Well I don't think I would bring up the bible in a morale discussion myself... but someone always does.
As to why we can't all get along? weeeeeeelll.... some of the clubs have disliking certain people in their charter. Some clubs are formed entirely out of mutual dislike.
Why can't the KKK and the Black panthers get along??? Gee I wonder.
It would be nice if people spent more time in discussion and less time in combat though.
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WyrdJesan;466077 wrote: Well I don't think I would bring up the bible in a morale discussion myself... but someone always does.
As to why we can't all get along? weeeeeeelll.... some of the clubs have disliking certain people in their charter. Some clubs are formed entirely out of mutual dislike.
Why can't the KKK and the Black panthers get along??? Gee I wonder.
It would be nice if people spent more time in discussion and less time in combat though.
You might think about taking some of your own advice. You seem to be the largest combat person.
As to why we can't all get along? weeeeeeelll.... some of the clubs have disliking certain people in their charter. Some clubs are formed entirely out of mutual dislike.
Why can't the KKK and the Black panthers get along??? Gee I wonder.
It would be nice if people spent more time in discussion and less time in combat though.
You might think about taking some of your own advice. You seem to be the largest combat person.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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I'm sorry if I come accross that way. I'm not aggresive, just very very blunt and literal.
I think you've taken offense at something I said, which is a shame because I wasn't trying to offend anyone.
What was it I said that was offensive?
I think you've taken offense at something I said, which is a shame because I wasn't trying to offend anyone.
What was it I said that was offensive?
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WyrdJesan;466098 wrote: I'm sorry if I come accross that way. I'm not aggresive, just very very blunt and literal.
I think you've taken offense at something I said, which is a shame because I wasn't trying to offend anyone.
What was it I said that was offensive?
Good grief, if you are asking me you are asking the wrong person. I am lucky to remember the last post. But I do remember very well how posts by certain people make me feel and your posts make my hair stand on end and I want to scream that that isn't the way it is. That would be your blunt and literal(unfeeling) presentation. It is like you have feelings that you want recognized but you don't recognize the feelings of others. You want to be blunt and literal, aggressive and unfeeling, then that is what you will get back. Take your pick.
I think you've taken offense at something I said, which is a shame because I wasn't trying to offend anyone.
What was it I said that was offensive?
Good grief, if you are asking me you are asking the wrong person. I am lucky to remember the last post. But I do remember very well how posts by certain people make me feel and your posts make my hair stand on end and I want to scream that that isn't the way it is. That would be your blunt and literal(unfeeling) presentation. It is like you have feelings that you want recognized but you don't recognize the feelings of others. You want to be blunt and literal, aggressive and unfeeling, then that is what you will get back. Take your pick.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Homosexuality and Leviticus
Well then maybe it's just a language thing. I'm very mathematical when I talk.
If A = B and B = C... etc....
Maybe I could just state more disclaimers my own perspective is my own perspective???
Sorry if I give you the wiggins, it wasn't my intent... doesn't give me a whole lot to go off of though.
That's the thing with text... some people are more dry and sardonic, and it can come off as unfeeling when you don't have body language or facial expressions (emotes don't count)
If you have time and want to continue this discussion then by all means check out which post first made you upset. I talk a lot but this is only my second page on this site.
I sure hope I haven't insulted everyone *:o
I promise to shut up for a couple pages if other people want to continue.
If A = B and B = C... etc....
Maybe I could just state more disclaimers my own perspective is my own perspective???
Sorry if I give you the wiggins, it wasn't my intent... doesn't give me a whole lot to go off of though.
That's the thing with text... some people are more dry and sardonic, and it can come off as unfeeling when you don't have body language or facial expressions (emotes don't count)
If you have time and want to continue this discussion then by all means check out which post first made you upset. I talk a lot but this is only my second page on this site.
I sure hope I haven't insulted everyone *:o
I promise to shut up for a couple pages if other people want to continue.
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WyrdJesan;466111 wrote: Well then maybe it's just a language thing. I'm very mathematical when I talk.
If A = B and B = C... etc....
Maybe I could just state more disclaimers my own perspective is my own perspective???
Sorry if I give you the wiggins, it wasn't my intent... doesn't give me a whole lot to go off of though.
That's the thing with text... some people are more dry and sardonic, and it can come off as unfeeling when you don't have body language or facial expressions (emotes don't count)
If you have time and want to continue this discussion then by all means check out which post first made you upset. I talk a lot but this is only my second page on this site.
I sure hope I haven't insulted everyone *:o
I promise to shut up for a couple pages if other people want to continue.
I'm not going to go back and give examples, that just fires things up. It is not the fact that you came across as unfeeling. It is that you came across as the injured party with some kind of a license thereby to call everybody else's beliefs down and wrong because you surely believed you were so right. I did the same sort of thing myself, probably still do and it is not hard to tell here when you are putting people off. Nobody wants to talk with someone who thinks they are right all the time and everybody else is wrong. You take your knocks and learn.
If A = B and B = C... etc....
Maybe I could just state more disclaimers my own perspective is my own perspective???
Sorry if I give you the wiggins, it wasn't my intent... doesn't give me a whole lot to go off of though.
That's the thing with text... some people are more dry and sardonic, and it can come off as unfeeling when you don't have body language or facial expressions (emotes don't count)
If you have time and want to continue this discussion then by all means check out which post first made you upset. I talk a lot but this is only my second page on this site.
