koan;469556 wrote: Here's how it works: I managed to find a real life practical example of the benefits of lifting prohibition.
No you took a handful of people who smoke marijuana and submitted it as being a logical hypothesis in comparison to Crack cocaine, Heroin, Meth and other drugs that just simply destroy people.
The uk spends £44 thou a year on each junkie
The uk spends £44 thou a year on each junkie
Keith W;469575 wrote: Tell me... how would you feel if you saw your child lying dean on a mortuary slab, dead from abusing drugs??That I'd failed to bring them up properly, I imagine. That I was at least slightly surprised. Do you think that's more likely to happen if the current illegal drug prohibition is lifted? I don't. As it happens, I know their opinion since we discussed this when they were still at school; I think a couple of them even wrote essays about it in their final year. I'm far more apprehensive of them dying in a traffic accident, over which they have very limited control, than I am of them dying of a drug overdose.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
The uk spends £44 thou a year on each junkie
Diuretic;469580 wrote: Got a prescription for them pills? 
He's only got ONE LOOK, for Christ sake! :wah:
He's only got ONE LOOK, for Christ sake! :wah:
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Keith W;469582 wrote: Answer my question
stop asking rhetorical questions.
spot has given the obvious response.
stop asking rhetorical questions.
spot has given the obvious response.
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Diuretic;469569 wrote: I can't find a link or reference for this so you'll just have to take my word for it but where I live we have a medical doctor who specialises in ER work who is doing preventive work in nightclubs with young people who are using amphetamine-based drugs for recreation. A year or so ago we were having several overdoses a weekend and the occasional death. This doctor, can't think of his name right now but will try to get it posted here later, devised a scheme where he and his assistants would dispense advice and assistance to young people in the clubs who were using amphetamines. It's difficult because of the prohibition aspect but they somehow managed to warn off users from adulterated amphetamines and also gave them advice on safe use. Deaths and overdoses, while still occurring occasionally, I think have dropped off. I can only go on my own perspective here and that's of course limited. But it seems to me that in the short term harm minimsation is the way to go.
Minimisation?
What happens when little "Joe" decides a pinch and a drop isnt enough anymore?
He keeps increasing the dosages...
Yeah...now hes 30, still lives at home, on welfare to buy more drugs, only the drugs are "too" regulated, so he goes to his friends house who has a meth lab brewing in his basement to increase the potency of weak governmental regulated drugs to meet his needs...
And on the days hes broke and cant buy the regulated drugs to brew in his friends basement because they're too weak, he goes out robs and shoots the people who decided not to allow a drug to control their life.
but where I live we have a medical doctor who specialises in ER work who is doing preventive work in nightclubs with young people who are using amphetamine-based drugs for recreation. A year or so ago we were having several overdoses a weekend and the occasional death. This doctor, can't think of his name right now but will try to get it posted here later, devised a scheme where he and his assistants would dispense advice and assistance to young people in the clubs who were using amphetamines. It's difficult because of the prohibition aspect but they somehow managed to warn off users from adulterated amphetamines and also gave them advice on safe use. Deaths and overdoses, while still occurring occasionally, I think have dropped off. I can only go on my own perspective here and that's of course limited. But it seems to me that in the short term harm minimsation is the way to go.Minimisation?
What happens when little "Joe" decides a pinch and a drop isnt enough anymore?
He keeps increasing the dosages...
Yeah...now hes 30, still lives at home, on welfare to buy more drugs, only the drugs are "too" regulated, so he goes to his friends house who has a meth lab brewing in his basement to increase the potency of weak governmental regulated drugs to meet his needs...
And on the days hes broke and cant buy the regulated drugs to brew in his friends basement because they're too weak, he goes out robs and shoots the people who decided not to allow a drug to control their life.
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K.Snyder;469581 wrote: No you took a handful of people who smoke marijuana and submitted it as being a logical hypothesis in comparison to Crack cocaine, Heroin, Meth and other drugs that just simply destroy people.
It's the process that is under question. If the process shows an improved situation then the process works.
It's the process that is under question. If the process shows an improved situation then the process works.
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Hang on here a minute..... my son walks into a shop or what ever and buys himself some crack. Chances are he is going to die.
It's going to be easier for him to get hold of it because it's legal.
Surely making it easier to get is going to lead to more people trying it and becomming victims to it's effects?? :-5:-5
It's going to be easier for him to get hold of it because it's legal.
