What is a baron compared to say, a duke? What is an earl? What do they do?
Is there a place online that can go into depth on this?
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
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Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
How do titles work? How come the Queen's husband is only a prince and not a king, for instance. What is the difference between nobility and royalty?
What is a baron compared to say, a duke? What is an earl? What do they do?
Is there a place online that can go into depth on this?
What is a baron compared to say, a duke? What is an earl? What do they do?
Is there a place online that can go into depth on this?
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
RedGlitter;509992 wrote: How do titles work? How come the Queen's husband is only a prince and not a king, for instance. What is the difference between nobility and royalty?
What is a baron compared to say, a duke? What is an earl? What do they do?
Is there a place online that can go into depth on this?
http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/britfaq.html :-6
What is a baron compared to say, a duke? What is an earl? What do they do?
Is there a place online that can go into depth on this?
http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/britfaq.html :-6
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
RedGlitter;509992 wrote: What do they do?
Basically, they're all parasites.
Basically, they're all parasites.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Chookie;510205 wrote: Basically, they're all parasites.
Well they are Germans anyway, whatever about the parasites. One of the many reasons why we don't have your royalty anymore ourselves.
Well they are Germans anyway, whatever about the parasites. One of the many reasons why we don't have your royalty anymore ourselves.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
RedGlitter;509992 wrote: How do titles work? How come the Queen's husband is only a prince and not a king, for instance. What is the difference between nobility and royalty?
What is a baron compared to say, a duke? What is an earl? What do they do?
Is there a place online that can go into depth on this?
'Cos if he was a king he'd outrank her.
I believe that his British title is Duke and the Prince is from the Greek royal family.
Some silly ones I came across recently :-
A Count was given control of a County to administer.
A Marquess was given a march to administer and protect (the marches were the border areas and therefore more dangerous) This is more evident from the lady's title of Marchoness.
Whilst a Count was strictly limited to controling a single county a Marquess could hold sway over more than one.
An Earl derives his title from the Viking Jarl who would rule as a subsiduary king.
More useful info at :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of ... ed_Kingdom
What is a baron compared to say, a duke? What is an earl? What do they do?
Is there a place online that can go into depth on this?
'Cos if he was a king he'd outrank her.
I believe that his British title is Duke and the Prince is from the Greek royal family.
Some silly ones I came across recently :-
A Count was given control of a County to administer.
A Marquess was given a march to administer and protect (the marches were the border areas and therefore more dangerous) This is more evident from the lady's title of Marchoness.
Whilst a Count was strictly limited to controling a single county a Marquess could hold sway over more than one.
An Earl derives his title from the Viking Jarl who would rule as a subsiduary king.
More useful info at :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of ... ed_Kingdom
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Bryn Mawr;510287 wrote: 'Cos if he was a king he'd outrank her.
I believe that his British title is Duke and the Prince is from the Greek royal family.
Some silly ones I came across recently :-
A Count was given control of a County to administer.
A Marquess was given a march to administer and protect (the marches were the border areas and therefore more dangerous) This is more evident from the lady's title of Marchoness.
Whilst a Count was strictly limited to controling a single county a Marquess could hold sway over more than one.
An Earl derives his title from the Viking Jarl who would rule as a subsiduary king.
More useful info at :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of ... ed_Kingdom
Interesing Brwn, actually there are a handful of Anglo-Irish peers left in the Republic, though I have no idea how thats supposed to work politically. I am not sure how it pans out, but they still have some sort of rank in the British system, and we don't seem to pay too much mind as long as they keep their heads down. Of course we have no native Irish aristocracy, as our ruling clan chiefs were all killed or fled about 450 years ago, and the rest of us were all peasants whose only privilege seemed to be eating potatos. Its nice that the peasants got to get their own country back for once.
I believe that his British title is Duke and the Prince is from the Greek royal family.
Some silly ones I came across recently :-
A Count was given control of a County to administer.
A Marquess was given a march to administer and protect (the marches were the border areas and therefore more dangerous) This is more evident from the lady's title of Marchoness.
Whilst a Count was strictly limited to controling a single county a Marquess could hold sway over more than one.
An Earl derives his title from the Viking Jarl who would rule as a subsiduary king.