I sure hope I haven't insulted everyone *:o
I promise to shut up for a couple pages if other people want to continue.
I'm not going to go back and give examples, that just fires things up. It is not the fact that you came across as unfeeling. It is that you came across as the injured party with some kind of a license thereby to call everybody else's beliefs down and wrong because you surely believed you were so right. I did the same sort of thing myself, probably still do and it is not hard to tell here when you are putting people off. Nobody wants to talk with someone who thinks they are right all the time and everybody else is wrong. You take your knocks and learn.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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Wyrd:-6
I could be wrong but I think what weber was saying in #154 that we get out of life what we put into it.
If we put in love we get love back. If we put in anger then folks reflect that anger back to us.
This does not mean that we should not express our feelings but there are ways to do so that engender a positive response.
weber can correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I could be wrong but I think what weber was saying in #154 that we get out of life what we put into it.
If we put in love we get love back. If we put in anger then folks reflect that anger back to us.
This does not mean that we should not express our feelings but there are ways to do so that engender a positive response.
weber can correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;466137 wrote: Wyrd:-6
I could be wrong but I think what weber was saying in #154 that we get out of life what we put into it.
If we put in love we get love back. If we put in anger then folks reflect that anger back to us.
This does not mean that we should not express our feelings but there are ways to do so that engender a positive response.
weber can correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I love you Ted. You know me better than I know myself. That is exactly what I was trying to say but you say it so much better. Thank you:-4
I could be wrong but I think what weber was saying in #154 that we get out of life what we put into it.
If we put in love we get love back. If we put in anger then folks reflect that anger back to us.
This does not mean that we should not express our feelings but there are ways to do so that engender a positive response.
weber can correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I love you Ted. You know me better than I know myself. That is exactly what I was trying to say but you say it so much better. Thank you:-4
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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weber:-6
Thanks. Perhaps I've just had a little more practice.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thanks. Perhaps I've just had a little more practice.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ok. Good point Ted. Lets just not take it to an eye for an eye. Leads to lots of empty sockets.
But ummmmmm what am I supposed to do?
I upset someone but they won't tell me how.
I can't address the problem, or make amends or anything.
But web... I'm not going to stop saying things diffinitively that are as difinitive as you can objectively get. I hope, if there is a fairly objective flaw to my thinking someone will point it out. Otherwise I'll just keep on living with flawed logic.
But ummmmmm what am I supposed to do?
I upset someone but they won't tell me how.
I can't address the problem, or make amends or anything.
But web... I'm not going to stop saying things diffinitively that are as difinitive as you can objectively get. I hope, if there is a fairly objective flaw to my thinking someone will point it out. Otherwise I'll just keep on living with flawed logic.
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Wyrd:-6
First of all I mean absolutely no offense to anyone.
I was somewhat offended by both your posts #131 and #134. Since I thought I could see where you were coming from I ignored it.
I'm no good at the quoty thingy so will have to do my best this way. Your implications were that we ought not to be discussing the issue at all, I suppose because we are not of an alternate sexual orientation. You also said something to the effect that whether or not you were good or bad was no ones business so don't make any comments. Now I may be wrong in my interpretation. However, that is how it came across. If it was not the intent then you might consider my point that one can state their complaints without engendering anger from others. It requires some thought about who your audience is.
The topic is not new. Its as old as the human race. It has come up time and again throughout the history of man. However, it does continue to raise its ugly head. As I said before, personally I do not think it should be an issue anywhere but it is.
If I remember correctly I was asked why I or anyone else who was not gay were even concerned. I responded to this with the fact that I oppose injustice wherever I can within the skills and persuasiveness that I can muster. If there is injustice in this world in any place there is injustice around the world. For some of us when our fellow humans are being hurt we hurt as well. Why? Because we care as fellow travelers on our journey. We cross paths and we part or sometimes we cross paths and travel together for awhile.
With all due respect when someone I meet on my journey tells me to get lost, I can do so. I as an individual find it offensive when someone for whom I express some concern bluntly tells be to get lost. There are other ways to do that. I am visually impaired and when folks offer to help me across the road sometimes I am pleased to accept their offer and sometimes I respond with thank you for your concern but I think I can do this one without to much trouble but it was kind of you to offer.
All of that being said, for you I can get lost, if you wish, but I will continue to oppose injustice because I care. Others appreciate my efforts on their behalf and others say thank you for your offer but I think I can handle this one on my own.
No offense intended but you ask for a response. I tried to do it more subtly though commenting about injustice but the message did not seem to get through.
In the true sense of the word
Shalom
Ted:-6
First of all I mean absolutely no offense to anyone.
I was somewhat offended by both your posts #131 and #134. Since I thought I could see where you were coming from I ignored it.
I'm no good at the quoty thingy so will have to do my best this way. Your implications were that we ought not to be discussing the issue at all, I suppose because we are not of an alternate sexual orientation. You also said something to the effect that whether or not you were good or bad was no ones business so don't make any comments. Now I may be wrong in my interpretation. However, that is how it came across. If it was not the intent then you might consider my point that one can state their complaints without engendering anger from others. It requires some thought about who your audience is.
The topic is not new. Its as old as the human race. It has come up time and again throughout the history of man. However, it does continue to raise its ugly head. As I said before, personally I do not think it should be an issue anywhere but it is.
