Animal skins, use them or not?

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:43 pm

A customer i had in the salon today made me think about animal skins.

She was wearing a rabbit skin scarf, i was quite horrified until she pointed out i had on leather shoes, animal skin right?.

If we eat the animal are we wasting its skin if we dont use it as well?

jennyswan · Post by **jennyswan** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:48 pm

I think if you would use it from animals that are going to be killed for meat like cows etc then that's OK. I think it's horrible to kill and skin an animal just to use it's fur. We don't need that in this day and age where there are plenty synthetic materials to keep us warm. I would find it OK however if you were living in a very isolated and cold place and this was a means of survival.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:53 pm

Hi Jenny, rabbit is poular here (god i hope chonsi doesent see this)

Her point i think is valid, if we are eating animals, whats the difference between a cow & a rabbit on the food / clothing chain?

jennyswan · Post by **jennyswan** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:55 pm

buttercup;513000 wrote: Hi Jenny, rabbit is poular here (god i hope chonsi doesent see this)

Her point i think is valid, if we are eating animals, whats the difference between a cow & a rabbit on the food / clothing chain?

Yeah I would agree. They don't eat rabbit here anymore because they got a disease. I can't remember the name. My mom said that they used to eat rabbit all the time when they were kids and she hates it now. I saw the most awful pictures of dogs being skinned in China, it nearly broke my heart.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:59 pm

Battery bunnies. :-1

http://www.vivisection.info/ssat/furtrade.html

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:02 pm

That was sooooooo GROSS.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:06 pm

jennyswan;513005 wrote: Yeah I would agree. They don't eat rabbit here anymore because they got a disease. I can't remember the name. My mom said that they used to eat rabbit all the time when they were kids and she hates it now. I saw the most awful pictures of dogs being skinned in China, it nearly broke my heart.

Im a dog lover & have owned them but i also live in the country & cows come when you call them & are very affectionate & playful even, if i look at it in those terms, there is little difference

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:09 pm

abbey;513013 wrote: Battery bunnies.

http://www.vivisection.info/ssat/furtrade.html

Yes that is disgusting gutting pics but it looks very similar to gutting a fish, no-one seems concerned about fish, if we are against animals being ate or used for clothing, shouldent it be all of them?

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:16 pm

[quote=abbey;513013]Battery bunnies.

i think sue has one of these it keeps me awake at night:wah:

another smack in the mouth heading my way when she reads this

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:26 pm

jimbo;513043 wrote: [quote=abbey;513013]Battery bunnies.

i think sue has one of these it keeps me awake at night:wah:

another smack in the mouth heading my way when she reads this

Ah yes the rampant rabbit, break easily IMO :sneaky:

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BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:35 pm

As a hunter, any deer that I kill I use their hide. If not for something for myself, then the hide is sold or traded to a taxidermist for his use. I've made 3 quivers from deer hide but not clothes. When I or other hunters say "Use the entire animal" we mean that quite seriously.

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:56 pm

jimbo;513043 wrote: [quote=abbey;513013]Battery bunnies.

i think sue has one of these it keeps me awake at night:wah:

another smack in the mouth heading my way when she reads this

YOU ARE DEAD:mad:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:59 pm

buttercup;512983 wrote:

If we eat the animal are we wasting its skin if we dont use it as well?

It works both ways....

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:04 pm

buttercup;513033 wrote: Yes that is disgusting gutting pics but it looks very similar to gutting a fish, no-one seems concerned about fish, if we are against animals being ate or used for clothing, shouldent it be all of them?
The gutting or skinning is'nt the problem, surely it's the way they are battery farmed?

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:24 pm

jimbo;513043 wrote: [quote=abbey;513013]Battery bunnies.

i think sue has one of these it keeps me awake at night:wah:

another smack in the mouth heading my way when she reads this

Jimbo, people are going to pile on me for this I'm sure, but I think just

every once in a while, there are things on here that don't deserve

crude jokes thrown in, and IMO, this is one of those times.

If I'm in the minority, or a single voice, fine, let it be ever so. But I

just had to have MY say, you all can go on about the thread.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:25 pm

buttercup;513061 wrote: [quote=jimbo;513043]

Ah yes the rampant rabbit, break easily IMO :sneaky:

And Butter, this just encourages it.

:(

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:35 pm

valerie;513151 wrote: [quote=buttercup;513061]

And Butter, this just encourages it.

:(

ok point taken sorry for any offence no harm done i hope

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:51 pm

No harm done, Jimbo, thanks for saying something.

Please don't let what I said stop you from the jokes entirely, okay?

'Cause the overwhelming majority of the time... I love them!!

:-6

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:53 pm

Ed Gein used to use human skulls as bowls. Thats way better than animal skins.

I think so anyway.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:13 am

valerie;513151 wrote: [quote=buttercup;513061]

And Butter, this just encourages it.

:(

All threads tend to go off topic & come back to the point again on the following page or page after. You never said how you felt about the subject Val, that might help

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:21 am

sorry to every one i upset it was a stupid subject to crack jokes on , to be honest i never used the link to see the battery bunnies as i cant see things like that it really upsets me ... so you think my pea brain would then think ok its an upsetting picture dont offend any one with a stupid joke but no ...i never fail to underwhelm myself all you animal lovers i'm sorry

Tater Tazz · Post by **Tater Tazz** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:21 am

I think that if you kill it to eat, why not use the fur. When growing up we had over 500 rabbits. Some were pets, others show rabbits some for eating and the rest were for labs. Use to hate feeding and watering them all.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:21 am

Diuretic;513696 wrote: I'll be right up front. I'm a Life Member of our RSPCA, I am also a Life Member of our biggest animal shelter. And for me it's not whether or not the animal is killed, it's how it's killed and, importantly, how it's treated when it's in human custody from birth/capture to death.

I don't hunt. But a hunter - most hunters I mean, there are idiots in any group - are not cruel. I know this is not about hunting per se but I'll get back there. The animal they stalk is in the wild. Guess what, it's going to die one day. It may die of disease or starvation, it may die a lingering and painful death. If it is hunted by a competent and compassionate, yes I said "compassionate" hunter then it will be a quick death.

Now, compare hunting to the way that the food industry treats animals. There is absolutely no comparison. The cruelty in the food industry is unspeakable. I've seen it, not photos, but seen it right there.

I'm not going to go on a rant. I will say that the industrialised production of food is a fact of life because there are so many of us and we don't kill our own food. We prefer the shrink wrapped product. I won't bang on about that because I don't want to be distasteful. Yes I eat meat and anyone is quite welcome to launch at me. We'll see where we go.

The industrialised production of food must be heavily regulated towards proper animal husbandry and treatment. Profit is no excuse for outright cruelty. Legislatures have to stop being duchessed by pressure groups from the food industry. I'm not holding my breath.

Jimbo, I thought for a horrible minute you were going to mention the Energiser rabbit and where the EverReady bloke told the wabbit where he could shove his battery. I 'm glad you didn't though, my eyes would have watered.

another brilliant post my friend:-6

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:21 pm

Ok...I heard rabbits being used in labs and I have to split now or forever hold my piece. It is NEVER okay to torture an animal for human or animal gain. EVER.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:29 pm

Di, what does biff mean? Did I say something bad?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:51 pm

Ohh, ok! Was worried there for a bit.