Surely making it easier to get is going to lead to more people trying it and becomming victims to it's effects?? :-5:-5
Behaviour breeds behaviour - treat people how you would like to be treated yourself
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spot;469583 wrote: That I'd failed to bring them up properly, I imagine. That I was at least slightly surprised. Do you think that's more likely to happen if the current illegal drug prohibition is lifted? I don't. As it happens, I know their opinion since we discussed this when they were still at school; I think a couple of them even wrote essays about it in their final year. I'm far more apprehensive of them dying in a traffic accident, over which they have very limited control, than I am of them dying of a drug overdose.
Even if they could walk into somewhere and get hold of hard drugs?
Even if they could walk into somewhere and get hold of hard drugs?
Behaviour breeds behaviour - treat people how you would like to be treated yourself
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Diuretic;469590 wrote: He gets imprisoned I suppose.
Yeah, what if it was your mother he shot?
Yeah, what if it was your mother he shot?
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The drug debate, well here's me opinion. Firstly I will admit that I have certainly tried most recreational drugs so I will be honest about that, I will also say that I generally think that they are generally bad for you going in a range from alcohol right up to heroin. Although I dabbled in them when I was younger I never really saw what people saw in cannabis or esctasy or cocaine. I do understand the arguments about legalization, and I suppose with Cannabis there is a good case to be made for legalizing it, though again I don't think cannabis is very good for you if you smoke a lot of it, no more that drink is that good for you if you drink a load of it all the time. In terms of the harder drugs such as cocaine and heroin I have to say that from my own experiences of seeing what those drugs do to people it is simply not right to legalize them, if you consider that most of our social problems are related to alcohol abuse, imagine the possible social consequences if heroin or concaine was legally available to anyone over 18, you might well destroy the incomes of many criminal organizations, but you would in essence be making substances that destory peoples lives in a very short space of time socially acceptable, I can't see how any politican or medical person would really be able to contenance that.
When you consider that currently our governments are attempting to make people more responsible when it comes to using alcohol and it seems generally failing, its hard to make a convincing case for legalizing substances that are far worse in their effects in people and their families. I do think you can look at each substance on a case by case basis though, and legislate accordingly. I think one of the biggest problems that we have on all these issues is that we have a very boozy culture in Brtain and Ireland where young people tend to drink in order to get plastered, I know I've certainly been guilty of that, we don't seem to have a very healthy attitude to these things, especially alcohol, which is actually by far the worst "drug" problem we have, and legislation alone is not going to change that. I don't use cannabis myself, though I do have friends that do, and in general it seems to me about the same as alcohol, its tolerable as a social drug, but its not true that it does not cause people problems with heavy usage, it certainly does and I've seen it so although I'm not in principal against legalizing it, I would be cautious, and of course smoking is very bad for you in general anyway, I know because I smoke and its crap. As for the harder ones, I do understand the libertarian argument that you should let people make up their own minds on such things, but I think that the social damage that the widespread legal availability of cocaine and heroin would cause are simply too great, and they should remain illegal.
When you consider that currently our governments are attempting to make people more responsible when it comes to using alcohol and it seems generally failing, its hard to make a convincing case for legalizing substances that are far worse in their effects in people and their families. I do think you can look at each substance on a case by case basis though, and legislate accordingly. I think one of the biggest problems that we have on all these issues is that we have a very boozy culture in Brtain and Ireland where young people tend to drink in order to get plastered, I know I've certainly been guilty of that, we don't seem to have a very healthy attitude to these things, especially alcohol, which is actually by far the worst "drug" problem we have, and legislation alone is not going to change that. I don't use cannabis myself, though I do have friends that do, and in general it seems to me about the same as alcohol, its tolerable as a social drug, but its not true that it does not cause people problems with heavy usage, it certainly does and I've seen it so although I'm not in principal against legalizing it, I would be cautious, and of course smoking is very bad for you in general anyway, I know because I smoke and its crap. As for the harder ones, I do understand the libertarian argument that you should let people make up their own minds on such things, but I think that the social damage that the widespread legal availability of cocaine and heroin would cause are simply too great, and they should remain illegal.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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woppy71;469592 wrote: Even if they could walk into somewhere and get hold of hard drugs?They do alcohol in moderation at the moment - real ale rather than alcopops or spirits. They're not so insane as to smoke. I expect if acid were available over the counter they'd experiment, just like I did. I suggested they explore with it but only one of them feels it's an interesting avenue. I did at their age and it was well worth the effort, it taught me quite a lot about my mind, my senses and my body.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Keith W;469598 wrote: Never mind spots response, whats yours??
