why did god let the devil come into being?
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the only real dave (2)
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why did god let the devil come into being?
as it says on the title... i'm serious about this, having only just thought of it. satan is lucifer right? god threw him out of paradise for being a bit fruity... then god created the devil?
why did god let the devil come into being?
He was an angel who had free will and chose evil over good as do many humans.
A great mythological story to explain evil in the world before science came along.
A great mythological story to explain evil in the world before science came along.
why did god let the devil come into being?
This is what i remember from CCD.......
He was THE arch-angel. He was above Micheal. Hes also known as "morning star".
That's all. This would explain it much better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
This come to mind:
"Without evil, there could be no good. So, it must be good to be evil sometimes!"
-Satan, South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut
He was THE arch-angel. He was above Micheal. Hes also known as "morning star".
That's all. This would explain it much better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
This come to mind:
"Without evil, there could be no good. So, it must be good to be evil sometimes!"
-Satan, South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut
The poolhall's a great equalizer. In the poolhall, nobody cares how old you are, how young you are, what color your skin is or how much money you've got in your pocket... It's about how you move. I remember this kid once who could move around a pool table like nobody had ever seen. Hour after hour, rack after rack, his shots just went in. The cue was part of his arm and the balls had eyes. And the thing that made him so good was... He thought he could never miss. I know, 'cause that kid was me.
why did god let the devil come into being?
Because he was tired of chasing that dam* chicken across the road?
why did god let the devil come into being?
On Satan:
An interesting discussion today: "Suffering and a God of Love"
"In what is probably the oldest book in the Bible, Job characterizes "ha satan" as a legitimate member of God's council. After the opening two chapters, "ha satan" is never mentioned again. Although the snake in th egarden if often referred to as Satan, it's just theological "spin". The snake is simply a clever creature that generations of theologians have associated with the devil. Likewise nowhere in the Bible is Satan cast down into the fiery pit for rising up against God. The "lucifer" of "day star" that is cast down (ie put out of power) in Isaiah is the ruler of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar. The angels that disobey are not sent to "hell" to but Sheol, a place understood in Hebrew as simply "nothingness." Satan's supposed dominion over a place called hell is not Biblical, but Greek mythology and Medieval fantasy woven together by Dante, Milton, and others."
Program accompanying the study "Living the Questions".
Shalom
Ted:-6
An interesting discussion today: "Suffering and a God of Love"
"In what is probably the oldest book in the Bible, Job characterizes "ha satan" as a legitimate member of God's council. After the opening two chapters, "ha satan" is never mentioned again. Although the snake in th egarden if often referred to as Satan, it's just theological "spin". The snake is simply a clever creature that generations of theologians have associated with the devil. Likewise nowhere in the Bible is Satan cast down into the fiery pit for rising up against God. The "lucifer" of "day star" that is cast down (ie put out of power) in Isaiah is the ruler of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar. The angels that disobey are not sent to "hell" to but Sheol, a place understood in Hebrew as simply "nothingness." Satan's supposed dominion over a place called hell is not Biblical, but Greek mythology and Medieval fantasy woven together by Dante, Milton, and others."
Program accompanying the study "Living the Questions".
Shalom
Ted:-6
why did god let the devil come into being?
the only real dave (2);485341 wrote: as it says on the title... i'm serious about this, having only just thought of it. satan is lucifer right? god threw him out of paradise for being a bit fruity... then god created the devil?
Satan's the guy in the Book of Job, the name means "The Accuser" and he chats with God about whether people are righteous or not. He and God laid bets on how Job would stand up to some divine persecution, with God laying the limits of what could be done to him.
Lucifer is a mis-translation of one of the titles of a King of Babylon who went mad and ate grass:
How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."
But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.
Saint Jerome confused the title with the Greek legend of Prometheus, the Light-Bearer who brought fire to man from heaven.
The real reason people have such fun with a fallen angel and his legions rampaging back to earth is a poet who wrote during the English Civil War called Milton. Paradise Lost is great drama but it's scarcely theology. Even its first verse is totally blasphemous, where he asks his muse to "Illumine, what is low raise and support; That, to the height of this great argument, I may assert Eternal Providence, And justify the ways of God to men."
Satan's the guy in the Book of Job, the name means "The Accuser" and he chats with God about whether people are righteous or not. He and God laid bets on how Job would stand up to some divine persecution, with God laying the limits of what could be done to him.
Lucifer is a mis-translation of one of the titles of a King of Babylon who went mad and ate grass:
How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."
But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.
Saint Jerome confused the title with the Greek legend of Prometheus, the Light-Bearer who brought fire to man from heaven.
The real reason people have such fun with a fallen angel and his legions rampaging back to earth is a poet who wrote during the English Civil War called Milton. Paradise Lost is great drama but it's scarcely theology. Even its first verse is totally blasphemous, where he asks his muse to "Illumine, what is low raise and support; That, to the height of this great argument, I may assert Eternal Providence, And justify the ways of God to men."
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
why did god let the devil come into being?
Spot:-6
Excellent post.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Excellent post.
Shalom
Ted:-6