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This issue came up in LadyCop's "Safety for Women" thread.

Please see: http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=21552



I'm an American and a woman and for the most part, over here, we are taught from childhood on to always be wary of strangers. Children are taught to never get in the car (or even close to one) of someone they don't know. Girls are taught to suspect strange men. Sometimes even ones they know, because he could be a potential molester. Women should never get into an elevator with a man unless there are other people also in the elevator. We should not walk the streets at night. Etc. I've thought about this issue before, if it's fair that women carry the burden of assuming that every man could be guilty just because he's a man. :thinking: I assumed this was the norm pretty much everywhere but possibly not.



So rather than further hijack LC's thread with this discussion, I'm bringing it here. I think it's worthy of talking about and I hope to get some input from everyone.



Is "stranger danger" an American concept or do you practice it in your country too?



If you are a woman, do you feel you have to be careful and wary of men you don't know?



Would you be just as careful around other women you didn't know or just men?



Do you think it's wise to be cautious or do you think all this caution prevents neighborliness in our society by making us fear each other?



If you're a man, are you conscious of strange women being cautious around you? Are you offended? Or do you accept it as the way it has to be?



If you're a man, are you cautious around strange women, thinking they may pose danger to you or not? Why? Are you cautious of other men?



I look forward to hearing what you all have to offer on this. :)
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I hate to admit this red, but i never think about the elevater thing. I am cautious but maybe not enough. Like i said before i hardly ever lock my doors. it is not uncommon for any one of my neighbors to come borrow something out of the kitchen when i am not here and leave me a note. i have been guilty of doing the same thing to them.



The simple truth is if someone wants to hurt you, you will proabably never see it coming.



i have always taken my kids and did whatever i wanted. camping, hotels, parks, blah blah , blah. i have been on my own for so long that i probably am alot more cautious than i think. i am used to watching out for them. when i am out of town i am alot more cautious to lock doors on my auto, rooms, and stuff. I think nothing of planning and going on trips with my two best friends. both women. We have done it so long ,it is just a way of life now.
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Acquaintance rape is a sexual assault crime committed by someone who knows the victim. Here are some facts about acquaintance rape:

* It can happen any time and any place

* The rapist may be a date, neighbor, boss, colleague, delivery person, repair worker, spouse or anyone else you know. Rapists are not usually strangers. Studies show:

* Over 80% of rape survivors were assaulted by someone they knew.

* 47% were raped by dates.

* One in four college women were victims of rape or attempted rape while they were students. Eight-four percent of them knew the rapist. Fifty-seven percent of the rapes happened during a date. (Dr. Mary Koss, researcher at Kent State University)

* Acquaintance rape is rarely reported to police. Less than 2% of acquaintance rape victims reported the assault; 21% of women raped by strangers report the crime to police.

* Twelve percent of college men reported that they had physically restrained a woman to gain sexual advantage.
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I'd side on the overriding imporance of neighbourliness, for whatever my view's worth.

Here's an anecdotal example. The day after my family last moved house, I sent my elder daughter out to the local park - it's around a mile by two miles in extent - with a camera (she'd used it quite often prior to the move), suggesting she ask people she met for permission to photograph them, and to tell us who they were and what they'd talked about when she got the film back from the 1 hour developing lab down the road. She was gone for a couple of hours and came back with 36 exposures and a story to tell of each. She was nine years old at the time. She still mentions it on occasion.
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guppy;463562 wrote: I hate to admit this red, but i never think about the elevater thing. I am cautious but maybe not enough. Like i said before i hardly ever lock my doors. it is not uncommon for any one of my neighbors to come borrow something out of the kitchen when i am not here and leave me a note. i have been guilty of doing the same thing to them.

The simple truth is if someone wants to hurt you, you will proabably never see it coming.



i have always taken my kids and did whatever i wanted. camping, hotels, parks, blah blah , blah. i have been on my own for so long that i probably am alot more cautious than i think. i am used to watching out for them. when i am out of town i am alot more cautious to lock doors on my auto, rooms, and stuff. I think nothing of planning and going on trips with my two best friends. both women. We have done it so long ,it is just a way of life now.


Guppy, when I was growing up, in smaller town America, things were like this. We only locked the doors if we were out, or when we went to bed at night. Company came over, just walked right in.

At 5 years old, I would be sent to the small grocer a few blocks away, with my list...yeah, I would have to have the owner help me read it..and I would give him the money, he would give me the change..no worries about being molested or kidnapped.

I would be out playing with my friends all day...and as long as I checked in at least once during the day, all was fine.

I had never even heard the term "stranger danger"..but remember being taught to be cautious around strangers. I remember once a friend and I had gone to the park. We had brought a picnic lunch and all. Anyway, on the way home, an oldr man in a car pulled up, and motioned us to come to the car, called us to get in. We just ran. You never know.

