am sorry....
Snooze.....:-4
Don't worry squeaky we still love you..
Friends don't need to apologize..
Snooze.....:-4
Don't worry squeaky we still love you..
Friends don't need to apologize..
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.
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Accountable;453741 wrote: She annoys the hell out of me. You'd think she'd get tired of changing her phone number so often.
Gee
The number she gave me is always out of order
Gee
The number she gave me is always out of order
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As I scrolled through the thread I was intrigued to write this statement... I hope I am not dredging up bad things here....:-6
During the last year, my life dramatically changed...I thought I had my cancer under control only for it to comeback with avengence..I was very down,very sick, and very worried about my children and what would become of my family..I had some of the most incredible friends from the ONLY forum I had participated in, send me some wonderful cards, gifts for my children and also money...BUT most importantly always their best wishes and smiles everyday..I could grab the computer at the hospital and log on to find that not only did I miss them -they missed me...I got through that time in my life and still am fighting the battle...but in turn would I help anyone of you?..YES! Call me a sucker or call me dumb - but I believe in the best of someone till I see different....and rarely,being blessed, have I been a giver and never a receiver of at least the love of another..I was raised to "give the shirt off your back" by my mother...and have passed this onto my children..One Christmas my name was put on the list for "Secret Santa" from our firestation...in return every year since, my children go to the store and purchase a toy to donate for them or we do the Toys for Tots ride here...Sometimes life does give you lemons and maybe when you are helped out it makes the road seem so UN-Traveled alone...I am blessed that my FG friends are a part of my life...and in return I would give them the world if I could...Life --yes it is tough for all of us...Everyone of us has has a rough thing or two happen to them....and with an open heart and a giving soul do we survive? YES! I am THANKFUL for you all---named or not..You have made my battle with the beast a smoother one...and for my children! Thank you..:-4
During the last year, my life dramatically changed...I thought I had my cancer under control only for it to comeback with avengence..I was very down,very sick, and very worried about my children and what would become of my family..I had some of the most incredible friends from the ONLY forum I had participated in, send me some wonderful cards, gifts for my children and also money...BUT most importantly always their best wishes and smiles everyday..I could grab the computer at the hospital and log on to find that not only did I miss them -they missed me...I got through that time in my life and still am fighting the battle...but in turn would I help anyone of you?..YES! Call me a sucker or call me dumb - but I believe in the best of someone till I see different....and rarely,being blessed, have I been a giver and never a receiver of at least the love of another..I was raised to "give the shirt off your back" by my mother...and have passed this onto my children..One Christmas my name was put on the list for "Secret Santa" from our firestation...in return every year since, my children go to the store and purchase a toy to donate for them or we do the Toys for Tots ride here...Sometimes life does give you lemons and maybe when you are helped out it makes the road seem so UN-Traveled alone...I am blessed that my FG friends are a part of my life...and in return I would give them the world if I could...Life --yes it is tough for all of us...Everyone of us has has a rough thing or two happen to them....and with an open heart and a giving soul do we survive? YES! I am THANKFUL for you all---named or not..You have made my battle with the beast a smoother one...and for my children! Thank you..:-4
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Dear Mom !!! You are one of our finest FGers and give us all here far more than we could ever give you!!! I think many of us truly love you. :-4
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"