I know the received wisdom is that Christopher Columbus discovered America. Not in 1492 he didn't - it took him until 1498 to find continental America.
So, who done it?
Who did it?
Who did it?
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Elvis!!
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Chookie;523554 wrote: I know the received wisdom is that Christopher Columbus discovered America. Not in 1492 he didn't - it took him until 1498 to find continental America.
So, who done it?
Nomad did it.
So, who done it?
Nomad did it.
Who did it?
RhondaLu;523557 wrote: Nomad did it.
Sorry, impossible, Nomad is still looking for himself.
Sorry, impossible, Nomad is still looking for himself.
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Who did it?
St Brendan did, in the 9th century, Irish of course. 
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Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Who did it?
Galbally;523564 wrote: St Brendan did, in the 9th century, Irish of course.
A theory I have a great deal of time for, but what about evidence?
A theory I have a great deal of time for, but what about evidence?
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Who did it?
Jesus, around 33 AD. Read 3 Nephi for a full description of the incident.
Beat that, kids.
Beat that, kids.
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Columbus did not discover America and that a Norwegian Viking by the name of Leif Erickson did and did so in the late tenth century.
By Ronald Swearinger
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(Ronald Swearinger was a judge of the Los Angeles Superior Court. He was the speaker at the first meeting of the Half-Norwegian (on the Mother's Side) American Bar Assn., on May 22, 1989
By Ronald Swearinger
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(Ronald Swearinger was a judge of the Los Angeles Superior Court. He was the speaker at the first meeting of the Half-Norwegian (on the Mother's Side) American Bar Assn., on May 22, 1989
Who did it?
Chookie;523571 wrote: A theory I have a great deal of time for, but what about evidence?
Sure there is a fella in Doyles Bar, he knows all about it, ask him!
No seriously, there are lots of academic studies about which non-native people first "re-discovered" the new world from the old world. Some evidence points to the Chinese (not impossible at all, though they would have had to have gone across near the bearing strait and I am not sure that anyone had penetrated that far in the last 1,000 years), Leif Erikson, the Viking, pretty likely candidate as well, but no smoking gun, St Brendan of Ireland, intriguing idea, but probably unlikely, and the Scandinavians were far superior sailors compared to Irish monks (but its not impossible). The Spanish defiantly "found" it in a way where it became generally "discovered" in terms of modern European civilization's great exploration and opening up of the globe to its own civilization. Some people don't like the fact this happened, which is fair enough, but that it is the way it happened.
Sure there is a fella in Doyles Bar, he knows all about it, ask him!
No seriously, there are lots of academic studies about which non-native people first "re-discovered" the new world from the old world. Some evidence points to the Chinese (not impossible at all, though they would have had to have gone across near the bearing strait and I am not sure that anyone had penetrated that far in the last 1,000 years), Leif Erikson, the Viking, pretty likely candidate as well, but no smoking gun, St Brendan of Ireland, intriguing idea, but probably unlikely, and the Scandinavians were far superior sailors compared to Irish monks (but its not impossible). The Spanish defiantly "found" it in a way where it became generally "discovered" in terms of modern European civilization's great exploration and opening up of the globe to its own civilization. Some people don't like the fact this happened, which is fair enough, but that it is the way it happened.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Who did it?
Actually, if you go back a chapter, 2 Nephi has a landing on the American landmass around 550 BC (dating from internal evidence):210 And it came to pass that I prayed unto the Lord; and after I had prayed, the winds did cease, and the storm did cease, and there was a great calm.
211 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did guide the ship, that we sailed again towards the promised land.
212 And it came to pass that after we had sailed for the space of many days, we did arrive to the promised land;
213 And we went forth upon the land, and did pitch our tents; and we did call it the promised land.
214 And it came to pass that we did begin to till the earth, and we began to plant seeds, yea, we did put all our seeds into the earth, which we had brought from the land of Jerusalem.
215 And it came to pass that they did grow exceedingly; wherefore, we were blessed in abundance.
216 And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow, and the ox, and the ass, and the horse, and the goat, and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals, which were for the use of men.