I think kids need to be taught caution and awareness of thier surroundings. To know who the "safe" people are (police, firefighters, store clerks etc).

And teach your kids thier own full names and the full names of thier parents. In case of emergency.
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Marie5656;463575 wrote: Guppy, when I was growing up, in smaller town America, things were like this. We only locked the doors if we were out, or when we went to bed at night. Company came over, just walked right in.

At 5 years old, I would be sent to the small grocer a few blocks away, with my list...yeah, I would have to have the owner help me read it..and I would give him the money, he would give me the change..no worries about being molested or kidnapped.



I would be out playing with my friends all day...and as long as I checked in at least once during the day, all was fine.



I had never even heard the term "stranger danger"..but remember being taught to be cautious around strangers. I remember once a friend and I had gone to the park. We had brought a picnic lunch and all. Anyway, on the way home, an oldr man in a car pulled up, and motioned us to come to the car, called us to get in. We just ran. You never know.

I think kids need to be taught caution and awareness of thier surroundings. To know who the "safe" people are (police, firefighters, store clerks etc).



And teach your kids thier own full names and the full names of thier parents. In case of emergency.


my kids pretty much grew up this way too marie. they stayed out all day playing. they could be down the river, a neighbors, anywhere. i know they rode their fourwheelers for miles and miles along the river and the woods. but they were always in groups and looked out for eachother. but i can tell you we are a nosey bunch. if a strange vehicle came up in this area, the phones would be ringing in one second. by the time the vehicle parked or left, everybody would know about it.
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An interesting fact from another source

Fact 78% of women know their attacker, often a casual acquaintance or friend. 60% take place in the woman’s home.
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If you are female, you have almost 100% chance of being raped and may be killed if you get into a vehicle.


I actually saw this on a google search. I may be killed if I get into a vehicle. There's a news flash. :rolleyes:

Guess I'll be buying a bicycle. Is that how I'm supposed to react to this crap. I refuse to live that way, or bring my daughter up to live that way.
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Magenta flame;463598 wrote: Great thread RED!



OK I've read through it and have just asked my kids . The scenario I gave them is this.



If you are riding home on your bike or walking home from school and someone from the area "that you know" pulls up and tells you that mums had an accident and been taken to hospital and they offer to drive you home or to the hospital what would you do? My question entailed -A man we know who lives in our town, a parent of a friend you know from school, A friend of ours.





I'm allowing them to write their answer here by themselves.



Age 11

"If some one tells me that, I would go home and ring my dad at work. To see if he knows anything about mum. But if it was a family friend I would go with them."



(I've nominated two people for them to trust in this situation)



Age eight

"I would say no because they could Torcher me and probally kill me."



Well there you have it :)


you have done really well with your kids. be proud
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koan;463586 wrote: I actually saw this on a google search. I may be killed if I get into a vehicle. There's a news flash. :rolleyes:



Guess I'll be buying a bicycle. Is that how I'm supposed to react to this crap. I refuse to live that way, or bring my daughter up to live that way.


Doesn't it mean if you get into a stranger's vehicle koan? i will admit one of the stupidest things i ever did was when i had to walk home from college one time. about six miles into it, i had a man pull over and over me a ride. i took it.
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I'm always cautious, and I have several reasons to be.

While on vacation I was in the elevator alone, a man enters, now its just the two of us. While he entered I moved to my corner - looked directly at him, and he had better move to his corner. My corner is always next to the control panel. Yes, I had things running thru my mind, ask what floor - and hope it's a short ride without complications.

Yesterday at the grocery store, I'm putting grocery's in the trunk of my car, a man approaches me to compliment me on my tan. I went around to the other side of the grocery cart to put a distance between us, and made a short comment and continued with the grocery's, the man wanted to continue talking - I closed the trunk - put the last few bags in the front seat, locked the car and walked back towards the store, the man then walked away - towards the store in another aisle.

I'm approached all the time, some harmless and some I don't know the intentions.

Common sense - and a man should know there needs to be a distance - a safe space between eachother - so we're both comfortable..