If I remember correctly I was asked why I or anyone else who was not gay were even concerned. I responded to this with the fact that I oppose injustice wherever I can within the skills and persuasiveness that I can muster. If there is injustice in this world in any place there is injustice around the world. For some of us when our fellow humans are being hurt we hurt as well. Why? Because we care as fellow travelers on our journey. We cross paths and we part or sometimes we cross paths and travel together for awhile.
With all due respect when someone I meet on my journey tells me to get lost, I can do so. I as an individual find it offensive when someone for whom I express some concern bluntly tells be to get lost. There are other ways to do that. I am visually impaired and when folks offer to help me across the road sometimes I am pleased to accept their offer and sometimes I respond with thank you for your concern but I think I can do this one without to much trouble but it was kind of you to offer.
All of that being said, for you I can get lost, if you wish, but I will continue to oppose injustice because I care. Others appreciate my efforts on their behalf and others say thank you for your offer but I think I can handle this one on my own.
No offense intended but you ask for a response. I tried to do it more subtly though commenting about injustice but the message did not seem to get through.
In the true sense of the word
Shalom
Ted:-6
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We live in a world in which reproduction is culturally reinforced and the prejudice against homosexuality is similar to that when the elderly have sex, or people with severe physical dissabilities having sex.
What is lost on people throughout time is the contribution gay men and women have made to the cultural sphere in the world. Leonardo, Michelangelo, Raphael - all gay. Just take 20th century composers for instance: Samuel Barber, Leonard Bernstein, John Cage, Lou Harrison, Benjamin Britten, Aaron Copeland, again, all gay. Not having children gives a focused creative individual the time and money to create works of art. Also I know many artists who are strait who have not chosen to have children for similar reasons: they will have to give up their lifes work if they reproduce. It is unfortunate because I know some who want to be parents but in this society that does not value art, or anyone without money for that matter, it is easier to make ends meet as a single person rather than supporting children. Such choices are common for artists of all stripes.
As for myself I have had a boy friend and a number of girlfriends and am currently in a relationship with a woman (who is black). I am sure some of those reading get the image of a bisexual promiscous man but this is not true. I just live and where ever my life goes, well, that is where it goes.
What is lost on people throughout time is the contribution gay men and women have made to the cultural sphere in the world. Leonardo, Michelangelo, Raphael - all gay. Just take 20th century composers for instance: Samuel Barber, Leonard Bernstein, John Cage, Lou Harrison, Benjamin Britten, Aaron Copeland, again, all gay. Not having children gives a focused creative individual the time and money to create works of art. Also I know many artists who are strait who have not chosen to have children for similar reasons: they will have to give up their lifes work if they reproduce. It is unfortunate because I know some who want to be parents but in this society that does not value art, or anyone without money for that matter, it is easier to make ends meet as a single person rather than supporting children. Such choices are common for artists of all stripes.
As for myself I have had a boy friend and a number of girlfriends and am currently in a relationship with a woman (who is black). I am sure some of those reading get the image of a bisexual promiscous man but this is not true. I just live and where ever my life goes, well, that is where it goes.
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telephoto:-6
Well put. Thanks.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Well put. Thanks.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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[quote=weber;466197]Holy Smokes
Sounds like maybe we should all be gay and contribute to the world.......one teeny tiny problem......within a short time there would be no world. The world isn't focused on production......the world IS, people exist, because of reproduction. Some gay people contribute. And because of the higher percentages of heterosexuals, I suspect there are a larger number of heterosexuals who contribute, probably mostly because of the percentages. I think you need to look elsewhere to find a good reason to be homosexual.[/quote]
This line got me. Weber, is there also a good reason to be *hetero?* Could we maybe just say "we are what we are?"
I tend to stay out of the gay issue because frankly, I just don't care any more than I care about my own heteroness. It's just something , to me, that is. Whether I am comfy with it or not, it is going to be there. Maybe I took you wrong, but lots of people don't reproduce, gay or straight. I don't see the big deal. If everyone had even just one child there soon would be no room to live so it all comes out in the wash.
Sadly for me, this convo didn't go where I had hoped to see it go, and that is to the issue of "Dr. Laura" herself. I know lots of people like her. But that said, I find her dang scary. You know, you can take a stooge like Rush Limbaugh who spouts the same jive and laugh at him but someone who presents themself as Laura does is dangerous. There are people who are incapable of thinking for themselves who actually buy into her tripe. Scary indeed.
Sounds like maybe we should all be gay and contribute to the world.......one teeny tiny problem......within a short time there would be no world. The world isn't focused on production......the world IS, people exist, because of reproduction. Some gay people contribute. And because of the higher percentages of heterosexuals, I suspect there are a larger number of heterosexuals who contribute, probably mostly because of the percentages. I think you need to look elsewhere to find a good reason to be homosexual.[/quote]
This line got me. Weber, is there also a good reason to be *hetero?* Could we maybe just say "we are what we are?"
I tend to stay out of the gay issue because frankly, I just don't care any more than I care about my own heteroness. It's just something , to me, that is. Whether I am comfy with it or not, it is going to be there. Maybe I took you wrong, but lots of people don't reproduce, gay or straight. I don't see the big deal. If everyone had even just one child there soon would be no room to live so it all comes out in the wash.