More useful info at :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of ... ed_Kingdom
Interesing Brwn, actually there are a handful of Anglo-Irish peers left in the Republic, though I have no idea how thats supposed to work politically. I am not sure how it pans out, but they still have some sort of rank in the British system, and we don't seem to pay too much mind as long as they keep their heads down. Of course we have no native Irish aristocracy, as our ruling clan chiefs were all killed or fled about 450 years ago, and the rest of us were all peasants whose only privilege seemed to be eating potatos. Its nice that the peasants got to get their own country back for once.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Galbally;510297 wrote: Interesing Brwn, actually there are a handful of Anglo-Irish peers left in the Republic, though I have no idea how thats supposed to work politically. I am not sure how it pans out, but they still have some sort of rank in the British system, and we don't seem to pay too much mind as long as they keep their heads down. Of course we have no native Irish aristocracy, as our ruling clan chiefs were all killed or fled about 450 years ago, and the rest of us were all peasants whose only privilege seemed to be eating potatos. Its nice that the peasants got to get their own country back for once.
Well there's always the FitzGeralds, the Hamiltons and the Beresfords but they all have equivalent British titles that they use.
How accurate is Dublin by Edward Rutherford? I found it a facinating account of Irish life and it appeared to be well researched. One of the things it highlighted was the way power moved between the native chieftans and the English who tried to rule and the English who tried to become native and between the English enclaves and those areas "beyond the pale" where the English held no sway.
Well there's always the FitzGeralds, the Hamiltons and the Beresfords but they all have equivalent British titles that they use.
How accurate is Dublin by Edward Rutherford? I found it a facinating account of Irish life and it appeared to be well researched. One of the things it highlighted was the way power moved between the native chieftans and the English who tried to rule and the English who tried to become native and between the English enclaves and those areas "beyond the pale" where the English held no sway.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
All I know is that a knight cannot be a sir unless he is a british subject. 
Well, at least I learned something.
Well, at least I learned something.Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Bryn Mawr;510453 wrote: Well there's always the FitzGeralds, the Hamiltons and the Beresfords but they all have equivalent British titles that they use.
How accurate is Dublin by Edward Rutherford? I found it a facinating account of Irish life and it appeared to be well researched. One of the things it highlighted was the way power moved between the native chieftans and the English who tried to rule and the English who tried to become native and between the English enclaves and those areas "beyond the pale" where the English held no sway.
I havn't read that book actually, but I have seen it, and I will certainly check it out as it sounds interesting. Yes, it was a very complex scene in Ireland, (as it was in England, Wales, and Scotland). Of the initial Anglo-Normans who came into Ireland in the 12 century many of these great houses became very gaelicized, and of course their allegiences were international at the time, as the Norman realms were right across western Europe. These were the people who more or less ruled the country or whatever part of it was ruleable, as the Irish were always and remain a difficult crowd to rule, (they ruled of course in the name of the King of England, who was granted lordship over Ireland by the pope in the 13th century). He was also King of France at the time I believe, I am not sure what was happening in scotland, but this was the basis of their legal power in terms of the wider European scene. In any case, outside of Norman settlements, the Native Gaels lived much as they had, though of course their Clan Cheifs were greatly influenced and impressed by the Normans so they adopted many of their ways. They also of course, fought these interlopers fiercely, but never managed to completely dislodge them.
So English rule and aspects of English culture was imported gradually through the Norman bastions, of Dublin, Kilkenny, Waterford, etc, in other areas, the Gaelic clans gave nominal allegiance to whoever they had to, and fought each other, the odd English expeditions, and the Norman lords like the Butlers and the Desmonds (who also fought each other). These anglo-irish lords also became very much a hybrid of Irish and Norman-English ideas and customs, and were reputed by many observers to be "more Irish than the Irish themselves" as the saying goes, so it worked both ways. These lords were involved in purely English poltics such as the wars of the roses etc, so all of these things were intertwined.
BTW, This situation remained the status quo, though (as I said earlier) the Normans generally became more native, and the country started to devleop a different polity from England as many Norman lords believed it was better that they create an Irish kingdom that they could rule themselves rather than paying lip service to the English King. There was much too-ing and fro-ing over the years. The big change in direction came during Elizabeth the Firsts reign, as England became a powerful international state, it was decided by the English that they had to secure the Island of Ireland for their own security, so thats when serious English power started to be used against the Irish, plantations, resettlements, insurgency by Native irish, and extremely harsh counter measures, particularly against the Gaelic clans, who as in Scotland were always considered the most dangerous to English interests.