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Im sure i read a story not so long ago (i'll try to dig it out) about a girl hitching and when a family pulled up, man woman and a baby she thought she was perfectly safe . She went on to be held for about 8 years in a box under his bed .
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from:

MEDIA CONSUMPTION AND PUBLIC ATTITUDES TOWARD CRIME AND

JUSTICE: THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FEAR OF CRIME, PUNITIVE

ATTITUDES, AND PERCEIVED POLICE EFFECTIVENESS

by

Kenneth Dowler

Department of Criminal Justice

California State University at Bakersfield

Gerbner et al (1980) find that individuals who watch a large amount of television are more likely to feel a greater threat from crime, believe crime is more prevalent than statistics indicate, and take more precautions against crime. They find that crime portrayed on television is significantly more violent, random, and dangerous than crime in the “real world. The researchers argue that viewers internalize these images and develop a “mean world view or a scary image of reality. This view is characterized by “mistrust, cynicism, alienation, and perceptions of higher than average levels of threat of crime in society (Surette, 1990:8).
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Ever since I've gotton my new car, all kinds of people stop me to talk about it, mostly men. I was leaving the book store one day when a man knocked on the window of my door. I jumped about a foot, stared at him and then cracked the window a little. He asked me about my car. But he keep a safe distace from the car and was very polite and even invited me to come eat at his establishment any time.

I've had people walk up to me at gas stations, the mall and the red lights. I keep telling my friends I'm gonna get jacked. But I can't seem to part with my car. :driving:

I don't worry about men in elevators or in general as long as I don't put myself in danger. If I get mad or scared at a stranger, I can hurt 'em. That whole fight or flight thng goes into overdrive. :D
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Bollock$ I say! I've hitched to and fro. When my car broke down in the middle of a snow storm at 11 oclock at night, it was a stranger (guy in leathers) who took me home. SAFELY AND SOUNDLY!!! I am with Spot on this one. This circus of fear we are fed is ridiculous. Most crime towards women is by someone who knows them already. If you are not a prostitute on a street corner, then you may not have to really be overly concerned about the ride you take. If you are, then you might worry a little more.



Strangers? Strangers only offered me kindness without asking anything in return. Most of my best friends were strangers when I met them. I have alot to thank strangers for. The good samaritan was a stranger. Strangers? To me there is nothing to be afraid of. These people mean no harm to me. I refuse to pay back their kindness with unmitigated fear.
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Raven

I've had several strangers help me out in different situation - whether my car broke down, or they carried something to my car for me, your still vulnerable.So, you've never had a bad situation - your lucky.

Being approached by a man is a totally different situation, I was putting grocerys in my car and the man could've made a comment & moved on but didn't. He didn't ask to help with the grocerys, he wanted to know about my TAN.. So, he's already checked me out and I was uncomfortable.

I'm always aware of my surroundings - I don't appreciate anyone in my face or in my space. All I'm saying is men should allow a comfortable space for conversation.

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Patsy Warnick;464012 wrote: Raven



I've had several strangers help me out in different situation - whether my car broke down, or they carried something to my car for me, your still vulnerable.So, you've never had a bad situation - your lucky.

Being approached by a man is a totally different situation, I was putting grocerys in my car and the man could've made a comment & moved on but didn't. He didn't ask to help with the grocerys, he wanted to know about my TAN.. So, he's already checked me out and I was uncomfortable.

I'm always aware of my surroundings - I don't appreciate anyone in my face or in my space. All I'm saying is men should allow a comfortable space for conversation.



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Dont get me wrong, Patsy. I am not suggesting you shouldnt be aware of who is around you at all times. There are evil people everywhere. But they are not everybody and they are not the majority of folks.
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Diuretic;464047 wrote: Quite some time ago I read a piece which suggested that men should be educated into how to behave to reassure a woman that he (the bloke) wasn't a threat to her.



It said how he should walk to the other side of the footpath if he was walking towards her or even cross to the other side of the road to give her space. There were lots of other ideas.



On the surface they seemed reasonable. But then I thought, if some mongrel with bad intent was reading this then they'd have a clue as to how to fool a woman into thinking she was safe from him, that he was somehow some sort of Sensitive New Age Guy instead of being a Mongrel B*stard from Hell.



Best that women keep their tactics for safety to themselves. Let us blokes behave as we normally do, at least we're somewhat predictable then.
Actually my husband just brought up a good point. This goes two ways. Chicks are just as apt to holler 'rape' as blokes are to actually doing it.
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I read an article a while ago about a man who got women into his car and raped or murdered them. When the police caught him they asked him how he got so many women into his car without a struggle. He said that he would go to a mall parking lot, run up to a woman alone and beg help for his sick child who was in his car. He'd say the mother was away and he didn't know what to do. Apparently the mothering instinct rushed to the fore and every single woman he approached ran to help him and his 'sick child' out. It was a while ago but I think he either forced them into his car or said the child was home alone and could the woman come with him in the car. He apparently appeared genuine and desperate! And they all fell for it!

The team tested his theory and asked women if they would go with a man to help a sick child. They agreed they would. And even knowing this, I think if someone ran up to me begging for help for a very sick child I don't know if I'd even think of any potential danger, I think I'd just go to help, as I hope someone would help my kids if they needed it.
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