Is America Headed For Communism/Socialism?

[TruthBringer]

His protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger still wants to become president of the United States, according to Laurence Leamer, author of "Fantastic: The Life of Arnold Schwarzenegger."

"That's his dream," Leamer told the Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly. "He thinks the Constitution should be changed [to make it possible for a foreign-born citizen to become president]."

The Schwarzenegger biographer said Arnold's speech last summer to the GOP convention was the first step in his presidential campaign.

"He intended that speech to be so dramatically positive that America would say: 'We need this man to lead us in the 21st century.'"



So now that Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to be President of the United States, or at least wants to have the ability to run for President, he somehow thinks that he is entitled to a change in the Constitution of The United States of America. The very document that guarantees us our rights.

But let me make this perfectly clear folks. If the Constitution is altered for any such reason, then it could easily be the beginning of the end of our Constitution. Period.

[TruthBringer]

Don't believe me?

Well let me put it this way people. If Arnold Schwarzenegger gets his wish, and our Constitution is altered so that he can run for President, simply because he wants it that way, then what is to stop any person in the future, be it good intentions or bad, from altering our Constitution simply because "They want it that way" too?

Now I have been watching how Arnold operates, and I have to say, his ideas and his proposals are right on par with Socialist/Communist idealisms.

The "Everybody gets this" or the "Everyone deserves this" mentality is part of the basic fundamentals of a Communist society.

And remember folks, in a Communist society, it's not the People who get to determine what everyone gets, it's the Government that does.

[TruthBringer]

Now, aside from the fact that Arnold Schwarzenegger's father was a Nazi (not that he takes after his Father, although he might in many ways), I think it is COMPLETELY wrong for anyone, from any country, to believe that it is ok to alter our Constitution just to suit their needs. Our Founding Fathers never intended for such a thing.

I promise you, if this happens, and if Arnold succeeds with his goal, that it will without a doubt in my opinion cause other politicians (who may have more sinister reasons in mind) to attempt to do the same.

People! I am so worried for our country! It is falling apart before my eyes! And many people might say, "What is so wrong with a communist society in it's purest form?" "Everybody being treated equally? That sounds great."

WAKE UP FOLKS!

If our country turns into a communist society, I'll tell you what I believe will happen to it. You'll have certain people, regular citizens just like you and me, who will start to become greedy and demand more attention from the Government.

Now picture this........

You and your friend are outside giving your opinion on something that you don't approve of that the Government is doing. Suddenly, without you knowing it, someone walking by begins to listen in on your conversation.

If that person has greedy intentions folks, what, in theory, would stop them from reporting you and your friend to the Government in exchange for a better job, a new car, a new place to live, and the list goes on!

Sooner or later, and it's just a matter of time, you'll have people spying all over the place. Just like Russia did with the KGB, ect. In fact, eventually people won't be having negative conversations about the Government at all, out of fear of losing what the Government provides for them. Or worse, for fear of being imprisoned!

Nope, instead, everyone will be stepping outside and saying, "what a nice day today, Isn't our Government great? Don't they treat us all so well? Long live (whoever is dictating at the time). God bless the U.S.A.

Fake smiles. Complete obedience. Disgusting.

[TruthBringer]

Americans, this is what I believe will happen to our country if these "Controllers" that are seeking a "New World Order" for America, and the World for that matter, are successful with their plans.

A "New America. THEIR AMERICA.

We cannot let this happen. We MUST not let this happen. If we do. It's all over. And we'll have ourselves to blame.

[chonsigirl]

I still love Arnold..............................:-4

[TruthBringer]

chonsigirl;519701 wrote: I still love Arnold..............................:-4


Don't get it twisted though, I like the Terminator movies.

But being the "Terminator" does not entitle someone to begin the trend of destroying our Country's Constitution.

[Galbally]

Interesting question, Is America heading towards being a communist state, and will an Austrian bodybuilder be the man to bring down the 231 year old U.S. constitution and impose his own brand of terminator style socialism to the country, that to date has resisted any attempt to do so, or even any attempt to introduce some watered down universal healthcare system come to think of it?





In a word.





No.

[Accountable]

I don't think restricting eligibility to those born here is out of line. I would vote against changing the Constitution. That in no way implies I agree with one syllable of the multi-post monologue.