Stop avoiding a direct question Koan
I would like to know your answer
Why do you think you've stumped me?
If my child died of an overdose I would consider myself at fault for not seeing that she needed help. Why do you think I'm avoiding you? It was just an unreasonable question. It does not advance your argument.
I agree with what spot posted. Why don't you now ask every other poster to answer your question directly so we can waste more time?
Stop avoiding a direct question Koan
I would like to know your answer
Why do you think you've stumped me?
If my child died of an overdose I would consider myself at fault for not seeing that she needed help. Why do you think I'm avoiding you? It was just an unreasonable question. It does not advance your argument.
I agree with what spot posted. Why don't you now ask every other poster to answer your question directly so we can waste more time?
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Diuretic;469597 wrote: He'd still be imprisoned.
ha...
Yeah, but if it were to happen you certainly wouldnt act as casual about it.
And to legalize drugs would put more on the streets and increase the amount of the crime that is being commited as a reult of such drugs. The same crimes I am talking about...people who kill others for 50 dollars to get a 50 dollar crack rock.
People don't just all of a sudden say " hey, I'm gonna be crack head for the rest of my life...yeah, that sounds like a good idea".
They try it, and get addicted to it...And legalizing it would increase it.
ha...
Yeah, but if it were to happen you certainly wouldnt act as casual about it.
And to legalize drugs would put more on the streets and increase the amount of the crime that is being commited as a reult of such drugs. The same crimes I am talking about...people who kill others for 50 dollars to get a 50 dollar crack rock.
People don't just all of a sudden say " hey, I'm gonna be crack head for the rest of my life...yeah, that sounds like a good idea".
They try it, and get addicted to it...And legalizing it would increase it.
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koan;469601 wrote: Why do you think you've stumped me?
If my child died of an overdose I would consider myself at fault for not seeing that she needed help. Why do you think I'm avoiding you? It was just an unreasonable question. It does not advance your argument.
I agree with what spot posted. Why don't you now ask every other poster to answer your question directly so we can waste more time?
It wouldn't be your fault...it would be the drugs fault...plain and simple.
People dont mean to kill themselves unless they commit suicide, so it wouldn't have been their fault. People have minds of their own, and make their own decisions...They could have been with friends and seen them do it and say to themselves they would try it...they die from accidental overdose...A good kid, who just wanted to fit in...
It's Bu** **** and it should be stopped...not legalized.
If my child died of an overdose I would consider myself at fault for not seeing that she needed help. Why do you think I'm avoiding you? It was just an unreasonable question. It does not advance your argument.
I agree with what spot posted. Why don't you now ask every other poster to answer your question directly so we can waste more time?
It wouldn't be your fault...it would be the drugs fault...plain and simple.
People dont mean to kill themselves unless they commit suicide, so it wouldn't have been their fault. People have minds of their own, and make their own decisions...They could have been with friends and seen them do it and say to themselves they would try it...they die from accidental overdose...A good kid, who just wanted to fit in...
It's Bu** **** and it should be stopped...not legalized.
The uk spends £44 thou a year on each junkie
I've seen an up and coming young producer with everything going for him wind up dead on a sidewalk because he bought a bad batch of cocaine.
The uk spends £44 thou a year on each junkie
Here's a few Chief Constables (they're the guys who run the police forces in England and Wales) on the subject of regulated legalization of drugs:
http://leap.cc/Speakers/speakerbio.php? ... 0Wilkinson
Francis Wilkinson held nine different police ranks in England during his 30-year career, ending as chief constable of Gwent with 1,700 personnel beneath him. He joined law enforcement because he wanted to make an active, real difference in the world, but at every level of policing he gained an increasing understanding of the failure of the "War on Drugs" mentality he was charged by statute to enforce. Eventually he came to see that legalization is the most viable option for dealing with drugs - even the ones he feels cause real damage, such as heroin. "The more I understood about the social harm of prohibition," he relates, "the more I favored regulated supply."
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listse ... 34665.html
LEGALISING DRUGS MIGHT BE THE ONLY ANSWER, SAY POLICE
Chief police officers from one of Britain's busiest forces have claimed that drugs laws don't work and say legalisation is 'the obvious alternative
approach.' Officers in Cleveland, which covers Teeside, say in a report to the force's civil police authority that the drugs trade is growing in the face of the Government's tough anti-drugs stance.
