Globalism and morality
From the American view the positive side of Globalism is that many workers worldwide in very poor countries will experience a significant increase in their standard of living because the manufacturing of certain products that were manufactured in America are manufactured in their country.
From the American view the negative side of Globalism is that the standard of living of many Americans will decline significantly because of the work that has gone to poor countries.
What moral judgment should an American take toward Globalism? I have no answers to this very difficult question. This is the type of question that leads some people, like me, to duck their moral principles.
Globalism and morality
Globalism and morality
The answer is obvious!
If the American standard of living is to decline and developing countries standard of living is to rise, then they will come closer together thus lessening the injustice presently occuring.
Living standards in America are far in excess of most of the world and so it would be fairer if they dropped so that everyone else's could rise.
I hope this has helped.
If the American standard of living is to decline and developing countries standard of living is to rise, then they will come closer together thus lessening the injustice presently occuring.
Living standards in America are far in excess of most of the world and so it would be fairer if they dropped so that everyone else's could rise.
I hope this has helped.
Globalism and morality
coberst;467175 wrote: Globalism and morality
From the American view the positive side of Globalism is that many workers worldwide in very poor countries will experience a significant increase in their standard of living because the manufacturing of certain products that were manufactured in America are manufactured in their country.
From the American view the negative side of Globalism is that the standard of living of many Americans will decline significantly because of the work that has gone to poor countries.
What moral judgment should an American take toward Globalism? I have no answers to this very difficult question. This is the type of question that leads some people, like me, to duck their moral principles.
I thought globalism wasa description???
Globalism simply descripbes a world which is characterized by networks of connections that span multi-continental distances. It attempts to understand all the inter-connections of the modern world — and to highlight patterns that underlie them.
I understand what you mean though, but don't think it will ever take effect.
Globalisation - in any form, usually means that one part of the world, ensures that the practices (or whatever) are extended/ available across the globe. This in my experience is lead by the US, and results in the whole world being told to do it the 'US' way.
From the American view the positive side of Globalism is that many workers worldwide in very poor countries will experience a significant increase in their standard of living because the manufacturing of certain products that were manufactured in America are manufactured in their country.
From the American view the negative side of Globalism is that the standard of living of many Americans will decline significantly because of the work that has gone to poor countries.
What moral judgment should an American take toward Globalism? I have no answers to this very difficult question. This is the type of question that leads some people, like me, to duck their moral principles.
I thought globalism wasa description???
Globalism simply descripbes a world which is characterized by networks of connections that span multi-continental distances. It attempts to understand all the inter-connections of the modern world — and to highlight patterns that underlie them.
I understand what you mean though, but don't think it will ever take effect.
Globalisation - in any form, usually means that one part of the world, ensures that the practices (or whatever) are extended/ available across the globe. This in my experience is lead by the US, and results in the whole world being told to do it the 'US' way.
Globalism and morality
I think that when you are dealing with a topic as complex and multi-faceted as globalization there are no simple or trite answers either for Americans or anyone else. In general terms, the freer and more accessible that the whole world's trade is, then the more healthy competitive economies will prosper. Economies and societies that are not open, adaptive, resourceful, and healthy will over the long term lose out. The operative thing therefore is to make yourself competitive by educating your workforce, lower the costs of doing business in your country, have a good infrastructure, have a high degree of social capital in your society (as healthy societies are good for free market trade), and invest in your future wisely.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Globalism and morality
Galbally;486155 wrote: I think that when you are dealing with a topic as complex and multi-faceted as globalization there are no simple or trite answers either for Americans or anyone else. In general terms, the freer and more accessible that the whole world's trade is, then the more healthy competitive economies will prosper. Economies and societies that are not open, adaptive, resourceful, and healthy will over the long term lose out. The operative thing therefore is to make yourself competitive by educating your workforce, lower the costs of doing business in your country, have a good infrastructure, have a high degree of social capital in your society (as healthy societies are good for free market trade), and invest in your future wisely.
All very well and good, but the original question was what moral position an American should take.
Are you agreeing with me and saying Americans should welcome globalisation as it lowers their living standards and raises everyone else's?
P.S. Are you a businessman (fat cat) Galbelly? You seem to applaud the virtues of capitalism wherever you post a reply.