Sadly for me, this convo didn't go where I had hoped to see it go, and that is to the issue of "Dr. Laura" herself. I know lots of people like her. But that said, I find her dang scary. You know, you can take a stooge like Rush Limbaugh who spouts the same jive and laugh at him but someone who presents themself as Laura does is dangerous. There are people who are incapable of thinking for themselves who actually buy into her tripe. Scary indeed.
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weber;466197 wrote: Sounds like maybe we should all be gay [...] people exist, because of reproduction [...]I think you need to look elsewhere to find a good reason to be homosexual.All be gay? There it is, in a nutshell. We don't want an entirely homosexual world, we'd die out. There's three times as many people on the planet now as when I was young, though, so there's obviously far too high a proportion of breeders among us. Half the planet admitting they're gay would sort it far quicker than getting the Catholic Church to encourage contraception.
Why do people not come out? Where's the pressure from? Fundamentalist oldsters, mostly. How do we change their minds? Vote in equal pension rights. All those born-again pensioners would get married to their buddies if they were allowed to inherit pension rights from each other. We'd be a half-and-half gay and straight society within a year, the way God intended.
Why do people not come out? Where's the pressure from? Fundamentalist oldsters, mostly. How do we change their minds? Vote in equal pension rights. All those born-again pensioners would get married to their buddies if they were allowed to inherit pension rights from each other. We'd be a half-and-half gay and straight society within a year, the way God intended.
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weber;466251 wrote: If half of us were gay, we'd likely all end up that wayI'd never thought the advantages were quite so apparent. You really think it's that attractive a way of life? Suppress homosexuality, it's too much fun for the world to resist otherwise?
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I don't have any statistics but I tend to think half of the world probably *is* gay. You know that saying "we are everywhere."
I have a friend who thinks being gay is a type of birth defect. Like Downs Syndrome or what have you. I don't know about that but it would seem to me that if we can accept that God intended for babies to be born retarded, that it's just as sensible to figure God intended some people to be gay. What is that expression? "God doesn't make mistakes?" I'ms ure a lot of gays come from abusive homes just like straight people do. But what about the ones who have loving families and good education, etc etc? How do we explain them away?
I have a friend who thinks being gay is a type of birth defect. Like Downs Syndrome or what have you. I don't know about that but it would seem to me that if we can accept that God intended for babies to be born retarded, that it's just as sensible to figure God intended some people to be gay. What is that expression? "God doesn't make mistakes?" I'ms ure a lot of gays come from abusive homes just like straight people do. But what about the ones who have loving families and good education, etc etc? How do we explain them away?
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weber;466288 wrote: Just my opinion but I don't think God intended for babies to be born retarded or with Downs. Once again I think that is a product of our failings, our sexual perversions, our defective genes brought about by our own behavior.Have a quiet think about what a parent of a child with Downs syndrome might make of that suggestion. Would they accept their guilt, or feel annoyance that someone might suggest that their previous behaviour had anything to bring on the condition? When you've got that image in your head, extend it to your other comments. At the rate you're going, you'll be bringing such parents before a court of law and presenting their children as evidence of parental neglect in their upbringing. The whole notion of personal fault giving rise to a poor genetic inheritance is something for which you need to provide supporting evidence. Maybe Lamarck was right after all, but you'd need to show examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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weber;466314 wrote: Aw c'mon Spot
We're talking genes with Downs Syndrome. The behavior belongs to abuse and such. Abuse doesn't cause Downs but it does cause homosexuality(sexual abuse to be precise) and behavior problems in later life.
Please do not respond as I am tired of being misread, misquoted and misunderstood and I will respond no more.What on earth did you mean by "I don't think God intended for babies to be born retarded or with Downs. Once again I think that is a product of our failings, our sexual perversions, our defective genes brought about by our own behavior", then, if you weren't associating the condition with "our failings, our sexual perversions, our defective genes brought about by our own behavior"? If you didn't mean what you seem to have written then do by all means clarify it or better yet, retract.
We're talking genes with Downs Syndrome. The behavior belongs to abuse and such. Abuse doesn't cause Downs but it does cause homosexuality(sexual abuse to be precise) and behavior problems in later life.
Please do not respond as I am tired of being misread, misquoted and misunderstood and I will respond no more.What on earth did you mean by "I don't think God intended for babies to be born retarded or with Downs. Once again I think that is a product of our failings, our sexual perversions, our defective genes brought about by our own behavior", then, if you weren't associating the condition with "our failings, our sexual perversions, our defective genes brought about by our own behavior"? If you didn't mean what you seem to have written then do by all means clarify it or better yet, retract.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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telephoto lens;466191 wrote: Leonardo, Michelangelo, Raphael - all gay. Just take 20th century composers for instance: Samuel Barber, Leonard Bernstein, John Cage, Lou Harrison, Benjamin Britten, Aaron Copeland, again, all gay.
Really?? Just from curiosity of course, but has somebody found some kind of record of that, or is it conjecture? Especially the pre-20th guys.
I only ask because I find it supremely irrelevant who made Leonardo's willy wakey, and figure that any conjecture about it is from someone more concerned with legitimizing homosexuality than with the real truth.
Really?? Just from curiosity of course, but has somebody found some kind of record of that, or is it conjecture? Especially the pre-20th guys.
I only ask because I find it supremely irrelevant who made Leonardo's willy wakey, and figure that any conjecture about it is from someone more concerned with legitimizing homosexuality than with the real truth.