211 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did guide the ship, that we sailed again towards the promised land.
212 And it came to pass that after we had sailed for the space of many days, we did arrive to the promised land;
213 And we went forth upon the land, and did pitch our tents; and we did call it the promised land.
214 And it came to pass that we did begin to till the earth, and we began to plant seeds, yea, we did put all our seeds into the earth, which we had brought from the land of Jerusalem.
215 And it came to pass that they did grow exceedingly; wherefore, we were blessed in abundance.
216 And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow, and the ox, and the ass, and the horse, and the goat, and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals, which were for the use of men.
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Who did it?
spot;523579 wrote: Jesus, around 33 AD. Read 3 Nephi for a full description of the incident.
Beat that, kids.
Sorry, yer man was deid by then (according to both Jewish and Roman sources).
So it wisnae him.
Or that apocryphal refugee from the "Book of Mormon".
Beat that, kids.
Sorry, yer man was deid by then (according to both Jewish and Roman sources).
So it wisnae him.
Or that apocryphal refugee from the "Book of Mormon".
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Who did it?
Chookie;523614 wrote: Or that apocryphal refugee from the "Book of Mormon".There's more historical evidence that Captain Moroni (c.100 BC - 56 BC) walked this earth than there is concerning either Socrates or Robert the Bruce, I'll have you know.
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spot;523634 wrote: There's more historical evidence that Captain Moroni (c.100 BC - 56 BC) walked this earth than there is concerning either Socrates or Robert the Bruce, I'll have you know.
If you want to have an imaginary friend that's OK, but keep him/her/it to yourself. I am proud to be bloody heathen.
Also, I would like to see this so-called "historical" evidence.
If you want to have an imaginary friend that's OK, but keep him/her/it to yourself. I am proud to be bloody heathen.
Also, I would like to see this so-called "historical" evidence.
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Who did it?
Chookie;523696 wrote: Also, I would like to see this so-called "historical" evidence.Hah! You show me yours first!
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Who did it?
Dont know why this name entered my head. I have no idea where I heard it. Figured, "Why not?"
Amerigo Vespucci?
Amerigo Vespucci?
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Who did it?
Amerigo Vespucci found Brazil either in 1499 or 1501.
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Who did it?
Odd how all these explorers were met by the native ppls. :rolleyes: The Asians walked over by the droves on the iced land bridge. Look at the native americans. See Asians in their faces? Yup.
Who did it?
Kathy Ellen;523809 wrote: I believe that the ancestors of our Native Americans Indians discovered Americans. They were a group of people who migrated across the Bering Straight from Asia to America. They walked across the sea when it was frozen and worked their way along the western shores of America and became known as the Native American Indians. THey were and still are our forefathers. They discovered American.
I don't think anyone disputes that one Kathy, we are talking about old worlders "discovering" the new world in the way it is historically perceived. Obviously the native peoples who first crossed the Bearing straits from what is now modern Russia were there in first place as they have been on both American continents for at least 10,000 years.
I don't think anyone disputes that one Kathy, we are talking about old worlders "discovering" the new world in the way it is historically perceived. Obviously the native peoples who first crossed the Bearing straits from what is now modern Russia were there in first place as they have been on both American continents for at least 10,000 years.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Who did it?
You all seem to be missing the point - I was questioning the received wisdom that Columbus discovered America. I'm obviously approaching this from a European perspective, but even I will not dispute that the Chinese (who had a very good sea-going capability) could not have discovered the left coast.
Nor was I questioning the colonisation over the Arctic land bridge.
I was questioning the perception that Columbus was the first European to find America.
Nor was I questioning the colonisation over the Arctic land bridge.
I was questioning the perception that Columbus was the first European to find America.
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Who did it?
Kathy Ellen;523825 wrote: G, there was some sort of posting glitch, and I didn't read Rain's posting until now. Don't understand your thoughts. Explain what you mean please.