All very well and good, but the original question was what moral position an American should take.
Are you agreeing with me and saying Americans should welcome globalisation as it lowers their living standards and raises everyone else's?
P.S. Are you a businessman (fat cat) Galbelly? You seem to applaud the virtues of capitalism wherever you post a reply.
Globalism and morality
The way I think is,
Basically a form of Darwinism I suppose. The strong countries get stronger, the weak weaker.
I do not believe Americans should put much thought into any other country, simply because they don't live there, and it isn't their life.
I think if everyone else wanted higher standards of living, then they should take after America's example and follow them.
That is just my two cents.
Basically a form of Darwinism I suppose. The strong countries get stronger, the weak weaker.
I do not believe Americans should put much thought into any other country, simply because they don't live there, and it isn't their life.
I think if everyone else wanted higher standards of living, then they should take after America's example and follow them.
That is just my two cents.
Globalism and morality
How can I know what I do not know? How can I trace that boundary between knowledge and ignorance?
In the dialogue “Apology Plato writes about Socrates while in the dungeon just before drinking the hemlock that the citizens of Athens condemned him to be executed.
In the dungeon shortly before drinking from the hemlock cup Socrates spoke to his followers. He spoke about the accusations against him at the trial. He said that the sworn indictment against him was “Socrates is guilty of needless curiosity and meddling interference, inquiring into things beneath Earth and in the Sky¦ Socrates further adds that he is accused of teaching the people of Athens, to which Socrates vehemently denies that he is a teacher. He points out that in matters of wisdom he has only a small piece of that territory; the wisdom that he does have is the wisdom not to think he knows what he does not know. Socrates conjectures that he has the wisdom to recognize the boundary of his present knowledge and to search for that knowledge that he does not have. “So it seems at any rate I am wiser in this one small respect: I do not think I know what I do not.
For Socrates a necessary component of wisdom is to comprehend what one is ignorant of.
Am I wise? Do I know what I am ignorant of? I certainly know that I am ignorant of astronomy and psychology. There are many things about which it is obvious to me that I am ignorant of. Are there things about which I am not even aware of my ignorance? Are there matters about which I think I am knowledgeable of but which I am, in fact, ignorant of?
When I ask myself these questions I become conscious of a great number of things about which I am ignorant. Does this mean I am like Socrates in this matter? I do not think so. Socrates is speaking about two types of ignorance about which most people are unconscious of.
I think that Socrates is speaking of our ‘burden of illusion’. People are unconscious of the superficiality of much that they think they know and they are unconscious of a vast domain of knowledge that is hidden from the non critical thinker.
The uncritical mind has no means for discovering these illusions. CT (Critical Thinking) is the keystone for discovering these illusions. The Catch-22 here is how can one develop a critical mind when they are deluded into thinking they have a critical mind? When our educational system has not taught our citizens how to think critically how can our citizens ever pull themselves out of this deep hole of illusion?
In the dialogue “Apology Plato writes about Socrates while in the dungeon just before drinking the hemlock that the citizens of Athens condemned him to be executed.
In the dungeon shortly before drinking from the hemlock cup Socrates spoke to his followers. He spoke about the accusations against him at the trial. He said that the sworn indictment against him was “Socrates is guilty of needless curiosity and meddling interference, inquiring into things beneath Earth and in the Sky¦ Socrates further adds that he is accused of teaching the people of Athens, to which Socrates vehemently denies that he is a teacher. He points out that in matters of wisdom he has only a small piece of that territory; the wisdom that he does have is the wisdom not to think he knows what he does not know. Socrates conjectures that he has the wisdom to recognize the boundary of his present knowledge and to search for that knowledge that he does not have. “So it seems at any rate I am wiser in this one small respect: I do not think I know what I do not.
For Socrates a necessary component of wisdom is to comprehend what one is ignorant of.
Am I wise? Do I know what I am ignorant of? I certainly know that I am ignorant of astronomy and psychology. There are many things about which it is obvious to me that I am ignorant of. Are there things about which I am not even aware of my ignorance? Are there matters about which I think I am knowledgeable of but which I am, in fact, ignorant of?
When I ask myself these questions I become conscious of a great number of things about which I am ignorant. Does this mean I am like Socrates in this matter? I do not think so. Socrates is speaking about two types of ignorance about which most people are unconscious of.
