Would you be able to post some info (and or links) for me or others
who might have an interest on Vitamin D treatment to help with
insomnia? (Dosage per day is my main interest!)
I'd appreciate it and this is a serious request! There may be something
around here of yours but I'm not finding it, I guess.
Thanks in advance.
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Question for TedH...
Question for TedH...
Val... My response isnt about Vitaman D... But... I purchased a pill called Kalms when I was in England. I Contains Valerian a root known to calm and promote sleep. i was afraid to take it until I read up on it. I started taking it a couple of weeks ago. I am sleeping straight through for 9 hours. Something I havent experienced in a very long time.
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Question for TedH...
Thanks so much... been using the valerian for a few months now.
Pretty subtle... I was going for something more but less than script
stuff...
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Pretty subtle... I was going for something more but less than script
stuff...
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Question for TedH...
valerie;455238 wrote: Would you be able to post some info (and or links) for me or others
who might have an interest on Vitamin D treatment to help with
insomnia? (Dosage per day is my main interest!)
I'd appreciate it and this is a serious request! There may be something
around here of yours but I'm not finding it, I guess.
Thanks in advance.
:-6
As a nutritional therapist of some ten years, and supplement designer, I can assure you that vitamin D will not help your insomnia, and, if used incorrectly, it can harm you.
Isolated nutrients go in and out of style all the time in my world. Currently, vitamin D is experiencing a resurgence in popularity, based on some very poor science that is being championed by a few zealots who do not understand it.
Years ago it was discovered that there was a statistical connection between people having heart attacks and cholesterol. So, in our infinite wisdom, we all, began obsessing about lowering our cholesterol. But that, alone, does not reduce one's risk of a heart attack.
The same logic applies here. You may well be low in vitamin D. But you're probably low in a lot of other things, too.
The reasons for your insomnia cannot be solved by popping a pill, whether vitamin D or ambien. You have to take the time to assess the underlying metabolic issues that are in play here, as well as the environmental ones.
If you go to a lunatic on an internet posting board for your health advice, the odds are you won't wind up very healthy.
who might have an interest on Vitamin D treatment to help with
insomnia? (Dosage per day is my main interest!)
I'd appreciate it and this is a serious request! There may be something
around here of yours but I'm not finding it, I guess.
Thanks in advance.
:-6
As a nutritional therapist of some ten years, and supplement designer, I can assure you that vitamin D will not help your insomnia, and, if used incorrectly, it can harm you.
Isolated nutrients go in and out of style all the time in my world. Currently, vitamin D is experiencing a resurgence in popularity, based on some very poor science that is being championed by a few zealots who do not understand it.
Years ago it was discovered that there was a statistical connection between people having heart attacks and cholesterol. So, in our infinite wisdom, we all, began obsessing about lowering our cholesterol. But that, alone, does not reduce one's risk of a heart attack.
The same logic applies here. You may well be low in vitamin D. But you're probably low in a lot of other things, too.
The reasons for your insomnia cannot be solved by popping a pill, whether vitamin D or ambien. You have to take the time to assess the underlying metabolic issues that are in play here, as well as the environmental ones.
If you go to a lunatic on an internet posting board for your health advice, the odds are you won't wind up very healthy.
Question for TedH...
I'm EXTREMELY healthy thank you very much. Off this morning to give
a pint of blood which will bring me up to FIVE GALLONS with this blood
bank.
AND, Mr. "supplement designer" I don't appreciate hearing you call
TedH a lunatic.
Sheesh what is it with people this morning?
a pint of blood which will bring me up to FIVE GALLONS with this blood
bank.
AND, Mr. "supplement designer" I don't appreciate hearing you call
TedH a lunatic.
Sheesh what is it with people this morning?
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Question for TedH...
alobar51 is right about Vitamin d and it's lack of effect directly on insomnia. It will help with depression and in dealing with that it may have a knock on effect on your sleeping pattern.
There's some fairly sound advice about insomnia here
If I were to think about a supplement to help insomnia I'd go for Magnesium See Alternative Health
Treatment Tips for Insomnia We can get Magnesium Chloride flakes for melting snow/ice on the drive, so it's handy to have a bag at hand as it doesn't kill the plants like salt does. Anyway a jug of this in your bath before you go to bed would relax your muscles and because some magnesium is absorbed through the skin it may reduce your anxiety levels and help you have a better nights sleep. In the uk it's next to nothing about £6.75 a 25kg sack, we find it in builders merchants or agricultural suppliers.
You can increase the amount of magnesium in your diet by looking at these foodsources you can also pay attention to how you cook your veg. The magnesium is water soluble so it leaches out if you boil, it's better to steam to retain more magnesium in the food. If you could incorporate the liquor the veg was cooked into some gravy or soup you'll consume more.
Anyone concerned about Vitamin d Toxicity may care to educate themselves by reading one of the most recent publication on the matter here
I appreciate that some people have a financial interest in ensuring others don't get to stay well and healthy for free so will do anything to hype up the dangers of free stuff like sunshine or unpatentable cheap supplements like cholecalciferol.
