Fake PMs

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:50 am

Apparently because of the nastiness that transpired, some certain people are up to their childish games again which includes baiting others through phony PMs. Still.

In the light of this, if any of you have received or do receive a PM "from" me, please check with me on it. I do not send rude PMs nor do I gossip so that would be a tip-off that it's fake.

Some people will stoop to any old reindeer games, looks like.

Thanks!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:55 am

RedGlitter;482484 wrote: Apparently because of the nastiness that transpired, some certain people are up to their childish games again which includes baiting others through phony PMs. Still.

In the light of this, if any of you have received or do receive a PM "from" me, please check with me on it. I do not send rude PMs nor do I gossip so that would be a tip-off that it's fake.

Some people will stoop to any old reindeer games, looks like.

Thanks!

How does one recognise (or send!) a "phony PM"?[1]

Presumably the best course of action would be to report any such received so

that "official" action can be taken.

Edit:

[1] Gmc, I know about Tony B Liar already!

koan · Post by **koan** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:59 am

It wouldn't be hard, Bill

just edit the quote tags or content between.

craziness. the beat goes on.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:01 am

koan;482494 wrote: It wouldn't be hard, Bill

just edit the quote tags or content between.

craziness. the beat goes on.

I want to learn how to send fake PM's.

I could then flirt with alot of hot girls...

Although they still might know who it is. :yh_wait

:yh_laugh

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:06 am

K.Snyder;482497 wrote: I want to learn how to send fake PM's.

I could then flirt with alot of hot girls...

Although they still might know who it is. :yh_wait

:yh_laugh

Although, it would mainly just be Pinky.

Post by **spot** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:08 am

ArnoldLayne;482499 wrote: If they're fake make them publicWe have an Infractions rule which prohibits that. Forwarding all fake PMs to Tombstone, with a covering note denying their provenance and complaining about their existence, should get a fairly satisfactory result.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:10 am

koan;482494 wrote: It wouldn't be hard, Bill

just edit the quote tags or content between.

craziness. the beat goes on.

Please will someone send me a fake PM, of a non-insulting nature, clearly marked

"This is a fake e-mail" or something like that, so that no-one gets into trouble?

Just for interest. Thanks.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:13 am

spot;482506 wrote: We have an Infractions rule which prohibits that. Forwarding all fake PMs to Tombstone, with a covering note denying their provenance and complaining about their existence, should get a fairly satisfactory result.

I was wondering if he'd be able to tell who it was from if I did that?

Then again, I'd hate to trouble Tombstone with stupid things like this. It's all so childish.

Bill, I would send you one, but I don't know how. Sorry.

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:37 am

A person may be able to "fake" the quotes temporarily, but they cannot fake where the PM came from.

If you have suspicious PM's - send to me. Please do a little research first and indicate where items (quotes) were changed. My patience for this kind of stuff has dropped off the scale.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:45 am

I'll do that, Tombstone. Thanks for your reply.

You must be as sick of it as we are.

But thank you.

Rain · Post by **Rain** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:51 am

It pays to be new to a community. I don't know what's going on. It's hard enough just working my way around such a huge board. I wish you all the best. Would a day off work, sitting in a bar with free drinks help?? If so, I'm buying

What'll ya have? Bars Open!

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:54 am

minks · Post by **minks** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:57 am

Rain;482534 wrote: It pays to be new to a community. I don't know what's going on. It's hard enough just working my way around such a huge board. I wish you all the best. Would a day off work, sitting in a bar with free drinks help?? If so, I'm buying

What'll ya have? Bars Open!

Rain go on into the pub I got eggnog served up.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:59 am

minks;482540 wrote: Rain go on into the pub I got eggnog served up.
dont spoz this pub is in england with jack daniels is it

Marie5656 · Post by **Marie5656** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:44 am

minks;482540 wrote: Rain go on into the pub I got eggnog served up.

Oh my hubby makes a great eggnog. He adds vanilla schnapps to it. Yumm.

24Hours · Post by **24Hours** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:52 am

Just to do my part to keep things positive, encouraging negativity to be kept private..

SPANK ME NICE AND GOOD, BAY BAY!!! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!!!!

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:14 am

I think 24's already been in the pub....:-3

(heh)

I'm just kidding 24!

venus · Post by **venus** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:15 am

so fake emails now huh..

sheesh..

you go away frop a few days to get over the lurgy and it alll goes mad again!!:-2

24Hours · Post by **24Hours** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:21 am

Redglitter, I really can't to go in the Pub - it's VERY uncomfortable for me there.