I think that Socrates is speaking of our ‘burden of illusion’. People are unconscious of the superficiality of much that they think they know and they are unconscious of a vast domain of knowledge that is hidden from the non critical thinker.
The uncritical mind has no means for discovering these illusions. CT (Critical Thinking) is the keystone for discovering these illusions. The Catch-22 here is how can one develop a critical mind when they are deluded into thinking they have a critical mind? When our educational system has not taught our citizens how to think critically how can our citizens ever pull themselves out of this deep hole of illusion?
Globalism and morality
Diuretic;488481 wrote: I know it's turning into an old saw by now but that puts me in mind of Plato's "Cave" allegory.
I think that you are correct in noting the fact that the "Cave" allegory is saying much the same thing. However, I try to stir clear of these pop-clichés because our society is build upon sound-bites and bumper-stickers, which cause so many people to make the mistake that Socrates warns us of. When someone sees this standard cliché they think they know all about the matter and thus cannot learn anything because they will not focus their mind on something that they thing they already know.
I think that you are correct in noting the fact that the "Cave" allegory is saying much the same thing. However, I try to stir clear of these pop-clichés because our society is build upon sound-bites and bumper-stickers, which cause so many people to make the mistake that Socrates warns us of. When someone sees this standard cliché they think they know all about the matter and thus cannot learn anything because they will not focus their mind on something that they thing they already know.
Globalism and morality
caesar777;482549 wrote: The answer is obvious!
If the American standard of living is to decline and developing countries standard of living is to rise, then they will come closer together thus lessening the injustice presently occuring.
Living standards in America are far in excess of most of the world and so it would be fairer if they dropped so that everyone else's could rise.
I hope this has helped.
Never been to England but Ive gathered the average family is doing ok. Why dont you sell your house and donate the money to a needy family in Sudan ? Then you can feel like youv'e really done something worthwhile.
Meanwhile with whatevers left after a $1500.00 a month mortgage pymt., car pymts. energy bills, phone bill, federal, state and city taxes and food Ill send that to_______________???
If the American standard of living is to decline and developing countries standard of living is to rise, then they will come closer together thus lessening the injustice presently occuring.
Living standards in America are far in excess of most of the world and so it would be fairer if they dropped so that everyone else's could rise.
I hope this has helped.
Never been to England but Ive gathered the average family is doing ok. Why dont you sell your house and donate the money to a needy family in Sudan ? Then you can feel like youv'e really done something worthwhile.
Meanwhile with whatevers left after a $1500.00 a month mortgage pymt., car pymts. energy bills, phone bill, federal, state and city taxes and food Ill send that to_______________???
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caesar777;482549 wrote: The answer is obvious!
If the American standard of living is to decline and developing countries standard of living is to rise, then they will come closer together thus lessening the injustice presently occuring.
Living standards in America are far in excess of most of the world and so it would be fairer if they dropped so that everyone else's could rise.
I hope this has helped.
It would be fairer if the rest of the world busted their asses and capitalized on opportunity to raise their own standards of living, rather than whining that others have done well.
If the American standard of living is to decline and developing countries standard of living is to rise, then they will come closer together thus lessening the injustice presently occuring.
Living standards in America are far in excess of most of the world and so it would be fairer if they dropped so that everyone else's could rise.
I hope this has helped.
It would be fairer if the rest of the world busted their asses and capitalized on opportunity to raise their own standards of living, rather than whining that others have done well.
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Galbally;486155 wrote: I think that when you are dealing with a topic as complex and multi-faceted as globalization there are no simple or trite answers either for Americans or anyone else. In general terms, the freer and more accessible that the whole world's trade is, then the more healthy competitive economies will prosper. Economies and societies that are not open, adaptive, resourceful, and healthy will over the long term lose out. The operative thing therefore is to make yourself competitive by educating your workforce, lower the costs of doing business in your country, have a good infrastructure, have a high degree of social capital in your society (as healthy societies are good for free market trade), and invest in your future wisely.
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caesar777;486497 wrote: All very well and good, but the original question was what moral position an American should take.
Are you agreeing with me and saying Americans should welcome globalisation as it lowers their living standards and raises everyone else's?