So after that, the pattern became established, anti-English rebellions by Irish, Anglo-Irish, and Presbyterian Planters (now called Unionists) were suppressed, as an Ireland not controlled or contained by London was seen as a danger to English (and eventually British) interests. This all resulted in the sad history of violence, brutality, and oppression with its worst epsiode being the famine of the 1840s that resulted in the widespread destruction of the general Gaelic culture in the country, the death and exile of millions of Irish people, and the reason why Irish people could never accept English involvement in Irish political affairs again as a general emotional feeling. This sad history still has as its result today the Republic, the divided island, the bloody troubles of Northern Ireland, and now, happily, the peace process. Fortunatly, the relationship between Britain and the Republic is generally a good one nowadays, but the north of course is still a divided and conflictual place, and the relationship between Ulster Unionists and rest of the Irish people remains a quite difficult one, though of course the current cycle of violence and unrest is at a close it seems.
Hope that made some sense.
How accurate is Dublin by Edward Rutherford? I found it a facinating account of Irish life and it appeared to be well researched. One of the things it highlighted was the way power moved between the native chieftans and the English who tried to rule and the English who tried to become native and between the English enclaves and those areas "beyond the pale" where the English held no sway.
I havn't read that book actually, but I have seen it, and I will certainly check it out as it sounds interesting. Yes, it was a very complex scene in Ireland, (as it was in England, Wales, and Scotland). Of the initial Anglo-Normans who came into Ireland in the 12 century many of these great houses became very gaelicized, and of course their allegiences were international at the time, as the Norman realms were right across western Europe. These were the people who more or less ruled the country or whatever part of it was ruleable, as the Irish were always and remain a difficult crowd to rule, (they ruled of course in the name of the King of England, who was granted lordship over Ireland by the pope in the 13th century). He was also King of France at the time I believe, I am not sure what was happening in scotland, but this was the basis of their legal power in terms of the wider European scene. In any case, outside of Norman settlements, the Native Gaels lived much as they had, though of course their Clan Cheifs were greatly influenced and impressed by the Normans so they adopted many of their ways. They also of course, fought these interlopers fiercely, but never managed to completely dislodge them.
So English rule and aspects of English culture was imported gradually through the Norman bastions, of Dublin, Kilkenny, Waterford, etc, in other areas, the Gaelic clans gave nominal allegiance to whoever they had to, and fought each other, the odd English expeditions, and the Norman lords like the Butlers and the Desmonds (who also fought each other). These anglo-irish lords also became very much a hybrid of Irish and Norman-English ideas and customs, and were reputed by many observers to be "more Irish than the Irish themselves" as the saying goes, so it worked both ways. These lords were involved in purely English poltics such as the wars of the roses etc, so all of these things were intertwined.
BTW, This situation remained the status quo, though (as I said earlier) the Normans generally became more native, and the country started to devleop a different polity from England as many Norman lords believed it was better that they create an Irish kingdom that they could rule themselves rather than paying lip service to the English King. There was much too-ing and fro-ing over the years. The big change in direction came during Elizabeth the Firsts reign, as England became a powerful international state, it was decided by the English that they had to secure the Island of Ireland for their own security, so thats when serious English power started to be used against the Irish, plantations, resettlements, insurgency by Native irish, and extremely harsh counter measures, particularly against the Gaelic clans, who as in Scotland were always considered the most dangerous to English interests.
So after that, the pattern became established, anti-English rebellions by Irish, Anglo-Irish, and Presbyterian Planters (now called Unionists) were suppressed, as an Ireland not controlled or contained by London was seen as a danger to English (and eventually British) interests. This all resulted in the sad history of violence, brutality, and oppression with its worst epsiode being the famine of the 1840s that resulted in the widespread destruction of the general Gaelic culture in the country, the death and exile of millions of Irish people, and the reason why Irish people could never accept English involvement in Irish political affairs again as a general emotional feeling. This sad history still has as its result today the Republic, the divided island, the bloody troubles of Northern Ireland, and now, happily, the peace process. Fortunatly, the relationship between Britain and the Republic is generally a good one nowadays, but the north of course is still a divided and conflictual place, and the relationship between Ulster Unionists and rest of the Irish people remains a quite difficult one, though of course the current cycle of violence and unrest is at a close it seems.