[Bill Sikes]

TruthBringer;519662 wrote: But let me make this perfectly clear folks. If the Constitution is altered for any such reason, then it could easily be the beginning of the end of our Constitution. Period.


Would not any alteration to your constitution require a very wide acceptance

of the change, in both political and legal circles? Would this not hold for any

and all such changes? Or are you saying that Mr. Schwarzenegger could change

it on his own?

[Bill Sikes]

Diuretic;519748 wrote: I'd have to agree G. The greatest threat to the US constitution is the Great Ignorer in the Oval Office and his mate. Didn't Bush refer to the constitution as "just a piece of paper"? And isn't his use of signing statements and his idea of the unified executive the harbinger of dictatorship?


No, totalitarianism, I'd say. I don't think the word "harbinger" has been needed

for at least a century, either (WRT totalitarianism, I hasten to add!).

[Accountable]

Scrat;54461 wrote: Freedom does not come in "degrees of ", you're free or you're not
Scrat wrote: Half of the time I am just slinging crap.
:yh_flag

[Bill Sikes]

Accountable;520851 wrote: yh_flag


I wish you'd stop your vendetta and simply discuss things as they come up.

[Accountable]

Bill Sikes;520854 wrote: I wish you'd stop your vendetta and simply discuss things as they come up.
I do. This came up.

[TruthBringer]

Bill Sikes;520466 wrote: Would not any alteration to your constitution require a very wide acceptance

of the change, in both political and legal circles? Would this not hold for any

and all such changes? Or are you saying that Mr. Schwarzenegger could change

it on his own?


Yeah I agree on the surface it doesn't look easy Bill. But somehow I feel as if Arnold won't run into too much resistance in any chamber of Government.

I hope I am wrong. I want to be wrong.

[Lulu2]

What in hades does Arnold have to do with communism/socialism? This thread's topic has nothing to do with the subject.

[TruthBringer]

Lulu2;521466 wrote: What in hades does Arnold have to do with communism/socialism? This thread's topic has nothing to do with the subject.


The Skull and Bones organization of which President Bush, John Kerry, Bush Sr., and was Prescott Bush are members of is rooted in the Nazi party.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has attended the Bohemian grove and was selected many years ago for being leader of the fascist communist New World Order America.

But Arnold has other liabilities. Namely, his Nazi sympathies. He used to give recordings of Adolph Hitler to friends, he has said that Kurt Whatshisface (a former SS officer) was a great friend, black bodybuilders claim he used to make racist comments, etc.

[TruthBringer]

Here is a very good video which shows FACTUAL EVIDENCE that the BUSH family has plans to make America into a Communist type state and it also goes into detail about the Bush family's ties to Nazi Communists during World War 2.

It also get's into Arnold Schwarzenegger's ties to Nazis as well.

Just click on the link below to watch the video:

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/...aae94f5f47542&

[Richard Bell]

Diuretic;521704 wrote: When General Motors is nationalised, then you have socialism.


Well, that will give "Little Red Corvette" a whole new meaning, won't it ?

I've always considered Prince to be a Marxist agitator anyway.

[Accountable]

Diuretic;521703 wrote: The Bush Family through Prescott Bush did have ties to the Nazis and the word is they kept those ties alive even when they were found out. The thing is though that the Bush Family doesn't care about anyone or anything except itself. It's a perverted cabal with links through the elite - the real elite, the wealthy elite, not the trendies in Santa Monica elite - and it intends to look after itself.



Old Man Bush wasn't weeping for his son some weeks ago, he wasn't weeping for Jeb either. He was weeping because Dubya had yet again dropped the ball, this time in spectacular fashion. For anyone to impose a new order on the US requires the total commitment of the US military - all branches. Can you see the US military following Dubya to take over the States? Nope. If there was a mad idea to take over the US by this filthy cabal then Dubya inadvertently stopped it. It could be the only good thing he's done in office.
You never struck me as a conspiracist. :yh_eyebro

[Galbally]

TruthBringer;521468 wrote: Here is a very good video which shows FACTUAL EVIDENCE that the BUSH family has plans to make America into a Communist type state and it also goes into detail about the Bush family's ties to Nazi Communists during World War 2.