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weber;466323 wrote: I deleted. Now you delete what you copied and I wash my hands of this vile subject.You cannot be serious.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;466326 wrote: You cannot be serious.
I was serious, I was angry, I'll get over it.:guitarist
I was serious, I was angry, I'll get over it.:guitarist
miriam:yh_flower
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Accountable;466320 wrote: Really?? Just from curiosity of course, but has somebody found some kind of record of that, or is it conjecture? Especially the pre-20th guys.
I only ask because I find it supremely irrelevant who made Leonardo's willy wakey, and figure that any conjecture about it is from someone more concerned with legitimizing homosexuality than with the real truth.
Was Leonardo gay?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/leonardo/life.html
Was Michelangelo gay?
http://www.gayheroes.com/mich.htm
And I am looking for Raphael...
As for 'legitimizing homosexuality' I think historical gay research it is a matter of recognizing the positive contributions gay men and women made to their society. There is so much emphasis of 'immoral gays' by those who are threatened by homosexuality the natural responce to this perspective is to show positive contributions by gay men and women.
After spending years in and out:-2 of the gay community and partaking in the strait community for even more years I can definitively state that there is no difference in the quality of individuals or intelligence or morality or ethical behavior or the lack of. People are people and with warts and all.
Individuals who proclaim their personal superiority, whether gay or strait, make me laugh and I think all these people should be stuck together on a dessert island so the could partake in an orgy of egotism. These people just don't want to recognize that there is more that unites individuals than separates them, and you, whether strait or gay, are virtually identical in your humanity.
But to these statements you will most certainly hear:
'I am not identical to a (fill in the blank).' And so on and so forth.....:-5
I only ask because I find it supremely irrelevant who made Leonardo's willy wakey, and figure that any conjecture about it is from someone more concerned with legitimizing homosexuality than with the real truth.
Was Leonardo gay?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/leonardo/life.html
Was Michelangelo gay?
http://www.gayheroes.com/mich.htm
And I am looking for Raphael...
As for 'legitimizing homosexuality' I think historical gay research it is a matter of recognizing the positive contributions gay men and women made to their society. There is so much emphasis of 'immoral gays' by those who are threatened by homosexuality the natural responce to this perspective is to show positive contributions by gay men and women.
After spending years in and out:-2 of the gay community and partaking in the strait community for even more years I can definitively state that there is no difference in the quality of individuals or intelligence or morality or ethical behavior or the lack of. People are people and with warts and all.
Individuals who proclaim their personal superiority, whether gay or strait, make me laugh and I think all these people should be stuck together on a dessert island so the could partake in an orgy of egotism. These people just don't want to recognize that there is more that unites individuals than separates them, and you, whether strait or gay, are virtually identical in your humanity.
But to these statements you will most certainly hear:
'I am not identical to a (fill in the blank).' And so on and so forth.....:-5
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Hey Flop Ya gotta admit the jury's still out on the women one.:wah: 
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flopstock;466656 wrote: I'm telling hillary on you!:p :wah:
Whewwww. That one coulda went either way. Good sens of humor Flops.
Whewwww. That one coulda went either way. Good sens of humor Flops.
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flopstock;466668 wrote: What can I say..you caught me when the PMS was on the wane...
:wah:
PMS= Poor men suffer
:wah:PMS= Poor men suffer
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YZGI;466673 wrote: PMS= Poor men suffer
urk:eek:
urk:eek:
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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spot;466246 wrote: All be gay? There it is, in a nutshell. We don't want an entirely homosexual world, we'd die out. There's three times as many people on the planet now as when I was young, though, so there's obviously far too high a proportion of breeders among us. Half the planet admitting they're gay would sort it far quicker than getting the Catholic Church to encourage contraception.
Why do people not come out? Where's the pressure from? Fundamentalist oldsters, mostly. How do we change their minds? Vote in equal pension rights. All those born-again pensioners would get married to their buddies if they were allowed to inherit pension rights from each other. We'd be a half-and-half gay and straight society within a year, the way God intended.
Spot, The reason they dont come out... is because there still exists places in our country where they risk being brutalized, or even killed. Sometimes just for the sport of it. I have thought for a long time that there should be a third catagory of people. Straight, Gay, and Joy. The joy people have no gender boundaries and are gender blind. They dont even think about it. They just live life totally unfocused on genitalia and love some people and dislike others regardless of their sex.
Why do people not come out? Where's the pressure from? Fundamentalist oldsters, mostly. How do we change their minds? Vote in equal pension rights. All those born-again pensioners would get married to their buddies if they were allowed to inherit pension rights from each other. We'd be a half-and-half gay and straight society within a year, the way God intended.
Spot, The reason they dont come out... is because there still exists places in our country where they risk being brutalized, or even killed. Sometimes just for the sport of it. I have thought for a long time that there should be a third catagory of people. Straight, Gay, and Joy. The joy people have no gender boundaries and are gender blind. They dont even think about it. They just live life totally unfocused on genitalia and love some people and dislike others regardless of their sex.
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Hey, my middle name is Joy. No kidding !!!
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
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weeder;466994 wrote: Spot, The reason they dont come out... is because there still exists places in our country where they risk being brutalized, or even killed. Sometimes just for the sport of it. I have thought for a long time that there should be a third catagory of people. Straight, Gay, and Joy. The joy people have no gender boundaries and are gender blind. They dont even think about it. They just live life totally unfocused on genitalia and love some people and dislike others regardless of their sex.