Hope that made some sense.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
All bow down for the queen of Coolroe Meadows, Jenny the Swan.
Hallo my servants, you can now relax and continue with you lives. I will provide Whiskey and Jelly Beans for you later
To be honest I have a very difficult time in deciding what to think about Royals.
What makes them special? Why are they rich?
I will however post the words of a song that will somehow explain some of the feelings I would think common in this country in relation to times past by. If you have the patience read it. Thanks.
Every time you pick up a newspaper,
Every time you switch on the T.V.,
You can bet your old boots that at some point you'll see,
A high ranking Garda or else a T.P.
Calling on all who are meant to be free,
To stand up and defend law and order.
It's illegal to rip off a payroll,
It's illegal to hold up a train,
But it's legal to rip off a million or two,
That comes from the labour that other folk do,
To plunder the many on behalf of the few,
Is a thing that is perfectly legal.
It's illegal to kill off your landlord
Or to trespass upon his estate
But to charge a high rent for a slum is O.K.
To condemn two adults and three children to stay
In a hovel that's rotten with damp and decay
It's a thing that is perfectly legal.
If your job turns you into a zombie
Then it's legal to feel some despair
But don't get agressive and don't get too smart
For Christ's sake don't upset the old applecart
Remember you boss has your interest at heart
And it grieves him to see you unhappy.
If you fashion a bomb in your kitchen,
You're guilty of breaking the law,
But a bloody great nuclear plant is O.K.,
And plutonium processing hastens the day,
This tight little isle will be blasted away,
Nonetheless it is perfectly legal.
It's illegal if you are a traveller,
To camp by the side of the road,
But it's proper and right for the rich and the great,
To live in a mansion or own an estate,
That was got from the people by pillage and rape,
That is what they call a tradition.
It's illegal to kill off your missus,
Or put poison in your old man's tea,
But poison the river's the seas or the skies,
And poison the minds of a nation with lies,
It's all in the interest of free enterprise,
Nonetheless it's perfectly legal.
Well it's legal to sing on the telly,
But make bloody sure that you don't,
To sing about racists and fascists and creeps,
And those in high places who live off the weak,
And hose who are selling us right up the creek,
The twisters, the takers, the conmen, the fakers,
The whole bloody gang of exploiters.
The verse in bold in particular.
Hallo my servants, you can now relax and continue with you lives. I will provide Whiskey and Jelly Beans for you later
To be honest I have a very difficult time in deciding what to think about Royals.
What makes them special? Why are they rich?
I will however post the words of a song that will somehow explain some of the feelings I would think common in this country in relation to times past by. If you have the patience read it. Thanks.
Every time you pick up a newspaper,
Every time you switch on the T.V.,
You can bet your old boots that at some point you'll see,
A high ranking Garda or else a T.P.
Calling on all who are meant to be free,
To stand up and defend law and order.
It's illegal to rip off a payroll,
It's illegal to hold up a train,
But it's legal to rip off a million or two,
That comes from the labour that other folk do,
To plunder the many on behalf of the few,
Is a thing that is perfectly legal.
It's illegal to kill off your landlord
Or to trespass upon his estate
But to charge a high rent for a slum is O.K.
To condemn two adults and three children to stay
In a hovel that's rotten with damp and decay
It's a thing that is perfectly legal.
If your job turns you into a zombie
Then it's legal to feel some despair
But don't get agressive and don't get too smart
For Christ's sake don't upset the old applecart
Remember you boss has your interest at heart
And it grieves him to see you unhappy.
If you fashion a bomb in your kitchen,
You're guilty of breaking the law,
But a bloody great nuclear plant is O.K.,
And plutonium processing hastens the day,
This tight little isle will be blasted away,
Nonetheless it is perfectly legal.
It's illegal if you are a traveller,
To camp by the side of the road,
But it's proper and right for the rich and the great,
To live in a mansion or own an estate,
That was got from the people by pillage and rape,
That is what they call a tradition.
It's illegal to kill off your missus,
Or put poison in your old man's tea,
But poison the river's the seas or the skies,
And poison the minds of a nation with lies,
It's all in the interest of free enterprise,
Nonetheless it's perfectly legal.