It also get's into Arnold Schwarzenegger's ties to Nazis as well.

Just click on the link below to watch the video:

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/...aae94f5f47542&


Nazi-Commies? Erm?

I don't know how you all got into this new world order conspiracy stuff here on this thread, I never realized how popular all this nonsense is until a while ago, a bit scary, but you know, whatever you are into yourself. But erm, do try to keep some kind of a grip on reality eh?

[TruthBringer]

Diuretic;521703 wrote: The Bush Family through Prescott Bush did have ties to the Nazis and the word is they kept those ties alive even when they were found out. The thing is though that the Bush Family doesn't care about anyone or anything except itself. It's a perverted cabal with links through the elite - the real elite, the wealthy elite, not the trendies in Santa Monica elite - and it intends to look after itself.

Old Man Bush wasn't weeping for his son some weeks ago, he wasn't weeping for Jeb either. He was weeping because Dubya had yet again dropped the ball, this time in spectacular fashion. For anyone to impose a new order on the US requires the total commitment of the US military - all branches. Can you see the US military following Dubya to take over the States? Nope. If there was a mad idea to take over the US by this filthy cabal then Dubya inadvertently stopped it. It could be the only good thing he's done in office.


Diruetic it's so interesting that you say that about Daddy Bush weeping like that. It did seem very out of place and uncharacteristic of him to do that over something as silly as a conference type thing. Besides the fact that you were right when you said he doesn't care about anyone besides himself. As I have studied and watched.

However, George W. Bush is definately the perfect son for him, aside from his failures. Because little George would probably NEVER, EVER stand up to Bush Sr. in any case whatsoever. As I heard Curious George say once, "I learned on the knee of a good father." Good father my ass. But I believe him because I can see Bush Sr. beating the **** out of him or MUCH MUCH worse if he didn't obey his commands. I don't even need the proof. I get the gut feeling. You know, the whole intuition thing. Never fails.

I got the same feeling you did though. About the weeping at the conference. I believe that it was over the fact that the "Controllers" plans aren't going well for them at all. Simply because of one main reason. They under-estimated their fellow Brothers and Sisters (The citizens of the World).

They made this mistake by thinking of them as mindless "cattle" when they are really just bulls that weren't paying full attention yet. I mean seriously, if the Illuminati is going to compare us all to animals, then lets use a proper comparison.

And as the saying goes, **** with a bull, and you get the.....

[Galbally]

People have been going on about consiracies since Seneca's time, its either the Jews, the Masons, the Knights Templar, Opus Dei, now its the neo cons, and the Davos summit, the UN, the environmentalists, and the aliens, and whatever. The simple fact is no one controls the world, and the briefest look at how the world is should confirm this to anyone. It used to be Britain, now its Americans, then it will be the Chinese again, then it will be someone else, its same old, same old.

[TruthBringer]

Galbally;521816 wrote: Nazi-Commies? Erm?

I don't know how you all got into this new world order conspiracy stuff here on this thread, I never realized how popular all this nonsense is until a while ago, a bit scary, but you know, whatever you are into yourself. But erm, do try to keep some kind of a grip on reality eh?


The only way in which a Human being can make some approach to knowing the whole of a subject is by hearing what can be said about it by persons of every variety of opinion and studying all modes in which it can be looked at by every character of mind. No wise man ever aquired his wisdom in any mode but this.

John Stuart Mill



Those who do not know their opponents arguments do not completely understand their own.

[TruthBringer]

Scrat;521866 wrote: I just can't see this. NWO? Isn't that kind of some dots spaced really REALLY far apart?



I believe in The Plan for the New American Century, I believe a version of it was imposed on the world with the conquest of the Philippines in the Spanish American war. I believe that the PNACs roots goes back to at least the Civil War because that is the point where states rights ceased to exist and the Federal part of American government really came into power.

But THE NWO? I don't think its happening, I think that now America/Britain is desperately trying to hold onto an old empire in a world that is changing very rapidly, with many rising powers and many old rivalries.

Yes there are certain very powerful families on earth, we have a very corrupt elite in America with a medievil mentality as do other countries and they do talk ect but there is just too many variables to bring such a mechanism as the NWO into being.