Weeder
You are funny. I can't imagine in wildest dreams a human being not focused on genitalia.....that's a bit like ignoring that you have a tongue to speak. But there are bisexual people who swing either way....would that fit the bill.
Do homosexuals actually get brutalized and killed? That is a very sad thought. No one should live under that kind of fear.
Weeder
You are funny. I can't imagine in wildest dreams a human being not focused on genitalia.....that's a bit like ignoring that you have a tongue to speak.
But there are bisexual people who swing either way....would that fit the bill.Do homosexuals actually get brutalized and killed? That is a very sad thought. No one should live under that kind of fear.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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AussiePam;467030 wrote: Hey, my middle name is Joy. No kidding !!!
I'll sing Joy to the World with new meaning this year lil Aussie:-6 :-4
I'll sing Joy to the World with new meaning this year lil Aussie:-6 :-4
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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Sans dec!!! Grin. I always thought it was a big suss and dodgy as a name, but I've kinda grown to like it!! Thanks Weber!
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
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weber:-6
"Do homosexual people still get brutalized etc."
The answer is an unequivocal yes. It happens all around the world. A few years ago a young gay man was murdered, in Vancouver, because he was gay. Gay folks are assaulted regularly in Vancouver.
This issue is to be discussed at a special synod of the diocese of British Columbia in June of 2007. In preparation for this I have been studying the issue more widely. The book "Other Voices, Other Worlds" by Anglican Bishop Terry Brown is a compilation of some 20 documents published around the world dealing with this topic in many countries. People are tortured, maimed, murdered, bullied etc. because they happen to be gay.
The following sites can help one to understand the issue in a rational rather then and emotional way.
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homose ... alter-wink
Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink
http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html
Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality
They clearly show that homosexuality is not a choice but a given; that it is not abnormal but completely normal for a segment of society.
The statistics re the percentage of the population that are of an alternate sexual orientation range between 5% and 15%.
It is clearly time for the churches to get over it as well as the homophobes in society. An individual's sexual orientation is no one business except their own. It ought not to even be an issue.
Shalom
Ted:-6
"Do homosexual people still get brutalized etc."
The answer is an unequivocal yes. It happens all around the world. A few years ago a young gay man was murdered, in Vancouver, because he was gay. Gay folks are assaulted regularly in Vancouver.
This issue is to be discussed at a special synod of the diocese of British Columbia in June of 2007. In preparation for this I have been studying the issue more widely. The book "Other Voices, Other Worlds" by Anglican Bishop Terry Brown is a compilation of some 20 documents published around the world dealing with this topic in many countries. People are tortured, maimed, murdered, bullied etc. because they happen to be gay.
The following sites can help one to understand the issue in a rational rather then and emotional way.
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homose ... alter-wink
Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink
http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html
Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality
They clearly show that homosexuality is not a choice but a given; that it is not abnormal but completely normal for a segment of society.
The statistics re the percentage of the population that are of an alternate sexual orientation range between 5% and 15%.
It is clearly time for the churches to get over it as well as the homophobes in society. An individual's sexual orientation is no one business except their own. It ought not to even be an issue.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;467083 wrote: weber:-6
"Do homosexual people still get brutalized etc."
The answer is an unequivocal yes. It happens all around the world. A few years ago a young gay man was murdered, in Vancouver, because he was gay. Gay folks are assaulted regularly in Vancouver.
It is clearly time for the churches to get over it as well as the homophobes in society. An individual's sexual orientation is no one business except their own. It ought not to even be an issue.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thank you so much Ted:-6
Those sites are excellent and I will peruse them more closely. I had no idea that gay people were so ostracised. Obviously everybody's sex life is their own business and I agree that it is time for the Churches and everybody to get over this issue which I also agree should not even be an issue.
One of those sites has excellent questions and answers which I will read so I am more informed.
Peace
miriam:-6
"Do homosexual people still get brutalized etc."
The answer is an unequivocal yes. It happens all around the world. A few years ago a young gay man was murdered, in Vancouver, because he was gay. Gay folks are assaulted regularly in Vancouver.
It is clearly time for the churches to get over it as well as the homophobes in society. An individual's sexual orientation is no one business except their own. It ought not to even be an issue.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thank you so much Ted:-6
Those sites are excellent and I will peruse them more closely. I had no idea that gay people were so ostracised. Obviously everybody's sex life is their own business and I agree that it is time for the Churches and everybody to get over this issue which I also agree should not even be an issue.
One of those sites has excellent questions and answers which I will read so I am more informed.
Peace
miriam:-6
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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weber:-6
I do hope it helps even a little.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I do hope it helps even a little.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;467095 wrote: weber:-6
I do hope it helps even a little.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I helps a lot Ted:-4
Counting to at lease 20 is important
especially for a short fuse
Peace:-4
miriam
I do hope it helps even a little.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I helps a lot Ted:-4
Counting to at lease 20 is important
especially for a short fuse
Peace:-4
miriam
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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weber;467034 wrote: Weeder
You are funny. I can't imagine in wildest dreams a human being not focused on genitalia.....that's a bit like ignoring that you have a tongue to speak. But there are bisexual people who swing either way....would that fit the bill.
Do homosexuals actually get brutalized and killed? That is a very sad thought. No one should live under that kind of fear.