Well it's legal to sing on the telly,
But make bloody sure that you don't,
To sing about racists and fascists and creeps,
And those in high places who live off the weak,
And hose who are selling us right up the creek,
The twisters, the takers, the conmen, the fakers,
The whole bloody gang of exploiters.
The verse in bold in particular.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
jennyswan;510534 wrote: All bow down for the queen of Coolroe Meadows, Jenny the Swan.
Hallo my servants, you can now relax and continue with you lives. I will provide Whiskey and Jelly Beans for you later
To be honest I have a very difficult time in deciding what to think about Royals.
What makes them special? Why are they rich?
I will however post the words of a song that will somehow explain some of the feelings I would think common in this country in relation to times past by. If you have the patience read it. Thanks.
Every time you pick up a newspaper,
Every time you switch on the T.V.,
You can bet your old boots that at some point you'll see,
A high ranking Garda or else a T.P.
Calling on all who are meant to be free,
To stand up and defend law and order.
It's illegal to rip off a payroll,
It's illegal to hold up a train,
But it's legal to rip off a million or two,
That comes from the labour that other folk do,
To plunder the many on behalf of the few,
Is a thing that is perfectly legal.
It's illegal to kill off your landlord
Or to trespass upon his estate
But to charge a high rent for a slum is O.K.
To condemn two adults and three children to stay
In a hovel that's rotten with damp and decay
It's a thing that is perfectly legal.
If your job turns you into a zombie
Then it's legal to feel some despair
But don't get agressive and don't get too smart
For Christ's sake don't upset the old applecart
Remember you boss has your interest at heart
And it grieves him to see you unhappy.
If you fashion a bomb in your kitchen,
You're guilty of breaking the law,
But a bloody great nuclear plant is O.K.,
And plutonium processing hastens the day,
This tight little isle will be blasted away,
Nonetheless it is perfectly legal.
It's illegal if you are a traveller,
To camp by the side of the road,
But it's proper and right for the rich and the great,
To live in a mansion or own an estate,
That was got from the people by pillage and rape,
That is what they call a tradition.
It's illegal to kill off your missus,
Or put poison in your old man's tea,
But poison the river's the seas or the skies,
And poison the minds of a nation with lies,
It's all in the interest of free enterprise,
Nonetheless it's perfectly legal.
Well it's legal to sing on the telly,
But make bloody sure that you don't,
To sing about racists and fascists and creeps,
And those in high places who live off the weak,
And hose who are selling us right up the creek,
The twisters, the takers, the conmen, the fakers,
The whole bloody gang of exploiters.
The verse in bold in particular.
Aye, I remember that one, so you are queen of the meadows now? not bad at all.
Well in terms of our own shower of robbers, at least we are allowed to call Haughy a crook in public now, its about time!
Hallo my servants, you can now relax and continue with you lives. I will provide Whiskey and Jelly Beans for you later
To be honest I have a very difficult time in deciding what to think about Royals.
What makes them special? Why are they rich?
I will however post the words of a song that will somehow explain some of the feelings I would think common in this country in relation to times past by. If you have the patience read it. Thanks.
Every time you pick up a newspaper,
Every time you switch on the T.V.,
You can bet your old boots that at some point you'll see,
A high ranking Garda or else a T.P.
Calling on all who are meant to be free,
To stand up and defend law and order.
It's illegal to rip off a payroll,
It's illegal to hold up a train,
But it's legal to rip off a million or two,
That comes from the labour that other folk do,
To plunder the many on behalf of the few,
Is a thing that is perfectly legal.
It's illegal to kill off your landlord
Or to trespass upon his estate
But to charge a high rent for a slum is O.K.
To condemn two adults and three children to stay
In a hovel that's rotten with damp and decay
It's a thing that is perfectly legal.
If your job turns you into a zombie
Then it's legal to feel some despair
But don't get agressive and don't get too smart
For Christ's sake don't upset the old applecart
Remember you boss has your interest at heart
And it grieves him to see you unhappy.
If you fashion a bomb in your kitchen,
You're guilty of breaking the law,
But a bloody great nuclear plant is O.K.,
And plutonium processing hastens the day,
This tight little isle will be blasted away,
Nonetheless it is perfectly legal.