Alobar is also right about the Cholesterol myth though. This file has some easy to read charts that display the impact of cholesterol on risk, alongside that of age, blood pressure . The lack of a significant impact, particularly for women I found most interesting that said I think alobar will eventually have to change his mind on the Vitamin D story, but again he's right that in that vitamin d is implicated in a very complicated dance between calcium, potassium, magnesium with all of them having an impact on so many aspects of health both mental and physical and an imbalance in one having a impact on the uptake of the others. The lunatic though in my opinion is the person who doesn't keep his eye on the latest research and isn't able to support his claims by reference to published research.
PS: Just realised I didn't actually answer valerie's question about how much vitamin d3 cholecalciferol is worth taking daily. A lot depends on where you live. I presume USA but thats a big place. The calculator here enables you to work out if you are still able to get a bit of vitamin d from sunlight if you go outside and if it is warm enough to take some clothes off. This link will warn you if you as to how likely you are to sunburn if it's fit to go outside. Dr Cannel suggests around 2000iu a day should suit most people if they aren't able to sunbathe and don't have access to a UVB specific sunlamp. If you're depressed then the Veith research supports the use of 4000iu/d and this is well within the current understandings of the toxicity of Cholecalciferol. Don't use D2 ergocalciferol. I've used the best source of capsules recommended on the Vitamin D council website and not had any trouble though I wish they'd get a secure website and reduce the overseas postage charge.
The Antibiotic Vitamin Deficiency in vitamin D may predispose people to infection Janet Raloff may be interesting reading for some here.
There's some fairly sound advice about insomnia here
If I were to think about a supplement to help insomnia I'd go for Magnesium See Alternative Health
Treatment Tips for Insomnia We can get Magnesium Chloride flakes for melting snow/ice on the drive, so it's handy to have a bag at hand as it doesn't kill the plants like salt does. Anyway a jug of this in your bath before you go to bed would relax your muscles and because some magnesium is absorbed through the skin it may reduce your anxiety levels and help you have a better nights sleep. In the uk it's next to nothing about £6.75 a 25kg sack, we find it in builders merchants or agricultural suppliers.
You can increase the amount of magnesium in your diet by looking at these foodsources you can also pay attention to how you cook your veg. The magnesium is water soluble so it leaches out if you boil, it's better to steam to retain more magnesium in the food. If you could incorporate the liquor the veg was cooked into some gravy or soup you'll consume more.
Anyone concerned about Vitamin d Toxicity may care to educate themselves by reading one of the most recent publication on the matter here
I appreciate that some people have a financial interest in ensuring others don't get to stay well and healthy for free so will do anything to hype up the dangers of free stuff like sunshine or unpatentable cheap supplements like cholecalciferol.
Alobar is also right about the Cholesterol myth though. This file has some easy to read charts that display the impact of cholesterol on risk, alongside that of age, blood pressure . The lack of a significant impact, particularly for women I found most interesting that said I think alobar will eventually have to change his mind on the Vitamin D story, but again he's right that in that vitamin d is implicated in a very complicated dance between calcium, potassium, magnesium with all of them having an impact on so many aspects of health both mental and physical and an imbalance in one having a impact on the uptake of the others. The lunatic though in my opinion is the person who doesn't keep his eye on the latest research and isn't able to support his claims by reference to published research.
PS: Just realised I didn't actually answer valerie's question about how much vitamin d3 cholecalciferol is worth taking daily. A lot depends on where you live. I presume USA but thats a big place. The calculator here enables you to work out if you are still able to get a bit of vitamin d from sunlight if you go outside and if it is warm enough to take some clothes off. This link will warn you if you as to how likely you are to sunburn if it's fit to go outside. Dr Cannel suggests around 2000iu a day should suit most people if they aren't able to sunbathe and don't have access to a UVB specific sunlamp. If you're depressed then the Veith research supports the use of 4000iu/d and this is well within the current understandings of the toxicity of Cholecalciferol. Don't use D2 ergocalciferol. I've used the best source of capsules recommended on the Vitamin D council website and not had any trouble though I wish they'd get a secure website and reduce the overseas postage charge.
The Antibiotic Vitamin Deficiency in vitamin D may predispose people to infection Janet Raloff may be interesting reading for some here.
Question for TedH...
Thank you very much Ted for taking the time to answer. I will look at those
links further when I have a little more time.
I'm in an area where this time of year I get very little sunshine. Too many
days of rain or too cold to sit out without being bundled up... certainly
defeats the purpose.
I think my magnesium levels are fine but will check.
Thanks again for giving me some info.
:-6
links further when I have a little more time.
I'm in an area where this time of year I get very little sunshine. Too many
days of rain or too cold to sit out without being bundled up... certainly
defeats the purpose.
I think my magnesium levels are fine but will check.
Thanks again for giving me some info.
:-6