Not only are they brutalized, and killed...They are quite routinely ridiculed, humiliated, and disgraced in school and in the work place. Imagine spending your youth this way. Imagine the pain also for the parents of these children who they love. Ive had two very close gay friends who told me that at the ages of 12 and 13, upon realizing that they were homosexual... considered suicide to escape the shame and to save their parents the heartache.
No, bisexual does not fit the bill. Sexual orientation goes beyond the action of sexual activity. It is a state of mind. There are homosexuals who are celibate. I am in the joy catagory. I have had more loving relationships with other women than any man Ive ever been involved with. In the sense of receiving mutual respect, enjoying each others company, being emmotionally supported etc...... These relationships are void of any feelings of lust. But given the choice, I would rather be with them, than pursue " looking for a male to spend my time with" because to do so, would fit my " label"
Psychiatrists know that hatred is actually rooted in fear. If people were to consider that love really doesnt have any boundaries, their sense of security would be threatened and so they lash out .
You are funny. I can't imagine in wildest dreams a human being not focused on genitalia.....that's a bit like ignoring that you have a tongue to speak.
But there are bisexual people who swing either way....would that fit the bill.Do homosexuals actually get brutalized and killed? That is a very sad thought. No one should live under that kind of fear.
Not only are they brutalized, and killed...They are quite routinely ridiculed, humiliated, and disgraced in school and in the work place. Imagine spending your youth this way. Imagine the pain also for the parents of these children who they love. Ive had two very close gay friends who told me that at the ages of 12 and 13, upon realizing that they were homosexual... considered suicide to escape the shame and to save their parents the heartache.
No, bisexual does not fit the bill. Sexual orientation goes beyond the action of sexual activity. It is a state of mind. There are homosexuals who are celibate. I am in the joy catagory. I have had more loving relationships with other women than any man Ive ever been involved with. In the sense of receiving mutual respect, enjoying each others company, being emmotionally supported etc...... These relationships are void of any feelings of lust. But given the choice, I would rather be with them, than pursue " looking for a male to spend my time with" because to do so, would fit my " label"
Psychiatrists know that hatred is actually rooted in fear. If people were to consider that love really doesnt have any boundaries, their sense of security would be threatened and so they lash out .
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Ted;467083 wrote:
An individual's sexual orientation is no one business except their own. It ought not to even be an issue.
Shalom
Ted:-6
....Along with colour, race and creed Ted. We are all Members of the Human Race...'earthlings'.....It's about time people took their blinkers off and recognised the fact instead of destroying this wonderful planet we live in.
sorry to go off topic
Bez :-6
An individual's sexual orientation is no one business except their own. It ought not to even be an issue.
Shalom
Ted:-6
....Along with colour, race and creed Ted. We are all Members of the Human Race...'earthlings'.....It's about time people took their blinkers off and recognised the fact instead of destroying this wonderful planet we live in.
sorry to go off topic
Bez :-6
A smile is a window on your face to show your heart is home
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Ted,
I have to say I am so impressed with your communication and respect for others.
All your posts seem thoughtfull and thought provoking. It is really refreshing.
=)
I have to say I am so impressed with your communication and respect for others.
All your posts seem thoughtfull and thought provoking. It is really refreshing.
=)
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Wyrd:-6
Thanks.
It is good to see you back.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thanks.
It is good to see you back.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted;474170 wrote: Wyrd:-6
Thanks.
It is good to see you back.
Shalom
Ted:-6And you also Ted,:-4
Shalom
Thanks.
It is good to see you back.
Shalom
Ted:-6And you also Ted,:-4
Shalom
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Good to be here. Decided time to think would be good.
re: offense...
If you (ted) or (web) want to private me and continue the discussion I'd be more than willing. Or if you want to tackle some of it on here that's fine too.
I read and reread some of my posts and I can't pinpoint an error in reasoning or a lack of respect, but I trust other people can see me more clearly than I can myself fairly often.
I don't think I meant to say that people shouldn't stand up for eachother... if I did, or that is easily read into, I am sorry. That's not what I meant at all.
****
I see this topic come up on almost every forum I visit. And it nearly always comes back to the same arguments.
It's hard not to take personally, being the party in question.
Replace "gay people" with a persons name and you'll be a little closer to my perspective.
"Mike is bad because god said when Mike acts like Mike he is an abomination and should be put to death."
"Well I believe god loves Mike but not his Mikeish activities."
"Well I belive that god made Mike Mikeish on purpose, and has a plan for him."
And no ones bothering to ask Mike? It's like Mike is on trial or something, but he's not, people are just being philosophical about him.
But say you're Mike. How do you feel about this? Greatful that there are people standing up for you, but ultimately shocked that this is even a discussion, and even more shocked that everyone else thinks they are as much, or even more of an authority on it than you are.
I'm not saying stop talking about it. I'm saying please be more respectful. Ackowledging that if your not gay you don't really know what it means or how natural it is, can go a long way.
Most people on here have been very respectful that's why I bothered to join up. But some people weren't so I thought I'd try to make this point.
re: offense...
If you (ted) or (web) want to private me and continue the discussion I'd be more than willing. Or if you want to tackle some of it on here that's fine too.
I read and reread some of my posts and I can't pinpoint an error in reasoning or a lack of respect, but I trust other people can see me more clearly than I can myself fairly often.