It's illegal if you are a traveller,
To camp by the side of the road,
But it's proper and right for the rich and the great,
To live in a mansion or own an estate,
That was got from the people by pillage and rape,
That is what they call a tradition.
It's illegal to kill off your missus,
Or put poison in your old man's tea,
But poison the river's the seas or the skies,
And poison the minds of a nation with lies,
It's all in the interest of free enterprise,
Nonetheless it's perfectly legal.
Well it's legal to sing on the telly,
But make bloody sure that you don't,
To sing about racists and fascists and creeps,
And those in high places who live off the weak,
And hose who are selling us right up the creek,
The twisters, the takers, the conmen, the fakers,
The whole bloody gang of exploiters.
The verse in bold in particular.
Aye, I remember that one, so you are queen of the meadows now? not bad at all.
Well in terms of our own shower of robbers, at least we are allowed to call Haughy a crook in public now, its about time!
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
His family are still looked after though. Sounds like a stupid comment doesn't it but what makes me nuts about somethings in this country. It's who you know and not what you know.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Aye, I remember that one, so you are queen of the meadows now? not bad at all.
:D Only when I'm out grazing!!
:D Only when I'm out grazing!!
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
jennyswan;510556 wrote: His family are still looked after though. Sounds like a stupid comment doesn't it but what makes me nuts about somethings in this country. It's who you know and not what you know.
It is indeed, and ever was it thus Jenny as you know yourself. I don't begruge the haughy family, but its a bit rich for Irish people to be told to "sympatheize with these peoples pain" while they still own the property and assests that Mr Haughy bought with money he extorted and stole from the state, our state. He was one rotten TD, and he's not the only one either, I hate the way the way that people try to romanticize that stuff, pure BS.
It is indeed, and ever was it thus Jenny as you know yourself. I don't begruge the haughy family, but its a bit rich for Irish people to be told to "sympatheize with these peoples pain" while they still own the property and assests that Mr Haughy bought with money he extorted and stole from the state, our state. He was one rotten TD, and he's not the only one either, I hate the way the way that people try to romanticize that stuff, pure BS.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
jennyswan;510559 wrote: 
Only when I'm out grazing!!
I think it sounds a bit like a fairy princess, "Queen of the Meadow", cool. I remain a peasant though, there is not point in denying it.
Only when I'm out grazing!!I think it sounds a bit like a fairy princess, "Queen of the Meadow", cool. I remain a peasant though, there is not point in denying it.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Galbally;510563 wrote: It is indeed, and ever was it thus Jenny as you know yourself. I don't begruge the haughy family, but its a bit rich for Irish people to be told to "sympatheize with these peoples pain" while they still own the property and assests that Mr Haughy bought with money he extorted and stole from the state, our state. He was one rotten TD, and he's not the only one either, I hate the way the way that people try to romanticize that stuff, pure BS.
Sure most of them are gangsters looking out for there own best interests.
I must admit not to have a great knowledge on the subject
I thought I would die in civics class it was so boring but now I regret not having paid more attention. I must buy a new book. Politics for dummies.
Sure most of them are gangsters looking out for there own best interests.
I must admit not to have a great knowledge on the subject
I thought I would die in civics class it was so boring but now I regret not having paid more attention. I must buy a new book. Politics for dummies.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Galbally;510569 wrote: I think it sounds a bit like a fairy princess, "Queen of the Meadow", cool. I remain a peasant though, there is not point in denying it.
The peasants were always the sexy heroes though. I only get to wear white face paint and powdered wigs and hang my clothes over the castle toilets to get rid of my fleas.
The peasants were always the sexy heroes though. I only get to wear white face paint and powdered wigs and hang my clothes over the castle toilets to get rid of my fleas.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Galbally;510514 wrote:
Hope that made some sense.
Yes, very well written and most interesting.
Of the recent history, the events of the potato famine were indeed shameful and deserve to be remembered for a long time.
What do you see as the result if the 6 counties had not been partitioned? Would the country have settled peacably or would there have been a bloodbath? Almost certainly the issue would have been resolved sooner but, given the feeling at the time, would the British government have survived total independence?
I, sadly, do not know enough of the detail to rise above the media hype. I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
Hope that made some sense.
Yes, very well written and most interesting.
Of the recent history, the events of the potato famine were indeed shameful and deserve to be remembered for a long time.