P.S. Are you a businessman (fat cat) Galbelly? You seem to applaud the virtues of capitalism wherever you post a reply.
Are you implying that only fat cats would disagree with our view??
And what's wrong with being a businessman that you would cast an insult at them?
Are you agreeing with me and saying Americans should welcome globalisation as it lowers their living standards and raises everyone else's?
P.S. Are you a businessman (fat cat) Galbelly? You seem to applaud the virtues of capitalism wherever you post a reply.
Are you implying that only fat cats would disagree with our view??
And what's wrong with being a businessman that you would cast an insult at them?
Globalism and morality
caesar777;486497 wrote: All very well and good, but the original question was what moral position an American should take.
Are you agreeing with me and saying Americans should welcome globalisation as it lowers their living standards and raises everyone else's?
P.S. Are you a businessman (fat cat) Galbelly? You seem to applaud the virtues of capitalism wherever you post a reply.
No, it may surprise you to know that I am a scientist by training, and I have no interest in business at all, I find it fairly boring, other than to recognize that business and capitalism are a useful and workable means of wealth generation. I also like everyone else have a materialistic side and enjoy having the ability to make some economic choices for myself. You seem to think that anyone who is not disgusted at all things monetary must themselves be rich capitalists, I assure you that is not the case, I am an interested observer, nothing more.
In general I do not take a moral stand on philosophical questions such as this, because I think using morality as a benchmark of what works is not the wisest way to approach such things. You may find that approach cold, simply put, I do not. I hope you don't think that I disrespect you personally for your views, I do not seem to agree with any of your opinions, but thats fine, I don't expect everyone to share my beliefs or become overly taxed when they do not agree with me, so I hope you do not take any personal offense from my robustness, I am just being honest.
Are you agreeing with me and saying Americans should welcome globalisation as it lowers their living standards and raises everyone else's?
P.S. Are you a businessman (fat cat) Galbelly? You seem to applaud the virtues of capitalism wherever you post a reply.
No, it may surprise you to know that I am a scientist by training, and I have no interest in business at all, I find it fairly boring, other than to recognize that business and capitalism are a useful and workable means of wealth generation. I also like everyone else have a materialistic side and enjoy having the ability to make some economic choices for myself. You seem to think that anyone who is not disgusted at all things monetary must themselves be rich capitalists, I assure you that is not the case, I am an interested observer, nothing more.
In general I do not take a moral stand on philosophical questions such as this, because I think using morality as a benchmark of what works is not the wisest way to approach such things. You may find that approach cold, simply put, I do not. I hope you don't think that I disrespect you personally for your views, I do not seem to agree with any of your opinions, but thats fine, I don't expect everyone to share my beliefs or become overly taxed when they do not agree with me, so I hope you do not take any personal offense from my robustness, I am just being honest.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Globalism and morality
Accountable;488970 wrote: Have I ever told you you're one of my faves?
Yes, we share many similar views, though not all, I also find you a very interesting and intelligent poster accountable, and your strong personality comes through in what you write, I find that you have a very good ability to put complex ideas across in a straightforward manner, and you are clever without being pompous. You are also pretty funny with it, so, yep, I like you too.
Yes, we share many similar views, though not all, I also find you a very interesting and intelligent poster accountable, and your strong personality comes through in what you write, I find that you have a very good ability to put complex ideas across in a straightforward manner, and you are clever without being pompous. You are also pretty funny with it, so, yep, I like you too.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Globalism and morality
Diuer
Thanks for the reference. When you get the time, read my essay September Scholar at my web site www.septemberscholar.com. I would like your comments. I will be away from my computer for about two weeks so forgive me if I do not reply for awhile.
Thanks for the reference. When you get the time, read my essay September Scholar at my web site www.septemberscholar.com. I would like your comments. I will be away from my computer for about two weeks so forgive me if I do not reply for awhile.
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Diuretic
Thanks for the reference. When you get the time, read my essay September Scholar at my web site www.septemberscholar.com. I would like your comments. I will be away from my computer for about two weeks so forgive me if I do not reply for awhile.
Thanks for the reference. When you get the time, read my essay September Scholar at my web site www.septemberscholar.com. I would like your comments. I will be away from my computer for about two weeks so forgive me if I do not reply for awhile.