I mean, yes you are right, the ancestors of the Native Americans are the first people to have found and lived in the U.S. and other parts of the Americas, and thats a provable, undisputed fact. We were looking at it here from the perspective of European history and which modern "European" "discovered" the new world as it was then called.
I mean, yes you are right, the ancestors of the Native Americans are the first people to have found and lived in the U.S. and other parts of the Americas, and thats a provable, undisputed fact. We were looking at it here from the perspective of European history and which modern "European" "discovered" the new world as it was then called.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Who did it?
Fibonacci;523727 wrote: Dont know why this name entered my head. I have no idea where I heard it. Figured, "Why not?"
Amerigo Vespucci?
Because he was really here before Chris, an the name "America" evolved from his name. Ask any American Italiano.:wah:
Amerigo Vespucci?
Because he was really here before Chris, an the name "America" evolved from his name. Ask any American Italiano.:wah:
Who did it?
People in Central America believe the OLMECS were descended from Africans who came to this hemisphere long before the Europeans. Anyone who's seen any of their statues can see immediately that they were African.
Ancient pottery from what is now Japan has been found on a portion of Ecuador which fits perfectly with the prevailing currents blowing from the east.
Ancient pottery from what is now Japan has been found on a portion of Ecuador which fits perfectly with the prevailing currents blowing from the east.
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Who did it?
Umm something about Native Americans already being here when Columbus landed.
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Who did it?
It's a well-known fact that Pizarro's Jesuit priest tried various languages with the Atahalpec nobility in an attempt to communicate after the Spanish landings and found that the language they had in common was Turkish. He was told of the great Atahalpan Journey which began when a huge ship made of Gopher wood landed atop their ancestral mountain after a huge flood and began disgorging many pairs of animals, a zookeeper and his family, who walked off south without saying a word. The Ancestors refloated the ship at the next flood tide, sailed due west for forty days and ended up in the New World with some odd creatures still aboard which had been unwilling to disembark earlier, like a pair of llamas, armadillos, four-toed sloths and a couple of unicorns which were sadly barbecueued on the beach to celebrate the Arrival.
The Jesuit priest wrote all this down in a your-eyes-only despatch to the Pope, realizing how earth-shaking the knowledge would be back home if it ever got out (the only copy of which still exists in a secret Vatican vault), and talked Pizarro into slaughtering the entire Atahalpec people over the next couple of years - a well-documented genocidal crime that the Spanish never quite understood since they didn't get to hear the story which prompted it. Up until then the Spanish Conquest of the Americas had been entirely peaceable.
That, I think, dates the first European arrival in the Americas at 3,280 BC, and I win.
The Jesuit priest wrote all this down in a your-eyes-only despatch to the Pope, realizing how earth-shaking the knowledge would be back home if it ever got out (the only copy of which still exists in a secret Vatican vault), and talked Pizarro into slaughtering the entire Atahalpec people over the next couple of years - a well-documented genocidal crime that the Spanish never quite understood since they didn't get to hear the story which prompted it. Up until then the Spanish Conquest of the Americas had been entirely peaceable.
That, I think, dates the first European arrival in the Americas at 3,280 BC, and I win.
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Who did it?
Diuretic;524095 wrote: Is that what you mean Chookie? Or have I got it wrong?
You didn't get it wrong at all.
It was part of a general moan about the way history is mis-presented.
You didn't get it wrong at all.
It was part of a general moan about the way history is mis-presented.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Who did it?
[QUOTE=Diuretic;524095]St. Brendan couldn't have done it G, why did it take the Irish so long to colonise New York then? 
Because we were a bit hungover at the time, as usual, D. You know how it is. :wah:
Its alright I am losing interest in the Irish claim on the New World anyway, its too big and too much work involved, I am now busy working out my claim on the soon to be formed kingdom of Scotland, that seems a more manageable (ahem) task for now.
Because we were a bit hungover at the time, as usual, D. You know how it is. :wah:
Its alright I am losing interest in the Irish claim on the New World anyway, its too big and too much work involved, I am now busy working out my claim on the soon to be formed kingdom of Scotland, that seems a more manageable (ahem) task for now.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.