What do you see as the result if the 6 counties had not been partitioned? Would the country have settled peacably or would there have been a bloodbath? Almost certainly the issue would have been resolved sooner but, given the feeling at the time, would the British government have survived total independence?
I, sadly, do not know enough of the detail to rise above the media hype. I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
jennyswan;510581 wrote: The peasants were always the sexy heroes though. I only get to wear white face paint and powdered wigs and hang my clothes over the castle toilets to get rid of my fleas.
Well yes, sexy hero was the ideal, I think unfortunatly the reality was just digging potatos and being all....well......... peasanty. But I am not knocking it, I am a pround peasant! :wah:
Well yes, sexy hero was the ideal, I think unfortunatly the reality was just digging potatos and being all....well......... peasanty. But I am not knocking it, I am a pround peasant! :wah:
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Bryn Mawr;510585 wrote: Yes, very well written and most interesting.
Of the recent history, the events of the potato famine were indeed shameful and deserve to be remembered for a long time.
What do you see as the result if the 6 counties had not been partitioned? Would the country have settled peacably or would there have been a bloodbath? Almost certainly the issue would have been resolved sooner but, given the feeling at the time, would the British government have survived total independence?
I, sadly, do not know enough of the detail to rise above the media hype. I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
Its always an interesting question, though hypothetical of course and its impossible really to know what would have happened. I would think that had the country not been partitioned, and the results of the 1918 election become the basis for a 32-county country, then there would certainly have been a war between Unionists and Nationalists, what Britain would have done in that circumstance its impossible to tell. Of course as an Irish person, I think that partitioning the country against the wishes of the majority of the Irish people living here was a historical wrong, but it was done, and its better to get on with trying to brige the remaining divisions on the Island than get too trapped in history, we have had enough of that for a while I think.
Of the recent history, the events of the potato famine were indeed shameful and deserve to be remembered for a long time.
What do you see as the result if the 6 counties had not been partitioned? Would the country have settled peacably or would there have been a bloodbath? Almost certainly the issue would have been resolved sooner but, given the feeling at the time, would the British government have survived total independence?
I, sadly, do not know enough of the detail to rise above the media hype. I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
Its always an interesting question, though hypothetical of course and its impossible really to know what would have happened. I would think that had the country not been partitioned, and the results of the 1918 election become the basis for a 32-county country, then there would certainly have been a war between Unionists and Nationalists, what Britain would have done in that circumstance its impossible to tell. Of course as an Irish person, I think that partitioning the country against the wishes of the majority of the Irish people living here was a historical wrong, but it was done, and its better to get on with trying to brige the remaining divisions on the Island than get too trapped in history, we have had enough of that for a while I think.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Pinky;510596 wrote: Ah, but sometimes they were great men without realising it at first.
Or until some handsome peasanty woman exlained it too them, as only peasant women know how! :wah:
Or until some handsome peasanty woman exlained it too them, as only peasant women know how! :wah:
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Pinky;510600 wrote: Hey!! I said I was a wench, not a peasant! Oh well, same thing really!:D
My dear, the best wenches were always peasants. You would make a very "pleasant peasant", if you know what I mean.
My dear, the best wenches were always peasants. You would make a very "pleasant peasant", if you know what I mean.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Pinky;510604 wrote: I guess so. They have to make more of an effort!:wah:
I'm an expert wench where re-enactment comes into play you know!
Of that, I have no doubt. I'm sure if I grew my hair, a beard, and had a sword I could make a convincing Irish fighting type guy. Though no doubt I would probably have been in a scroll manufacturing place, writing scrolls. Then again, all my previous male ancestors up to my uncles generation were soliders, so perhaps not.
I'm an expert wench where re-enactment comes into play you know!
Of that, I have no doubt.
I'm sure if I grew my hair, a beard, and had a sword I could make a convincing Irish fighting type guy. Though no doubt I would probably have been in a scroll manufacturing place, writing scrolls. Then again, all my previous male ancestors up to my uncles generation were soliders, so perhaps not."We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
I could volunteer to be a Pheasant plucker.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Chookie;510611 wrote: I could volunteer to be a Pheasant plucker.
Oh good one! :wah:
Oh good one! :wah:
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Would depend on the pheasant though!
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Pinky;510612 wrote: Well, you'd look cracking in the uniform!