Venus, it's not mad again, it's glad again. Venus, are you in a spanky Franky mood today?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:34 am

koan;482494 wrote: It wouldn't be hard, Bill

just edit the quote tags or content between.

craziness. the beat goes on.

That would work with faking the original sender of an embeded PM - say one you were forwarding or to invent a message "you've received" from scratch - but, given that you cannot intercept the message between the submit and the send, I don't see how you can do that for the immediate sender.

No doubt there is a way but I'm not savvy enough to see it.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:25 pm

24Hours;482603 wrote: Redglitter, I really can't to go in the Pub - it's VERY uncomfortable for me there.

*tee hee*

Would that have anything to do with the bowls of...NUTS??? :wah:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:34 pm

Okay when I first opened this thread I thought it said "Fake PMS?" So I thought this was a thread about woman faking symptoms of PMS(pre menstrual syndrome). I then thought I would sneak in and find out just how women fake this and why they would want too. Then of course it turned into something different or did it?:wah:

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:35 pm

i have been getting altered pms for weeks. just delete em.......

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:45 pm

guppy;482695 wrote: i have been getting altered pms for weeks. just delete em.......
I was talking about Pre Menstrual syndrome

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:47 pm

YZGI;482709 wrote: I was talking about Pre Menstrual syndrome

oh, in that case, run for your life...........:wah:

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:01 pm

K.Snyder;482504 wrote: Although, it would mainly just be Pinky.
So should us "average" girls be insulted? :yh_rotfl

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:06 pm

why am i not being sent fake pmS ...

Rain · Post by **Rain** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:12 pm

Yep, this Pub is on all continents and Jake Daniels is in all of them

Drink away.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:15 pm

jimbo;482735 wrote: why am i not being sent fake pmS ...

hang on a minute maybe the one saying i was a handsome stud and this woman and three of her mates wanted to er get me alone was not entirely true

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:22 pm

SnoozeControl;482726 wrote: This sounds very similar to what I was complaining about in another thread... someone was sending either PMs or email anonymously to stir up trouble, and it appears it's happening again.

I'm really hoping admin can figure out who the person is that's so intent on causing problems in here at the expense of people's feelings. And when it IS discovered, I hope the person's identity is revealed on the public boards because I'm getting pretty sick of being accused of this sort of thing.

I hope their identity is revealed on the board too and they're banned permanently.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:03 pm

It's very interesting, isn't it? Last week, much was made of "leaked" private messages which supposedly contained insulting comments about various members...and everyone reacted as if they'd been absolutely, without question verified as "true."

Now, we have at least two members who've been receiving "false" private messages.

I tried on several occasions last week to question whether or not those "leaked" messages were valid and nobody seemed to consider my question.

Interesting. Which are real and which are false?

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:20 pm

I've no personal stake in any of this....but it does worry me that people have been accused/suspected of these things and NOW it turns out that some phony messages are circulating. What if they've been wrongly accused?

Am I the only one who's considering this possibility?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:34 pm

i wouldn't even know how to send a 'fake' PM. i'm only thankful i don't recall sending Rg ANY PM. they can be altered.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:54 pm

Yup.

RedGlitter;482484 wrote: Apparently because of the nastiness that transpired, some certain people are up to their childish games again which includes baiting others through phony PMs. Still.

In the light of this, if any of you have received or do receive a PM "from" me, please check with me on it. I do not send rude PMs nor do I gossip so that would be a tip-off that it's fake.

Some people will stoop to any old reindeer games, looks like.

Thanks!
Here's what TS recommended elsewhere in that case.

Tombstone;478960 wrote: and an addendum:

Social hacking? Sure thing. You guys are overlooking that some of you know each other's passwords. If you are concerned about this, just go to your settings and change your password. Simple fix.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:17 pm

very good points Flop and Lulu...i thought it meant someone was sending rg 'fake' PMs.

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:20 pm

YOU MEAN THE PM I JUST GOT ANOUNCING I JUST WON A MILLION DOLLARS AINT REAL? ..........................J/K:wah:

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:22 pm

guppy;483397 wrote: YOU MEAN THE PM I JUST GOT ANOUNCING I JUST WON A MILLION DOLLARS AINT REAL? ..........................J/K:wah:yes it is, and i am your best friend.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:33 pm

FLOPSTOCK: "The original post doesn't actually 'say' that she received one, it implies that others might possibly get one appearing to come from her."

