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I really hate it when politicians think they know better than their constituents they are supposed to be representing. :mad: :mad:



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LifeSiteNews.com

Friday November 10, 2006





Massachusetts Legislature Refuses to Vote on Marriage Ballot Measure

Seen by many as means of bypassing democratic process



By Hilary White



BOSTON, November 10, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Massachusetts state legislators are putting the constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman on the back burner in a move seen by many as a means of bypassing the democratic process.



Legislators, led by Senate President Robert Travaglini and House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi, were not asked to decide on the marriage amendment, but only whether the people of Massachusetts should have a say in a plebiscite in the 2008 election. But the legislature voted to close yesterday for its winter recess without voting on the question of putting the amendment on the ballot and will not sit again until January. By then, a vote is unlikely to be brought forward.



House Speaker DiMasi has gone on record saying that lawmakers must make sure that the issue of same-sex marriage “never, ever appears as a question on the ballot.



Republican Gov. Mitt Romney said that the vote should have been taken. "If people want same-sex marriage, then take a vote. But don't allow the constitution and rule of law not to work," he said.



A poll taken on Sunday showed even more public support for the democratic process itself than for marriage. 56% said they want marriage on a ballot initiative even while 63% of those said they would vote against the question. Constitutional amendments banning gay “marriage have so far passed in 27 of 28 states.



The 109-87 vote to recess without voting on the petition leaves family advocates in the position of trying to force a vote before the House session ends in January or the initiative will die. Under Massachusetts law, the proposed constitutional amendment must be supported by a quarter of the Legislature - or 50 members in two consecutive sessions to make it to the 2008 ballot.



At the last minute, legislators unanimously rejected a constitutional amendment that would have banned gay “marriage and rescinded the public recognition of the 8000 or so homosexual unions legalized in the state. The refusal to address the question has been seen as a panic response to the passage in Tuesday’s mid-term election of amendments to ban gay “marriage in Colorado, Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia and Wisconsin.



Kris Mineau of the Massachusetts Family Institute said he was disappointed that the legislators had ignored the constitutional process. "The people's right to free speech is being throttled. The people's right to vote is being throttled."



One legislator excoriated the decision saying it was an example of liberal hypocrisy. “The gracious people, the socially conscious people, the liberal people, you're the ones who always want everyone to be heard. What about these 170,000 people?" said Democratic Rep. Marie Parente.



Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

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Bump because I can't believe nobody cares that politicians are using a spineless sidestep maneuver to keep the public for voting on something they obviously find very important.



Or do you honestly believe that government knows best?
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Hamster;461162 wrote: That kind of thing happens all the time here...It winds me up!



When they know they would lose (or it would not go the way they want) in a public vote they side step the issue and "reschedule" it for after some upcoming election....
In this particular case it must be voted on in two consecutive sessions. By delaying it till the next session they have effectively killed it. All those thousands of citizens have been disenfranchised.
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Hamster;461253 wrote: Is there a time limit over there then as to how long they can delay it?



Why does it kill it?? Usually here it loses momentum and people lose interest...
The rules are complex on purpose, so that only the most deserving changes to the constitution actually occur. Since the legislature won't vote on it in two consecutive sessions, the measure is dead and the people have to start at square one again, gathering thousands of signatures.
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I'm conflicted on this one. I think a republic is the best form of government. On the other hand, they are using the republic to thwart the will of the people. I don't know why they souldn't all lose their seats in the next election. That's probably another angle... they have probably timed it so the people will have lost their memory of this by then. Slime.:(
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i am hijacking this thread for one minute. my son told me that a lady is running for a seat that will make her third in command under the president. have you heard this?
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guppy;461996 wrote: i am hijacking this thread for one minute. my son told me that a lady is running for a seat that will make her third in command under the president. have you heard this?
Are you talking about Nancy Pelosi?
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Accountable;462094 wrote: Are you talking about Nancy Pelosi?


I dont know....am I?:o
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flopstock;462099 wrote: If the President dies, the vice president takes over the office

If the vice president and president die, the speaker of the house of representatives takes over office.

If all three die in a tragic boating accident, the president pro tempore of the senate....



it goes on and on...:wah:



there are still those confused as to exactly where alexander haig falls in there, however..:D


thanks. did not know all this. :-2
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