I don't think I meant to say that people shouldn't stand up for eachother... if I did, or that is easily read into, I am sorry. That's not what I meant at all.
****
I see this topic come up on almost every forum I visit. And it nearly always comes back to the same arguments.
It's hard not to take personally, being the party in question.
Replace "gay people" with a persons name and you'll be a little closer to my perspective.
"Mike is bad because god said when Mike acts like Mike he is an abomination and should be put to death."
"Well I believe god loves Mike but not his Mikeish activities."
"Well I belive that god made Mike Mikeish on purpose, and has a plan for him."
And no ones bothering to ask Mike? It's like Mike is on trial or something, but he's not, people are just being philosophical about him.
But say you're Mike. How do you feel about this? Greatful that there are people standing up for you, but ultimately shocked that this is even a discussion, and even more shocked that everyone else thinks they are as much, or even more of an authority on it than you are.
I'm not saying stop talking about it. I'm saying please be more respectful. Ackowledging that if your not gay you don't really know what it means or how natural it is, can go a long way.
Most people on here have been very respectful that's why I bothered to join up. But some people weren't so I thought I'd try to make this point.
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Wyrd:-6
Personally I see no reason to pursue that any further. Thanks for the explanation.
As for the BS that too many post re the issue. Yep, I've read a lot of it and BS is exactly what it is.
It was never an issue with Jesus and since he is our measuring stick as Christians that's good enough for me. Though common sense also tells me it ought to be a non issue as well.
It is becoming and issue in our local diocese (Anglican) and is to be discussed at a special synod set up for that purpose. I do hope common sense and the love of which Jesus spoke will prevail and this issue can be resolved and laid to rest so that we can get on with life.
The only sin I see in the whole issue is the abuse to which folks of alternate sexual orientations are subjected on the part of Christians.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Personally I see no reason to pursue that any further. Thanks for the explanation.
As for the BS that too many post re the issue. Yep, I've read a lot of it and BS is exactly what it is.
It was never an issue with Jesus and since he is our measuring stick as Christians that's good enough for me. Though common sense also tells me it ought to be a non issue as well.
It is becoming and issue in our local diocese (Anglican) and is to be discussed at a special synod set up for that purpose. I do hope common sense and the love of which Jesus spoke will prevail and this issue can be resolved and laid to rest so that we can get on with life.
The only sin I see in the whole issue is the abuse to which folks of alternate sexual orientations are subjected on the part of Christians.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Thanks ted I'm glad to get onto something new. I never ment to become a one track juke-box.
What do you think will be decided at the big religious big-wig meeting?
What do you think will be decided at the big religious big-wig meeting?
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Wyrd:-6
The Diocese of New Westminster in Vancouver dealt with this issue a few years back and the Anglican church there will bless same sex unions.
We have churches in this diocese that have no problem with the topic and in fact celebrate same sex unions, albeit not in the church itself at this point as that would be illegal.
However, I do think it stands a good chance of ceasing to be an issue through a positive resolution to the whole problem. I can only pray and lobby at this point.
Shalom
Ted:-6
The Diocese of New Westminster in Vancouver dealt with this issue a few years back and the Anglican church there will bless same sex unions.
We have churches in this diocese that have no problem with the topic and in fact celebrate same sex unions, albeit not in the church itself at this point as that would be illegal.
However, I do think it stands a good chance of ceasing to be an issue through a positive resolution to the whole problem. I can only pray and lobby at this point.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Not to butt in here........I used to listen to "doctor" Laura on the radio. But first of all, I don't think that she is a doctor.
Secondly, she is very abrupt and also rude to the people who call usually. And even sarcastic at times, when she really should be rude. And she doesn't even tackle the real problems of what is happening. But people continue to call and get abused over national radio.
Once I was listening to it while I was at work. And someone slipped past the screeners. When this caller got to talk to Laura, he just blurted out "Yah, I've been sleeping with so-and-so" and he made this really really incestuous story up while on the radio. And "doctor" Laura said "well that isn't what you told the screeners". Then she said "let's go to a break now", all polite-like. It was hilarious. She got a prank phone call while on the air.:wah:
Secondly, she is very abrupt and also rude to the people who call usually. And even sarcastic at times, when she really should be rude. And she doesn't even tackle the real problems of what is happening. But people continue to call and get abused over national radio.
Once I was listening to it while I was at work. And someone slipped past the screeners. When this caller got to talk to Laura, he just blurted out "Yah, I've been sleeping with so-and-so" and he made this really really incestuous story up while on the radio. And "doctor" Laura said "well that isn't what you told the screeners". Then she said "let's go to a break now", all polite-like. It was hilarious. She got a prank phone call while on the air.:wah:
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I guess for a lot of gay people in the church this might be a pretty groundmaking/breaking discission.
I'm not religious so it's mute to me directly, but I'll be hoping for the best for any family it effects.
I think this issue pushes a button for a lot of Christ/based religions and their fundamentalist followers.
I think in a lot of ways it's a discussion about fundamentalism itself as much as a question of "alternative to heterosexual" sexuality.
I'm not religious so it's mute to me directly, but I'll be hoping for the best for any family it effects.
I think this issue pushes a button for a lot of Christ/based religions and their fundamentalist followers.
I think in a lot of ways it's a discussion about fundamentalism itself as much as a question of "alternative to heterosexual" sexuality.