Maybe I'll change from wench to camp follower!:yh_drool :yh_hypno :yh_wink
I don't think we wore uniforms dear, we just looked fierce and waved swords around chasing your countrymen around the place. I am sure I could give it a lash, but of course I wouldn't actually hit anyone with the sword nowadays. Well, unless I felt like it that is.
Maybe I'll change from wench to camp follower!:yh_drool :yh_hypno :yh_wink
I don't think we wore uniforms dear, we just looked fierce and waved swords around chasing your countrymen around the place. I am sure I could give it a lash, but of course I wouldn't actually hit anyone with the sword nowadays. Well, unless I felt like it that is.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Chookie;510619 wrote: Would depend on the pheasant though!
Of course.
Of course.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Galbally;510620 wrote: ...chasing your countrymen around the place....
Youse did that too?
Youse did that too?
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
I have a couple of swords looking for good homes -as long as myself is on the blunt end that is.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Chookie;510626 wrote: Youse did that too?
Oh god yeah, they chased us as well of course. A bit like the olympics, except with pikes, and broadswords. Ah sure, you know yourself, twas the thing to do in those times.
Oh god yeah, they chased us as well of course. A bit like the olympics, except with pikes, and broadswords. Ah sure, you know yourself, twas the thing to do in those times.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Well, I suppose, after all, no telly, no internet, in fact, bugger all to do in the winter at all.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Pinky;510625 wrote: Well, no, not now of course! I was kind of having a flashback to olden times there. There are one or two people I'd like to bash with swords myself...perhaps I could give you a bit of training while you're there? In return for me sneaking of to your tent at night of course, hehe!:sneaky:
I actually did fencing in college, so I used to know how to use the rapier and the epee, though never a long sword, you can't really use them. (its a little dangerous). I would certainly have a go at learning how to handle one from you, and I could do with a bit of exercise, I certainly enjoyed fencing, good for getting out the aggression.
I actually did fencing in college, so I used to know how to use the rapier and the epee, though never a long sword, you can't really use them. (its a little dangerous). I would certainly have a go at learning how to handle one from you, and I could do with a bit of exercise, I certainly enjoyed fencing, good for getting out the aggression.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Chookie;510634 wrote: Well, I suppose, after all, no telly, no internet, in fact, bugger all to do in the winter at all.
And we did have to stay warm as well, and lets face it, we do like a good fight now and again.
And we did have to stay warm as well, and lets face it, we do like a good fight now and again.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Oh so true.
Besides, it was enjoyable (and a bit of a change)
Besides, it was enjoyable (and a bit of a change)
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Pinky;510637 wrote: Oh wow! Now I know how to use a hand and a half and broadsword, but understand the technique for Epee is different. Wouldn't it be great to share knowledge?
Sure, but what about the swords dear?, we should probably have a go at that as well. :rolleyes:
Sure, but what about the swords dear?, we should probably have a go at that as well. :rolleyes:
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Pinky;510637 wrote: Oh wow! Now I know how to use a hand and a half and broadsword, but understand the technique for Epee is different. Wouldn't it be great to share knowledge?
The hand and a half is also referred to as a "bastard broadsword" and it's a helluva lot heavier (and longer) than foil, epee or sabre.
Mind you, swinging a basket-hilt around when you are also lumbered with a targe and a biodag is bloody tiring.
The hand and a half is also referred to as a "bastard broadsword" and it's a helluva lot heavier (and longer) than foil, epee or sabre.
Mind you, swinging a basket-hilt around when you are also lumbered with a targe and a biodag is bloody tiring.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Chookie;510640 wrote: Oh so true.
Besides, it was enjoyable (and a bit of a change)
Yes, yes, happy days. We're all so civilized nowadays really aren't we?, its a bit boring sometimes. I do get the urge to chop something with an edged weapon from time to time, but so far I have resisted it. Its probably for the best I suppose.
Besides, it was enjoyable (and a bit of a change)
Yes, yes, happy days.
We're all so civilized nowadays really aren't we?, its a bit boring sometimes. I do get the urge to chop something with an edged weapon from time to time, but so far I have resisted it. Its probably for the best I suppose."We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Titles of Royalty and Nobility?
Gawd woman, not wood.
Us Celts need something that bleeds.
Us Celts need something that bleeds.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....