It's on the back of your dollar bill brother. It's also been said many times by Bush Sr., and the term "New World Order" has been officially documented being used by many others with sinister intentions as well. Even in a court of law! Crazy as it seems, it's true.

But no need to take my word for it. I can't see how almost all "good natured" people won't come to this conclusion eventually as it starts to unfold in front of their faces.

[Galbally]

TruthBringer;522277 wrote: The only way in which a Human being can make some approach to knowing the whole of a subject is by hearing what can be said about it by persons of every variety of opinion and studying all modes in which it can be looked at by every character of mind. No wise man ever aquired his wisdom in any mode but this.

John Stuart Mill



Those who do not know their opponents arguments do not completely understand their own.


Oh I know what the arguments are, I just never realized how many people give them creedence, its quite surprising. Well, we live in a paranoid world I guess. Its my belief that the world has never been, or ever will be "controlled" in some way, its just peoples instinctive need to believe that there is some sort of reason why things happen, there isn't one, the world is just chaotic and nasty, and people are credululous, superstitious, and motivated by fear mostly in my opinon.

[Accountable]

I only want to control my little part, and I get really frustrated when some putz 2000 miles away starts imposing on it.

[TruthBringer]

Ok ok, I can see where you guys are coming from.

I guess by "Control the World", what I really mean is that there are many people out there, and have been many people out there, with a vision on how they believe the World should be.

Now, many people, including myself, have a vision of how the World should be. And that's fine and dandy, as long as I keep that vision to myself.

Unfortunately for us, there are also the other kinds of people, who have visions of how they think the World should be, who aren't satisfied with keeping that thought to themselves.

Hitler was one of them. Napolean. Constantine. The British Monarchy both of the past and especially in our current day are this way. George Bush Sr., George Bush Jr., Prescott Bush, the Rockefeller family, David, Nelson, John D., the whole bunch of um.

Now, even if only those people had kept their visions to themselves, then we would be ok. Unfortunately again, this IS NOT the case.

In fact, they took it a step further. They started 3 organizations which contain only people who view the World in their same way. And if they don't, then they are booted from their organization, or worse (you can figure out what I mean by worse).

So, even then, it would be ok if these organizations along with their members kept to themselves. Again, this is not the case.

Instead of keeping to themselves and not trying to oppose their agenda on our country and the World, they decided that it was absolutely necessary for the World to be the way they want it. So, what did they do? They have infected our Government, and other nations Governments as well.

The need for extreme power begets the need for more power. This has proven true in all cases I have seen it.

It will never be enough for these people, and even if they have conquered our nation under their New World Order (yes you can argue that our nation could never be conquered under an idea), but to them, even if they reach all of their current goals of mass control and subsurvience, they will still, want to take it to another level.

So what we have is a severe problem. Because while we still go to the polling boxes and cast our votes for who we believe is a worthy candidate, they see to it that our votes don't count.

Until the rest of the World, and the United States, decides that enough is enough, and begins to remove these people from their official positions of "power", we will gradually become less and less effective at finding a level of "peace" within our system of society. And this IS how they want it.

It's not about peace and happiness for them. Nope. That doesn't fit the bill. It's about power, control, dominance, and greed. And thats not going to change for them.

So what are WE going to do about it?

If we do nothing. We get more of the same. But mark my words it will only get worse.

If we do something about it, we have a chance to stop it. And I don't know about you, but I'd trade everything I have for a chance to make things better for each and every one of us who favor a World of peace, freedom, and love, over a World of riches, greed, and power.

[TruthBringer]

Diuretic;531328 wrote: Dick Cheney told Wolf Blitzer, "they can't stop us", and he wasn't whistling "Dixie".

If you think that governments, elected by we the people, are in control then I have some very bad news for you. Still, I'm heartened that someone is asking questions.

I can't remember who it was (Bonaparte?) who once said about the British that they had no imagination for revolution. I'm not slagging off my birth country please note, just something I recall reading years ago about the 1926(?) general strike) but any idea of revolution these days is just wishful thinking.

Yes I have a vision of the world but it won't happen in my lifetime, but no matter, I'll do the little I can to move it in that direction.


Amen Diuretic.

As if I could keep my vision of a Peacefull Earth to myself anyways. lol.

I guess I have the same problem as those who wish for the opposite.