+++++++++++++ Not to belabor this point, but guppy says SHE received "altered" private messages, too. So, it's NOT just one person.

One more comment and then I'm through. A lot of blame was tossed around here last week and I'm wondering how much of it was a direct result of tampered messages. If so...some people need to rethink that anger.

Post by **spot** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:11 pm

flopstock;483474 wrote: Then I missed guppys post as to that situation. I certainly hope she forwarded it to TS. She must have, if she 'knows' it was tappered with.

It was only twenty posts back in this thread. I'm amazed that anyone takes any quoted text in any PM at face value, given how obviously trivial it is for the content to have been changed. Guppy's "just delete em" seems perfect advice for every inflamatory PM in the system unless the quoted altered text bears one's own name in which case yes, forwarding it as a complaint with an explanation sounds reasonable.

Why the quotes around 'knows'?

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:28 pm

I can't see why any of this should be a big problem, now that Tombstone has laid down strict rules starting from a day or so ago. And stated that he will enforce them.

If you just think something may be happening, wait until you are sure.

If you are sure, check your facts, because to be fair to everyone - and all are innocent until proven otherwise - you will presumably be expected to substantiate your claims with evidence.

If you have shared your password with anyone, change it now. It's like banking. You have less comeback if you've been socially careless.

If you think you have a real case - present the whole thing - with evidence - to Tombstone, and hopefully threads like this one and the accompanying non-specific bad feeling, should not ever again be necessary.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:55 am

guppy;482695 wrote: i have been getting altered pms for weeks. just delete em.......

Send them to Mr. Tombstone, as he's asked, for the good of everyone!

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:00 am

Since no body can show them - do we really know they exist ...i'm a bit sceptical .

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:08 am

AussiePam;483485 wrote: If you think you have a real case - present the whole thing - with evidence - to Tombstone, and hopefully threads like this one and the accompanying non-specific bad feeling, should not ever again be necessary.

It's worth pointing out that the administrator of this site will have access to

records of every single keystroke transmitted[1], and logs of all articles, PMs,

originating IP addresses, etc. He can unpick all the chains of intrigue, should

he decide that's what he wants to do, and even, if necessary[2] inform the

upstream ISP, so that further action can be taken - such as miscreants being

TOS'ed by their ISPs[3].

[1] Where legally allowed (even legalities may be over-ridden, though!).

[2] This might actually be *required* under some circumstances.

[3] Terms of service pass "along the chain". Your ISP will normally stipulate

this in their terms of service. Violate your ISP's TOS here, and your ISP

would almost certainly regard it as infringing *their* TOS directly.

Post by **spot** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:08 am

pantsonfire321@aol.com;483583 wrote: Since no body can show them - do we really know they exist ...i'm a bit sceptical .The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that the messages exist," says the Poster, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says the Reader, "the fighting is a dead giveaway isn't it? It couldn't have developed by chance. It proves the messages exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you wrote them. QED"

"Oh dear," says the Poster, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes from the board in a puff of logic. Well, not permanently vanishes, but the principle's there.

(Douglas Adams wrote that, not me. Let's blame the Departed.)

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:13 am

AussiePam;483485 wrote: I can't see why any of this should be a big problem, now that Tombstone has laid down strict rules starting from a day or so ago. And stated that he will enforce them.

This is admirable - it's his garden, really! Would you tolerate great steaming

dollops of manure being slung around in your garden? Neither would I.

AussiePam;483485 wrote: If you just think something may be happening, wait until you are sure.

I'd pass the info. on immediately, to nip it in the bud, as it were.

AussiePam;483485 wrote: If you are sure, check your facts, because to be fair to everyone - and all are innocent until proven otherwise - you will presumably be expected to substantiate your claims with evidence.

The evidence will be available to the administrator direct, together with other

info. pertaining to the miscreants real life details.

AussiePam;483485 wrote: If you have shared your password with anyone, change it now. It's like banking. You have less comeback if you've been socially careless.

Sharing passwords is really unfortunate, and can place the person sharing in

a very bad position!

AussiePam;483485 wrote: If you think you have a real case - present the whole thing - with evidence - to Tombstone, and hopefully threads like this one and the accompanying non-specific bad feeling, should not ever again be necessary.

Hurrah!