The authority is now calling for a Royal Commission to review drugs laws in the light of the findings. The move makes Cleveland the first police force to come out publicly against drugs laws Although a number of chief constables are believed privately to back a more liberal policy, none has yet called for legalisation.
There's more if you google, I don't want to tie up too much space in the thread.
http://leap.cc/Speakers/speakerbio.php? ... 0Wilkinson
Francis Wilkinson held nine different police ranks in England during his 30-year career, ending as chief constable of Gwent with 1,700 personnel beneath him. He joined law enforcement because he wanted to make an active, real difference in the world, but at every level of policing he gained an increasing understanding of the failure of the "War on Drugs" mentality he was charged by statute to enforce. Eventually he came to see that legalization is the most viable option for dealing with drugs - even the ones he feels cause real damage, such as heroin. "The more I understood about the social harm of prohibition," he relates, "the more I favored regulated supply."
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listse ... 34665.html
LEGALISING DRUGS MIGHT BE THE ONLY ANSWER, SAY POLICE
Chief police officers from one of Britain's busiest forces have claimed that drugs laws don't work and say legalisation is 'the obvious alternative
approach.' Officers in Cleveland, which covers Teeside, say in a report to the force's civil police authority that the drugs trade is growing in the face of the Government's tough anti-drugs stance.
The authority is now calling for a Royal Commission to review drugs laws in the light of the findings. The move makes Cleveland the first police force to come out publicly against drugs laws Although a number of chief constables are believed privately to back a more liberal policy, none has yet called for legalisation.
There's more if you google, I don't want to tie up too much space in the thread.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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K.Snyder;469607 wrote: It wouldn't be your fault...it would be the drugs fault...plain and simple.
People dont mean to kill themselves unless they commit suicide, so it wouldn't have been their fault. People have minds of their own, and make their own decisions...They could have been with friends and seen them do it and say to themselves they would try it...they die from accidental overdose...A good kid, who just wanted to fit in...
It's Bu** **** and it should be stopped...not legalized.
No it would be my fault. I would likely be madder if she died because she bought poor quality drugs that wouldn't have been on the market if regulated. If she died because she became an addict then it is my fault for watching her become an addict and doing nothing.
People dont mean to kill themselves unless they commit suicide, so it wouldn't have been their fault. People have minds of their own, and make their own decisions...They could have been with friends and seen them do it and say to themselves they would try it...they die from accidental overdose...A good kid, who just wanted to fit in...
It's Bu** **** and it should be stopped...not legalized.
No it would be my fault. I would likely be madder if she died because she bought poor quality drugs that wouldn't have been on the market if regulated. If she died because she became an addict then it is my fault for watching her become an addict and doing nothing.
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koan;469608 wrote: I've seen an up and coming young producer with everything going for him wind up dead on a sidewalk because he bought a bad batch of cocaine.
Bad batch because peoples tolerence levels were rising, and demanded a stronger drug because the weak crap they used to get as a kid wasnt cutting it no more(excuse the pun).
Bad batch because peoples tolerence levels were rising, and demanded a stronger drug because the weak crap they used to get as a kid wasnt cutting it no more(excuse the pun).
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K.Snyder;469614 wrote: Bad batch because peoples tolerence levels were rising, and demanded a stronger drug because the weak crap they used to get as a kid wasnt cutting it no more(excuse the pun).
No. There was bad cocaine going around. The newspapers reported increase in deaths from it and warned cocaine users that they were at particular risk during that time. Then the batch was gone and no more was said about it.
No. There was bad cocaine going around. The newspapers reported increase in deaths from it and warned cocaine users that they were at particular risk during that time. Then the batch was gone and no more was said about it.
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Diuretic;469616 wrote: You're quite right but what relevance does that have to the discussion?
The relevance, it seems, is that he feels people should go around making decisions based on rage and shock instead of logic.
The relevance, it seems, is that he feels people should go around making decisions based on rage and shock instead of logic.
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Keith W;469623 wrote: OK I will probably get chewed out for this but I have had enough, I will try and keep my responce as cleans as possible.
I will now give you my professional opinion of you Koan.
You are a self righteous, full of male cow excrement, class a masturbater.
Your right and everyone else is wrong, yeah right
Only your opinion counts and everyones else's doesn't.
I mean how do you clean your teeth in the morning? I mean with your head stuck up you rear end and all?
Stop spouting male cow excrement will ya
Or better still do your self and the world a favor and pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow.
********************************
Apologies, Koan excepted, that I have offended by this post, I have just had enough of Koan bull
Let's see this again as a shining example of what I put up with around here.
I will now give you my professional opinion of you Koan.
You are a self righteous, full of male cow excrement, class a masturbater.
Your right and everyone else is wrong, yeah right
Only your opinion counts and everyones else's doesn't.
I mean how do you clean your teeth in the morning? I mean with your head stuck up you rear end and all?
Stop spouting male cow excrement will ya
Or better still do your self and the world a favor and pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow.
********************************
Apologies, Koan excepted, that I have offended by this post, I have just had enough of Koan bull
Let's see this again as a shining example of what I put up with around here.
The uk spends £44 thou a year on each junkie
Keith W;469623 wrote: Only your opinion counts and everyones else's doesn't.You don't think that a few facts scattered among the invective would improve your argument? I really can't see the point of anyone expressing an opinion if it's not based on anything but prejudice. You think you're right? If you go out and get some evidence we'd have some material to get our teeth into, instead of mere frustration and bile.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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koan;469628 wrote: [QUOTE=Keith W;469623]Apologies, Koan excepted, that I have offended by this post, I have just had enough of Koan bullLet's see this again as a shining example of what I put up with around here.[/QUOTE]I'll have to try harder, they always pick on you first.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Keith W;469642 wrote: I could give you fact after fact but there would be no point would there?It would surprise the hell out of me, for certain.
I'm pleased you at least see the need for facts in a thread like this, and that you really truly thought you'd introduced some. That's heartening.
I'm pleased you at least see the need for facts in a thread like this, and that you really truly thought you'd introduced some. That's heartening.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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ArnoldLayne;469645 wrote: Come on Spot personal experiences are not found by googlingThat's a comment on various Chief Constables' opinions coinciding with mine? I'm grateful for the personal experiences related, they add a dimension to what's being said. I'm not sure how they affect the arguments one way or the other though. Yes, people die from taking drugs. I could talk about my grandfather dying of chronic alcohol abuse, if you think it would be pertinent.
Nobody has gone near discussing the information I've written here, which is par for the course on ForumGarden. To be honest, I write it for the thousands of invisible readers who'll google their way in here for months and years to come, not because I think anyone's going to hear what I say on the day.
Nobody has gone near discussing the information I've written here, which is par for the course on ForumGarden. To be honest, I write it for the thousands of invisible readers who'll google their way in here for months and years to come, not because I think anyone's going to hear what I say on the day.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Keith W;469649 wrote: I have only been here a short time, have no affiliations with anyone except my brother and I have never picked on koan.
However in my short time here I have seen Koan in action hence my post
As the saying goes...
If you set your self up you will get a fall
The only fall here was yours. Quite disgraceful really.
Let's see it again as a reminder.
Originally Posted by Keith W View Post
OK I will probably get chewed out for this but I have had enough, I will try and keep my responce as cleans as possible.
I will now give you my professional opinion of you Koan.
You are a self righteous, full of male cow excrement, class a masturbater.
Your right and everyone else is wrong, yeah right
Only your opinion counts and everyones else's doesn't.
I mean how do you clean your teeth in the morning? I mean with your head stuck up you rear end and all?
Stop spouting male cow excrement will ya
Or better still do your self and the world a favor and pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow.
********************************
Apologies, Koan excepted, that I have offended by this post, I have just had enough of Koan bull
However in my short time here I have seen Koan in action hence my post
As the saying goes...
If you set your self up you will get a fall
The only fall here was yours. Quite disgraceful really.
Let's see it again as a reminder.
Originally Posted by Keith W View Post
OK I will probably get chewed out for this but I have had enough, I will try and keep my responce as cleans as possible.
I will now give you my professional opinion of you Koan.
You are a self righteous, full of male cow excrement, class a masturbater.
Your right and everyone else is wrong, yeah right
Only your opinion counts and everyones else's doesn't.
I mean how do you clean your teeth in the morning? I mean with your head stuck up you rear end and all?
Stop spouting male cow excrement will ya
Or better still do your self and the world a favor and pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow.
********************************
Apologies, Koan excepted, that I have offended by this post, I have just had enough of Koan bull
The uk spends £44 thou a year on each junkie
ArnoldLayne;469658 wrote: You frustrate people with your superior air, not allowing them room for their opinions. we are such uneducated fodderSo counter the facts, for goodness sake. They're free, they're available, there's a perfectly good case to be made for prohibition too. It's just not as good a case, in my view. But why the hell can't you even try to put it?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.